Scientists estimate at least 100 BILLION intelligent civilizations have evolved prior to us.
>even if we estimate only 1 single intelligent civilization per galaxy
>that would still amount to a few billions of intelligent civilization
ARTICLE LINK
http://futurism.com/proof-aliens-definitely/
Two scientists from the University of Rochester and the University of Washington have developed an “archaeological form” to the famous Drake equation, which will allow us to determine how many technological civilizations have formed in the history of the universe. And it seems there may be a number of them.
>>73269709
Why don't they take in any of the refugees then?
>>73269824
>intelligent
>>73269709
>>73269742
>They eliminated the second term by calculating the odds against humankind being the only advanced civilization in the universe; and they dismissed the third by formulating a “cosmic archaeological question”—how often does intelligent life evolve throughout cosmic history?
And how did they do this? Nice bullshit.
>>73269709
>>73269742
You understand how fucking stupid this is right? There is no actual data for them to work with.
>>73269986
>how often does intelligent life evolve throughout cosmic history?
panspermia is the answer
>>73269824
What part of intelligent civilization do you not understand?
http://waitbutwhy.com/2014/05/fermi-paradox.html
>>73270031
Yeah, as long as you can prove that it exists. So far we couldn't find any traces of life on other planets. You would think that if it was true, then the seeds of life would fall not just on Earth, but on neighboring planets too.
>>73270092
The answer to why we are not able to see or hear anything from other civiilizations in the universe is: Time
We are trapped in huge time differences. A million years is nothing in terms of the universe, and yet its enough for a civilization to be born and die again, repeat and rinse, we could be right now in a phase where there is nothing around because everything has died out OR is currently evolving from primitive species
>further proof that aliens are definitely out there
>proof
Where is this proof?
>>73270167
Didnt we find those traces already on mars and on moons of saturn?
>Alien Intellectuals
>>73269709
Theyre already here, theres hundreds of legit UFO cases, amd governmwnt around the world are releasing their X Files. For some reason theyre mostly interested in our nuclear stockpiles.
http://www.siriusdisclosure.com/evidence/countries-releasing-ufo-information/
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-ufo-idUSL2979618020061229
>>73270269
...No.
>>73270302
we already foudn the traces, look
http://news.discovery.com/space/alien-life-exoplanets/mars-life-viking-landers-discovery-120412.htm
I think panspermia happens everywhere
Nice post but please get another flag.
>>73270027
This. Drake Equation and any derivative thereof is absolute Psychology-tier trash.
>>73270745
> any derivative thereof
What about the planets in the habitable zone research? It gives enough sample size
>>73269709
if that's the case we are royally fucked if we don't become the literal Imperium of Man like in warhammer 40k
>>73270299
>for some reason
If ayyliens exist they probably see us with nukes like we see a monkey playing with a hand grenade.
>>73269709
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox
okay.
>>73270745
Drake equation itself is fine. It's only when people try to solve it by using unsubstantiated hypotheses that things get silly.
>>73270852
>implying space leftists won't just import xeno filth "refugees" fleeing their war torn worlds only for their parasitic larvae to infest our human females
>>73270975
THEY WON'T SURVIVE A DAY IN THE IMPERIUM AND WILL BE EXTERMINATED FOR HERESY
>>73270299
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F0tg4E4CU70
>>73270092
Think of darwinism and the progression of human civilization as it has occurred. It has been a struggle for dominance since the beginning of history. With the advent of increasing technology there is now the real possibility of human extinction through warfare. And we have only hit this level of technology in a brief time period.
So if other extraterrestrial civilizations have occurred they probably ended up the same way we will. By destroying ourselves.
what sort of anime will they have or had?
what about catgirls?
>>73270167
Other planets can have life but not intelligent life.
>>73270913
This.
>>73271120
Civilizations probably are separated by enormous distance and time.
Aliens hundreds of millions of years ahead of us would be simply incomprehensible to us.
>>73270299
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5G1bSDUElfA
>>73270913
You should punch yourself.
>>73270299
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7A251mIx76Y
>>73271366
This
I say that civilizations are already in contact with us and have been since the Cold War. Don't stop reading my post, listen. If an intelligent civilization were searching for intelligent civilizations to contact, what would they look for first? They would develop instruments to detect nuclear explosions so that they could intervene before the other civilization destroyed itself. THey would look for everything else as well but that would be their priority.
So we have a vast, vast explosion of UFO sights by army, air force, and private pilots and officers during the Cold War. Were they all lying? We have former high ranking officials from numerous nations, astronauts, generals, saying alien exist. It isn't cooky, its reasonable.
>>73270167
>So far we couldn't find any traces of life on other planets
We have found several phenomena that defy explanation and could be signs of mega-engineering.
Hyper-velocity stars traveling out of galaxy, swarms of black holes with jets oriented in same direction...We also found signs of what could be Dyson Spheres.
http://home.fnal.gov/~carrigan/infrared_astronomy/Other_searches.htm
More recently several other searches have been conducted for partial Dyson Spheres. Globus, Backman, and Witteborn have searched by looking for a temperature/luminosity anomaly due to the fact that the luminosity of a star surrounded by a partial Dyson sphere would be lowered compared to a naked star of the same temperature. Conroy and Werthimer have searched by constraining the Jugaku infrared excess technique to older stars using a list of 1000 nearby older stars compiled by Wright and Marcy. Using older stars eliminates thick dust clouds around young stars. They also correlate with the rich K band near-infrared ground based data from 2MASS. They have found 33 candidates in the 12 μm IRAS band with 3 σ excesses from the mean.
>>73269709
They're all holograms and demons
>>73269709
>New Zealand Space Agency
Were they the Jews all along?
>>73269709
Completely rubbish estimates based on no data whatsoever. We have never found any evidence of life on other planets, so we can't tell how many there are.
>>73270975
Not if Ordo Xenos has anything to say about that.
>>73269709
>at least 100 BILLION
Bullshit. Odds are, there's no more than 10 other intelligent SPECIES in the entire universe.
>>73271422
>Don't stop reading my post,
Too late
>>73271565
No. There are an estimated 200 billion galaxies in the Universe.
Assume only 1 Civilization at our current technological level per galaxy.
Do the math
>>73270299
Arizonas governor commenting on the pheonix lights
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9QUYjegE2mw
>>73271422
Does that explain the sudden quantum leap in Space tech during the 50s?
>>73269709
Ayyy lmaos are too far anyways, space is retardedly huge.
>>73271627
I know, I didn't ask you to keep reading, back to my toilet m8
>>73271441
Whatever happened to that presumed Dyson sphere which made the news recently?
>>73271790
We can't explain the phenomenon so it might still be a dyson sphere
>>73271441
>Hyper-velocity stars traveling out of galaxy
Dude its like they ummm strapped rockets to a star and shit. Pass the weed.
>>73271441
>swarms of black holes with jets oriented in same direction
Dude what if you like, glued some black holes together with their jets pointing the same way, man. Would be like a bitchin jacuzzi IN SPACE!
>>73271441
>Dyson sphere
Man, what if... what if you took the spectral uh emission, and compared it to like the uh, luminosity, and if it doesnt match other stars then DUDE totally a dyson sphere, just like in star trek
woah
>>73271691
Could be, although there's no real way to know. It could be that they came at the same time as we developed those advances ourselves and they stuck around because we advanced so quickly. Human ingenuity shouldn't be dismissed.
>>73271850
>We can't explain the phenomenon so it might still be a dyson sphere
This is the only confirmed dyson sphere, sorry to burst your bubble
Everything and anything exists, dummy scientists pulling numbers out of their arses to keep plebs excited.
>(((Scientists)))
>>73269709
Too bad we've never left this planet.
>>73271971
I never said it was confirmed. Maybe you aren't that good at English yet my mexican alien friend
>>73270299
Retired Iranian airforce general speaks about his experiences with UFOs as a young pilot
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KJydT3AZ370
>>73272031
He is from reddit, ignore him
>>73270871
In the grand scheme of things, nukes are pathetically weak weapons.
It's much easier to end mankind with a genetically engineered super-plague.
>>73271641
Multiply that with the odds of an intelligent species evolving in one Galaxy, which are like 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999 to 1.
Then you've got much saner numbers, somewhere around one in infinity. Ayyliums aren't real. Deal with it.
>>73272031
AChtung achmed! Dont be such a klugscheisser.
>>73271524
>>73270183
Basically this, we don't know what the evolution of civilization looks like past the singularity, and whether it achieves equilibrium.
Maybe all civilizations have a brief period like we are now and then they get absorbed into their own AIs and disappear, and the civilization sized AI construct goes and shifts into a different level of reality and that is where all the "aliens" are. Apex predators the size of civilizations who consume those that birthed them, and they are what survives and forms a "galactic civilization"
They keep themselves hidden with their shadows appearing as dark matter, not revealing themselves to us because they are waiting for us to give birth to their future "brother" who incidentally will consume us to make its final metamorphosis and the others don't want us to find out
>>73270269
lol
>>73272035
Declassified reports on the Tehran Ufo incident
>>73269709
other scientists think we are alone in the universe...relax, anon, there is much yet to discover
>>73272130
Dude, just like in my animes.
woah
>>73272073
We found hundreds of planets in the habitable zone in the last years in our galaxy only, by examining only a few thousand solar systems. The odds that at least one of them spurs intelligent life is pretty good.
>>73272035
Classified report page 2
>>73271979
this
>muh guvament funds, we need popularity
>>73270745
"Psychology-tier trash"
I'm guessing you're one of those 'just man up pussy' type Aussies ay?
>>73269709
>Scientists estimate
I never understood why people got excited over shit like this.
>>73269909
>>73270080
Then they must pay for every refugee they refuse to take!
>>73269709
You can't really calculate anything like that until you figure out how life started on Earth or find it on another planet.
There is only 1 sentient lifeform on Earth and every creature shares a common ancestor.
Why aren't there more sentient beings on earth and why didn't life start independently several times instead of just the single common ancestor?
>>73272035
DeClassififed report page 3
intergalactic war when?
>>73269709
And one third of them are part of the fallen hosts.
>>73272187
>>73272212
wow, that fuzzy text and chicken scratchings and use of the word "confidential" several times, sure has me convinced!
>>73272130
I think its even more strange than this. Even archetypes in the human mind could be the emanations of vastly ancient species. We really know little at the moment.
>>73272272
so we should star building a death star?
>>73272130
Considering the time span of the observable universe, I wouldn't be surprised if instead of ancient civilizations looking outwards towards the stars, they reach inwards as they reach singularity. It's more plausible to believe that colonization is a primitive ideology.
>>73272287
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OfwgrelYirs
Sargeant James penniston speaks about his experiences with UFOs at the National press club
>>73271889
This.
>>73272196
At least they think about it in abstract terms and aren't some autists who blindly believe ayyliums are real.
>>73272203
What were the odds that we evolve?
>>73269709
FEAR NOT, THE EMPEROR PROTECTS
>>73272232
Uh oh, we have ourselves a pussy over here.
UFOs are man made. Don't fall for the hollywood jewery
>>73269742
>“archaeological form” to the famous Drake equation
That equation does not work.
It fails to take into account ideas beyond human perception.
What if all species died out due to their inability to cope with their change?
You know, like how humanity is struggling with technological change.
First we must conquer technology and improve ourselves as humans.
Then when "gerontocracy" becomes a problem (due to increased age expectations) we must figure out a way to stop the elders from destroying the rest of humanity.
In indigenous cultures here, the elders are the ones with best know-how of surviving and control their tribes.
At the same time, they learnt to recognise the limits that experience brings and endorse youthful revolution.
Then white people came and they clearly had better means than indigenous people (which indigenous people foolishly chose to ignore, rather than adapt to)
>>73269709
>>73272407
Very advanced species would make contact through psychic means, if those exist. There are studies which suggest they do. If we've made contact before physically (seems like we have), they were probably basically A.I. drone armies sent to all civilizations to prevent self-extinction that could've been sent out a hundred thousand years before their civilization reached the point they are now.
>>73269709
just send me to the anime planet senpai
>>73272287
It was released by the government as a result of the freedom of information act. It was written by
Captain Henry S. Shields
https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Tehran_ufo_1976_2.jpg
Someone's gotta be the first. Bunch of defeatist faggots saying "oh well if floating brains and tentacle people couldn't do it then neither can we. gg go home it's over lets just die". I will end all of you slackjawed assholes right after I finish fingerbanging the queen of the tentacle people right in her goddamn beak while the king of the brains gives me brain. Manifest Destiny isn't over yet, pansies.
>>73272453
>What were the odds that we evolve?
Were already evolving. Humans are growing taller due to more nutrition compounded over generations. Recently were going through puberty earlier due to chemical exposure. Also the mixing of populations is blending everyone into a tall early pubescent brown skinned mess.
>>73272407
We're already experiencing this, as our grandfathers looked up and dreamed of traveling to the stars while we all are looking down into our smartphones and dreaming of being more deeply connected to the Internet so that the memes could flow through us like our own blood
not with a bang but with a whimper
Given the limitations of civilisations only appearing sporadically over tens of millions of years, on the other hand why hasn't a civilisation achieved that level of tech and foresight to intergalactic travel and search for other concurrent intelligent life and found it thus overcoming the eventuality of catastrophic destruction of their home system?
>>73269709
NO XENO SCUM WILL EVER TAINT MOTHER TERRA
>>73272203
>intelligent life
I firmly believe that life could very well be abundant in the universe. However, intelligent life might be more tricky. Just take a look at the evolution from a prokaryote cell to modern day humans, nearly 4 billion year show. Considering the age of the universe that is not a long time.
>>73272650
>Were already evolving
Yeah, but what if it hadn't happened that one moment it started? Would you bet, knowing what you know, that on Mars for example there'll be an intelligent civilization evolving in the next half of the age of the universe?
No, you wouldn't, because the odds are tiny, almost infinitely non-existant.
>>73272666
I would say they have. We just dont know what happens when you reach the singularity, what happens when you evolve higher into reality?
>>73269709
>100,000,000,000
I'm not surprised. Considering how old the universe is estimated to be, there's no way we could have been the first and likely won't be the last, unless some improbable universe-wide cataclysm hits within the next hundred thousand years or so.
Anyway, how many intelligent civilizations have rose up across the universe isn't important. What's important is how many of those have self-destructed due to their own hubris, or other internal factors. A shame we'll never know, but judging by our own problems down here on Earth, I'd say every civilization runs into these problems at least once or twice in their species' existence.
>>73272746
Considering the number of planets though, the number does move up.
The likelihood that they're nearby, that's probably the problem.
>>73270299
Pilot Captain Ray Bower talks about his experiences with UFOs.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-yNqQUh24cg
>>73272746
Humans didnt need 4 billion years to evolve from primates to what we are today. We needed aprox 200 million years. Thats a blink of a eye in the sheme of the grand things.
>>73272794
>what happens when you evolve higher into reality
>>73272852
>sheme of the grand things
>evolve higher into reality
If I ridicule you, I'll give you legitimacy.
/pol/ don't believe what people tell you about these kind of things. Think for yourselves.
>>73272854
I worded it wrong.
>What happens you reach higher reality realms?
Singularity and the prolongation of life time might open the door to inwards things we cant imagine right now.
>>73271422
Yes man. I concur, the cold war also operated as a good cover to blame/credit the other side with having superior tech, round a time of UFO sighting booms.
It only takes one sighting to be real.
However standard epistemological methods can't really be applied to something with such high straneness. Hence why science just wont go there, because the current models we believe in physics would crumble in the face of new evidence.
>>73270299
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvhi7HoUfwM
>>73269709
It's literally impossible to accurately estimate this.
Whatever scientists did this are meme scientists at best. It's just as reasonable to assume that we are the first intelligent species ever as it is to assume there were 1 billion.
You can't conduct an experiment with a sample size of one.
>''scientists''
They're not scientists. They're retards.
We don't know how many civilizations there are in the universe. We don't know.
It's anywhere from 1 to infinite.
Even if we find 10 civilizations in our own galaxy it doesn't mean that there are 10 civilizations in each galaxy. It could still be that there are only 10 planets in the entire universe that have life.
This type of ''science'' is just retarded.
>>73272926
>Think for yourselves.
Dont tell me what to do.
>>73269742
Drake equation has a lot of unknown values so anyone formulating another equation based of the DE for calculate something would have some massive margins of possible errors.
There could be 100 billion prior to us. Or there could be 100 quadrillion.
What we know is a basic timeline of when the big bang occurred and how long it took to cool down to a temperature in which planet formation is possible.
We have a basic timeline of how long dollars systems take to form, when the first stars where created, when the first planets were formed, when the correct amount of the basic elements for life were abundant.
We also have a very subjective timeline for the length of time needed for life to spring into existence given the right (subjective) conditions
Finally we have a very subjective understanding of how long the evolution process may take for life to evolve into high intellegent life.
Still a bunch of unknown values.
How often do these perfect conditions arise?
Can non carbon based life forms exist?
Can evolution occur in different circumstances?
How many planets exist in our subjective understanding of f the habitable zone?
Does some unforseen filter exist that essentially kills off evolution?
Too many unknowns.
We could be the only ones, or 1 of many.
>>73269709
>there are ayylmaos RIGHT NOW on this planet as there are humans in the Savannah.
>whenever an ayylmao drinks their equivalent of alcohol and is sighted by an earthling they have to pay a fine
>there are ayylmaos right now on 4chan shitposting
>there are ayylmaos who come here for sexual tourism like some women have a blacked fetish
>there ayylmaos right now on this thread denying they are here
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>>73272655
Makes sense.
By the time you could put a probe around the closest star we could build an ultra high resolution realtime physics simulation of a hundred thousand solar systems.
Exploring the very small scales of the cosmos will be where our future is.
>>73272187
>Iranian documents
>in English
Looks legit.
>>73269709
>born too early to shitpost with aliens
Why.
Can you imagine the banter?
>humans
>white
>>73272603
>Jesus and the Buddha were psychic channelers of an alien intelligence that was injecting carefully constructed species-level memes designed to prevent us from making ourselves extinct
Woah
>Mohammed was a weaponized version because somebody else is trying to kill us
Makes sense now
>>73272945
So you believe unlimited technological advancement (which is surely what you mean by 'Singularity') is going to to deliver a shortcut to enlightemnment/utpoia, just like LSD was supposed to do?
I would question the idea that technological advancement is unlimited.
>>73273065
>born too early to shitpost with aliens
what if...
you already are...
>>73272729
>>73273015
>How often do these perfect conditions arise?
This is a shit question, because
>Can non carbon based life forms exist?
this question is far more important. 'Perfect conditions' are likely to vary. I mean, here on Earth, we have things that can survive, and even thrive, in environments Humans couldn't dream. 'Perfect conditions' is a perfect demonstration of the kind of hubris Humans have that they think everything else in the universe has to play by the exact rules they grew by, and it's likely why we'll never live long enough as a species to find out if we're alone or not in the universe.
>>73273043
Back in 1976, before the iranian revolution, Iran was America ally in the region, and there were many US military personnels in Iran at the time since Iran was right next to the soviet sphere of influence. Iran was the front line in the cold war.
Thats why most of Iran old military hardware is American
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dlllJsK_bZc
>>73273172
It'll probably go down like this
I'm leaning towards the Zoo hypothesis everytime I see these reports of UFOs deactivating nuke missiles. It's about the same as a zookeeper intervening when they see the chimps have found the matches.
>>73273127
Our goal is to reach post-scarce economy, by evolving into a real type 1 civilization. Singularity will then just be a mile stone away.
>>73273107
>>Mohammed was a weaponized version because somebody else is trying to kill us
Dude, what if Mohammed was actually sent by the good alien AI and jesus/buddha were sent by the evil aliens. Damn.
We live in a simulation anyway
>>73269709
Imagine how many memes are out there untouched by human hands...
>>73269709
>believing in the intergalactic jew
>there's life outside of earth
i knew pol was dumb, but goddamn.
I'm not not dismissing the possibility of extraterrestrial life, but the ufos people are seeing are man made. The oligarchs are planing a fake alien invasion to get their new world order.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRvGXt1w-mA
100 billion isn't a lot considering how huge the observable universe is
>>73272666
There are tons of reasons why that is. I'm sure there are many times that amount of reasons that we cannot comprehend. The biggest reason that I can think of is:
They are scared that we would destroy their civilization. We are seen as radical, violent zealots who are still stupid enough to have religious wars (or maybe even religion at all) yet we have harnessed the power of the atom. Refer to the video of Africns giving a monkey an AK
>>73273285
>Our goal is to reach post-scarce economy, by evolving into a real type 1 civilization. Singularity will then just be a mile stone away.
Post-scarcity doesn't jive with capitalism so its definitely not "our" goal. Technologically it means we reach a point where AI develops past the point we can control or even understand it. And since google just made a bot that can beat the worlds top chinese checkers player, we are already getting to that point.
like holy shit bro, damn
>>73273424
>fake alien invasion
That's the biggest tinfoil hat I've seen in a long time. Impressive.
>>73270167
So far we don't even have the technology to even LOOK at exoplanets you dingus.
>>73270299
A testimony of a family who saw a spaceship during the pheonix lights event, a mass ufo sighting in Pheonix, Arizona
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4tbtkk9PDj8
More testimomies
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KaQBfgszbDU
>>73273234
>non-carbon based life
From what I understand carbon is quite unique chemically in the variety of compounds it can form and the only other element that comes close is silicon and silicon is still very inferior.
But perhaps the observable universe is not the entire universe.
on a different level of abstraction, who knows what exists. Who knows what all that dark matter and dark energy really is.
>>73273538
Yes, that's sure is a proof that life exists everywhere.
>>73272666
>on the other hand why hasn't a civilisation achieved that level of tech and foresight to intergalactic travel and search for other concurrent intelligent life and found it thus overcoming the eventuality of catastrophic destruction of their home system?
>666
Hey satan.
But yeah they probably are monitoring us already, and covering our tracks.
Why?
Because they must realise we're of use to them.
At the same time, we must realise they may be of use to us (but have not developed to a point where we are ready to make clear contact - though subversive contact may already exist without us realising)
>>73272794
>We just dont know what happens when you reach the singularity
I believe singularity already exists. We're already globalised to an extent.
At the same time, we divide the singularity in order to compete and learn from one another.
Aliens and ourselves are part of another singularity. We may already be learning from them, they may already be learning from us (like how we observe mammal behaviour)
fucking autist
>>73269709
This is why I have no fucking respect for science. this is pseudo science
>then
>out of all the planets and galaxies, isn't it incredible that earth is one of the very very very very few situations in which human life can sustain and flourish.
>now
>every galaxy has at least 1 if not more advanced civilizations that are on par or greater than our earth's civilization.
Oh fuck off, I'd wager this is complete bullshit, even the dumbest retard could just send well timed lazer signals infrequently to let other civilizations know they also exist.
I'm all about aliens and the possibility of other life far beyond our reach and shit but come the fuck on bill nye, this kind of shit doesn't even pass in your own faggot scientific method
>>73273402
That's another good point. I mean if you think about it, video games are the most primitive forms of a simulation. Once AI picks up and consciousness can be simulated (if it is even possible) we'll be able to create our own universes as our computing power reaches entropy. We'll be a self-fulfilling prophesy. A neverending fractal.
>>73273127
>I would question the idea that technological advancement is unlimited.
I would question the idea that our technology is advanced on an absolute scale.
We can't even maintain the nanomachinery that nature have built and put into our cells, and our idea of investigating particles is to bang then together really fast and try to see what shards come out. We use elements like lego bricks and don't really know what keeps them together in different configurations.
We're no where close to technological maturity. We're like a 8 year old that finds the tools around him and start to realize that he can use them to create. Whatever he creates will be the best thing he have ever done so far but he's nowhere near a level of competence and mastery that's possible.
>>73273494
haha faggot. I've actually seen a ufo up close. Please expose you're ignorance some more
>>73269709
No, that's impossible. Humans are the only intelligent beings.
>>73273127
>So you believe unlimited technological advancement (which is surely what you mean by 'Singularity') is going to to deliver a shortcut to enlightemnment/utpoia, just like LSD was supposed to do?
I completely disagree with this.
There is an infiniteness we are exploring. We can only be enlightened with respect to our previous ways of thinking.
We climb an endless ladder.
At the same time, that ladder shows us amazing things. The experience is incredible and yet terrifying.
>>73270299
Probably because they are thinking
>Oh gee what are the chances of those idiots killing themselves before they are enlightened enough to hold a conversation with us?
Or
>How good are they technology on this extremely dangerous material?
Or they are capable of detecting radiation and are for some reason interested on it.
>>73269709
>Some guys make a wild assumption and provide exactly zero evidence
This isn't science.
Anyone with a scientific background has to concede that obviously, if it happened on earth, given the amount of stars out there it HAD to happen somewhere else and odds are it happened many many times.
But you know what this proves? That FTL is impossible. That there will be no galactic civilizations. That humanity will live and die within the confines of the solar system and mainly on earth.
>>73273732
What scares me is that by today's standards, yes it is science.
One day you wake up and you'd swear the whole world was plotting against you to just be as dumb as fucking possible
>>73272407
>Not wanting to spread live troughout the universe and become The Aincients
>>73273281
>I'm leaning towards the Zoo hypothesis everytime I see these reports of UFOs deactivating nuke missiles. It's about the same as a zookeeper intervening when they see the chimps have found the matches.
So much this.
Though if those chimps start attacking the keepers.. we know what happens then.
We must learn from them before we even properly confirm their existence.
They will then learn from us like people learning from one another.
Another thing. I don't think the "ayyyyyliens" meme is too incorrect. I bet they might possibly have technical problems and crash here sometimes.
Or the way we trace them may fault for some reason unknown to us (and maybe even them)
>>73273644
>We can't even maintain the nanomachinery that nature have built and put into our cells
Maybe they cant in poland but here in the civilized world:
http://www.washington.edu/news/2016/04/07/uw-team-stores-digital-images-in-dna-and-retrieves-them-perfectly/
>>73273615
Calm down there, you fuckin' mong. If not for imagining the universe around us, and what you claim to be pseudo science, we wouldn't have actual science to begin with. Everything we know as fact now was pseudo science then.
I think we should be more concerned about surviving long enough as a civilization to find out if we were right or not, than concerning ourselves with how many civilizations there could possibly be/have been out there.
>>73273679
>haha faggot. I've actually seen a ufo up close.
Post proof or its as unbelievable that you've seen a vagina up close.
>>73273615
>This is why I have no fucking respect for science. this is pseudo science
Agreed.
The only way we can know about aliens is first by discovering how we behave and the memes that work with us.
>>73273751
Anyone with a scientific background has to concede this isn't science.
>>73273615
>send lazer signal
>lazer have light speed
>nearest solar system to us is 10 to 20 light YEAR away
>ONE Galaxy is million light years wide
>there is Billions of galaxies in our observable space
seriously, tell me, why are we even bother to speak to burgers again?
>>73270269
"didnt we already find aliens/biological material?"
Who started this non sense? 8/10 uniformed people will say this.
>>73273581
What that means is that we DON'T have proof that it doesn't, the closest star system is a few light years away (alpha centaury) and it'll take 20 years for us to reach it, and there could be a similar civilization there and we wouldn't even be capable of knowing.
Even more important even if we were able to take high definition shots of exoplanets we would often be seeing 100 years 10000 years in the past. What would we see if we looked at earth 200.000 years ago?
>>73273343
All religious icons are evil.
>>73273615
>some faggot "scientist" makes some dumb hypothesis
>wow wtf I hate science now
Kill yourself.
What a silly thread. This is all hypotheses with no facts at hand.
>>73269709
>click bait pop science
Piss off. If anything its more likely we're one of the few, or only intelligent living beings in the universe. The conditions for it are immensely hard to replicate.
>>73273751
>That FTL is impossible
They also used to say that flying was impossible.
>>73269709
Let me guess
WHITE MAN KILLED THEM ALL OFF
What a load of bologna
>>73273615
>I have no comprehension of the vastness of space: The post
>>73273843
There's a lot more than DNA transcription and translation going on in a cell.
If we could maintain all the machinery efficiently we would, you know, be biologically immortal and last I checked you murricans didn't have that.
We know of at least one.
>>73273843
This is an equivalent of a digital magic trick
It has nothing to do with our understanding of DNA. We only sort of know how it generally works. The mechanics of it is complete mystery or we'd be making completely new bacteria from scratch and shit. We aren't.
Same with the brain. Complete mystery. You watch too much epic weed science guy.
>>73273937
Well the road to discovery starts with questions.
And if we look at ourselves as an alien species, we may find a logical hypothesis to work on.
>>73269709
>intelligent
Guess we don't add up to the count
>>73273900
>seriously, tell me, why are we even bother to speak to burgers again?
Because we invented the internet and the website your are using, Achmed.
>>73273952
>being retarded
>not understanding fundamental laws of physics
>conflating an engineering problem to a problem of reality
>>73273933
>All religious icons are evil.
Are you balding? Most athiests seem to be lacking hair, just wanted to check my empiricism.
>>73273952
>heavier than air birds clearly flying around for millenia
>durr flyen impossibul
>nothing going faster than light was EVER observed
see the difference now? Maybe you will stop using this crap argument in the future.
>>73273751
You don't need FTL travel to colonize other planets. Sure, it will be very slow, but still entirely possible and the time that it will take is negligible compared to the age of our galaxy.
The truth, if you can handle it:
http://www.mediafire.com/download/8mkibd3gvictitb/UFO_abduction.zip
>>73273787
It's a stretch to call it anything really.
>2 guys have conducted a study in which they have proven that given how big the universe is and how old it is, they think some totes crazy has happened.
They haven't studied anything or provided any evidence. They haven't even come up with hypothesis to test. They haven't made any observations of any observable phenomenon.
It's really not science. Or at the very least it's "science" in the sense that Joe Rogan is a scientist.
>>73274030
all (YOU) invented is how to leave skid marks on your pants for your mom to wash
The speed limit of the universe is not light, it is gravity. Einstein was mistaken.
Based on what evidence? Isn't this just the "skeptic" non-religious version of fantasizing about transcendence?
>>73269824
why am i laughing so hard at this
>>73273999
>be biologically immortal and last I checked you murricans didn't have that.
One murrican does
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/45947/title/First-Data-from-Anti-Aging-Gene-Therapy/
´>>73274046
Current tech would allow us to accelerate at at least 20% of C (light) speed. Assuming you would be able to deaccelarate too, people flying on such a ship to alpha centaury would make it it only 35 years.
>>73269709
How is this politics?
>>73269909
Savage
>>73273920
>we don't have proof that it's wrong therefore the theory is right
You believe in God I take it.
>What would we see if we looked at earth 200.000 years ago?
That it's full of life.
>>73270299
Michio Kaku on the UFO phenomena
Short
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2pw13F7ahjY
Long
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vDOLkEq_KFs
>>73274089
Nothing is impossible. Everything has a loophole scientifically. The whole point of his argument is that you're retarded, and that everything was impossible at one point. Go back a hundred years and if you told someone we were able to store data in DNA and then perfectly retrieve it, you'd be laughed out of every scientific circle known to the world at the time.
>>73274213
Current tech allows to exceed the speed of light. The technology is called electrogravitics and it is still classified SCI.
>>73272241
>>73272241
underrated post
>>73274143
How hard is this to understand? You have a planet, this far away from a suitable star. This causes certain conditions on the planet. Conditions spark abiogenesis. Organisms develop.
Its even completely plausible this eventually gives rise to humanoid bipeds.
You're witnessing the evidence right now. It happened on earth. We haven't yet seen unique snowflake happenings in the universe so life is out there.
What obviously isn't is ayylmaos zipping between stars.
>>73273882
He's right. This isn't science.
"Imagining" something does it make it so you halfwit.
Curiosity and imagination might give you a direction in which to look and how to solve problems.
But this isn't even that, and it's not even imaginative.
>Well, gee, there's probably like a billion planets just like Earth out there, man, so like there could be a billion different versions of Who Let The Dogs Out lol
2 deep 4 me
>>73274127
Building and maintaining infrastructure is as important as the invention of it, really. We are composed of people who do that, immigrants aren't or they would have no reason to immigrate to enjoy what we collectively build. Your immigrants don't even want to work because they get paid to take up space.
>>73269709
So they have made an estimate based on 0 information? Useless.
Even if there was any the universe is so incomprehensibly big that no contact with or between these civilizations would ever happen. So thinking about what they might be like is merely a frivolous creative activity. Its mathemathically impossible that in such a big universe any contact could ever be made.
>>73274250
Kaku is a meme-tier scientist.
If you want a expert's opinion on UFOs pay attention to David M. Jacobs.
>>73274425
any one with half a brain cell can realize why ufos are bullshit
>>73274262
>Everything has a loophole scientifically.
Do you understand that if you so much as assume speed of light can be exceeded it literally breaks the universe? With it exceeded everything starts being retarded which is a fair indicator that it cannot be done.
Lightspeed is a rule around which this whole thing is literally built.
>inb4 muh space folding
>>73274014
My point was not that their hypothesis is unlikely, rather it was their hypothesis is no better than my very own
>>73274320
>This causes certain conditions on the planet. Conditions spark abiogenesis.
And we don't know what those conditions are and how frequent they are.
>>73274190
Even if immortality was achievable, the elites wouldn't release that info to the general much less commercialize it.
>>73274375
>"I'm retarded."
I'm so sorry, an-
>sees Australian flag
Par for the course. Nice try, straya.
>>73274178
Picturing all those dirty Muslims being launched into space makes me laugh too
>>73274490
Then I guess it's true what they say, Ireland is full of dumb drunks.
>>73270852
>>73271068
>>73271524
>>73272100
>>73272463
>>73272592
>>73272736
>>73273050
That feeling when you will never be a 7+ foot genetically bred war machine covered in heavy duty armor dispensing righteous death to xenos scum through the magnificent weapon that is known as a bolter.
Why even live.
>>73273882
Nah fuck you mate, scientists want to use the scientific method to "prove" the big bang theory and then just with open arms pretend there's a planet namek out there because "ey boi the universe is like, hella big" and then turn around and call creationists retarded because they can't use the scientific method to get godsc cell phone number but hey, we been studying and found some old fucking rocks that can point us in the direction of the big bang while we still have no idea or indication of any previous existance prior or even the forces to have caused such an event.
I liked to think the scientific community was autistic enough to be solely about facts, but then culture got involved and now it's a bunch of fedoras on both sides with holier than thou complexes
What if Earth is the Reddit of the Milky Way and all the UFOs are normalfag ayylmaos who were forcibly exiled by their plasmabeard government leaders and told to "go back to earth"
>>73274491
Muh space folding. Who's to say that we won't figure out how to make wormholes?
What about AI? Given that we're close to create artificial intelligence and as civillization we only exist for a little bit over 10 thosands of years, then universe should be already full of various artificial civilizations even if their creators already died out.
>>73274216
>How is this politics?
This is very relevant to politics.
We need to address any problems that alien life may bring.
At the same time, I think it's more likely that we'll have to reduce our problems in order to prevent us hindering them.
Like say your average refugee or african american or feminist that does not understand the problems their ideas address.
We need to address our problems, or they may have to lynch us.
>>73274573
>>73274491
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive
What do extraterrestrials know about afterlife?
>>73274190
You need more than telomere extension for biological immortality.
Telomeres are just a division failsafe, but it does nothing to all the junk that cells accumulate, the degeneration of their mitochondria, the stress-induced cell deaths and god knows what other age-related defects that are piling up.
Elongating telomers is like a new coat of paint on your car. Sure it might prevent rust, but if the tires are missing or the engine is shot it's not going to be much help for it.
>>73273751
I guess the counter to that would be as such.
If intelligent life is a common occurrence, why haven't we been visited?
>>73274491
>polan
>talking like he can into space
>>73274494
no, but that wasnt my point.
It clearly happens that way. Unscientific would be to assume that it only happened this once around a completely unremarkable star in a universe that holds so many stars you can't even imagine it. Probability.
>>73274537
if it is certain that 90% of ufo reports are total lies what is the big mental stretch for you to imagine that the final 10% are also false?
If you can prove it maybe I will believe it. Do you realize how incomprehensible small the earth is and how it is basically impossible for any civilization to find,its like trying to find a specific atom in a room.
>Believing in aliens
>implying they are not cosplaying fallen angels
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmNM_E3wt8c
>>73274249
Look what I was saying that there MAY be traces in other planets, but we don't have instruments to search for them.
>>73274320
>Its even completely plausible this eventually gives rise to humanoid bipeds.
Well actually we may only be like that because of the events that occurred on earth during our entire evolutionary history.
If they had a strange evolutionary mutation that made them say a blob or something, they may be VERY different to us.
At the same time, we might discover that humanoid bipeds are the only form allowing intelligent life to exist.
>>73274014
What's the question here?
There might have been intelligent life somewhere in the universe other than Earth.
TRULY A STAGGERING PROPOSITION, SURE TO ROCK THE SCIENTIFIC ESTABLISHMENT.
>>73274598
>Muh exotic matter,
EMdrives however look more promising by the day.
Stupid fucking idiots of this board.
Stick to memes guys.
ayy lmao
>>73274724
any recent news about it?
>>73274492
>My point was not that their hypothesis is unlikely, rather it was their hypothesis is no better than my very own
Correct.
Yet the vocal fool rambling ideas may be the one instigating the most important ideas.
>>73274634
We can't even estimate that probability until we find at least one another planet where life has developed independently. It could very well be that those conditions are so improbable that Earth is indeed the only habitable planet in the Universe.
>>73274491
>literally breaking the universe
The only time the universe gets retarded is when we're talking about immense gravity, i.e., singularities. Going faster than light only brings up very particular issues, like the immense passing of time in the rest of the universe that occurs in comparison to what you perceive, which would make FTL travel inconvenient and unconventional. Having even sub-light travel would be useful to explore and inhabit the solar system, while sending long-term expeditions to other, closer systems.
If you're going to do any kind of real long-distance space travel, figuring out wormholes would be the best path, and is likely why we don't see ayylmaos zipping around the universe. They go from point A to point B instantly.
>>73271441
>swarms of black holes with jets oriented in same direction
What the fuck?
>>73274387
>Let me tell you about your country
>>73274320
The small problem being that our sample size of sentient beings is 1, us. It's damaging to assume intelligent life is out there when the sample size is so low, it's laughable.
>>73274143
It's literally just stoned blabber by simple minded tards.
The sort of shit that gets you a 3 day ban on /sci/
>>73274589
>What about AI? Given that we're close to create artificial intelligence and as civillization we only exist for a little bit over 10 thosands of years, then universe should be already full of various artificial civilizations even if their creators already died out.
Some life outthere may have let AI take over. This AI might even be alright. They might discover a need for biological forms that benefits them and the life form.
On the other hand, other life observing may have stopped this in order to save their necks when the AI wanted to eliminate or enslave other life forms.
Remember, they may have far greater intelligence than we know. We might not be able to fathom the ideas they have at this point in time.
>>73274750
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=39772.2040
Hopefully I dont get pinged for spam. But this bitch named Chell is BTFOing this other scientistfag with her knowledge and defensive snark. Theyre all alluding to something big they cant talk about.
>Pic related is South Africa. Soon it will be Europe too. It's time to exodus.
>>73274030
>Americans believe they invented the internet
Technological life is probably incredibly rare. We've had more than 3 billion years of evolution on earth, billions of different species, but only one has developed the mental capacity to shitpost on 4chan. For more than 2 billion years, all life was simple single-celled organisms. Even when complex life did appear, it took another billion years before sentinence, and we've only had technological civilization for a few thousand years.
>>73274709
>TRULY A STAGGERING PROPOSITION, SURE TO ROCK THE SCIENTIFIC ESTABLISHMENT.
True, this question has already been asked many times.
So a vocal fool might just be stating the obvious.
>>73274589
>>73274884
We're nowhere close to creating actual AI. We don't even know how our own brain works for sure, much less creating an artificial one.
Also I really hate that muh ebul AI that wants to kill all humans above all Hollywood meme.
>>73274937
What is ARPANET.
>>73274520
I'm sorry, but you genuinely possess low intelligence.
This sort of clickb8 garbage is designed to appeal to facebook browsing halfwits.
>>73271650
Are there many UFOs sightings on Arizona? I'd very much like to not have my anus probed by a long grey finger.
>>73273050
What is with all those nonsensial spaceship designs? It's like artists don't have any imagination and can only copy WWI era naval battleship stuff.
>>73270027
You can tell the makeup of stars.
You can make a statistical prediction for a planet forming with the right makeup in the right orbit zone.
This is better science than economics.
>>73269709
So how many of those are going to be Type III?
>>73274634
OK on probability.
But how unremarkable is our circumstance? Consider this.
There are billion of stars in our galaxy.
There are billions of stars OLDER then our sun
Probability would stand to say that many stars in our galaxy have the exact conditions and earth like planets orbiting their respective stars.
OK then
Why is that when we observe our galaxy we find nothing?
There are billions of stars older then our sun, meaning civilizations would have billions of years of a head start.
So why isn't there a shred of evidence when we observe? Somethings not adding up.
>>73271650
>pheonix lights
I bet they're like those lights you get in Aus. Which turned out to be entirely natural phenomena from oncoming car headlights.
