Was Britain declaring war on Germany in WW2 the biggest strategical blunder in the history of the human race?
(Hitler wanted Britain to be allies)
>>73328773
Indeed.
At least hundreds and thousands of us fought for the Nazis, at least I feel that some of us did respect Hitler.
No, Germany was a rogue state. It was just to wage war against it.
>>73328773
How is Norway when it comes to rapefugees?
>>73328773
No. Germany becoming a nazi state and declaring war on European nations was biggest strategical blunder in the history of the human race.
>>73329141
The war had NOTHING to do with Germany being "nazi" (national socialists), and they didn't declare war on European nations. They invaded Poland for legitimate reasons - that's all (Austria wanted to be united with Germany - some still do even today).
>>73328773
No, we need to declare war on Germany again
>>73329362
>They invaded Poland for legitimate reasons
Reasons like?
>oh look germany and poland are gonna goto war
>hey there polack wanna sign this treaty of mutual protection? just "in case" germany reacts to your partisan attacks in the near future???
>kek, the poles got steam rolled
>whats that the soviets are attacking your eastern border? oh well, never forget those "secret protocols" (that suddenly appeared after ww2 was over). b-bye comrades!
>>73328924
Kile detected.
>>73329362
>invaded an another country
>legimiates reasons
nazi lovers ladies and gentlemen
Yes. Allying with the communists against the germans was a retarded move. They ended up losing their colonies and more. Then the americans repeat their mistakes by allying with the talibans, going against Gadaffi, Assad. Everything that is bad for europe, the anglos support it.
>>73329141
Every war Germany started was just
Every war Germany started was either:
Reconquering recently taken land
or
Defending ethnic Germans abroad
>>73329556
Like Poland wanting Danzig for themselves, even if 90% of the people living there were German?
Like murdering and harassing Germans living in Poland?
Like denying any offer from Hitler for a solution?
Germany dindu nuffin they was guten germanics
>>73329942
Like being tricked by Britain into a war Britain wanted (to prevent a powerful Germany).
>>73329690
whoa there look everyone its france. who suddenly dusted off a 20 year old alliance with poland and claimed it was a legitimate reason to declare war on germany after the invasion of poland. sure was great we setup that league of nations bullshit so that wars wouldn't be declared and spread all over the world.
>>73329690
Are you suggesting there is no reason to invade another country?
>>73329671
Kike*
>>73328773
>(Hitler wanted Britain to be allies)
and we saw how he treated his allies
GOTT STRAFE ENGLAND
>>73328773
Europa ville være et mye bedre sted , men nå er det bare lukter en gammel fjert.
>>73329671
>joos!
Get laid.
>>73329942
>Like Poland wanting Danzig for themselves, even if 90% of the people living there were German?
So? It's their territory. That makes Germany sound like a petulant child.
>Like murdering and harassing Germans living in Poland?
You mean like the Germans were doing to minorities in their country? Only that actually was happening.
>Like denying any offer from Hitler for a solution?
Why would you negotiate with someone who is a proven liar?
>>73328773
>Was Britain declaring war on Germany in WW2 the biggest strategical blunder in the history of the human race?
Germany started the war, also GB declared to be in a state of war acknowledging international law which Hitler failed to do
"In the communication which I had the honour to make to you on 1st September I informed you, on the instructions of His Majesty's Principal Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, that, unless the German Government were prepared to give His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom satisfactory assurances that the German Government had suspended all aggressive action against Poland and were prepared promptly to withdraw their forces from Polish territory, His Majesty's Government in the United Kingdom would, without hesitation, fulfil their obligations to Poland.
"Although this communication was made more than twenty-four hours ago, no reply has been received but German attacks upon Poland have been continued and intensified. I have accordingly the honour to inform you that, unless not later than 11 a. m., British Summer Time, to-day 3rd September, satisfactory assurances to the above effect have been given by the German Government and have reached His Majesty's Government in London, a state of war will exist between the two countries as from that hour."
If the assurance referred to in the above communication is received, you should inform me by any means at your disposal before 11 a. m. to-day, 3rd September. If no such assurance is received here by 11 a. m. , we shall inform the German representative that a state of war exists as from that hour.
http://ibiblio.org/pha/bb/bb-230.html#118
>(Hitler wanted Britain to be allies)
then why did he break the Anglo-German Naval Agreement?
>Hitler wants peace after occupies the danzig corridor
>winston churchill being the anti white warmonger wants to keep fighting at the cost of millions of white people just so Germany won't get in the way of muh monopoly
>become American debt slave and lose all colonies anyway
>fight alongside commies just for 50 year cold war afterwards
>anglos
>>73330937
Self hating Germans are scum, I'm glad your country is gettting destroyed. Serve you eurocucks well
>>73330701
>So? It's their territory. That makes Germany sound like a petulant child.
Hmmm.... would you feel like that if eg. Florida and Texas was GIVEN to Mexico just 21 years ago - in 1995? (It was stolen from the US and given to Mexico by foreign powers).
>You mean like the Germans were doing to minorities in their country? Only that actually was happening.
No it wasn't happening really. Enemies of the state was gathered in camps (like Japanese were being in the US).
>Why would you negotiate with someone who is a proven liar?
How was he a proven liar?
>>73331162
>Self hating Germans are scum, I'm glad your country is gettting destroyed. Serve you eurocucks well
Who asked you anything Narco? And indeed, those who do not fight for what is theirs are doomed to perish.
>>73330701
perhaps then the USA should give back all of texas south and west of the nueces river as that is what was their territory before the mexican american war.
germans were being brutalised by the poles and it is well documented. the germans had removed the threat against the undesirables already by locking them up in concentration camps.
where exactly did hitler lie? he was about as straight a shooter as any politician can be.
>>73328773
Just
When will you people understand that the british guarantees deterred Germany
It was only in April when Germany sent its delegation to the Soviet Union
If the Soviets didn't ally Hitler, there would be no war, because Germany was actually afraid of Britain initially
Poland, Britain, and France all had a pact. If either of them were attacked, the other two would also have to join in the fight to help their ally.
Germany invaded Poland. This is what initiated WW2.
To all the neo-nazis: Remember that Hitler is the one who deteriorated Europe. The destruction of infrastructure was rampant, millions of white men (over 50 million) lost their lives in battle, and Hitler had plans to liquidate Slavic people.
>>73331363
Soviet oil and grain made the Western campaign possible, without this and the troops that otherwise would have needed at the Eastern border German ywould not have been able to wage war in the West. In 1940 52% of all Soviet exports went o Germany.
>>73331363
and when the soviets invaded poland the pact of mutual protection actually turned into a booby trapped aimed at germany not a guarantee of protection for poland
>eternal anglo
Germany declaring war on the US was the biggest strategic blunder in the history of the human race.
>>73329690
Danzig was part of Germany given to Poland post WWI.
GTFO Ahmed.
>>73331593
America was always jewish puppets. You supported communism. You are complaining about how europe is cucked with immigration but you are the ones who forced us to accept these policies. Because it makes your jewish overlords happy. You even mutilate your baby boys to please the jews.
>>73328773
The UK is becoming an Islamic Caliphate
unless that was the goal all along , then just for that reason alone (there are a million other terrible consequences but) - yes
>>73328773
Definitely.
Germany: He Britain lets be friends, and you keep Empire.
Britain: No lol
Fast forward today...
First Muslim Mayor of London.
>>73331221
>>73331304
Poland did not possess Danzig, it was a Free State under control of the League of Nations.
If Hitler had wanted that back, he should have negotiated with the LoN.
There were no attacks on Germans, these press reports were staged by Goebbels to fuel anti-Polish sentiments and make the public ready for war.
He lied in his public speeches, he broke all treaties such as the Anticomintern Treaty with Japan, the Anglo-German Naval Agreement, the Munich Agreement, the Non Aggression Treatiws with Poland, France, Denmark etc.
>>73331593
wrong. 1 month before the invasion of poland britain and poland signed a pact of mutual protection (against germany). france and poland had no official alliance or pacts, but they used a dormant guarantee of independence of poland in order to get in on the action. it was all very unlawful and contrary to international laws setup such as the kellogg briand pact.
>hitler had plans to liquidate the slavic people
just
>>73331727
It was inevitable they would clash. The Jews needed America to join the war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HhFRGDyX48c
>>73331885
>Danzig was part of Germany given to Poland post WWI.
no it wasn't, retardinho. It was Free State with a guilders currency pegged to the British pound
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig
>>73328773
Well we are the eternal anglo after all. If you come to England, take some time to put your ear to the ground at night in a rural area. You will hear the whirring of machinery. That's mecha-Churchill's life support chamber. It's buried hundreds of feet beneath the ground.
>>73331727
>>73332103
US didn't even want to get involved, we were recovering from the Great Depression
Then the Japs decided to stick their dick in the hornet's nest
>>73331885
actually barbossa it was a 'free city' and was self administered. danzig had a referendum and wished to rejoin germany. hitler wanted poland to recognise german control of danzig and provide a land corridor to the city. after british collusion the poles refused and instigated the destruction of their government.
>>73332217
The americans embargoed japan, you can't pretend that you didn't get invovled when you clearly took a side in a conflict.
>>73332217
The US was already in the war at that point, they were sending pilots over the the RAF and escorting shipments to Britain with their Navy.
>>73332217
WW2 was the best thing that could happen to you after the depression. It was the reason you guys got out of the mess.
You were selling arms to Europe and fuelling/financing both sides of the war. It made you very rich. The UK was losing its grip on the war so, like WW1, the Jews brought you guys into the war.
Watch the video.
>>73332372
the USA didn't like the Japanese invasion of China and had no obligation to deliver strategically important material to the Japanese aggressor.
>>73332522
>deliver
it was a blockade
>>73332002
The polish attacks on germans were documented in german, Polish, British and american press that im aware of
Unless Goebbels was in in charge in all of those countries id say your argument doesnt hold up
>>73332522
Yeah, they sided with the communists. They sank trade ships going to japan, you're clearly a kike.
>>73332372
We placed the embargo on them because they did the same thing to us in Indochina in 1940
all this information is contradicting each other
every anon constantly says something else
I dont know what to think anymore
>>73332818
If that makes you feel better about supporting Stalin then sure. You go girl.
>>73328773
The Nazi regime was creating a hell on earth scenario. There was no way any reasonable person would side with them.
>>73332589
shouldn't sink US naval vessels then
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Panay_incident
And yes Japan indeed tried did embargo all supplies to China, even invaded French Indochina in 1940 for that purpose, the USA objected this because they had strong economic interests in China.
>>73332943
His country was being invaded by murderous fascists, no shit we're gonna help him out, just like we helped out England and France. Do you not get how an alliance works?
>>73332121
>It was Free State with a guilders currency pegged to the British pound
Maybe a good reason for the British to declare war on Germany just saying...
Anyway, you're German and COMPLETELY brainwashed by allied propaganda after WW2. You people actually know the least about ww2 truth.
>>73332612
>The polish attacks on germans were documented in german, Polish, British and american press that im aware of
>Unless Goebbels was in in charge in all of those countries id say your argument doesnt hold up
Goebbels made press conferences to impress the Alliied and neutral press, non-German media indeed reprinted German propaganda.
>>73333149
You supported Britain against russia during the revolutionary war. Please stop being a retard.
>>73332939
Theres a documentary called the greatest story never told
It is propaganda kinda, but everything in it is true and pr3esented fairly clearly
Its been around for a long time and people have tried and failed to debunk it
Its like 6 hours long or something, but if you watch it bit by bit youll understand a lot more by the end of it
and everything in it is true, feel free to research anything you dont trust yourself- its all above board
>>73333190
>Maybe a good reason for the British to declare war on Germany just saying...
why is that?
>Anyway, you're German and COMPLETELY brainwashed by allied propaganda after WW2. You people actually know the least about ww2 truth.
LMAO I actually corrected your brainwash propaganda nonsense. If you would know anything, you would come forward with some facts rather than cheap rants.
>>73333197
He convinced the polish media that attacks were happening in poland?
>>73333432
>He convinced the polish media that attacks were happening in poland?
why Polish media?
>>73328773
>Was Britain declaring war on Germany in WW2 the biggest strategical blunder
Wars are fought by the bankers/mercantilists as a way of generating profits. Both sides of WWII were controlled by the same people.
Read these books for more info:
Rule by Secrecy:
https://archive.org/details/pdfy-ucQki46Eld-swOxZ
The Rise of the fourth Reich:
http://www.conspiracyschool.com/sites/default/files/resources/The-Rise-of-the-Fourth-Reich-Jim-Marrs.pdf
Protip: The Queen of England is German
>>73333288
We didn't just support Britain, we fucking invaded Russia. I know my history, Sven. Do you know the meaning of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?" There were bigger issues than communism to worry about, friendo
>>73329942
none of these is true you snownigger
>>73333416
You're one of the germans who deserved to die but didn't. It's a shame. So many innocent people died but you're still alive. Please kill yourself to rectify this mistake.
>>73331005
>Hitler wants peace after occupies the danzig corridor
nice baitu
>>73333581
>Do you know the meaning of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend?"
This is why ISIS exists. Good job burgerbro.
>>73328899
>>73328773
>these hitler bootlickers
A unified Europe was a threat to Russia, Bongs, and Ameriburgers. Therefore the powers outside of yurope (Brits I guess) did whatever the could to stop it.
>>73332217
Read and learn, faggit http://www.amazon.com/Operation-Snow-Soviet-Triggered-Harbor/dp/1596983221
>>73332979
lmao people actually believe this
bongs signed the death certificate of Europe when they started WW2.
>>73333995
Britain didn't start WW2 you silly fuckers, fuck degenerate nazi lovers seriously
>>73333708
Are you dense? Bashar Al-Assad wasn't our enemy.
>>73333416
>why is that?
Actually that was mostly BS. The main reason for Britain declaring war on Germany was simply because they felt Germany was becoming to powerful (economically). It had NOTHING to do with Germany being "Nazi".
On a somewhat sidenote Britain was probably more racists than Germany back then, and the US even more so - but today people due to propaganda believes that the "nazis" were the racist ones.... it's in-fucking-credible how good propaganda works!
>you would come forward with some facts rather than cheap rants.
Look them up yourself - but you won't because you're brain is completely ruined by propaganda since even before you were born. It's too late for you to see the truth. It's like a religion for you.
For me trying to tell you the truth would be like me trying to tell a muslim that Allah doesn't exist... an impossible task (even if I'm right).
>>73333623
>You're one of the germans who deserved to die but didn't. It's a shame. So many innocent people died but you're still alive. Please kill yourself to rectify this mistake.
it must be a sad life to be be weak and pathetic and the laughing stock of everyone...
Was Dresden also Faked?
http://mileswmathis.com/dresden.pdf
>>73334124
Yes they did.
They could have forced a diplomatic solution between Poland and Germany.
Or they could have not started WW2 by declaring war on Germany.
Only reason they did so was because they wanted to keep the empire plus control eastern europe.
In the end they lost everything, now welcoming first muslim mayor of london
>>73334124
Carroll Quigley would disagree.
>>73334398
they forced a diplomatic solution between Czechoslovakia and Germany, clearly it helped everyone
>>73334186
>Actually that was mostly BS. The main reason for Britain declaring war on Germany was simply because they felt Germany was becoming to powerful (economically). It had NOTHING to do with Germany being "Nazi".
GB didn't start the war though.
>On a somewhat sidenote Britain was probably more racists than Germany back then, and the US even more so - but today people due to propaganda believes that the "nazis" were the racist ones.... it's in-fucking-credible how good propaganda works!
Germany fucking up the whole continent killing millions of Europeans was the real issue.
>Look them up yourself - but you won't because you're brain is completely ruined by propaganda since even before you were born. It's too late for you to see the truth. It's like a religion for you.
I debunked your nonsense within a fingersnap - it is you posting propaganda BS here, not me.
>For me trying to tell you the truth would be like me trying to tell a muslim that Allah doesn't exist... an impossible task (even if I'm right).
you did not provide one singe fact, all you did is claiming and ranting.
>>73328773
No, it was getting involved in WW1
>>73334553
Who was the loser in that solution exactly?
A meme made up country who had territory it never should have had.
>>73334974
>A meme made up country who had territory it never should have had.
we wuz Alexander the Great and sheeet
>>73335050
We're irrelevant 2 million people..
"Czechoslovakia" was the original meme county that didn't really work for anyone who lived there
>>73333513
The attacks were documented in polish media as well as German, British and American
>>73328773
Getting involved in WW1 was a mistake without Britain WW1 was going to be a quick German victory and Britain would of been better off without going in unprepared like they did. We lost our empire because of WW1
>>73334553
That did help everyone
It stopped the war, at least temporarily
>>73335225
>"Czechoslovakia" was the original meme county that didn't really work for anyone who lived there
it was similar to Switzerland, Germans were well represented and many Sudetendeutsche
fought in the Republikschutz and later in the Allied Czech armies against NS-Germany.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvQMjamGjI8
>>73335228
>The attacks were documented in polish media as well as German, British and American
no such attacks were "documented" there just were unconfirmed reports. Documented means proven, yet no figures and names were published.
>>73335287
>Getting involved in WW1 was a mistake without Britain WW1 was going to be a quick German victory and Britain would of been better off without going in unprepared like they did. We lost our empire because of WW1
GB could not tolerate a German hegemony over Europe, at least not back then. If you don't Brexist you officially lost WW1 and WW2.
Kaiser Wilhelm II to Karl von Eisendecher, German vice-admiral and diplomat, Dec. 12, 1912
„England könne es nicht dulden, daß Deutschland die Vormacht des Kontinents werde und d[ies]er unter seiner Führung sich vereinige!! Skrupellos, roh und englisch! […] Es ist eine moralische Kriegserklärung an uns. Meine Instanzen sind alle informiert und militärisch gilt für die Vorbereitungen [zum großen Krieg] England jetzt als unser Feind. […] Damit ist Marschalls Arbeit und Lichnowskys Mission à limine bereits erledigt. Denn beider Auftrag war, die Neutralität Englands uns jedenfalls für den Konfliktfall mit Rußland-Frankreich zu sichern […]. [Als Gegenmaßnahmen verordnete der Kaiser zudem] mehr Schiffe und Soldaten […], denn es geht um unsere Existenz […]: Hier geht England kaltblütig im Kampfe der Germanen gegen die Slavische [sic!] Überflutung gegen ihre eigene Rasse! Militärisch ziehen wir bereits die Kosequenzen und machen uns auf alles gefaßt“
(PA3, Nachlass Eisendecher, Nr 1/1-7: Wilhelm II. an Eisendecher, 12.12.1912.)
translation on pt.2
>>73334607
>GB didn't start the war though.
no, the UK did suddenly sign a mutual protection treaty with Poland 1 month before Polish partisans reportedly attacked German positions all along the border resulting in the invasion and annexation of Poland. The Soviet Union also attacked Poland and yet the UK didn't declare war upon them...
The British planned for and cajoled the Polish into acting aggressive with the Germans in order to cause another defeat on Germany and strengthen their Empire. The result was that they lost everything and were responsible for the destruction of western Europe.
You are a cunt.
>>73335920
"England could not tolerate Germany becoming the continental hegemon and uniting it under its leadership! Ruthless, rough and English! [...] It is a moral declaration of war against us. My instances are all informed and militarily preparations taking effect [for the great war] England is now our enemy. [...] Therefor Marschall's work and Lichnowsky's mission already end on the threshold. Because both their order was to ensure England's neutrality in our favour at least in the case of conflict with Russia, France. [...] [As counter measure the Kaiser moreover enacts more ships and more soldiers [...], because its about our existence. In this fight of the Germanics against the Slavic flood, England coldbloodedly goes against its own race! Militarily we draw the conclusions already, and prepare for everything."
>>73333841
Nice memes. Enjoy becoming a minority and having your TV encourage your daughter to racemix.
>>73334337
i want off this ride
you are driving me to the edgy anon, all of youu
>>73335577
>it was similar to Switzerland, Germans were well represented and many Sudetendeutsche
Apparently not since they were ecstatic and lived better lives in NS Germany, at least in the peace years.
>many Sudetendeutsche
fought in the Republikschutz and later in the Allied Czech armies against NS-Germany.
Your outlier statistics are irrelevant, "many" Russians and Jews fought with the nazis as well
>>73329141
>>73328924
>>73329690
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>>73330937
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>>73336161
>Implying anyone gave a fuck about filthy Pollacks.
>>73335940
>no, the UK did suddenly sign a mutual protection treaty with Poland 1 month before Polish partisans reportedly attacked German positions all along the border resulting in the invasion and annexation of Poland. The Soviet Union also attacked Poland and yet the UK didn't declare war upon them...
you mixed up something here, it were German secret service Selbstschutz units operating in Poland. GB made that treaty with Poland to prevent another war after Hitler broke the Munich Agreement. The treaty only was valid in case of a German aggression, the Polish Eastern border beyond the Curzon ricver was not internationally recognized,
ARTICLE I.
Should one of the Contracting Parties become engaged in hostilities with a European Power in consequence of aggression by the latter against that Contracting Party, the other Contracting Party will at once give the Contracting Party engaged in hostilities all the support and assistance in its power.
1. (a) By the expression "a European Power" employed in the Agreement is to be understood Germany. (b) In the event of action within the meaning of Article 1 or 2 of the Agreement by a European Power other than Germany, the Contracting Parties will consult together on the measures to be taken in common.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Agreement_of_Mutual_Assistance_between_the_United_Kingdom_and_Poland-London_(1939)
>The British planned for and cajoled the Polish into acting aggressive with the Germans in order to cause another defeat on Germany and strengthen their Empire. The result was that they lost everything and were responsible for the destruction of western Europe.
if it had been that way, why didn't they simply invade Germany when it only had a 100k man army? The Brits even withdrew their army of the Rhine 10 years ahead schedule.
>You are a cunt.
It is plain to see who is poor and pathetic here.
>>73336445
WE HAD TO DEFEND POLAND FOR THE SAKE OF OUR EMPIRE SO WE DID
*lose empire*
*rich remain rich*
*poorfag Brits defend world war 2 on a Vietnamese message board 100 years later*
>>73336538
>if it had been that way, why didn't they simply invade Germany when it only had a 100k man army? The Brits even withdrew their army of the Rhine 10 years ahead schedule.
Because Germany was a joke back then with standards of living worse than anywhere in Europe and it was supposed to stop existing as a country, or at least as a factor.
Then Hitler came and WWI and for the brits it was as if WWI was fought for nothing
>>73336717
>Because Germany was a joke back then with standards of living worse than anywhere in Europe and it was supposed to stop existing as a country, or at least as a factor.
where did you get that nonsense from? Germany did do well, the little army meant no burden for the annual budget. Germany was not worse off during the Great Depression than other countries.
>Then Hitler came and WWI and for the brits it was as if WWI was fought for nothing
British appeasement stabilized Hitler's power, they intervened in France in Germany favour, e.g. during the re-militarization of the Rhineland. Also by signing the Anglo-German Naval Agreement they even de jure (and not just de facto) ackowledged the Versailles Treaty no longer was valid.
>>73336538
>it were German secret service Selbstschutz
on the testimony of one soldier after the war. the defector disappeared soon afterwards.
>The treaty only was valid in case of a German aggression
which is contrary to any such treaty before that time. notably the signed document does not carry the 'a european power means germany' protocol.
>The Brits even withdrew their army of the Rhine 10 years ahead schedule.
you just answered your own question. they needed to rile up europe against the germans so they used poland as the provocateur. the result is history.
>>73337174
>on the testimony of one soldier after the war. the defector disappeared soon afterwards.
lol no.
http://server1.info/berliner-gesellschaft.orgx/Chincinski1.pdf
>Ywhich is contrary to any such treaty before that time.
like which?
It was similar to the franco-Polish army agreement.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franco-Polish_alliance_(1921)#1939
>notably the signed document does not carry the 'a european power means germany' protocol.
are you an illiterate? I posted the full text incl the secret protocol.
>you just answered your own question. they needed to rile up europe against the germans so they used poland as the provocateur. the result is history.
This does not make sense, GB was keen to keep the post-WW1 order intact, stability in Central Europe and the Anti-Soviet cordon sanitaire in the East. It was Germany who wanted and did break that up. It was the British appeasement policy which encouraged Hitler to become bold.
>1941
>be britbog
>France surrendered
>U-boats stopped the boats from bringing supplies
>the public are making tea out of dandelions and moral is low
>Hitler offers peace and in return just wants to be left alone while fighting the Russians
>"Oi, we 'ant 'ave any of that willy nally"
>call burger
>"Masta halp me, masta, my industry is so brittle and weak, we need your halp guv, help!!! help!! give you a good wet one I will"
>'Murica gets the best head from the UK since ww1.
>starts pumping the industry.
>saved the world yet again from whites.
>lets make Palestine into Israel
>lets make Kuwait
>lets liberate the Indians and release them into the entire world
>>73329942
That's like saying it's okay for Mexico to take California because 90% of the people are Hispanic.
>>73336717
>Then Hitler came and WWI and for the brits it was as if WWI was fought for nothing
based slav knows his shit.
>>73338092
...if California was a historical part of Mexico but taken over by the US just 20 years ago... then yes.
>>73330937
>Responds with reasonable counter argument
>everyone calls him names
>no response with facts
Well it's good to know that Germans are still smart people
>>73337905
>server1.info/berliner-gesellschaft.orgx/Chincinski1.pdf
abwehr documents interspersed with pdf images claiming thousands of german false flag saboteurs... literally the only evidence of operation tannenberg comes from naujocks testimony at nuremberg. naujocks was probably just an actor.
>It was similar to the franco-Polish army agreement.
the franco polish alliance was invented in order to curb soviet aggression on poland. yet, france did not declare war on the soviet union for their invasion of poland.
>are you an illiterate? I posted the full text incl the secret protocol.
find a source of the document. the signed document does not carry the 'secret protocol' as it was published in the house of lords after the war was over.
>It was the British appeasement policy which encouraged Hitler to become bold.
up until chamberlain was overthrown churchill and crew were doing everything in their power to get a war with germany and even approached the soviet union for a military alliance against germany. they couldn't allow central europe to outstrip them economically and let their war wounds heal.
>>73333416
Just kill yourself. The war's aim was to stop communism and unite the white people in Europe. The SS was the most diverse army that ever existed with almost every ethnicity represented.
Germany would've been allied with Poland, but pilsudski died too early.
The war was justified and would've made most European states better off than they are today.
Especially France & GB. Which lost all their colonies and are overrun by shitskins, which makes them losing their culture now.
>>73330937
>then why did he break the Anglo-German Naval Agreement?
From Wikipedia:
"For the Germans, the Anglo-German Naval Agreement was intended to mark the beginning of an Anglo-German alliance against France and the Soviet Union,[3] whereas for the British, the Anglo-German Naval Agreement was to be the beginning of a series of arms limitation agreements that were made to limit German expansionism."
>>73334607
Why didn't GB declare war on the soviets, in fact even worse allied with Stalin who than later took polish land, when their GBs initial war goal was to protect Poland?
GB was just afraid to lose its main power status. Poland was just a scapegoat in order to declare war on Germany.
You sound like an ordinary German school book which is filled with lies.
>>73330081
This is the answer tbqhwy
>>73338770
>abwehr documents interspersed with pdf images claiming thousands of german false flag saboteurs... literally the only evidence of operation tannenberg comes from naujocks testimony at nuremberg. naujocks was probably just an actor.
so eve when provided whith copies of 3. Reich documents you insist on some nonsense? All the Diversationsorganisationen didn't exist because you don't like Naujocks?
There were many raids on Polish soil prior to Sept. 1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarn%C3%B3w_rail_station_bomb_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jab%C5%82onk%C3%B3w_Incident
>the franco polish alliance was invented in order to curb soviet aggression on poland. yet, france did not declare war on the soviet union for their invasion of poland.
so despite I directly linked to 1939 you failed to read the basic information?
>find a source of the document. the signed document does not carry the 'secret protocol' as it was published in the house of lords after the war was over.
why? The Polish ambassador to GB asked GB what to do about the Soviet invasion and the answer was it is unable to do something about that. Maybe you read some diplomatic files of that time.
>up until chamberlain was overthrown churchill and crew were doing everything in their power to get a war with germany
you forgot the "not". He ven wanted to meet Hitler in Munich, but he had no time...
>nd even approached the soviet union for a military alliance against germany. they couldn't allow central europe to outstrip them economically and let their war wounds heal.
you completely ignore the Appeasement policy, incl. economic appeasement which was agganged to stabilize Central Europe and immunize it against Communism.
>>73338828
>Just kill yourself.
says the worthless oxygen consumer.
> The war's aim was to stop communism
by making an alliance with the Soviet Union? After Hitler's takeover there was no Communist threat left.
>and unite the white people in Europe.
this at keast proves you're no German, The concept of whiteness was mainly of colonial origin and not used in the NS terminology.
>The SS was the most diverse army that ever existed with almost every ethnicity represented.
Waffen-SS, not SS. They were mercenaries which were hired to have more cannon fodder.
>Germany would've been allied with Poland, but pilsudski died too early.
This didn't prevent Hitler ftom breaking the 1934 non-aggression treaty with Poland.
>The war was justified and would've made most European states better off than they are today.
so millions of dead whites as you call them suddenly are worth it? The European states would be better off if Hitler had not started the war and destroyed the European order.
>Especially France & GB. Which lost all their colonies and are overrun by shitskins, which makes them losing their culture now.
Nazism which killed millions of Europeans is not the solution to that...
>>73339666
>you forgot the "not". He ven wanted to meet Hitler in Munich, but he had no time...
Satan pls, Churchill was pro-war with the Third Reich from Day 1. Hell, the only reason he came back to legitimacy on the public stage was because
>he was the one man who saw it coming
>he tried to warn us
>we didn't listen
He had a barebones for Germany, (or at least was part of the old guard that operated by the calculus of Strong Germany = it's ogre)
>>73338383
>.if California was a historical part of Mexico
Yes
>but taken over by the US just 20 years ago
No
>>73340234
>barebones
Hateboner*
;__;
>>73340078
>Nazism which killed millions of Europeans is not the solution to that..
It was not "Nazism" that killed anyone, it was foreign powers (mainly Britain) trying to keep Germany under their boots - somewhat like the US is doing today against Russia (?)
>Was Britain declaring war on Germany in WW2 the biggest strategical blunder in the history of the human race?
change it to
>Was Britain declaring war on Germany in WW1 the biggest strategical blunder in the history of the human race?
And you're correct. WW2 was a direct consequence of how unashamedly evil the Treaty of Versailles was.
>>73328773
The jews wanted white people to fight to the death to weaken our countries and open us up for 3rd world immigration. This continues to this day until we stop the jews.
We must kIll every jew before they kill us.
>It's another Germany deflecting their failures onto Britain
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ztOV2wrrkY
>>73333841
>BRITISH WOMEN
>>73340624
>The jews wanted white people to fight to the death to weaken our countries and open us up for 3rd world immigration
I doubt that, Jews won't benefit on every country being a third world shit hole. Do you think Jews make more money in Germany or in Pakistan?
>>73329942
> danzig
ohh you mean Gdansk!
the ancient polish city that occupied for a few years before being BTFO, and the krauts never got over the loss?
Gdansk is DEEP INSIDE POLAND
germany has no legitimate claim on Gdansk
the krauts have been invading poland ever couple decades for more than 1500 years.
funny how the germans never seem to understand why the poles might be unwelcoming to their "liberators"
poland is for POLES, not germans looking for liebensraum
>>73341117
>the ancient polish city that occupied for a few years
It was German for centuries (like in hundreds of years).
>>73341039
What is money?
Its fucking nothing. Power, rule over the masses, is all that matters.
Nobody gives a fuck about the brain of a laborer senpai.
How do we solve the slavslime problem tho?
>>73339666
>so eve when provided whith copies of 3. Reich documents you insist on some nonsense?
the actual documents have nothing to do with a clandestine false flag attack. the loads of bullshit images are not contemporary and are meaningless.
>so despite I directly linked to 1939 you failed to read the basic information?
Kasprzycki-Gamelin Convention is completely seperate from the '21 military alliance that France and Poland should have officially still shared and the convention wasn't ratified until two days after the war between Germany and Poland began.
>The Polish ambassador to GB asked GB what to do about the Soviet invasion and the answer was it is unable to do something about that.
simply betrayal and they continued to use the polish during the war and betrayed em again when the war was over
>economic appeasement which was agganged to stabilize Central Europe and immunize it against Communism.
chamberlain did everything in his power to keep a world war from sparking again. meanwhile, british nobles like churchill circumvented his policies in every way by colluding with the polish, french, and soviets (they tried) against germany.
>>73340234
>Satan pls, Churchill was pro-war with the Third Reich from Day 1. Hell, the only reason he came back to legitimacy on the public stage was because
read Hitler—Monster or Hero?
BY WINSTON CHURCHILL
The former lance corporal has restored Germany to a position of power in Europe—
whether for the good of modern civilization or its undoing, only the future will tell.
it doesn't let me post link here, Churchill was absolutely not anti-German.
>He had a barebones for Germany, (or at least was part of the old guard that operated by the calculus of Strong Germany = it's ogre)
unfounded speculations, he even donated money for general von Manstein's defense after 1945.
>>73328899
Mosley pic :( if only. You did a grand job, sir Oswald
>>73341326
Who wants to rule over fucking Haiti?
What is power?
Its fucking nothing
(if you want to rule Haiti).
>>73339666
Get off the german proxy you disgusting slavslime polish subhuman
>>73340078
Soviet Union taking over the baltics, fighting Finnland & developing tanks like the kv1 & 2 that can only properly operate in West Europe due bad infrastructure in the SU
>NO threat left I swear guys
I use the term whites because Hitler believed in Blut & Boden, each ethnicity is bound to its land and should have a strong and healthy nationalism within their boarders. Germany allied with Japan, Romania, Hungary & Italy which are not Aryan states.
I use the term white people because its easier to comprehend nowadays.
>Waffen SS was cannon fodder
Sure that's why you needed specific requirements to join those elite ranks. In addition why would you equip cannon fodder with good equipment?
>Poland non aggression treaty
Was cancelled because Poland refused to Danzig to return home and they refused about a Fucking motorway so called corridor that connects Prussia with the rest of Germany. And why did they refuse? Because GB told them that would force Germany to go to war 'but we got your back boys'
>millions of Europeans did
... Because they fought against the Axis and against Europe in order to be a puppet of the soviets & Americans.
If the Axis powers would've won or better France & GB joined them Europe would be Utopia today
>>73328773
Hitler wasn't to be trusted
It did arguably begin the decline of the British empire and begin the rise of the US superstate but there ya go
>Was Britain declaring war on Germany in WW2 the biggest strategical blunder in the history of the human race?
A German occupied Europe was the absolute last thing that the UK wanted, so no, it wasn't a strategical blunder
>>73341485
>the actual documents have nothing to do with a clandestine false flag attack. the loads of bullshit images are not contemporary and are meaningless.
they document the German attacks inside Poland to stir up trouble, exactly like it happend in CZ before. It wasn't just one clandestine false attack. Ukrainians in Poland were hired to strip up trouble too, they were organized in the K-Organisationen.
>Kasprzycki-Gamelin Convention is completely seperate from the '21 military alliance that France and Poland should have officially still shared and the convention wasn't ratified until two days after the war between Germany and Poland began.
it is the comparision you asked for regarding the Anglo-Polish treaty.
>simply betrayal and they continued to use the polish during the war and betrayed em again when the war was over
what could GB have done about it? They could not fight against NS Germany and the USSR at the same time. Also spare us your crocodile tears. if you really cared for Poland you would condemn the German aggression, not just the Soviet one.
>chamberlain did everything in his power to keep a world war from sparking again. meanwhile, british nobles like churchill circumvented his policies in every way by colluding with the polish, french, and soviets (they tried) against germany.
repeating nonsense does not make it true. Especially the British upper class was interested in good economic relations with Germany.
Just look at the member list of the Anglo-German Fellowship
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-German_Fellowship#Mitglieder
>>73341508
Britain and France had to choose between war and dishonour. They chose dishonour. They will have war.
To Neville Chamberlain in the House of Commons, after the Munich accords (1938).
Yeah, he was a real lover of Adolf Hitler and Germany...
>>73341117
You can argue about other cities, but Danzig has a German origin and history.
The area was firstly settled by Eastern Germanic tribes.
Later in the 13th century the city right was given to the German merchant station of Danzig and under the teutonic Knights the city grew massively.
It was inhabited and build up by a huge German majority during its whole history (90%) up till 1945. It's now polish clay, but it definitely wasn't in the past and especially not in 1939.
>>73341508
>Churchill was absolutely not anti-German.
"Germany is too strong. We must destroy her." - Winston Churchill, November 1936
>>73341699
>Soviet Union taking over the baltics, fighting Finnland
with Hitler's help. Germany was sinking Finnish and Estonian merchant ship in the Baltic Sea.
>& developing tanks like the kv1 & 2 that can only properly operate in West Europe due bad infrastructure in the SU
LMAO those beasts were designed to roll over everything.
>I use the term whites because Hitler believed in Blut & Boden, each ethnicity is bound to its land and should have a strong and healthy nationalism within their boarders
That's why he invaded CZ, PL, DK, N, B, NL, LUX, F, YU, GR, USSR etc.
You at least should read the basics of NS before engaging in a debate.
>Germany allied with Japan, Romania, Hungary & Italy which are not Aryan states.
the only Aryan state is Iran. also Hitler broke the treaty with Japan, why do you ignore this?
>I use the term white people because its easier to comprehend nowadays.
well, it is no easy to comprehend why you think killing millions of them were a good thing if its not done by Commies.
>Sure that's why you needed specific requirements to join those elite ranks. In addition why would you equip cannon fodder with good equipment?
only few Waffen SS divisions were well equipped, mostly those from NW Europe, the rest got outdated material.
>Was cancelled because Poland refused to Danzig to return home
how can Poland return what it does not posses? Danzig wa sa Free State. Also Hitler had promosed in public Sudentendeutschland were his last claim in Europe.
>and they refused about a Fucking motorway so called corridor that connects Prussia with the rest of Germany.
Poland saw how the munich agreement was broken by Hitler, also Germany needed no exterritorial corridor
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seedienst_Ostpreu%C3%9Fen
>And why did they refuse? Because GB told them that would force Germany to go to war 'but we got your back boys'
>>73328773
fun fact. Oxford was spared by air, Hitler planned on moving foot soldiers in to take it as his personal capitol
>And why did they refuse? Because GB told them that would force Germany to go to war 'but we got your back boys'
Nonsense, Poland had no reason to trust a liar and there was no legal basis for surrendering Polish soil.
>Because they fought against the Axis and against Europe in order to be a puppet of the soviets & Americans.
so defending one's homeland makes one a puppet?
>If the Axis powers would've won or better France & GB joined them Europe would be Utopia today
well NS economic visiosn were realized by EU, you could celebrate that, especialyl if Brits don't Brexist, then they finalyl have lost
Ww1 and WW2.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Hunke
>>73342685
>"Germany is too strong. We must destroy her." - Winston Churchill, November 1936
fake, but thanks for proving my point.
>>73341294
> occupied by germans for a couple decades = German Homeland for CENTURIES!!!
Gdansk was founded in the 10th century BY POLES
it was occupied by the krauts between 1308 and 1454 (soo very relevant in modern times!!) before it was taken back by the poles where it remained part of poland till 1793
it was invaded by prussia and was again occupied by krauts until 1806 (wow! 15 whole years!!)
Napolean...
gdansk was again occupied by krauts for another century, but kraut territorial claims are super important.
reverted to poland in '45 and remaind polish for the duration of the soviet domination
so, gdansk has been a city for ~ 1100 years, during which time it was under german occupation for ~ 270 years
wow, the german claim on that city is irrefutable!
dumbass.
>>73342585
>You can argue about other cities, but Danzig has a German origin and history.
why don't you look at the timeline before posting?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Gda%C5%84sk
>>73329864
oh really, so when they invaded my country, that was one of those reasons?
why the fuck does everyone forget about the fucking Benelux?
>>73343126
>well NS economic visiosn were realized by EU, you could celebrate that, especialyl if Brits don't Brexist, then they finalyl have lost
Ww1 and WW2.
good point. we need to make this a meme for the cucks that don't support "brexit"
and thats the point. the cunts already watered it down as brexit. should be "OUT OF THE EU"
like post traumatic war syndrome - shellshock
>>73329556
daily reminder. like subscribe share
>>73343311
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Gda%C5%84sk
1793
>>73342937
> Germany was sinking Finnish and Estonian merchant ship in the Baltic Sea.
all you do is make shit up and repeat yourself. just stfu ahmed.
>>73343599
>good point. we need to make this a meme for the cucks that don't support "brexit"
at all costs mention the German Mitteleuropa project (liberal imperialism), if you want good info about that read Fritz Fischer "Germany's Aims in the First World War" , "War of Illusions: German Policies from 1911 to 1914" and "From Kaiserreich to the Third Reich: Elements of Continuity in German History, 1871-1945 "
also http://www.geographictravels.com/2010/04/mitteleuropa-german-plan-before.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Naumann#Reception
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friedrich_Naumann_Foundation
dunno why there is no English Wiki important stuff
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Hunke#Zehn_Postulate_zur_deutschen_und_europ.C3.A4ischen_Wirtschaftspolitik
>>73344048
>1793 in Norway
Danish flag
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1793_in_Norway
>>73343559
> why does everyone forget about my country
only faggots spend their days contemplating the Nether Regions of Europe.
MFW your country's name is LITERALLY "Ass Lands"
>>73344687
>Danish flag
'Denmark-Norway'
But thanks for proving my point. 1793 is a long time ago, and almost all citizens in Danzig were German.
>>73343559
Because you really are subhuman squatting on a fine collection of resources. None of which you are really using
>>73336445
We had a mutual defence pact with Poland. What were we supposed to do, renege on it and make every other defence pact worthless? Maybe Hitler should have just refrained from invading the rest of Europe and let National Socialism spread by example instead.
>>73343311
Are you fucking stupid? Ethnicity determines a cities cultural background. Hamburg was once under Danish rule, does that mean that all citizens became suddenly of Danish ethnicity?
Same goes for Danzig. It doesn't matter who owned it, it's important to realise the inhabitants were always of German Origin & culture.
>>73344260
>all you do is make shit up and repeat yourself.
do facts hurt? Then they are necessary.
e.g. 17.2. den finnischen Dampfer Wilja (3396 BRT)
check list for ships sunky by the German navy on your own
http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/seekrieg/40-02.htm
>just stfu ahmed.
I am anti-nazi in case you haven't noticed.
>>73328773
Probably second to Germany getting involved in what became WW1.
Britain should have stayed out of both World Wars. If they had they would still have their empire and wouldn't have been cucked by the USA over title of most powerful nation.
Churchill was centrally involved in the decisions to enter both wars, he is literally the worst leader in British history.
>>73345691
>Are you fucking stupid? Ethnicity determines a cities cultural background. Hamburg was once under Danish rule, does that mean that all citizens became suddenly of Danish ethnicity?
>Same goes for Danzig. It doesn't matter who owned it, it's important to realise the inhabitants were always of German Origin & culture.
it was annexed by Prussia, this does not mean all inhabitants suddenly became Germans overnight. Also no one denied it had a German majority in 1939.
>>73345093
>But thanks for proving my point. 1793 is a long time ago, and almost all citizens in Danzig were German.
no one denied Polish areas were Germanized, so what?
>>73345350
>We had a mutual defence pact with Poland
That pact was made just 2 months before the outbreak of the war and was a provocation against Germany in itself - It was just empty promises from Britain back then as they had nothing to compete with Germany except the navy.
Britain wanted a war with Germany long before 1939, as they feared the rapidly growing economic power of Germany.
>Maybe Hitler should have just refrained from invading the rest of Europe
He didn't invade "the rest of Europe"... until Britain declared war on Germany.
Britain started bombing German civilians LONG before Germans started bombing British cities in retaliation.
>>73333647
>>Hitler wants peace after occupies the danzig corridor
>nice baitu
Yes, he offered multiple peace agreements in 1939 but Britain denied the offers because they wanted war
>>73345350
>We had a mutual defence pact with Poland
The question is, why? Britain had nothing to gain from it strategically, and Poland ended up in Soviet hands anyway.
You got cucked out of your empire over a German invasion of Poland. Fucking pathetic.
>>73328773
It was a mistake. The world is in its current state because of this
I used to hate hitler but after watching some of his translated speeches and actually listening to his views I came to realize that other than moving too quickly and killing people when he did he literally was right about everything and basically foretold the shit we are in right now
>>73333841
>A unified Europe was a threat to Russia, Bongs, and Ameriburgers
aka Jews.
Why do you call me a boolicked forwanting a unified Yurop?
Hitler dindu nuffin he a good boy, he was getting his country back together
Source: Youtube videos and infographs.
>>73345955
The Germans invaded Czechoslovakia even when they promised they wouldn't
It was pretty clear Hitler wasn't going to stop invading other countries
>>73334607
>I debunked your nonsense within a fingersnap
You didn't debunk anything, you gave not a single reference for your bullshit.
>>73346429
>You didn't debunk anything, you gave not a single reference for your bullshit.
I accept your surrender.
usa and uk could have allied with germany to wreck the fuckin commies
let's check how peaceful the nS were
Friedrich Lange, Deutsche Volksgeschichte, Deutsches Raumdenken, Zentralverlag der NSDAP, Berlin 1943 S.102 ff.
„Hier setzte das Erziehungswerk des Führers ein. Er machte aus „Ich“-Menschen wieder „Wir“-Menschen. Indem er uns scheinbar manche Freiheit nahm, löste er in Wahrheit die größten Befreiungskräfte in uns aus und schuf damit zunächst in uns selbst die Voraussetzungen für die Erringung eines Lebensraumes, dessen Größe und Freiheit alles für uns Dagewesene übertreffen wird.“
"Here the education work of the Fuehrer starts. Out if "I-people" he made "we-people" again. By allegedly taking some of our liberties, he in fact triggered the powers of liberation which were within ourselves, by doing so he created the preconditions which are needed to conquer the living-space which has a seize and freedom exceeding anything having existed so far."
„Dieser Krieg ist ein Kampf gegen die Vermassung, gegen die Zerstörung von Kulturgütern, gegen das vom Kommunismus gewollte Rassenchaos, gegen die Untermenschen. Es ist ein K a m p f um R a u m, der nicht mehr gegen Europa organisiert werden soll, sondern den Deutschland und alle europäischen Völker guten Willens zur Sicherung des Lebens und zur Erhaltung ihres Wesens nutzen wollen: Nahrungsraum, Arbeitsraum, Rohstoffraum.
Dieser Krieg hat mit unerbittlicher Härte das deutsche Volk vor die Frage gestellt, ob es sich zu der größten Aufgabe seiner Geschichte, der Lösung der uralten und doch bisher noch nie gelösten Ostfrage aufraffen und durchringen oder die letzte große Raumchance aus Kleinmut und Bequemlichkeit vertun will. Die Erschließung, Prägung und Formung des Ostens ist eine zentrale Aufgabe, die uns und unseren Kindern gestellt ist.“
translation on pt.2
Germany shouldn't have launched a bullshit falseflag attack on Poland because "Muh Clay"
If you supported Germany invading Poland to get clay back you support Mexico conquering Texas because bad things happen to Mexicans in the US.
>>73346705
"This war is a war against the mass-culture, against the destruction of cultural achievements, against Communism and it's race-chaos, against the subhumandom. It is a battle for space which no longer shall be organized against Europe, but to be used for Germany and all European people of good will to secure life and to preserve the own essence: space to gain nourishment, space to gain work, space to gain raw materials.
This war relentlessly confronted the German folk if it is ready to solve the biggest question of history, the solution of the ancient question of the east, or it it will waste it´s last chance to gain space out of faintheartedness and comfort. The development, characterizing and shaping of the est is a central question which is imposed upon us and our children."
>>73346739
>>73346801
>>73346839
>>73346498
It would have been better for the USA and the UK to sit on the sidelines and watch Germany and the Soviets duke it out in Eastern Europe.
If Britain and France had warned Hitler that any invasion in Western Europe would have meant war, the Nazis would probably never have invaded Belgium or Holland.
An invasion of Poland was not worth starting such a major war over, especially considering that our "allies" the Soviets invaded just a few weeks later and ended up seizing Poland for themselves.
>>73346915
This is totally on par what e.g. Alfred Rosenberg wrote too.
Alfred Rosenberg „Das Wesensgefüge des Nationalsozialismus“, 1934
the essence-structure of NS
„Wir predigen nicht Krieg gegen Frankreich, sondern wir wollen Lebensraum für ein großes Kulturvolk haben, wir wollen Raum für den Bauern im Osten haben, damit sich das deutsche Volk ernähren kann.
Heute stehen diese großen Probleme wieder vor uns. Wir wissen, dass im Osten, auf jenem Raum, der mit deutschem Blut erobert und kultiviert worden ist, sich ein Feind ausgebreitet hat: unser Todfeind Polen, Frankreichs Trabant! Wenn man das nicht zugeben will, so verzichtet man auf 1000 Jahre deutscher Geschichte, auf 1000 Jahre deutscher Opfer, die für die Geschichte gebracht worden sind und man verzichtet auf die Erfolge des großen Ringens.“
"We do not preach war against France, but we want to have living space for a great nation of culture, we want land for the farmer in the east, so the German folk can nourish itself. Today we face these great problems again. We know, that in the east, on that soil that had been conquered with German blood and cultivated, an enemy spreads: our deadly enemy Poland, the satellite of France! If one does not want to admit that, so one forgoes 1000 years of German history, 1000 years of German sacrifices that had been made for history, an done forgoes the successes of that great struggle."
>>73335940
You mean the extremely obvious false flag attack.
Please that shows how pathetically beta Germany was.
"We couldn't even think up a legitimate reason to invade so we attacked ourselves!"
>>73346730
It's not a matter of "supporting" Germany invading Poland, it's a matter of whether or not it was worth starting a World War over.
Putin invaded Crimea and not starting a war over that doesn't mean that other countries "support" Putin's annexation of another country's clay.
>>73337905
>http://server1.info/berliner-gesellschaft.orgx/Chincinski1.pdf
This german cuck has exposed himself:
berliner-gesellschaft.org
The "Berliner Gesellschaft" unites SOCIAL SCIENTISTS and people interested in history....
events:
Rosa-Luxemburg-Stiftung Berlin ....
The whole website a collection of communist propaganda.
Don't believe anything this German commie cuck says without a valid reference
>>73346929
You're an idiot if you believe that the Soviets were 'allies' back then.
The Soviets had allied with Germany in 1939.
At that time the Axis was Germany and the Soviets. Up until Germany invaded the USSR they were close allies, Soviets shipped in Fuel, equipment and supplies to Germany as they fought the rest of Europe.
It was to the point where the allies nearly declared war on the Soviets before Hitler stabbed them in the back.
>>73346730
>Germany shouldn't have launched a bullshit falseflag attack on Poland because "Muh Clay"
to be honest they didn't say muh clay, but their clay, It was about conquering Lebensraum to create a geschlossenes Volksreich (concluded Folkempire)
sadly this only exists in German, watch it anway, right from the horse's mouth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpcufRhR7qw
the Jan 30 1940 speech exists in English
>>73347047
There was no evidence that Hitler was going to stop invading people.
>>73347128
>You're an idiot if you believe that the Soviets were 'allies' back then.
Why the fuck do you think I put the word allies in quotes you fucking idiot?
>>73347102
>The whole website a collection of communist propaganda.
lol no, they host that pdf but it doen't mean this stuff is not scientifcally incorrect. The sources are not communist.
>>73340078
>Nazism which killed millions of Europeans is not the solution to that...
Says a guy who references communist propaganda websites... please enlighten us about the glory of communist, whose death count exceeds fascism by a huge margin
>>73347258
So what? The West had no strategic reason to care if Hitler wanted to war with the Soviets in the Eastern Europe.
As long as the Western powers made it clear to Hitler that he needed to respect the sovereign territory of Western Europe it would have mattered if Hitler attempted to enlarge Germany's Eastern territory.
That said, there was no evidence that Hitler had plans of continued invasions, Germany's idea of a Greater Germanic Reich wasn't fully formed until after the war started.
>>73347559
Correction: wouldn't* have mattered
>>73347491
>Says a guy who references communist propaganda websites...
you can check the info on any other site, I linked the first pdf I found. The content is what counts.
>please enlighten us about the glory of communist, whose death count exceeds fascism by a huge margin
Nazis and Communists are the same shit, why would I side with one of those?
>>73335940
Yes the UK is totally responsible and started the world war by sitting back hoping Germany stood by the non-agression pact and watched Germany build it's forces into the largest mechanized and arguably most modern fighting force in the world in a scenario which the UK had to hastily re-arm and rebuild its own forces once war broke out which resulted in the failure that was Dunkirk and could have quite possibly been the end for England
Excellent theory anon
>>73328773
wouldn't that mean that America nukes europe
>>73347337
>they host that pdf but it doen't mean this stuff is not scientifcally incorrect. The sources are not communist.
Then how about you link scientific sources instead of documents of amateur historians?
All names, events, documents... on this website scream communism, anti-German
>>73347731
>why would I side with one of those?
You said that Germany killed its minorities, but Poland didn't harm Germans.
You know quite well, that the only people killed by fascist in Germany 1930-1939 have been communist revolutionaries. By using the term minorities instead of communist you show that you yourself are a communist. Objective people don't try to hide the truth
>>73347917
Germany would have been embroiled in war with the Soviets. They never would have had the will or the opportunity to attack the UK, and there's no evidence that they have had designs on the UK.
That's a seriously delusional argument.
You fucking morons were responsible for emboldening and empowering the USSR for several decades. If it wasn't for the prospect of mutually assured destruction of nuclear arms, the second half of the 20th century would have been even bloodier than the first half, and the UK would have been primarily responsible for it because of the strategic idiocy of Winston Churchill.
Stop apologizing for your insane strategic blunders, and accept responsibility for your central role in destroying the West.
>>73348035
>Then how about you link scientific sources instead of documents of amateur historians?
this is real stuff, so what? You also could have a direct look into Himmler's archive or read any book abou the German Diversionsorganisationen.
>All names, events, documents... on this website scream communism, anti-German
lol no, not one Communist author there, it it were Communist it were anti-Polish too.
>>73347128
France and Britain were going to send troops to help Finland against the Soviets but Norway and Sweden refused to allow them to go through their countries to reach Finland.
>>73328773
>In my WW2 class
>Ask professor what would have been bad about Britain allying with Germany
>He only lists off good things about it
>Can't come up with any bad reasons
>>73348567
SWEDEN!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT'S ALL SWEDEN'S FAULT
SWEDEN DESTROYED EUROPE
IF ONLY SWEDEN ALLOWED THE UK TO GO THROUGH THEIR BORDERS
>>73348394
>You said that Germany killed its minorities, but Poland didn't harm Germans.
Poles didn't before they were attacked by Germany.
>You know quite well, that the only people killed by fascist in Germany 1930-1939 have been communist revolutionaries.
Italy was fascist, calling NS fascism is Communist propaganda. NS killed a wide array of dissidents, from conservative to communist.
>By using the term minorities instead of communist you show that you yourself are a communist.
I never said "minorities". And I maintain an equidistance to both NS and Communism, it both is a plague.
>Objective people don't try to hide the truth
that's why you are not objective? Hitler himself was inspired by Marx, so what?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnXp8g3rzvo
>Could've had Napoleonic Europe
>Britain fucks it up
>Could've had Nazi Europe
>Britain fucks it up
So now we get shitskin Europe since Britain lost its balls along with its Empire
>>73346984
>Alfred Rosenberg „Das Wesensgefüge des Nationalsozialismus“
>>73346984
>We know, that in the east, on that soil that had been conquered with German blood and cultivated, an enemy spreads
Thank you for confirming that "Lebensraum" always meant the German settlements in Poland and in the Czech Republic, that have been taken from Germany by the treaty of Versailles.
No where does it say that Germany wanted to conquer eastern Europe, they only wanted their < WWI territories back
>>73349114
>Thank you for confirming that "Lebensraum" always meant the German settlements in Poland and in the Czech Republic, that have been taken from Germany by the treaty of Versailles.
>No where does it say that Germany wanted to conquer eastern Europe, they only wanted their < WWI territories back
actually no, German areas don't have to be conquered by Germany. At that time the book was printed there were no German areas under Polish administration.
>>73348550
>Germany would have been embroiled in war with the Soviets.
>Would have,
and now we enter the hypothetical world of "ifs" and "would haves"
>You fucking morons were responsible for emboldening and empowering the USSR for several decades
Umm no that was a direct result of the end of the Russian monarchy during WW1, and stems from the Russian revolution, which wouldn't have happened if peace was declared in 1917 around about the time America entered funnily enough, I guess the UK and the 1839 Treaty of London of is to blame for WW1 too
>>73328773
The biggest strategical blunder in history was to invade Poland after pushing their luck three times.
>>73349669
>At that time the book was printed there were no German areas under Polish administration.
As you wrote yourself the book was printed in 1934 - after the treaty of Versailles, so east Prussia belonged to Poland. East Prussia was part of Lebensraum, not Russia,...
>>73349886
>Umm no that was a direct result of the end of the Russian monarchy during WW1, and stems from the Russian revolution
Russia would have stayed weak if the West hadn't have allied with them during WWII and given them Lend Lease support.
>I guess the UK and the 1839 Treaty of London of is to blame for WW1 too
The UK is too blame for getting involved in WW1, another conflict that getting involved in had no strategic value for the UK.
You're also to blame for getting us involved in that war, by flying our flags on your ships to fuck with the Germans, which resulted in our civilian ships getting sunk and caused strained relations between us and Germany. Flying our flag on your ships was also Churchill's idea by the way.
The UK is centrally responsible for the decline of the West, and much of that blame lies directly with Churchill.
>>73349886
Also:
>and now we enter the hypothetical world of "ifs" and "would haves"
No fucking shit, this whole thread is about what "would have" happened if the UK hadn't have made the strategic blunder of getting involved in WWII. Hypotheticals are the only currency in such a discussion because we don't have the luxury of counter factual to what actually took place.
>>73347337
>The sources are not communist.
Lets have a look on the list of supporters on their website:
- a society of the german left party "Verein der Bundestagsfraktion Die Linke"
- Rosa-Luxemburg-Stiftung
- Russian house of science and culture "Russisches Haus der Wissenschaft und Kultur"
- Society for the history of labor movements "Förderverein für Forschungen zur Geschichte der Arbeiterbewegung."
All of these are communists/ hardcore socialists, the next time you spread disinformation you better have good sources
>>73328773
>be Britian
>Hitler is invading all the countries around you
>believe Hitler will stop leave you alone after holding an absolute military advantage
hey look its this thread again where /pol/ armchair generals share their vast knowledge of military strategy!
You fucking retards.
If the west didn't stop Germany, all the Jews would've been wiped out. THE ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE WITH LONG HISTORY.
Stupid
>>73329556
>Reasons like?
like the poles were killing Germanic people
>>73355121
>If the west didn't stop Germany, all the Jews would've been wiped out.
Actually nearly all countries worldwide blocked German attempts between 1930 and 1942 to resettle European Jewry. Even American Jewry was divided about letting eastern European Jews immigrate because they have been despised as being poor, dirty,... (the reality of eastern European Jewry).
If the west would have helped Jewish emigration, no Jew would have had to die... except for active communist revolutionaries
