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Rape Culture and the presumtion of innocence.
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Several months ago, Stoya accused James Deen of rape on twitter. She didn't go to the cops, she didn't press criminal charges. She simply posted the accusation on Twitter for the entire world to see. Then she wrote about the incident on her blog in more detail. After she made the public accusation, several women chimed in with a "me too", all on social media. None of them have gone to the cops or pressed charges.

Now, the mainstream media is writing article after article holding these accusation up as an example of rape culture. Each article has a "he is obviously guilty" tone with nearly total disregard to any presumption of innocence and are using this incident as an example of why US laws need to be changed to make it EASIER for women to accuse men of rape. Here is an example:
>http://time.com/4138647/laurie-penny-stoya-james-deen/

How does a man defend himself from a false rape accusation?
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>>73327175
she's a pornstar, and IIRC, he fucked her on set, as they had both agreed to.
she may not have liked the exact way he fucked her, but if she didn't start screaming 'stop', it's not rape.
stupid whore.
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So I think the question you're really asking here is,
can I rape my wife?

and yes,
You can
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>>73327175
File slander charges against her
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>>73327464
define rape

is it the act of forcefully inserting your [anything] into another person's [anything] using force or any other means

Or is it the act of having consensual sex and then regretting it days or even weeks or months lather?
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>How does a man defend himself from a false rape accusation?

Simple. Do not engage with them. The only winning move is not to play. If people corner you and say "yo are you a rapist???" all you need to say is "no" and walk away.

No explanations. No apologies. No olive branches trying to calm the situation. Anything you say will be used against you.
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>>73327464
>>73327616
>>73327705
>>73327826

This is the blog post she made, detailing the incident.
>http://graphicdescriptions.com/42-december17
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>>73327175

Presumption. PRESUMPTION. If you want to pretend to be an intellectual on the internet you should at least spell your title correctly.

1) "Presumption of innocence" means that when a person enters criminal court they are to be presumed innocent and that their guilt must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. It does not mean that media, news outlets, individuals, bloggers, or anyone else is not allowed to express an opinion over their guilt or innocence.

2) A man defends himself by appearing in a court of law when he is criminally charged with rape. James Deen has not been criminally charged with rape. He has nothing to defend himself from other than the whining of feminist bloggers. There is no need to defend oneself from little girl bloggers on the internet. These are girls who were outcast from actual female social hierarchies, lashing out at men on the internet, and blaming them for their own social failings with other women. They want to fashion "man" as an enemy so that they can have female friends. The reality is, that other women already hate them and will have nothing to do with them anyways.

3) Rape is so difficult to prosecute. All of your beta male fagging out is because you are a little boy removed from power, knowledge, or anything of value. If you actually mattered, you would be more focused on what matters (actual criminal complaints vs little mean girls talking). In real life, rape accusations seldom net convictions, even when foul play seems very likely.
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>>73328429
>He has nothing to defend himself from

This is where you are wrong. Several studios have made public pledges to never hire him again. He has become a social pariah and he is struggling to find work.

https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/these-porn-companies-are-disposing-of-james-deen-like-a-used-condom
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>>73328429

>>73329447
He's a total dumbass. He's so disconnected from real life I'm not sure what kind of disgusting low IQ numbskull he would be.

People have their lives, careers, and relationships ruined all the time because of lies and false accusations.

People like him should be put to death.
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>>73327175

fags like me laugh at you heteros

enjoy being pussy-whipped
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>>73330416
Enjoy dying of aids
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>>73327175
He is obviously guilty; watch any of the videos he did for hardcore gangbangs--he's especially vicioius and mistreating of the women

I'm as /pol/ as you get but fucking bitches against their will is low as fuck nigger tier behavior
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>>73327175
Seriously
Take a look at the second episode of Rumpole of the Bailey.
Rumpole is BBC libtard propaganda, but removed by several decades, very well done, and at least nominally connected to Western values, if only to undermine them. In this episode we meet Rumpole's son and his wife, a militant feminist, wgo throws a tantrum when she observes her father in law defending a man from a rape accusation by questioning the credibility of the accuser. The discussion they then have is very good, but it's also scary that this is from thirty years ago and the shrieking girl who does not understand the concept of law is now the voice of the establishment.
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>>73328429
It is true that presumption of innocence only applies to the court. You are absolutely correct that I could set up a media hate frenzy about this obviously guilty scumbag who must be removed from the earth because he is the son of the devil, and thus have suggestible morons and whiteknights kill him. You are absolutely right.
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>>73330680
Considering that I'm now 39 and have been married to the same guy since I was 21 without having an issue I think your fantasy is misplaced

enjoy being pussy-whipped
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>>73330416
this
the past 15 years have been nothing but pissy useless women, and people are still clinging to them because "dude vaginas lmao"
giving in to faggotry is just advantageous at this point
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>>73327175
Porn is a terrible industry full of shitty people with a raft of mental problems.

I get your point, but I'm having a hard time giving a shit what happens to this kike scumbag.
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https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/after-rape-accusations-female-porn-stars-stand-in-solidarity-against-james-deen

If you read the stories, it appears Deen fucked this chick in the ass when she said no and she was bleeding, slapped another chick etc.

If this happened, where are the videos? They were filming for a scene, if these chicks were supposedly raped, then where's the video of the scene they shot while it happened? How come they didn't name the movie? It seems like the easiest thing in the world to prove if there's a fucking camera on you while the crime is occurring, yet somehow none of these women have named the films, produced the video, or had corroborating statements from crew or directors?
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Deen is a degenerate involved in a degenerate industry, rape is a degenerate act. Degenerates do defenerate things, therefore he probably did do it. What about his character makes you think he's innocent, or failing that, makes you care?

Wrong person to champion in this culture war. He helped make this world of deatroyed male-female relations, let him get fucked by it.

There are plently of better quality men who have been falsely accused that deserve to be championed, not this cunt.
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>>73332126
Also, Stoya dated Deen for years after, and then somehow these 'rape' stories only come up when they break up. Yeah okay.
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>>73327175
Respect my culture. Rape is "our" word. Using it is cultural appropriation. Check your privilege.
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Who's in the right? A jew or a prostitute?

I think we are required by our ideals and morals to take the side of the white prostitute.
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>>73332144

>because someone is in porn they're a bad person

>Hector, pass me my other set of pearls. I've clutched these so hard the string has snapped.
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>>73331069
>mistreating women in a hardcore gangbang

How, exactly? I mean--it's not like it comes as a huge shock if you're signing up to do a scene with a guy KNOWN for that kind of shit for a website called "hardcore facial abuse punished gangbang.com" Is it really that hard an idea to grasp that most of the women signing up for this do so with knowledge and consent of the act? And IIRC, Stoya and James Deen were in a """""relationship""""". Sounds to me like it was an argument or some bullshit that got out of hand and her fee fees got hurt and now it's "Raaaaape!".
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>>73332499

Exactly. This isn't exactly a "Les Miserables". I guess it kinda sucks for him if she's lying and it sucks for her if she's not but this one's not really tugging at the old heart strings.

But she gets fucked on camera, that's her day job. So...if this happened, I guess we could call it "workplace violence" or whatever, why the fuck didn't she go to the police? Was she shy? Ashamed? Come on, James Deen is a scumbag but I'm not buying the rape allegation here.
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>>73328429
>Get raped
>Call police
>Have bruises, vagina tearing and semen
>Guy gets arrested
SO HARD TO PROVE

>inb4 "but some girls are too lazy to call the police"
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>>73334443
Oh, and then there's the favorite
"She secretly didn't like it until about halfway through then she started to like it, but afterwards changed her mind again so it was rape"
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>>73327464
Yes you can as in it can be a crime?
Or
Yes you can as in she has no defense?
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>>73331777
>>>/lgbt/
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>>73327175
fuck that kike
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>Never believe women when they say they were raped by white men
>Always believe women when they say they were raped by brown people

Make up your mind, your women are getting confused and resentful. This is why the right fails every time.
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>raping a pornstar

more like a robbery
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>>73327175
I had a false sexual assault accusation made against me where a girl claimed I molested and then beat her up, none of it was true but rather than going to the police she told all my friends about it, then months later she started going "woops wasn't true."
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>>73334686
piss off to your own ghetto
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>>73327175

Had some girl claim I "tried" to rape her once. Didn't go to the cops, didn't report to the university, just blabbed to her friends about it. Felt kinda bad man. Stupid too - if I had tried to rape her, I would've succeeded. All because I was nice enough to let her sleep in my bed once. Women these days... Sad!
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>>73334686
Gays aren't welcomed over there. It's a tranny board.
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>bitch acts like she's smart
>she sucks dick for a living
>many grammatical errors in her blog
>expects to be taken seriously
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>>73327175
I'd let her war crime me all day
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>I began to realize that more than being a private bond, my relationship with James was a public performance, and in time, I grew uneasy.
>So I kept working with him, and we kept dating.
>Social media seemed to be the most appropriate and only real option.
>I worried the company I co-own with Kayden Kross would suffer.
>Significant companies responded, and they did so swiftly.

Let's remember at this point that not only were they "dating" but they also worked (fucked each other) together. Sounds more like she wasn't happy at getting her share of the payday tbqfhf
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>>73329447
>>73330412
Agreed. Why does the input of these other businesses matter in court? I'm sorry sir, the results are conclusive and indicate that you are retarded.
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>Have bruises, vagina tearing and semen
That would be rape.

What we are discussing here and have been discussing for some years now has has never been rape. It was a discussion of "rape"
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>>73332829
Generally yes. They are bad people.
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>>73340070
forgot to hit the reply button>>73334443
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