what caused the shift on /pol/ from libertarianism to the alt-right over the last 5 years?
The left grew more cancerous during that time period so /pol/ naturally reacted and grew more extreme.
>>73217062
Debate.
>>73217062
People moved on
You obviously stayed
>>73217342
this sounds right to me
tumblr, BLM, obese feminists, etc have gained more attention in the last 5 years
>>73217841
I still stand as a moderate libertarian but I can totally understand why others dont want to put up with it and go full alt right.
>>73217342
its clearly this, five years ago the craziest people getting media coverage were republicans
>>73217062
Migration from /b/ drastically altering the belief structure of the host board.
>>73217062
alt-right is something that revolves around /pol/, /pol/ didn't "shift" to the alt-right, the alt-right is just a way for the media to describe /pol/ and it's presence on social media.
>>73218576
/b/'s more in line with libertarianism though.
>>73218329
it seems like there is a historical cycle,
there are going to be idiots in every large group
once an ideology grows large enough, it opens itself to attacks from smaller ideologies because millions of its members are inevitably going to be retarded
there is no reason to believe "the alt-right" would be any less retarded than the SJW tumblr faggots were they to gain widespread acceptance
Cluck among other things pissed people off.
>>73217062
because the left became brainless monkeys.
The Alt-Right are just ex-libertarians and ancaps who jumped ship when these ideas were no longer considered edgy.
>>73217342
First post best post
>>73217062
The rise of SJWs. It invalidates anything libertarianism requires to exist.
>Attacks free speech
>Attacks logic and reason
>Attacks principles outside its own dogma
There is no room for libertarianism on this planet, "Libertopia in Space" someday though.
>>73218653
*liberalism
Fixed it for ya there. /b/ has been a liberal shithole for a while now
>>73217062
the Right is continually losing ground due to demographics
it's a retreat from the splinter Right forms to one larger grouping
defensive strategy
>>73218918
>The Alt-Right are just ex-libertarians and ancaps who jumped ship when these ideas were no longer considered edgy.
Libertarianism was never edgy, it felt like a hippy movement with conservative economics.
>>73218495
The Alt-Right is right wing politics outside of the American conservative mainstream. It's largely white nationalist and neoreactionary.
Because we realised that reason and rationality will never change anything. The left does not care about those things. Force and strength are the only way to defeat them.
>>73218973
>>Attacks free speech
>>Attacks logic and reason
>>Attacks principles outside its own dogma
all things which frustrated young women do
SJW = BS term
>>73219056
Even then, if the influx of /b/tards is affecting /pol/'s ideology it's not like it's getting more liberal.
Though I suppose I have seen less Hitler recently.
>>73217062
Edgy /b/ tard teenagers and /r9k/ fags
>>73219104
>neoreactionary
Non-reactionary is the strategy of Britbongs, government-enforced prayer calls before 2020.
I don't know. I've been to a so-called "Alt Right" conference. To be honest, none of them looked remotely close the fedora meme. I see that look a lot more with the alt right's critics.
>>73217342
This. There are still a few of us libertarians though, but even some of us want Trump. Better Trump then Comrade Bernie
Also, we realised that you cannot get rid of the welfare state unless you stop immigration.
>>73219104
>The Alt-Right is right wing politics outside of the American conservative mainstream. It's largely white nationalist and neoreactionary.
Alt right is the teenage phase of conservatism
How many alt right people are over 30?
Alt right = young conservative with small bank balance
>>73219284
That and you're not doing it voluntarily.
>>73219284
>we realised that you cannot get rid of the welfare state unless you stop immigration.
This is absolutely correct.
>>73218653
It's more in line with governmental anarchism and social liberalism
>>73217062
Spoiler: many of us still are libertarians or lefties, society changed and the lefties are now running everything. And they're fucking insane. Especially the SJW fringe that the left is too afraid to step on and squash.
4chan is contrarian.
That's pretty much it. Some actual nazis blended in because they thought they were home. The pro-cuck posts and interracial pics keep them in tears though.
>>73219363
>Alt right is the teenage phase of conservatism
You calling Enoch Powell a naive teen?
>>73217062
The last 5 years have shown what happens with the culmination of left-wing social engineering. Libertarianism doesn't address that; it passively supports it.
>>73217062
Progressive leftist mostly
>>73219448
>many of us are still lefties
Poor Sven trying to rationalize his minority status
For me the shift from libertarianism came from realizing that government itself is not the problem, kikes and niggers are.
>>73219284
This as well.
At least a temporary semi-isolationist policy with strong pushes for nationalism to spur job creation and boost the economy
Where have the traditionalist gone to?
Where have the conservatives gone to?
Where have the libertarians gone to?
Where have the technocrats gone to?
for that matter
Where have the centrists gone to?
I miss debates on here, it's just an endless and ebbless stream of cancerous posting now. Pol is just polemics, these days, or shall we call it polememes.
>>73219810
Flags ruined anonymity. Arguments are no longer the only thing open to attack.
The post timer is barely existent, this biases in favour of low effort shitposts.
Large influx of newfags as a result of the US elections.
/pol/ harbour making a lot of the more serious posters leave.
>>73219810
>Where have the traditionalist gone to?
>Where have the conservatives gone to?
>Where have the libertarians gone to?
>Where have the technocrats gone to?
>for that matter
>Where have the centrists gone to?
>I miss debates on here
These threads whining about minority political affiliation status happen daily almost every hour.
The grievance of "pol is so horrible because X" threads happen every day.
The "we never debate anymore" debate thread is one you're in right now.
>>73219448
>many of us still are lefties
Not politically. I am for equal rights but no special snowflake shit or "I identify as an oompa loompa". The neo feminists, and basically the modern liberals are almost all retarded and want more and more shit while telling people who don't agree with them to shut up and change or else.
I am in between classical Liberal and Libertarian on the archaic spectrum but I hate the SJWs and Progressives of today. I'd choose nationalism any day of the week
>>73220026
>/pol/ harbour making a lot of the more serious posters leave.
Insufferable twats that don't understand /pol/ left for cripplechan and immediately split the board so they could have their own echo chambers.
And then they come here and argue /leftypol/ should exist.
Fucking slack jawed faggots.
>>73220214
I pretty much agree with that, but I called myself a lefty liberal before this SJW takeover happened and I'll continue to do so just to spite them.
They WANT you to be an "alt-right" (term they made up) so they can dismiss you. Failure to coooperate with the alt-right/nazi/racist/conservative branding hurts them more, so I enjoy it more.
>>73220026
>Large influx of newfags as a result of the US elections.
I think this broke the dam, and flags more or less lead to /int/rash to bleed into here.
>>73220073
>The "we never debate anymore" debate thread is one you're in right now.
Do we? Or shall we parry to make show for the old days?
>>73219810
I'm Traditionalist-nationalist (not NatSoc)
We're still here, we're just less vocal.
Or, everyone else has moved to /news/
>>73219245
Even Comrade Bernie would be 1000x better than Shillary. At least Bernie would have been incompetent enough to not accomplish anything before he died in office.
Shillary is just terrifying though. Someone with all the bad connections and the moral bankruptcy to do whatever they tell her to do.
>>73219810
>all those RN DDs that may be yet to come
This makes my WoWS boner hard
>>73217062
It's called growing up my friend.
Not our fault you're addicted to being a cuck.
>>73219448
>Sweden
>I'm still a lefty, I post cuck porn and I hate Nazi's
Goddamnit Sweden, I don't even think you're joking here.
>>73217062
No one is being paid to shill for Hillary.
>>73219754
Government is a source of power and it's human nature, fueled by greed and desire, to hold power. Government will always be corrupted in some manner, and this corruption will increase as the power and scope of government increases. Would things be better if we got rid of the kikes and niggers? Yes, but even if we got rid of them all, that doesn't mean there won't be thousands of sociopathic shitheads looking to corrupt the system at any given moment. You need something to enforce law and protect the state, but Libertarians realize this. It's the stubborn AnCaps who fail to realize that utopian politics are overly simplified in a complex world.
People love this idea of government helping the downtrodden, because it pushes the responsibility off of themselves. How many socialists volunteer and help the poor themselves? None, because they're a bunch of fuckheads who all believe that THEY're the victim. Government is just an institution of humans; if you really want to help the world, voting for a larger government does fuck all. Getting off of your fucking ass and doing something is the only thing that does help.
>OP
>Newfag who thinks this board was ever Libertarian
You know, because Le Windmill of Friendship and Tolerance is obviously a Libertarian symbol.
>b-but muh Ron Paul!!111
>>73217062
Most of those quotes have always been /pol/.
alt-right is just edgelord conservatives. most are young and poorly educated. they havent lived in a world where their ideals have had power and led to ruin.
I most people can agree that the left is getting out of hand with SJW shit, but going full alt-right is just straight retarded. Hell, even a lot of liberals are rejecting this SJW crap. Trump is a fucking idiot and his vague policies dont make any sense.
>>73217342
FPBP
This question also gets asked like 5 times a day on this board.
>>73219278
>Alt-Right
>a party
It's just sort of a catch-all term for the American right wing that is anti-neoconservatism. That's it.
>>73218918
Was never a libertarian or an-cap. Always seen free market cuckoldry as degenerate.
Read more Evola and de Benoist boys.
Red pills were taken.
People also realized nationalist collectivism isn't that bad, in fact it's what makes life worthwhile.
>>73220214
You make litterally 0 sense
>>73220370
It's funny, I am in with the Webbnation grassroots group here and they know I am a /pol/tard (and they don't mind generally) but they were surprised to find out where I am on the spectrum, pretty funny stuff.
I think we can all agree that the board has been a lot comfier since we drove all those faggot lolbertarians out.
>>73220755
>most are young and poorly educated.
/pol/ is poorly educated? Doesn't seem to hold water.
>>73220755
"Alt-right" is a stupid umbrella term the media slapped onto new republican voters.
They claim right-libertarianism, fascism, anarcho-capitalism, etc all fall under the umbrella of "alt-right."
>>73219245
there are tons of libertarians for Trump.
Unless your a faggot there shouldn't be any borders all races are the same libertarian.
>>73220436
She won't win though, the Bernie people hate her just as much as they hate Trump.
For Trump people they need the Bernouts to vote for Trump, for the Libertarians like myself we just need them to look at Johnson or Peterson for 2 minutes
>>73220847
>I think the government should control what I can and cannot buy
Hope those chains don't rest too heavy, slave.
>>73220955
They have their part to play in the ecosystem. You'll find no greater free speech advocate than them, and that's central to all of this.
>>73220888
>People also realized nationalist collectivism isn't that bad, in fact it's what makes life worthwhile.
Exactly. The lolbertarian world of open borders and faceless consumers is just as soulless and materialist as any Marxist subversion.
>>73220996
have you fucking read anything here? its all retarded memes, mental gymnastics, name-calling and conspiracy theories. this board is fucking neckbeards living in mom's basement who have little interaction with the real world, hence why they dont understand how toxic their viewpoints are
>>73221179
Lurk more.
>>73221063
>They claim right-libertarianism, fascism, anarcho-capitalism, etc all fall under the umbrella of "alt-right."
It does, because "alt-right" is just /pol/ by another name and they don't want to look like idiots referring to a Cantonese fly fishing website with a straight face on the news.
>>73221179
>have you fucking read anything here? its all retarded memes, mental gymnastics, name-calling and conspiracy theories
Do you even browse here? If you're too dumb to filter shit threads just go back to where your high horse came from.
>>73220755
>most are young and poorly educated
Yeah m8, if we just let niggers take over everything they'll suddenly become model citizens for some reason.
My ideals of having a homogeneous white society with gender roles have lead to only prosperity.
Whereas multiculturalism has only lead to everything going to shit.
>b-but muh MLK, segregation is dah worst evil
>>73220898
But I do...
For limited government, but want nationalism (for country not love of govt) I am also okay with people being socially progressive just not the retarded levels that we have today. (For eqaul rights essentially but not retarded nigger gets a scholarship for being a nigger bullshit).
>>73221112
Not the state, the volk. Although I have absolutely no problem with limits on degeneracy. The good of the people comes before profit.
The majority of white men that use this board feel as if they are constantly under attack by the media and academia. They're told regularly that they inherently possess societal privilege due to the fact that they are male and white. They did not know how to react to it, so this their counterculture, I guess.
>>73221257
I still think it's dumb to personality identify yourself as someone in the "alt-right" instead of libertarian, an-cap, etc. Claiming your alt-right just allows dumb figureheads like Milo to speak and think for you.
>>73221179
Well then, if you're the big shot here why don't you try diving right in. Systematically de-construct those toxic viewpoints piece by piece.
Blow us the fuck out. Should be easy right?
>>73220955
Still here, fucking up your echo chamber.
>>73221079
I know too many that are going to actually waste their vote by writing Bernout in. How can we convince them to vote for Johnson?
>>73221125
Aye. We might be idealistic but we don't think maximal individual rights are too idealistic. And something something defend you to the death to say it.
>>73221146
You've got it all wrong. Open borders cannot happen until the welfare/nanny state gets torn down, so I'm afraid GB is completely fucked.
>>73221410
>Claiming YOU'RE
Damn fermented Jew is causing me to make grammatical errors...
>>73221320
if you are somewhere where you need to filter out the shit, its probably a shit place. IDGAF if theres some smart posts, they are vastly outweighed by the number of shit posts, thus making this board a retarded cesspool
>>73217062
white people are finally losing their privilege
>>73217062
There is no such thing as the "alt-right". I'm a libertarian that doesn't like to be politically correct so people would call me "alt-right" but my political philosophy is libertarianism. "alt right" is not a political affiliation, it's a strawman.
>>73220888
You could make a picture of influential Jews for every political ideology. I know you're trying to appeal to people's bias, but this shit is dumb as hell.
>>73221146
Libertarians don't have to believe in open borders. In fact, most American Libertarians are Paleolibertarians, who believe that there should be enforced borders, nations, etc. Libertarian =/= AnCap and I wish you retards who stop spreading that lie.
>>73221078
>there shouldn't be any borders all races are the same libertarian.
I am not sure I read/understood that correctly
Pol is Alt-right by definition
>>73217062
This is one of the better trolls I've seen in recent years
>>73217062
/pol/ grew up.
>>73220755
>alt-right is just edgelord conservative
No, but the reason the left loves the term is that they get to make up definitions, like usual.
> most are young and poorly educated
I'm 30 with a university degree and a job, I call myself lefty but the new left calls me alt-right, and many more with me.
>they havent lived in a world where their ideals have had power and led to ruin.
Wait, your sell here is that if you're dissatisfied with other ideologies being shit, you're shit for wanting something other than the choices you already got, that you readily admit suck.
Brave gambit, if not for the utter absurdity. Why do you even get out of bed in the morning?
>>73221146
>let's open our borders and keep the democracy so anyone flooding in can control the power
>what could go wrong?
Libertarians are some of the most short sighted people that ever existed.
>>73221179
>all the arguments are stupid
>toxic
I have a hard time believing a person that uses a word like "toxic" well ever make a coherent argument.
But hey, what's your idea about racial inequality evidence?
>>73221517
>if you are somewhere where you need to filter out the shit, its probably a shit place. IDGAF if theres some smart posts
See, having shit posts keep pretentious twats like you out.
Australians are doing their part.
Would you like to know more?
>>73221474
>echo chamber
That's why it was great that we drove you out. Trump isn't even shilled to the degree you fags did with the Pauls and Johnson. So, you're fine being the minority and general laughingstock to keep this from turning into an authoritarian echo chamber. Just remember muh roads.
>>73221474
>How can we convince them to vote for Johnson?
Show them the facts, that if they vote in Bernie he'll lose and Hillary or Trump will win. 45% of Americans identify as independent now and Johnson was already polling at 11% a few months back. So in order to make sure Trump and Hillary lose they need to vote libertarian.
Their fears should do the rest
>>73221410
Sure. If I identify with anything it's /pol/, and even that's more like a club of somewhat like minded individuals than an actual cohesive ideology.
If someone wants to call me "alt-right" though I'm not going to moan too hard.
>>73221474
>Open borders cannot happen
They cannot happen in general.
If you have a government they'll vote your libertariantopia away to take your money.
If you don't have one they'll just take your shit.
Any ideology without nationalism is just self destructive nonsense.
>>73217062
The paleos and cosmopolitans reconfirmed their hatred for each other and so /pol/ just became meme warfare.
/pol/ actually has never been aligned with a specific wing. /pol/'s always just jumped between sides that were advocating for free speech.
Years ago, /pol/ and 4chan in general was a lot more left-wing and less right-wing mostly because at the time the right-wing was advocating censoring violent and sexual things in media to protect traditional values. However as the left-wing grew more authoritarian and the right-wing grew a lot less authoritarian, /pol/ shifted right-wing because right-wing this decade is about defending freedoms whereas the leftw left-wing is now about censoring things because of feelings. 4chan's always catered to those who believe in free speech and freedom of expression regardless of how offensive it is.
Beware of the leftists and cuckservatives
>>73217062
I'm actually more of a socialist with nationalist inclinations
>>73217342
>so /pol/ naturally reacted and grew more extreme.
Did /pol/ really grew "more extreme"", OR, did the prevalence of that opinion [of /pol/ having grown more """extreme"""] became more prevalent instead?
>>73222339
+1 for your post
+100 for defying stereotypes as a Leaf
propaganda and newfags taking the rightwing meme seriously
>>73220558
Whats wrong with triggering nazis?
>>73217342
> this
I get the feeling most of us are still libertarian but are desperate enough to prefer alt-right to the left.
>>73220705
sup newfag.
i bet you were never on /n/
>>73222558
This is the only answer.
/pol/ got a lot more leftists.
They started screaming more and more about how "extreme" /pol/ is.
It's like the Republican party in the US, it's a leftist institution in the majority of policies.
But because it's not literally advocating for replacing it's people with foreigners it's "far right" as far as leftyplebs are concerned.
>>73222601
>le common sense fallacy
Please anon. This site always hated woman and whores, so it was always right-wing, if we go by leftist definitions.
>>73217062
Literally just because it wasn't edgy enough anymore. All the SJW shit really took off so the ever contrarian 4chan had to be the polar opposite.
It's so predictable I know for a fact that this place will be MGTOW as all hell next year when Hillary wins (my condolences) and /pol/ will forget all about it ever being decried as anti-family.
Like you already have newfriends denying anyone was ever seriously christian here since that's becoming no longer edgy enough as the mainstream christian republicans fucking hate Trump too kek.
>>73221509
>fermented Jew
You've been huffing jenkem?
>>73217062
It's honestly a matter of what's the most edgy shit you can say. 5 years ago saying you were and capitalism was edgy. Today pushing for social conservativism is edgy because it's a dead ideology. The alt-right is basically social conservativism without the religious shit attached. Immigration, multiculturalism, gay rights, and niggers are the only things /pol/ now cares about
>>73222997
>if we go by leftist definitions.
I take issue with this.
>>73222902
This isn't /n/. And I doubt you were there either.
>>73222774
Going around looking for porn of your race getting cucked is pathetic no matter your reason.
If you wannabe a cuck you can go ahead, but you're still pathetic.
>>73221913
You can take pride in your city-state/commonwealth/religion/cultural tribe alright. Nationalism is an ideological construct that ends up justifying and fostering big government and political centralisation, which devolves into socialism.IMHO it's no coincidence that Europe, the birthplace of nationalism, is known for its welfare states.
Remove welfare state and any incentive for lazy, non-working immigrants to come to your land, and allow people to defend themselves and organise as they seem fit. In short: let's go back to what made America great, in the 19th century, before the New Deal.
>>73222528
A national-socialist, if you will.
>>73223146
>Today pushing for social conservativism is edgy because it's a dead ideology.
That's been a losing battle since the 60s. Where have you been?
>>73217062
Stormfront realized the viral capabilities of 4chan. They inundated themselves within the community and successfully subverted the anti-establishment and libertarian elements into a pro-white whole.
They are just beginning to reap the rewards of this admirable effort. Well done boys.
>>73223561
>Stormfront
I had never even heard of that site until I came to /pol/
>>73217062
>what caused the shift on /pol/ from libertarianism to the alt-right over the last 5 years?
>/pol/ is one person
You need to get the fuck out of here, close your tab and don't come back
>>73222997
But a decade ago, we were hating on the right-wing because the right-wing wanted to to censor violence in vidya, restrict pornography and had opinions that contradicted the nature of 4chan, whereas the left was a lot less whiny about the stuff we did. 4chan was full of edgy, but leftist opinions rather than whiny SJW leftist opinions.
This decade however, the tables have turned after authoritarians have overtaken the left-wing and now want to censor and oppress nearly everything this website's built on, whereas the right-wing now wants to defend free speech.
That's why 4chan shifted from leftist opinions to rightist opinions over the last decade. The left turned into whiny landwhales and beta males who want to censor whatever hurts theirs or potentially could hurt other peoples' opinions, whereas the right-wing got hijacked by people who were pro-free speech and anti-censorship. Ironically, the right-wing today is more liberal in the truest sense than the left-wing is.
>>73223561
The reality is that the vast majority of /pol/ whom you call stormfags have never been to the site. In fact stormfront hates us. We're far too degenerate.
>>73219810
4chan is a modern focus group. This place is a nothing less than a datamine and a psy-op, Flags, ID's, along with controlled content has diluted the former levels of negative influence (though we were used to influence an election, and the future state of our existence). Without that, the automated spewing of 'lite' content becomes more pronounced. The aforementioned, coupled with the passing of time and the existential shallowness of millenials (boomers2.0) the purge has been super effective. J00t didn't 'sell' out, he was moved aside and along.
This isn't just /pol/ (although /pol/ and /b/ were special cases). Every board is utter shit now. I originated from /fit/ and /v/, circa 2008 (I spent 2007 exclusively on BEE. lulz). The tripfags on /fit/ are faggots... Millenials in general are faggots. /v/ died around 2010/11, about the same time vidya died as well. The internet is shit now... Memes aside, it's a shame so many of you kidfags will never know what the internet was like in the 90's... I'd liken it to a distopian utopia. You'd also have never known Ennui :).
/pol/ is still active, because it's a natural 'behavior' [to refrain from complexity] to congregate and speak of meaningful issues... This place was once the best place to do it, because that ideal had long been hijacked then in the same manner it is now. We once had a pretty potent sense of freedom that we had not had in a while... And that concerned very powerful people and entities.
inb4 NSA spouts hurrdurr basement dwellers on 4chan are not important.
I also have old /pol/ and /new/ posts that I could dump, but I'm not going to, because I hate you millenial faggots.
>>73217062
>>73223711
peoples' feelings*
>>73217062
Who else is leftist and comes here for the occasional giggle?
>>73223694
>I had never even heard of that site until I came to /pol/
IT's the boogeyman of the left.
They can't come to terms with the fact that most people are racist because of the stats along with real life experience.
>>73223711
>But a decade ago
/pol/ wasn't around. Take it to /b/ if you want to talk about how "we wuz left wing".
Chances are you'll find /b/ is still pretty leftist/libertarian.
>>73219363
'Old Right' is Neocon faggotry.
>>73223694
That's the way we wanted it.
>>73223732
The movement is constantly evolving and you must start from somewhere. You can be 'degenerate' but useful. Take the SA as an example.
>>73223976
/pol/ wasn't, but politicfags were. That's largely what I'm talking about.
>>73223711
Oh yeah, and we'd never classify ourselves as any sort of political group. 'Alt-right' is just another term being used to herd you all into a demographic that will be manipulated.
>>73224033
>The movement is constantly evolving and you must start from somewhere. You can be 'degenerate' but useful. Take the SA as an example.
Sure, but it still doesn't change the fact that it's not stormfront's doing. Our "stormfags" are home grown, or at least individually realised for the most part.
>>73223897
>mfw I dont have to put any effort into trolling and just post my real opinions on social justice issues and everyone flips their shit
Disillusionment with the fraud Ron Paul. Once worshipped as a god, he turned out to be just another politician full of hot air and bullshit. So /pol/ has latched onto a new god, Trump. When Trump inevitably loses, /pol/ will turn against the GOP entirely and start calling for an independent party. When that independent party fails to achieve anything, /pol/ will collectively commit sudoku.
>>73224366
Ron Paul wasn't a fraud, just an idealist who had too much faith in what now composes America. He knew about the Jews, but did not have the strength to confront them openly.
Only the complete eradication of the Jews will save the American people. There really is not other conclusion to be drawn. Their virulent opposition to Trump even after his pandering makes this position clearer than ever.
>>73223976
>>73224068
Should also add that /b/ just spews whatever's edgy at the time, they side against whoever's easier to cause butthurt.
4chan's political nature, before /pol/ (during /n/) was largely about opposing the side that tramples on free speech the most, which was the right-wing at the time. It still is about opposing the side that tramples on free speech, but in this age it's the left-wing that's trampling on free speech.
You could say that /pol/'s conservative liberal rather than just conservative or liberal. We've just picked the side that lets us be offensive and say whatever's on our mind regardless.
Because memes are more powerful than arguments
>>73224665
>we
There is no we. /pol/ is whoever posts on /pol/.
Just because you're a tryhard shitposter that's too much of a pussy to have a real opinion because he's scared of it being criticized doesn't mean anyone else is.
I get it, you're a moderate that believes the PC position and sometimes like to pretend to hold other positions as a joke.
Many threads on /pol/ still have actual debates where facts are presented in spite of your childishness.
>>73217062
>le fedora meme
kill yourself retard
>>73222914
Exactly.
>They started screaming more and more about how "extreme" /pol/ is.
Which is quite ironic, because it's ultimately just psychological projection (calling /pol/ """extreme""", while simultaneously advocating for policies which encompass nothing less than the complete and total extinction of the European peoples and it's diaspora; it's very own identity, even).
The argument to moderation fallacy don't make /pol/ more """extreme""", and neither wrong.
It's going to be a great shock for so many, when they truly understand what "equality", "anti-racism" and so on truly mean in practice. It would be even more hilarious (if it wasn't so sad) to see the true reaction of those individuals, as they begin to grasp the implications that a dysgenic idiocracy entail, little by little.
>It's like the Republican party in the US, it's a leftist institution in the majority of policies.
Over here, even the Socialists are routinely called Fascists, believe it or not (and of course, """Fascist""" parties are prohibited by law).
>But because it's not literally advocating for replacing it's people with foreigners it's "far right" as far as leftyplebs are concerned.
As usual; 'Far-right', of course, being just one of the many variants of """extreme""".
The alt right hate milo, milo is just a normal right wing faggot cuckservative
Anyone who is a nazi or fascist is quite literally anti-American. If you are an actual fascist you are a traitor.
>>73225354
What the hell are you on about? When I say we I'm talking about the general consensus, which is really true. /pol/'s always sided with the side that conserves free speech and expression.
I'm not a moderate by any means lad. I'm a conservative liberal. It's not about irony by any means and I don't pretend anything. I'll oppose rightists when they're shitting on freedom for "muh values", and I'll oppose leftists when they're shitting on freedom for "muh feelings". The climate of /pol/ changes whenever a side starts challenging freedom, but its always the same mentality. Leftist /pol/ (when /pol/ was /n/) was just as politically incorrect as rightist /pol/ is now.
>>73225819
Wouldn't go that far. He has more of an edge to him than most. He is "/pol/ for normies" though.
>>73225927
Have a look at the symbolism in your supreme court. What do you see?
Because when you get older you start to caring about other stuff than hoarding shekels or getting to smoke weed.
>>73225927
A little hint.
>>73217342
>>73217841
basically this, /pol/ is just counter-culture
in 2011 the left was "occupying" wallstreet and other stupid shit, so libertarianism was the counter culture and /pol/ rallied around ron paul a year later in 2012
now you have things like BLM, radical feminism, refugee crisis, so the 'alt-right' is the counter culture and they rally around the don
And I'm not saying /pol/ is intentionally contrarian, because ron paul and trump do have some crossover (audit the fed, isolationist , anti-globalism), I'm just saying they're gonna be more vocal about the current trends
>>73226127
>>73226309
Fascists are quite literally anti-democracy. You know what Democracy is right? It is the foundation of the American government.
>>73226188
this is the real answer. who would want to raise kids in this hopeless degenerate society?
>>73217062
Economic stagnation under obama's free-trade socialism.
>>73217062
What is "alt-right"?
>>73219226
hitler grew into a a meme, people grew distaste for it as we tried to distance ourselves from stormfags
>>73226453
Your founding fathers didn't have much good to say about democracy. In fact you originally were not one.
Fascism at its core is about unity and exceptionalism. Sound familiar?
>>73226453
No, we're a republic, that was originally only supposed to be voted on by white landed men.
Giving power to a dictator is no different than giving the right to vote to minorities.
The whole
>muh civic loyalty
Is truly pathetic.
A vote is a share in the government, fighting for people that hate you to have power over you is the height of cuckoldry.
>>73226660
You are stupid. The founding fathers did not like direct democracy they were for representative democracy aka a republic. That is still a democracy but at the time they usually called it republic instead of representative democracy and just omitted the "direct" from direct democracy. No, America is not, never has been, and never will be compatible with fascism. Any fascist is anti-American.
>>73217062
blacked? op is a faggot. kill yourself.
Reddit invaded.
>>73226837
What I'm hearing from you is "lalalala I'm not listening".
Certainly America today is far from fascist, but the founding fathers would have found much to like in it. Such was the time in which they lived. Remember that Monarchy and Aristocracy were still very much in vogue.
>>73226643
same as regular right mixed with water cooler racism, lesser appreciation for traditional christian values and a sense of nationalism vs globalism
>>73223242
>Nationalism is an ideological construct that ends up justifying and fostering big government and political centralisation
no it is not. So long as the country is proud of its freedom and realize its what makes their country a country.
>>73218967
>>73227034
>not mostly Berniecucks with a side of lolbertarians
>>73223242
Racial nationalism is less likely to end that way.
It's only when you have Civic nationalism where they put government conquest above identity.
Such as Rome.
Sweden was fine even as socialists, until it went batshit insane and decided nationalism was evil.
>>73227452
You forgot the key factor: reddit loves memes more than anything, and /pol/ has turned into nothing but memes over the last 2.5 years.
>>73227061
>but the founding fathers would have found much to like in it
Not at all. Fascism is anti-liberal and the founding fathers were very much liberals but in the old sense of the word which is ironically right wing now and not left wing. Fascist are anti-classical liberal which is what most of the founding fathers were. Also look up the founding fathers actual opinions on slavery. Many of them did see blacks as inferior to whites but Thomas Jefferson for instance didn't actually believe slavery was good and that they were entitled to the same rights as anyone else because they are people. Yes he still had slaves so he may be seen as a hypocrite but he did inherit many of them. George Washington also freed all of his slaves a clear sign that he was against slavery and would not be pro fascist by any means.
>>73217062
Refugee crisis and edgy memes.
>>73226317
>/pol/ is just counter-culture
>>73217062
plebbit and faggots like Milo bragging that he's our fucking waifu for street cred
>>73227104
How is it different from regular right say Third Reich?
>>73227573
nice redditfrog
>>73217062
It's the loudest voice in the room, and it gets fuel from opposition. I'm still here from /news/ and am voting for Gary Johnson.
The big issue with the alt right at present in this board though is no real agreement upon terms at all, so it's essentially an echo chamber of getting angry at liberals.
>>73220705
this
>>73222902
>i bet you were never on /n/
I bet you came straight from a knowyourmeme article
;^)
nigger
>>73219168
>>73219081
This.
>>73227540
So why then is the Fasces all over your symbolism? That originates from the Romans, the proto-fascists.
I'm not saying that you ever were actual Mussolini fascists, but the core values do not necessarily conflict.
Like I said: unity and exceptionalism - regardless of class or creed. Just as the Romans and the Fascists did.
Achievement is respected above all else.
>>73227061
>Remember that Monarchy and Aristocracy were still very much in vogue.
Also the fact that you mentioned this is laughable. The U.S. has always been opposed to monarchy and aristocracy. The U.S. pretty much made itself this way because they hated Britain so much.
>>73217062
I gotta admit, that pic is funny
>>73227932
Symbolism is not as important as the core beliefs of the people who created this country. They set everything into motion and are responsible not only for the government but the way many people have thought over the past 200 years. Look into how our government is run and you will understand clearly that the U.S. could never be a fascist country. If it were to become one it would no longer be the real U.S. just a carcass.
>>73227940
They rejected the British monarchy, yes, but not necessarily the social power structure inherent therein. Instead having the top be decided by the best suited, not because of nepotism.
>>73227540
>tfw the founding fathers named the Jew
Why didn't we listen?
;^)
>>73228156
>Symbolism is not as important as the core beliefs of the people who created this country.
Bullshit. Why lavishly decorate your institutions with it then?
>>73227940
>The U.S. has always been opposed to monarchy and aristocracy.
Make no mistake, America has it's own "monarchy" and "aristocracy", whether you like to admit it or not; it is simply cosmetically different.
>>73217062
reality and growing up !
>>73228162
They hated the British monarchy so much that it made them hate monarchy, weird huh?
>>73228198
I'm about 85% certain half of those are false quotes.
>>73228247
Because it looks cool and makes it sound badass
>>73228300
You're kind of right, it's become a sort of oligarchy recently but I still believe in the original beliefs of America and don't want to see it become a fascist country.
>>73217062
/pol/ is mainly teenagers, you have to realize this to understand the way /pol/ thinks, they wont admit they're underaged, but a majority of them are
/pol/ as a bunch of teenagers will say and believe anything that is "edgy and rebellious"
what was considered edgy and rebellious before was libertarianism, now its understood as just correct, the alt-right trash is now what is considered edgy and cool. it can be traced to hitler, people think its edgy and "out there" to like hitler because its "offensive" and if you try to tell them they're just being edgy and stupid they will probably deliver you a copypasta statement about how you're fresh off the boat from reddit kid
but a lot of the people here dont understand how much like reddit /pol/ really is
nobody here actually has any firm beliefs, its just kids trying to be edgy and rebellious
>>73227613
more accepting towards gays
favors capitalism over socialism
favors isolationism over imperialism
>>73228432
>They hated the British monarchy so much that it made them hate monarchy, weird huh?
Fascism is not monarchy.
It's mainly Stormfront's fault, at least initially. They've been using 4chan as a place to spread propaganda since 2008. It mostly stayed on /n/ (remember those daily threads about blacks in the news?) but gradually caught on during the /new/ days and basically reached critical mass after moot killed /new/, metastasizing the cancer throughout the site.
It just continued when /pol/ was born and has only intensified since then.
>>73228432
>I'm about 85% certain half of those are false quotes.
SO FAST TO REPLYYYYYYY
>>73228432
>Because it looks cool and makes it sound badass
I don't believe it. Are you saying that those great men that built your institutions are that shallow?
>>73227573
well, it is, you prove my point by posting that pic, that frog is the mascot for disenfranchised adolescents that want to distance themselves from society and 'normies' as you call them
and I wasn't calling /pol/ counter culture to downplay it either
>>73228498
Right, I'm sure people who are pro-republic would love fascism which is anti-republic. Also fascism is totalitarian of course they would hate it for similar reasons to Monarchy.
>>73228567
Nice, no proof.
>>73228595
Look I don't fucking know why they picked symbols how is that even an argument? Why the fuck would the country responsible for spreading democracy (at the time referred to as a republic but still very much a democracy) be pro-fascist. I think you just view these as meme words and don't actually consider the meanings. Also I am done arguing this is getting stupid.
>>73228456
The worst part is how this is a relatively recent development. Before moot decided to fuck with the board with that "8 steps to cuckholding" shit you used to see around idiots who appeared to be genuinely mentally ill and neo-nazi. Say what you will about the stormfags, at least they had some real conviction driving them and not just this endless quest for "fitting in". Now these cunts don't even realize that certain words like "SJW" and even "cuck" are just memes, and very fresh and new memes at that. "SJW" didn't even appear until around mid 2013.
Then again, the nazis only settled in after the 2012 election was over, so who knows. Maybe it was only a phase.
>>73228893
Oh, and not to mention the word "meme" itself has only started being abused to death less than 5 years ago.
>>73228848
Well ok, if you can't be mature about this fine.
I'm not trying to say that America should be fascist, just that Fascism is not the great evil you may have been lead to believe, at least in basic form. Many good ideas have been corrupted, Like they say: the road to hell is paved with good intentions.
>>73220705
>im gonna call the op gay thatll get him im such a channer
>newfag lol he thinks this board was libertarian
>lol but the logo of /pol/ is swastika sooooo lel
>le funnie memer text
the kind of person to use "normie" as a serious insult
you prove my point
>>73221575
He's saying many libertarians support Trump, unless you're the kind of libertarian that believes in no borders and full freedom of movement.
>>73228432
>but I still believe in the original beliefs of America and don't want to see it become a fascist country
Your faith in the "original beliefs of America" is meaningless and, again, is ultimately just "cosmetics" (the very same cosmetics that are invoked every time you use the word "Fascist").
After the US demography is radically altered, so will the nation as a whole in every sense of the word, including it's very "national will" and, only after that happens, will you truly realize how little your faith in the original premise of the US will actually matter by then.
>>73228848
>Nice, no proof.
there was never meant to be.
litmus test.
;^)
>>73227573
It's so obvious it's painful.
btw, a pasta I have saved from almost exactly 3 years ago:
I actually agree with OP, but it's pointless, to say the least. for every one intelligent or insightful poster who's genuinely interested in expanding his worldview by being exposed to other opinions, there are 10 other shitposters who post the same dumb shit over and over and over again. Problem is, it's ALWAYS been like this. /pol/ always been like this, from the moment of its creation.
You need to understand that /pol/ is actually a containment board. Any meaningful political shit on 4chan (if any even exists) is being discussed over at /int/.
>NUH WAIT, I POSTED ON /INT/ THAT ONE TIME AND I TOTALLY GOT BANNED!!!
Yes, because your definition of "politics" has nothing to do with politics. Conspiracy theories, Jews, "who's white?" threads, all hail Hitler, all hail Jesus, HABBENING, MUH DEGENERATION, MUH GUNS, MUH HOLOHOAX, feminism threads and "into the trash" threads are not politics.
>>73221078
define libertarian
define trump
the only libertarians for trump either
A) arent actually libertarians
or
B) dont know anything about trump and are trying to be le cool
>>73217062
subversion, infiltration of outside people pushing out the natives
wait a minute. that does sound familiar
>>73227646
>>73228760
>a jew and dumb anime poster complain about pepes
wew lads
5 years ago the left was doing occupy wall street.
now its safe spaces
do the math senpai
>>73217062
>misusing the fedora meme
as usual
>>73229407
u no leik teh ebic reddit frog? xd
>POL IS ONE PERSON
another pasta from some years ago
/pol/ is basically full of rejects who couldn't get a degree in history, political science, archaeology or anthropology, or at least like to pretend they are the source of a respected opinion in any of those fields.
Popular topics here are, but are not limited to:
>The Zionist Agenda
>Obama is secretly Al-Qaeda/Satan
>Afrocentric and Negro plots to undermine white accomplishments
>Aryan and White plots to undermine negro accomplishments
>Jews /thread
>Hitler was right
>Openly supporting dictators because they stand against Obama, who is a dictator.
>The liberal agenda
>The illuminate agenda
>Holocaust was a pretty cool guy. eh murdered all the jews and doesn't afraid of anything. But it also never happened.
>Everything anyone says is true, especially when they flunked out of History 101 when they submitted a controversial paper on it. The Jews failed them.
Welcome to /pol/
>>73219056
>>73217062
>using the hat may-may to shore up your non-argument that being nationalist is somehow bad
>>73217062
reason
>>73227539
I don't deny that reddit moved in en masse.
But they're not the alt right OP is complaining about.
They're OP and the people like him that complain about /pol/ being not PC enough.
>>73229464
this makes the most most sense
ultimately /pol/ will just be in opposition to whatever the extreme left is advocating
sort of sad
>>73229680
found the insecure kid
>>73228432
>I'm about 85% certain half of those are false quotes.
Google a few then.
>>73231285
I'm afraid not, buddy. Around mid 2015 Reddit banned a bunch of right-wing/non-PC subreddits, and for an entire fucking week we had thread after thread of retards saying "WOW REDDIT SUX NOW I'M COMING HERE"
>>73228198
>>73217062
Libertarianism is a type of liberalism. Liberalism is based on lies.
>>73229361
>Conspiracy theories
>guns
>holocaust
>happenings
>degeneracy
>Hitler
All politics my friend.
But since you're referencing /int/ I can see what type of person you are.
/int/ is the most autistic board on the site. Yes, even more than /r9k/ and certainly more than /pol/.
>>73219226
>it's not like it's getting more liberal
You having someone itt talking about "toxic" ideas without a shred of irony.
>>73231801
It's a fucking pasta you retard.
Also,
>/r9k/
>autistic
Modern /reddit9k/ is nothing but a bunch of teenagers playing pretend and regurgitating memes. It has completely lost any resemblance to how it was before 2015. Sort of like /pol/, in that way.
>>73217342
And people are just starting to realize this is also applying to the mainstream politics, both in Canda, Murrica and Europe as the left grows and becomes more and more anti-white.
>>73217062
lolbertarianism died with Ron Paul's campaign. Look at the current roster of irrelevant clowns running for the lolbertarian party: fucking McAfee. Really?
>>73217062
Alt right is a blanket term that covers everything from libertarians who still think we need borders to Neo-National Socialists who think the holocaust never happened but it should have
>>73231650
Pretty good merchant. I have to admit it this does seem valid.
>>73232001
A pasta you apparently agree with.
>>73231534
So they banned a bunch of moderates for not parroting the party line exactly so they came here.
I never said otherwise.
>>73217062
libertarianism being pure fantasy
>>73232534
>A pasta you apparently agree with.
No, I just posted it for curiosity's sake. It severely outdated, which is why I thought it'd be interesting enough to post.
>So they banned a bunch of moderates for not parroting the party line exactly so they came here.
Let's just look at how things are at the moment. 95% of posts on /pol/ are blatantly reddit shit, and there's been a direct correlation between the amount of redditards here and the amount of "alt-right" (where'd this term even come from?) and "SJW"-phobia stupidity. The Trump threads in particular are a vast extravaganza of everything bad you'd usually expect from /b/.
>>73220393
>>Large influx of newfags as a result of the US elections.
>I think this broke the dam, and flags more or less lead to /int/rash to bleed into here.
Agreed completely, m8. I've been thinking about taking a break from this place, at least until the elections die down.
>>73218649
this
>>73217062
Lolbertarians are part of the alt-right.
>>73217062
The "alt-right" only exists on youtube and Ben Shaprio's imagination.
Ben Shapiro dies in 2016 check 'em
>>73220026
you forgot /x/ shitposters but that was it, really.
>>73222774
>>73222774
R A R E
(I think; I'm on mobile)
