Are historical shooter games inherently immoral?
I always played FPS but now that I think of it, isn't it ethically wrong to make an enjoying activity out of the death and suffering out of dozens of thousands that died in a conflict?
no it's not
you're not actually killing people it's just a fucking game
>>73311383
Why just video games? Is it ethically wrong to be enjoying a book, or a film, or a play about wars?
>>73311442
>you're not actually killing people
I think a more accurate metaphor would be you're holding a rave party on their graves.
>>73311383
hahaha LMAO u got pwnd or somethng kid?
>>73311568
Someone got out of his igloo
>>73311383
I have had that thought before, it feels kind of weird to play waw when I've had relatives fight there in the Pacific
>>73311568
Sod off, penguin.
no it is not ,but I am sure dice will manage to make it shallow and boring even with a "diverse" cast
>>73311568
>shitposting from an arctic research station
How much do they pay you to do that?
>>73311568
France, is that you?
>>73311562
it's not an accurate metaphor
you're not celebrating their death
>>73311383
>morality in video game
Are you fucking retarded or something?
>>73311383
there fucking pixels you idiot
Code that represents an image.
holy fuck you people are retarded
>>73311891
Strawman. My metaphor does not mention you are celebrating their death.
>>73311568
Bonjour
>>73312042
well then
why would holding a party on someone's grave be wrong in the first place? the dead dont' have feelings anyway
>>73311568
I wonder what the flag looks like once you scrape the snow off.
>>73311568
'rare' doesn't even begin to describe it
>>73311383
Wouldn't that make RTS genre way more evil?
>>73311886
Underrated
>>73311568
Who gave the fucking penguin a computer?
>>73312042
then rephrase completely what you've meant, because i assumed what other poster have assumed, but you discarded it all
>enjoy nerd shit like video games and cartoons
>these get slowly taken over by prog entryists
>gradually stop using them out of disgust
>realize in hindsight how stupid those passtimes were, even before they were co-opted
Anyone else gone through this process?
>>73311999
They're* fucking atoms you idiot.
Code that represents an object.
Holy fuck you people are retarded.
>>73311886
>>73312067
We really are the same, aren't we?
>>73312331
Disrespecting the dead is a sign of lack of intelligence.
>>73311568
Adolf?
>>73311568
PK, Penguin King?
No, but it is Jewish propaganda.
I still expect a German based game.
>>73312674
and why is disrespecting the dead worse compared to disrespecting the living?
>>73311882
Guys what the hell are y'all talking about? That's the French flag.
>>73312537
The analogy is that enjoying playing video games about hundreds of thousands of people who suffered trough hell and sacrificed their lives for their countries is like holding a rave party in a graveyard.
>>73312674
Nobody respects the dead, it's selective respect. Especially here.
>>73311383
The only thing that disgusted me was the dubstep cover of the White Stripes.
> Hey sound designer, how do we make the Great War, a war that has been described as unglorious and horrific, sound cool and marketable?
> Just slap some dubstep on top mate
>>73312838
This is the second strawman you made, I'm beggining to think you have a lesser cognitive disorder. He never said anything about disrespecting the living, even less said it's worse or better.
>>73313042
Why do you think it's immoral to portray a historical setting in a video game? Do you consider war movies to be immoral?
>>73312902
>>73311383
I had a similar thought while playing cod:WaW.
Having a pretty good understanding of WW2 History mowing down waves of German soldiers and later German SS was actually making me a little uncomfortable. Germans reduced to shooting gallery targets. The whole "its okay to kill the Germans in the most Brutal and Inhumane ways possible because they are evil!" maymay.
They painted the Soviets as the saviors of Europe, or at least captured what the Soviets truly believed pretty well.
Germans are some of the most misunderstood soldiers, people in the world today. All thanks to Western propaganda, demonizing, and demoralization.
>>73313042
said the guy who thinks that playing videogames is like holding a party in a graveyard
how am i disrespecting the dead by playing a videogame about them? how it is ethically or morally wrong?
>>73311383
>inherently immoral?
depends what you consider immoral, if you dont like it then dont do it... simple as that
>>73311383
test
>>73312944
how so?
>>73313268
Same here. After learning the horrors of war playing Call of Duty is rather uncomfortable.
>>73313272
It's not exactly the same thing, but it's the same principle. You're having fun at the price of disrespecting the dead.
>how am I disrespecting the dead by playing a videogame about them? How is it ethically or morally wrong?
Oh, I see. You're the "defensive questions type". I know your type well.
Regardless, you're expected to honour, remember and praise the deeds of those who fought for your country, who went trough hell and gave their lifes so that 100 years later you'd turn into a degenerate weaboo shitposting on a forum full of skinheads.
To these people, you're expected to behave civilizedly, in accordance to what normal people would do. You're expected to bow down your head and honour the fallen. To regard, salute, remember, esteem, tribute, venerate their deeds and achievements. That is to recognize what people have done for you, that is to respect the dead.
By playing videogames you're ultimately ridiculizing the experience of countless millions of people who saw death with their own eyes. People who died affixiated by gas, who got deaf because a mortar took the life of their dearest friend right in front of them, people who lost an arm or a leg, or perhaps two, being runned over the tracks of a tank. You're making all this seem irrelevant, or even worse, a mere tool so you can unlock the next achievement or rank up another level.
Have you ever been to a funeral?
>>73313268
>he doesn't think its okay to kill the Germans in the most Brutal and Inhumane ways possible because they are evil!
You disappoint me comrade.
>>73312544
Yes and I lost a fuck ton of weight and started to go to raves instead
>>73314079
>Regardless, you're expected to honour, remember and praise the deeds of those who fought for your country
So it's not disrespectful, you are honoring and remembering them.
Just like how the ancient romans would recreate historical battles in the arena
>>73314079
>By playing videogames you're ultimately ridiculizing the experience of countless millions of people who saw death with their own eyes. People who died affixiated by gas, who got deaf because a mortar took the life of their dearest friend right in front of them, people who lost an arm or a leg, or perhaps two, being runned over the tracks of a tank. You're making all this seem irrelevant, or even worse, a mere tool so you can unlock the next achievement or rank up another level.
You play video games in a fucked up way then
>>73311568
I Thought we had a copyright on that flag
>>73314079
I don't consider disrespectful and further more you should probably know it is not unusual for actual veterans or military advisors to collaborate in the developing of war videogames. if they don't consider those videogames harmful to their honour why should I?
>>73311999
I don't agree with OP but that is one retarded argument. Also at least check your grammar when you call someone an idiot, idiot.
>What wrong with CP? They're fucking pixels you idiot.
>>73312331
I hope you die.
>>73312544
Yup. The only game I can really get into anymore is Fallout 4, and I've already beaten it. I just wander and kill things.
I've got to find a new hobby or something.
>>73315404
we're all gonna die salty moralfag
>>73311999
Wouldn't it be an image that represents code?
>>73315626
Good one immoralfag
>>73311383
>watching bad CGI models fall over is immoral
ok m8
>>73312331
Having a party on someone's grave isn't disrespectful to the dead, only to the people who visit that grave, and only if they find celebration to be offensive.
Cemeteries aren't there for dead people, they're there for the living.
>>73315431
Or maybe you should play less shitty games.
>>73311383
>isn't it ethically wrong to make an enjoying activity out of the death and suffering out of dozens of thousands that died in a conflict?
No
It's literally the only thing keeping the west from civil war, it's meant to satiate man's natural bloodlust.
Yes they are violence simulators but simulation death is way better than millions going postal
>>73315404
Found the dirty Juden loving Christian
Someone post a picture of that fucking knight with a machine gun!!
Is it wrong to read a book base don a historical event because it fictionalizes the lives and deaths of real people? No it's not and neither is this or any other game.
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>>73313268
Germans in the CoD games aren't really portrayed as anything besides theopposing force. In WaW they showed the Japs and to a lesser extent the Russians being especially brutal.
Wolfenstein The New Order really does the eeeeevil nazis thing and has an entire muh holocaust level (with mechs and everything)
>>73315805
Any suggestions, or is anything released in the past 10 years "shitty" to you?
>>73317709
Do they make sure to drill the 6M number in your head the entire level, and tell you about how evil Auschwitz was, and all that?
Oh, that reminds me. I was listening to 1010 WINS recently and they had some kind of advertisement for something Jewish related, and they repeated the 6 million number for the Holocaust (I think it was a remembrance museum or something), and once I heard them spouting the 6 million lie, I lost the desire to listen to that station anymore. It's crazy how far their influence stretches.
>>73311383
>isn't it ethically wrong
Why do people correlate video games and ethics? Video games are just fucking video games, its about how much fun you have; not how you are having compared to the rationality of reality, such as ethics.
Which don't exist in video games besides a plot point to drive the plot, like in COD:MW2 when to gun down all the civilians in the Airport in "No Russian". It does not mean anything, but people make a big ass deal out of it any how. Its not like they are real people being gunned down. If anything, the mission did its original goal of being fun, causing chaos and slaughtering many characters in a massive battle with plenty of destruction on a pretty well done map.
Unless your game is meant to be "educational", which most of the main-stream games are, don't try to equate ethics and video games. Its just simply retarded.
>>73319321
>Which most main-stream games are not*
are not*
Correction there.
>>73311568
Hello penguin poster, how's it going.
>>73319321
What's your opinion on music, then? Do you think that music about rape, killing, drugs and sex are fine as long as you can bump to it?
>>73319651
Its just fucking music, if you get turned on by that shit and/or take it seriously, you probably lost all objective sight of reality.
>>73318390
There's no 6trillion meme, but you do have to escape an oven at one point. It's a giant incinerator that burns lots of bodies at once though, unlike the small magic ovens you'd find in a real concentration camp.
>>73311383
who cares pussy faggot
>>73311383
>ethically wrong
on what basis?
utilitarianism?
it doesn't hurt anyone. war veterans aren't SJWs who get offended by everything
they don't give a shit if there's a game about the war they fought in
>>73311568
WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T LET THAT DOG INTO THE OUTPOST! LET THE CRAZY NORWEGIAN GUY ON THE HELICOPTER SHOOT AND BURN IT.
>>73317709
That's the thing with Wolfenstein you leaf.
It's not a serious game. It never was. Look at the fucking original game, every room was a swastika and the final boss was a fucking Mecha Hitler.
>>73311568
reminder that all of Antarctica is rightful British snow
>finally get my World War 1 game
>AYO HOLLUP
>*SUCKS AIR*
>AYY U B SAYIN
>*SMACKS LIPS*
>SO U B SAYIN
>DADDA AWWCHDUKE BE KEELT? SHEEEIIT
Alright...
>>73311383
>battlefield ww1 game
>Battlefield: The Great War
>names it battlefield 1
>>73320488
U SAYING WE WON WW1 NIGGA?
SHIEEEEET
>>73320488
lol!
>>73311383
Is that Ottoman or German Soldier?
>>73311568
someone took path of light too seriously
>>73320488
Anyone translate?
I have no idea what the fuck does the last text mean
>>73311383
We've been doing it with WWII for decades and that was a much greater tragedy in terms of loss of human life.
>>73320791
Well the guy with the gun is carrying a T-Gewehr only used by Germany so I guess German.
>>73311568
witnessed
>>73311568
fucking penguin niggers ruining this board.
>>73311806
>igloo
Igloos were built by the inuits, Goldstein.
>Get asked for Battlefield 1
>They open the present
>It's Battlefield 1942
"You said you wanted Battlefield 1 so I got you the first one!"
>>73321328
this is a repurposed xbox joke
>>73311886
Yep
>>73311568
THAT FLAG
IT'S SO RARE
>>73311568
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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>>73311568
HOLY FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
>>73311568
The only rarer flag is the one in the Moon base
>>73312476
Definitely. Rome 2 total war has slavery mechanics. In Empire: Total war you can literally make cotton plantations in the deep south and in Florida. The text description for the plantations explicitly mentions slaves.
They made games that shamelessly lets you profit from historically accurate slave labor.
>>73311568
Fuck off, PK
>>73311383
>historical
I have seen nothing historically accurate yet.
>>73311568
RARE
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>>73311568
>shitposting from antarctica
>>73321022
HOL UP
YOU BE SAYING DAD FERDINAND BE ASSASSINATED IN SHEIT
>>73311568
>Antarctica
>>73311568
WITNESSED
>>73311383
>Inherently immoral
Sensitive twat
>>73311568
how to derail
>>73311568
whew, that's rare
>>73311568
A FUCKING PENGUIN
Thanks for the flag though, holy fuck
>>73311383
people dying is a fact of life, you shouldn't shelter yourself from that fact
>>73311568
>nazis shitposting from their secret antarctic base
>MUH MORALS
>>73311568
>Antarctica
Penguin or Ayy?
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>>73311568
nigga, what?
>>73311383
Not hurting anyone other than those needlessly considering the dead as untouchable characters and really, those offended.
>>73311568
>PK
get od'd dutchnigger
>>73311568
I DONT EVEN KNOW HOW TO REACT TO THIS BANT
>>73311568
FRANCE
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>>73311806
>never seen PK
Literal proof reddit has taken over ever since r/TheDonald
>>73311383
Funny how a war where teenagers went fighting for their country and the freedom of its people to later be represented in a game as basically disposable tissues.
>>73311383
>gas mask
>in the fucking desert
Yeah okay.
>>73311568
RARO
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>>73317709
What's the holohoax level called? I'd like to see it, tried playing the game but my pc ran it like shit
>>73311383
>tank gewehr
>Brit
>>73323976
Is PK a legend here?
>>73312331
why is necrophilia bad its not like they're gonna feel anything
So can you guys appreciate games for what they are regardless of political agenda? After getting redpilled on lots of topics I didn't really get triggered like most stormfags about things like Wolfenstein and anything involving ebul nazis, or ebul white men. Sure it's annoying, but at least I know the truth, right?
>>73324571
you make me angry.
>>73324583
He's a dutch proxyfag that developed (or took part in) the extra flag extension, and posts every so often with rare flags to get tones of (you's). It's honestly pretty funny but it jsut goes to show how many newfriends have streamed in
>>73324721
please elaborate
>>73324631
Nazi games are fun regardless
>tfw can't support wolfenstein and has to pirate it because it's banned in Israel
>>73311383
>tanks
>gas masks
>not western front
>>73311383
How fast is this tank going to go????
>>73324747
>implying we are not giving him (You)s willingly
>>73324915
>it's all le ruse
I wish
>>73325056
same desu
Playing historical shooters on any difficulty but very hard is dishonoring the dead.
> battlefield 1
> historical
Pick one
>>73325243
yes, because back in the day it took a full magazine of bullets to kill a man
>>73311383
>presumably British soldier using a Tank Gewehr
Absolutely triggered.
>>73325457
Good games like stalker have higher bullet damage on higher difficulties.
I don't think so really. WWII games really got me intrigued and I probably wouldn't have read as much as I have about the war if I hadn't of played games like brothers in arms, all the old cod games and world at war. I wish my Grandad was still alive to tell me about it because I was young when he died, he was with the navy transporting prisoners of war or something similar I think and my great uncle fought in Africa
>>73324841
What do you mean ?
>>73311568
Penguins shit posting. Never change /pol/
>>73313032
If there is one thing dice is the best at, its sound design. I can't wait to hook up my Xbox tom my stereo system and get shell shocked from artillery barrages on the war tapes setting.
>>73314079
So?
The mere fact we've invaded like 6 countries in the past 15 years shows that Americans and the west in general could not give a fuck about people dying
Western ideology is p much nihilism tbqh
>>73323976
>Proxy King
I'm an avid flag collector and don't give a shit if it's a proxy or not, it's still rare as fuck!
>>73311568
>all these newfags not recognising PK
wow summer came early
How could I not enjoy killing nazis?
>>73311383
I only intend to play as the central powers in Battlefield 1 and kill ANGLOs so it's cool
>>73311568
HOLY FUCK WHAT THE FUCK
tfw no vidya about purging commie scum and serving under based Franco
;_;
>>73311383
Despite it's flaws, at least this game potrays the soviets as the treacherous fucks they actually were.
And you can play as the wermacht or "oberkommando" (SS) without muh eternal guilt.
>>73311568
WHAT IS THIS.
WHAT IS MY LIFE.
TELL ME YOU'RE GOING TO BRING BACK THE REICH.
