Im curious... is the Brotherhood of Steel supposed to be right left wing?
They're a paramilitary pseudo-religious order of overzealous isolationist technophobes, so they would appear right wing.
At the same time, however, Paladin Danse and others have commented on the dangers of mega companies like Arc Jet. This would indicate liberalism, and the D.C. Brotherhood was far more about protecting the innocent and restoring the wasteland, which would indicate liberalism again as they worked with Project Purity to provide free clean water, a socialist idea.
What do you think?
>>73341394
>project purity
that's just them helping out humanity, not necessarily a left wing ideal.
I'd say they do seem pretty authoritarian though, regardless of being right or left.. if that helps at all.
>>73341394
Plus the fact they are tech grabbers pushes them left. Guess they are a glorified bandit faction.
>>73341531
Helping humanity is a left wing trait. You don't hear Drumpf talking about providing for the people.
>>73341394
They're the Nazi kind of left wing.
>>73341394
brotherhood under lyons was a bunch of techno-hippies
brotherhood under based maxson is techno-fascist
>>73341394
>protecting the wasteland and innocent people is liberalism
If your an autist that mistakes sociopaths for conservative ideas, and constant Goverment interference in social problems as the only path forward and Liberal alternative.
Also, Facism is anti-corporation.
>>73341829
>obvious shill that hasn't listened to any of Trumps speeches or debates.
the left does not have a monopoly on altruism faggot.
>>73341829
>drumpf
opinion discarded
They are textbook fascists.
They are authoritarian. They are right-wing on social issues, but left-wing on most others. For example, you said they are against big corporations. Many fascist regimes were as well, but they weren't against businesses in general like commies. The fascist solution to this is to nationalize large corporations while leaving smaller ones alone, which is what the Brotherhood advocates for (this is why they always try to put everything of importance under their direct control).
Honestly, I think Bethesda is pretty redpilled in this manner. They try portraying fascists as something other than just an evil boogeyman who hates freedom and wants to kill everyone. The Brotherhood has its faults, like all fascist dictatorships, but at their core they're trying to benefit their people in the best way they see fit.
>>73341833
Nazi's were right wing. Every school child learns this.
>>73341829
He's wants to provide jobs for the people. But rather then stick a gun to somebody's head and force them, he wants to provide the opportunity to seek out what's there.
Who here /suicidalgaynigger/ AKA /minutemen/?
>>73341833
The best kind.
>>73341967
i think Bethesda just accidentally made them fascist by trying to give them a realistic outlook on the wasteland.
>>73341991
Who teaches these school children, anon?
Who taught you?
What's the second word of national socialism again?
>>73341394
I went with Institute.
BoS looks like a "look at me I use man-tools" hipster. At least robots don't make you cringe and they kill the Bernie-Road.
>>73341394
MAGA
>>73342026
He also wants to build a huge expensive Wall with his name on it and Alienate our trade partners.
>>73341394
>BoS
>Institute
>Railroad
pick one. I chose the institute
>>73341991
school children also learn that some epileptic slave women in the 1860s that suffered from brain damage had super ninja skills and deserves to be on the $20 bill.
>>73342031
Me
I liked how they used spy techniques
>sellout 4
>>73342182
Glory to the Enclave
>>73342212
No Minutemen?
Or are they the "I am indecisive" faction?
>>73342165
>they kill the Bernie-Road.
so does the brotherhood.
also, synths are an abomination and should be gassed.
>>73342212
I would've joined the Enclave if it were an option
>>73341394
They good boys they dindu nuthin. But yeah they are paternalist, fascists with a very heavy dose of crusader state influence but they are pretty blunt about it and aren't trying to claim they are something the are not so they should get points for being honest. brotherhood outcasts all the way
>>73342184
They won't do anything about it, so we must take it into our own hands to protect ourselves.
>>73341394
Which Brotherhood? Fallout 1 era one? Fallout 2 one? Midwest Brotherhood? Washington Chapter? Vegas Chapter?
>>73342412
Judging by OP's choice of examples, I'm guessing newest.. the Washington ones / also the ones that decide to go to Boston
The BoS are modern america. They have the superior weapons. So they "must" protect everybody. Even if people don't want to protect them. Also for said protection you have to give them something. You force farmers to give you food for example.
There is something about this game that makes it impossible for me to finish it. Have it since launch and i have to force myself through it
>>73342233
I really dig the whole anarcho-capitalist thing they got going on. They pretty much operate like a mafia. Just pay your dues and we give you protection, other than that do whatever the fuck you want.
>>73342184
>alienate
0) The wall will cost 10 billion
1) mexico gets 25B per year in garnished remittances from money sent from US Mexicans back home. This is more revenue per year than they get from oil
2) most is sent via western union
3) up until the 90s, USA blocked western union xfers to cuba. Politically no problem; everyone still remembers how to do it.
4) Mexico will do anything we want that costs them less than $25B per year
Mexico has already alienated themselves by being corrupt, exploitive, socialists, who'd rather suck money out of America through loop holes, then make an honest deal.
>>73342527
It was a pretty underwhelming game
>>73342338
theyre a faction that stays withyou no matter what option you chose
>>73342393
This. They're the only faction that actually attempted to create new technologies instead of just scavenging pre war shit and they were trying to actually cleanse the nation of anything tainted by radiation and otherwise unnatural.
>>73342658
What is the followers of the apocalypse
Brotherhood of Steel aren't really political. They are just technoluddites who want a monopoly on pre-war tech while preventing the plebs from developing anything new because it'll end the world if anyone other than them can fling nuclear weapons around to put the plebs back in line.
>>73341394
Right wing. The capitol branch started going against the codex. Hence the brotherhood outcasts, who believed in following the codex.
>>73341394
This is a viral marketing thread being posted by paid shills
Reported
>>73342809
the followers are going to be able to put down a pack of muties?
>>73341829
>helping humanity is a left wing trait
Yes, just look at all the help the Eastern European regimes provided when people wanted to escape to the horrible west.
>>73342920
You're wrong.
What a coincidence. I just finished the brotherhood questline last night with a blonde blue eyed nationalists female run. No chems degeneracy all ghouls and synths must be treated like shit and or die. Danse was the only exception. The noble synth if you will. Outfit is BOS black outfit, BOS combat armor over the suit. Military cap. Wendey the welder hair.
>>73343038
no one would waste their time disgusting this shit game
>>73342658
They should have been option, but here is hoping it'll happen in DLC or another game.
>>73342182
Underrated. Long live the enclave.
>>73341394
Lets hope they add a DLC that creates an alternate history where the enclave beat the brotherhood in fallout 3.
>>73342809
The Followers are essentially wasteland equivalent to hippies and SJWs. They want everyone to sit in a circle together and hold hands, thing is, Super Mutants and Raiders don't give a fuck about that shit.
>>73343078
i waste my time on this disgusting game because i wasted my money on it :^)
>>73341394
helping people isn't liberal bullshit
>>73343068
lol Buzz Lightyear turns out to be a synth? Explains his rigidity.
>>73343173
i'm sorry
>>73343078
Thousands have, get over yourself you hipster. It's not perfect, but just because it's mainstream doesn't make it total shit.
>>73343234
i also got the ending spoilered before playing it kek
>>73343148
they really do need to
>>73342572
0) it's going to cost more than 20 billion to make at at least 10 billion to keep repaired every year.
1) Mexico isn't the only country in the world that is a trade partner and hate's Trump.
3) Mexico shipped US$380.8 billion worth of products around the globe. $309.2 billion is to the US.
You are willing to get rid of 309 billion worth of trade because you don't like Mexican people. It's a pretty dumb political stance. How will he deal with a group like ISIS? Can't build a wall around the world.
>>73341394
Every fallout 4 faction is left wing. They're all bad options
>>73341829
Faggot
>>73343250
excuse me, that's not a chat wheel reply
>>73342658
Who is father/elder Elijah
>>73342920
> Not knowing it's against the rules to tell someone you're reporting them
>>73341829
>Helping humanity is a left wing trait
you misspelled "enslaving"
>>73343148
That would be badass
>>73343459
>implying that they will ever truly reclaim the American wasteland
>implying they will actually return it it's past glory
>Father and Elijah are literal techno-niggers
The Enclave or Caesar's Legion are the only viable options
Is Fallout 3 worth playing? I played like three hours and got bored a few years ago and never went back. I loved S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and I've played the Elder Scrolls games
>>73343846
just play new vegas
>>73343459
You know he's dead right? That is who Maxon replaced.
>>73343459
Elijah was a black sheep of the Brotherhood and his fascination with improving and making new technology instead of just hoarding it is a major reason why he was ousted. Even then, he didn't want to clean the wasteland of it's taint, merely control it in its current state.
>>73342104
This is likely.
The only totally leftist faction is the railroad. Single-issue social justice warriors who brainwash synths and turn them into raiders, because creating cannibalistic machete rape gangs is more humane than poor synthetic beings having to do mundane labor in the completely safe environment of the institute.
>>73343803
The Legion disgusted me on a personal level. Ceaser may have had the right idea but his methods made me hate him. I'm against degeneracy as much as the next /pol/ack but I don't advocate pointless slaughter and enslavement
Nice Politics
>>73342104
>i think Bethesda just accidentally made them fascist by trying to give them a realistic outlook on the wasteland.
It's a lot like the Thalmor. Their emphasis on culture, racial purity, transcendent ideals, and dismantling the multicultural empire made them seem like fascists to a lot of people.
>>73343991
All the factions in Fallout 4 are dead ends
>>73344167
muh feels over reals
>>73343892
>>73343846
This. Get some mods to improve the gameplay, but it's the only recent Fallout that is actually written well- and like Fallout.
>>73344198
The Thalmor are boogeyman facists though
Literally no reason to like them
>>73343938
What is dead money
>>73343803
Ceasers legion or the enclave! FUCKING HILARIOUS! enclave is already dead. Entirely. All major bases were destroyed by NCR and the brotherhood. Then all members were hunted down and killed by the NCR and brotherhood. The only ones that remained after fallout three is the remnants in New Vegas and Gannon. Gannon disallied himself from the enclave and the remnants are going to die very soon. Ceasers legion is a fucking joke. There will be either one of two things. A power struggle that results in it breaking apart in a civil war, or a revolution, considering that they are as self sufficient as the white talks in honest hearts.
They're anti-technology zealots famous for using power-armor and airships with a philosophy made up for a video game. I wouldn't read too deeply into it.
Also hitler was a National Socialist, someone can hold right wing and left wing points of view simultaneously. The right-left spectrum is kind of bullshit really.
>>73344198
>he unironically defends the people who want to destroy the entire universe
Spotted the retard.
>>73344167
But they were extremely effective in his methods, while the NCR was a complete mess
>>73341394
>everything must be left wing or right wing
fuck off idiot.
>>73344198
The Thalmor literally want to end mortal existence though.
>>73344198
The Thalmor literally did nothing wrong, but since you can't be one of them in the game there's no way you can't hate them.
>>73343389
>The theif who mostly sells their shit to you for a living, is gonna stop once you tell them to stop pickpocketing you
Mexico needs the USA more then the USA needs Mexico. And if the wall is even only 50% effective, it'll pay for itself in less then two years.
You seem to be under the delusion that its the USA's altruism that keeps people trading with them...
>>73342527
The amount of sales relative to the playtime it sees on steam relative to skyrim released long before it is pretty telling.
>>73344444
Nice quintes.
>>73344444
You stole my get you fucking quadruple nigger
>>73343644
underrated post
>>73342104
>accidently
They're subtle in political outlooks but they know what they're doing. At the same rate, they let the player choose.
I chose Railroad, because I'm actually black, and I chose the Imperials because I hate DONALD DRUMPF
>>73344209
>Elijah
>Fallout 4
Elijah is from New Vegas, primarily the DLC Dead Money.
As far as factions in Fallout 4 go. I chose the Institute because as a Parent, I could see myself abandoning principals for the sake of my child, it also helped that they had the strongest leg to stand on in my opinion in terms of ideology. Advancing technology and cleaning up the wasteland.
The Railroad was autistic, putting the rights of vat grown people over the future of mankind and the Brotherhood is a textbook case of naive dogma. Wanting to totalitarian control over the people and halting all technological progress over an immature fear.
I saw the Minutement as a pointless middler of the road faction that could really be ignored.
>>73344382
It took several factions which struggled to defeat the Enclave in the west. While the only way they could defeat them in DC is by plot armor and Liberty Prime. Plus they bases outside those areas
>>73344591
Yes man is anarchist. House is capitalist. I know those. Also, NCR barely beat an incredible minority of the brotherhood, despite incredibly overwhelming numbers. They are the equivalent of Russia. No skill, just numbers. Legion is pretty sound, but they don't treat people well enough, and there will eventually be a revolution.
>>73341394
All the factions in fallout 4 are shit, and frankly fallout 4 is shit in general.
Its pretty fucking sad when i can beat the game within 5 hours. Even more so when doing so changes nothing about the world, except for , institute, railroad, or brotherhood is ded, big whoop de shit.
Also the forced, UR SUPPBOSTED TO CARE BOUT DEM ROBOTS WHO THINK DEY IS HUMANS N SHIET morality garbage. Wears on my fucking sanity every time i pick up the game and makes we want to uninstall every time.
>>73344591
These NV faction arguments are the most contrarian bullshit ever. There is a new consensus every week, mostly because people want to be their own special snowflake and pick a unique faction.
>>73342527
I forced myself to finish it just so I could stop playing and avoid yet another bullshit "save our asses because we're so fucking helpless" Minutemen quest. I didn't even listen to the Institute's offer, I just nuked the whole thing.
I don't expect to play it again until someone mods those dumb quests out of the game.
>>73344690
If anyone is Alduin it's beyond a doubt Soros. His only goals in life are wrecking nations and impoverishing people through currency devaluation.
>>73344285
The thalmor are what people imagine the nazis were- racial supremacists who want to subjugate the entire world for no other reason than that they hate others
>>73341668
pretty sure they're actually 110% degenerate.
fucking degenerates. couldn't even spot a synth.... MSM shills.
>>73344717
The institute was the only viable option in Fallout 4.
>>73341531
This pretty much sums it up. The brotherhood is all about control. Especially with technology. Only they should have the good stuff.
>>73344690
>implying that the empire weren't the good guys
>>73344816
Oh fuck I forgot about the factions trump cards. Brotherhood has liberty prime and the enclave have that space missile launcher thing. Nothing beats Ulysses though. He controls the nukes.
>>73345024
They were a NAZI Spanish Inquisition hybrid
>>73344937
Synths aren't robots, they're artificially grown humans. All biological tissue with a few synthetic components. It's why they're able to blend in so well because otherwise it'd be really easy to detect them with current fallout technology.
>>73341394
They're extremely derivative of the Space Marines of 40k in aesthetic and doctrine. Very far-right.
>>73345268
Muh great divide
>>73345221
I didn't say they weren't, I support Hillary Clinton.
>>73341394
Why is the resolution on his shirt 10x worse than everything else
This is great. This is the most political thread I've seen on /pol/ in a long time, except for those threads about the presidential race.
>>73345312
Synths are unable to reproduce for reasons no one knows
I sided with the institute after they killed Danse.
Best ending is SS as head of the institute and commander of the minutemen, with him raising his robot son, Piper, and his wife's little sister
Right wing beyond perhaps the desire to control technology, but I believe that desire was religious in nature. BoS fervently believed that irresponsible use of technology would lead to the complete end of humanity and wished to control its use.
West coast BoS doesn't really give a shit about controlling anything but advanced technology, and beyond that they didn't fuck with anyone that didn't threaten the Brotherhood.
East Coast BoS still wanted the tech but they were willing to use it in order to help people that were not a part of the BoS. I wouldn't consider East coast BoS leftists because their attempts to better humanity were more philanthropic. They didn't really demand anything from the residents of D.C or Boston other than acceptance of their presence.
if you didn't have advanced weapons or technology they left you alone unless they needed to trade for supplies.
>>73345405
Muh marked men
Those deathclaws were fucking terrifying though. On hard I had 46 defense and those fuckers could still one hit me even with med-x.
>>73345428
Because Bethesda is catering to console plebs on antiquated technology
>>73341394
Maybe fictional post nuclear war organisations don't have modern political stances
>>73341394
>helping others is a leftist-only concept
>right wing ideology never advocates helping society or others in your community
OP sounds like a leftist/globalist shill desu
Sad thing is, a lot of right-leaning individuals have become convinced of the same things because they're so easily influenced by controlled opposition pundits and demagogues.
>>73345312
What are Mark I and Mark II if not just less blending synth
>>73341991
>Implement far left policies, make companies under the State "for the people" (for example Volkswagen)
>Policies are close to Communist policies
>But it's right wing tho!
Alright.
>>73345528
Hah you have fucking shit charisma then. You failed him.
>>73345614
Whether you had power armor or not those things were best killed with fatmans
>>73345524
The Institute probably makes them all sterile which makes sense because if they breed, their numbers and population would become uncontrollable.
>>73344690
Empires a good choice but railroad sucked massive dick, legit save synths nothing else. at least BOS and institute have plans for the future of the commonwealth
>>73342165
The Institute are virtually the Jew faction, you kike.
>inb4 "you lead the institute after SHAAUUN steps down"
All you are is a figurehead. The division heads form an oligarchy of the Institute with you as a mere heir to the throne for show. The only thing you really decide is "Hmm, research weapons or synth population?"
With "A House Divided", if you decide to violently deal with the scientists, you're chastised by a nigger in a yellow jumpsuit.
Not to mention the Institute started kidnapping people to make a shitload of fucking super mutants, which contributed absolutely nothing to the wasteland except a new "refugee" suicide bomber mutant and a companion that was outclassed after Automaton came out.
Fuck the Institute, BoS rebuilding the Commonwealth when?
>>73341394
nigga you talking about politics in a scifi universum set in a videogame?
are you fucking high on drugs or naturally stupid?
>>73344717
>clean up wasteland
>nuke it
Kek, brother hood clean up the wasteland by killing muties and degnerate synths
>>73345820
Nah man. Anti material rifle, stealth boy, explosive rounds, psycho. Save the mini nukes for Ulysses. It took three to take him down after I took care of the medicaleye-bot.
>>73345866
The thing with the Mark III Synths, and they explain it, is that they are basically completely human except they have a mechanical brainstem
Whether or not you believe that this is a good reason to save them, I felt it was morally correct. Especially when all of them had the conscious thought of being free.
>>73345865
The institute should make some fertile, to bolster the amount of capable scientists, technicians, and possible commanders if they really want to improve humanity
>>73345698
The Railroad only assists Gen 3s since they actually have biological tissue and can be considered, in a very liberal fashion, "human".
Gen 1s and 2s were experiments and more of a stepping stone towards the Gen 3s. They're unable to blend in because of their primitive cognitive systems heavily mechanical base
>>73346061
yeah fair enough, but given you can only choose one i went for the group that had bigger goals/plans in mind in the aftermath of the main questline
>>73345820
And I had the best armor in the game along with all boosts I could get from the base game and the other dlc. Remnant power armor all the way
I don't think you can really apply our often useless political descriptions to post-nuclear apocalypse but here goes:
BoS/Enclave/Caesar's Legion are all essentially fascistic with more commonalities than differences in terms of their general outlook and worldview. Militaristic, internal unity against external threats, xenophobic towards non-members/non-humans. Caesar's Legion is unsustainable because it relies on a personality cult more than anything, the Enclave is limited by it's small numbers and limited resources. BoS is sort of a mixed bag depending on the game and region, but it has a creed and an ability to sustain itself over long periods that the other two lack.
Minutemen/NCR are most similar to the founding ideology of the United States and are the most self-consciously American. I view the Minutemen as being proto-NCR and the NCR being to the old American republic as the American republic was to the ancient Roman republic: conscious imitations of the preceding states.
New Vegas under House is most similar to commercial city-states of the past or contemporary Dubai and Singapore. Mostly concerned with making money and maintaining stability, not overtly authoritarian and intrusive so long as you keep your head down.
The Railroad is SJW as well as several of the hippie groups that you'll find in the games.
>>73346204
The gun that looked like a BAR was my favorite
>>73345996
>What is the GECK
The Brotherhood may want to cleanse but they also hoard technology and do nothing with it and want to inhibit it's growth out of the childlike fear that there would be another nuclear war.
>>73346171
What about Nick? I'd say his only down fall was how he needed someone else's personality before he could make his own.
>>73346366
The light machine gun.
>>73346357
The Enclave was one of the few factions that could manufacture along with R&D new technology the only others would be House and the institute
>>73346409
Nick is a prototype for Gen III
>>73346409
Nick was part of that stepping stone towards Gen 3s. That's why he still has that bland base form but an actual personality.
ITT we post factions that did absolutely nothing wrong.
>>73346557
I think it was in Dead money
>>73346674
Fun fact enclave is literally America.
>>73346674
https://youtu.be/8RIfDYdzNIk?t=152
>>73346714
The assault rifle used the exact same model as the light machine gun
>>73346753
Yep.
Like I said, still has done nothing wrong.
>>73346714
Nah I had the lmg but didn't have dead money. The only one I don't have at that. I searched up an image of the BAR, the lmg looked exactly like it. If you want I can go turn new Vegas on and take a pic for you to compare
>>73341668
I disagree. They hoard technology, mostly weapons, and they're not afraid to use them. Their obsession with firepower and having a leg up on their enemies and demonizing them suggests the right
>mfw I blasted their shitty zeppelin out of the sky
>>73346831
The lmg was more bulky
>>73346892
Found it, its called the automatic rifle
>>73346780
A strawman clip, meant to paint the enclave as evil. If those people had been untouched by radiation or could have been saved from being mutated later, there would have been no need to kill them.
The enclave are the only true humans in the wasteland.
>>73347160
>they did nothing wrong
MAGA
>>73346780
They didn't follow rule #1, line up in an orderly fashion! What else could they have done.
>>73342212
The Institute every fucking time, the Railroad was all about what I hate about liberals. Vague notions about how things should be and people be treated but absolutely no solutions. They wouldn't have solved shit while the Institute would've built a new world.
Other than that I've never been more dissapointed by a game ending than FO4.
>>73347126
Here is the lmg
They're a military junta
>>73346558
Technological superiority is no guarantee of military victory and quantity has a quality all its own. It's hard to accurately get numbers on this sort of thing but they probably had only had a few hundred/thousand soldiers at any given times. The Fallout universe is generally bad at conveying scale but the NCR probably has multiple divisions by F:NV and Caesar's Legion is at least in the 10-30,000 range, probably more throughout the empire.
>>73347485
The settlement system was complete bullshit
>>73341394
Right now, I consider them left wing. They seek to control technology for the 'common good'. For whatever reason, only they think they are capable of doing so. They fight with anyone who does not submit to their demands. It gives them a kind of elitist vibe, They are BY FAR more comparable to Stalinists than modern leftists.
Compare this with the institute, who seek to eventually save humanity with the technology they create, rather than destroy it.
>>73347606
Hence why the factions of the west had to fight them off togther
>>73341833
This, desu.
>>73347606
The NCR has hundreds of thousands of troops. All their technology was retrieved from their fights with the enclave and the brotherhood
>>73345614
>that one part where you go in the camper on the overpass and a deathclaw spawns right outside
>>73341394
The Brotherhood of Steel are definitely authoritarian. Whether they're more economically right or left is debatable, though. On the one hand, their soldiers need to buy their own weapons and ammunition (which is so capitalist it'd make Rothbard take a second glance), but on the other hand they do seem to favour wealth redistribution and have a lot of nasty rhetoric for pre-war corporations. I'd say they're right-wing authoritarians, but of the more charitable sort.
>>73347855
I went inside of it and the fucker glitched through the wall. Thank Bethesda for turbo.
>he didnt join the brotherhood solely for the power armor and firepower not to mention A FUCKING FLYING FORTRESS
fuck my son, hes a nigger anyway.
>>73347631
I would have liked the Settlement system more if the building was left to the NPCs with only the investment of caps or base resources from the player. I certainly didn't want to waste hours building a settlement to satisfy autistic vanity.
They're right wing, but the East BOS are more egalitarian than the more isolationist and unsympathetic west BOS.
They can't be left wing because they don't believe the masses should own technology, they're against redistribution and believe only a selected few should manage technology.
Western BOS are also more extreme and they think the average wastelander is a degenerate. So. Generally speaking they're on the right.
>>73342031
The minutemen are definately minarchist/libertarian. Maybe even Anarcho-capitalist.
>>73348139
all my settlements have are basic necessities
>>73348086
Making soldiers buy their own gear is entirely a gameplay thing. It's so players didn't have easy and unlimited access to decent equipment and ammunition. It's the same reason the laser weapons have recoil even though they scientifically shouldn't
>>73348139
>I certainly didn't want to waste hours building a settlement to satisfy autistic vanity.
With the success of Minecraft, that what any form of building in games have become these days.
>>73348086
>their soldiers need to buy their own weapons and ammunition (which is so capitalist it'd make Rothbard take a second glance)
Give me a second, my sides can't take this much.
>>73341394
>technophobe
They walk around in power armor and shoot lasers. Luddites aren't survivalists
>>73346371
look up why they horde technology bro
>>73348585
They're retarded that's only reason
>>73348499
>They walk around in power armor and shoot lasers. Luddites aren't survivalists
They are technophobic. They hate any new technology that they don't personally control and own.
>>73347675
Left-wing and right-wing are pretty bad descriptions of political reality, but insofar as they exist I disagree completely.
Left-wing values and ideals typically focus on identifying with the most marginalized groups in any given society and generally seek to "level" the social order/hierarchy and it's why they always bitch about "inequality". The ostensible goal of most leftist movements is reducing inequities within a society, at times descending into a desire to purge the privileged/exploitive/parasitic classes of their society more than attacking other societies. Workers of the world, unite, and all that.
I also would make a distinction between The Left and l-liberalism that's present in most Western societies today. They have a similar heritage and certain shared world views, but both have a mutual loathing of each other.
Elitism can be either right-wing or left-wing because you're either ruled by aristocrats and the heredity military elite (most traditional societies), the wealthiest (capitalistic societies), or the intelligentsia/students/useful idiots (most communist and socialist societies). Most governments and elites are distrustful of the common people, often with good reason, and are loathe to give them power for their own sake.
Fascism is generally seen as synthesizing elements from the socialistic/communist left and the militaristic/nationalist right, which is why they usually presented themselves as the "Third Way" between what they saw as the degenerate liberal democracies and the Bolshevik hordes. When it comes down to it I'd put the fascists more on the right than on the left for their acceptance of some degree of social stratification, perception of war and violence as intrinsically good in it's own right, and hatred/distrust of The Other and outsiders.
>>73348307
>Making soldiers buy their own gear is entirely a gameplay thing.
Yes, but gameplay things that are pointed out by NPCs and given in-character explanations are a part of lore. Proctor Teagan tells you, after you ask him about it on your first encounter, that all of the other soldiers do indeed need to purchase their own weapons and ammunition. And because it's a part of the lore, it's also a canonical part of the Brotherhood of Steel's theoretical political alignment.
>>73348725
You are so fucking autistic. It's so that dumbasses like you or raiders don't cause another apocalypse. This is further supported in the lonesome road dlc for new Vegas as at the end if you disable the nukes from destroying anything and stop a second mini apocalypse, you gain fame with the brotherhood.
>>73348887
The issue is that they don't fix shit and just horde when ever they can, and expect things will become better
>>73344937
There is no need to be upset.
>>73349217
Wow you know literally nothing about the brotherhood. I'll just use the easiest example of brotherhood helping people. They helped destroy a faction that wanted to destroy literally every single living thing except themselves.
Everyone shit on the F3 Brotherhood for being pansies so Bethesda made them more like the original Brotherhood
>>73344198
The Thalmor are kikes
They're not dismantling the Empire, they're taking it over.
>>73349425
Master's super mutant army, yeah everyone would've done that too
>>73348791
>Left-wing values and ideals typically focus on identifying with the most marginalized groups in any given society and generally seek to "level" the social order/hierarchy and it's why they always bitch about "inequality". The ostensible goal of most leftist movements is reducing inequities within a society, at times descending into a desire to purge the privileged/exploitive/parasitic classes of their society more than attacking other societies. Workers of the world, unite, and all that.
Right. That's why I categorize them as Stalinists. What you are speaking of is the unrealistic ideal of all leftists. They talk of helping humanity and the wasteland, but in the end, what matters is their control of it and it's technology.
>>73349819
>The Thalmor are kikes
The Thalmor make their beliefs in their supremacy known damn near every chance you talk to one. They are not like Jews pretending to be against such ideals to subvert their enemies.
>>73350283
The Brotherhood of Steel was formed by and is structured like the pre-war US military, and militaries are famously hierarchical and anti-egalitarian. BoS has never made or mentioned egalitarianism and equality as organizing principles, which is why they aren't left-wing (the Stalinists were left-wing and at least in their propaganda were very much in favor of creating a classless, egalitarian society). Now I'm more cynical and I think behind every left-wing movement, often quite earnest, is usually some sort of intellectual elite that genuinely believes in equality and all that jazz, but believes that they're *just a little more enlightened* and *just a little more equal* than the rest of the masses and should thus be in charge.
Right-wingers aren't incapable of altruism and self-sacrifice, or unattainable ideals, for that matter. The right tends to value strength-for-the-sake-of-strength and the "natural order" of societal hierarchies, which is why I'd classify BoS and fascism as being right-wing. Most of the BoS could not give two shits about the wasteland, and would much rather hoarde technology in peace and isolation
>>73349927
No the fucking enclave
>>73345935
200 years and all they made is super aids and sex robots , they all need to be gassed.
>>73341829
>6 replies
>6 people actually took this b8
>>73341394
Your comprehension is shit, and you sound like a shit-brained leftist who doesn't understand right-wing politics.
First of all: The BOS aren't in anyway politicians who can be placed somewhere on the right-left compass.
Secondly: The BOS aren't ''technophobes'' either. They see technology as a potential danger if its put in the wrong hands. So they attempt to restrict its use to a few select individuals (themselves)
If anything, they're pragmatists. They see themselves as investors in the well-being of humanity and hold the continued survival of the human species above all else. If that requires them to kill a shit-ton of people, or give everyone free electricity and water... Well that's what they attempt to do.
>>73341833
>Still trying to place the NATSOC's in a right-left context
Drop the autistic poop-flinging already. They were above the right-left dichotomy. The ideology of the third reich shouldn't be considered an ideology based on left, or right wing principles. But rather an ideology based on the natural laws and certain Darwinistic principles. It was the result of the dire conditions of Europe during the start of the 20th century, and the post WW1 mess. Not some political rulebook.
>>73341829
I have a hard time telling if you are baiting, or if you are actually that fucking dumb.
>>73341967
This.
>>73342104
You're on to something. Fascism is born as a result of harsh conditions. That's why the Nazis were voted into power during the most fucked economic period of the 20th century.
Fascism is not so much something written down in a book or manifest, as it is something that arises due to the needs of the nation and people.
>>73348775
But that's wrong, you fucktard.
>>73351141
Meh, I respectfully disagree. Even left wing states have some kind of Army. I think the Enclave (or even the pre-war U.S. more resembles a fascist state.
>>73341394
ENCLAVE FOREVER
This video Gives me autism, but I'm posting it because it's relevant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEuvwv5uSkA
>>73351579
The Enclave were the good guys you fucking sperglord
>>73352566
Hilarious. Portrayed as the villain in each game. Wanted to kill everything that wasn't them, and tried multiple times. Murder absolutely everything.their only redeeming factor is that they are America, but so is the brotherhood.
>>73352783
The Brotherhood isn't America, they're traitors; They've done nothing to restore order to the wastes
>>73353028
Besides save it from total destruction. Abd we can't really say anything about the brotherhood. As far as I have looked, I haven't been able to come up with a total copy of their codex. Unless we know all about them, which is what the codex would reveal, we can't make an accurate assumption of their political stance.
>>73341394
they were a poorly written bethesda abomination
they should have been a techno-feudal state with Sarah Lyons as the monarch
brotherhood in fo4 should have been the outcasts from 3
>>73342527
because it's a shit game
if you want good fallout just replay the old ones or new vegas
>>73348775
They don't hate technology, they confiscate and hoard it to prevent retard wastelanders form destroying it because tech is harder to replace than people.
videogmes are for manchildern
Minutemen
Sons of Atom are underrated
>>73349425
They destroy threats to themselves, i.e those with a higher level of technology. The Enclave was the faction with the highest level of technology ergo the BoS views them as a threat. They don't just go around helping anyone unless you count FO3/Tactics BoS, the former being intentionally altruistic and the latter not being story canon.
>>73341394
To bad we can join the Mid-west brotherhood of Steel, only good faction left in the fallout verse.
Fallout 4 really fucked over the DC brotherhood.
Elder lyons in FO3 was trying to make the capital wasteland a secure location so that the brotherhood and the people who lived there could grow and prosper. He wanted to train the people of the wasteland and add them to the ranks of the brotherhood so that they could be a standing army that protects everyone. He didn't want to be like the West coast Brotherhood and eventually get their asses handed to them to a bunch of settlements that group together and get tired of a group of assholes who go around and hoard tech.
Current DC brotherhood is fucking retarded. "Hey let go around and piss everyone off, remember how that worked for the west coast?"
>>73341394
There not really politically right or left. But they are authoritarian and very nationalist.
>>73354432
Then why don't they attack Caesar's legion? They have access to power weapons, are well organised and have an attack plan, have been able to conquer many other tribes before, and what about the boomers? They have bomber planes and artillery
I've decided to go with bos. they are the true ayrian race
>>73341394
Paladin Danse, like OP, is a faggot
>>73341829
Go fuck yourself and die of a bowel rupture
