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Red pill me on the European Union /pol/.
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>>73197208
it's shit
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>>73197208
Good and necessary idea that got run through shit by the big capital, only to get run through shit by multiculturalism.
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>>73197208
its already dead but walking
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>>73197475
> Good and necessary idea
you deserve every single bad thing that's happened to you
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>>73197208
designed as a confederation of the rhine
turning into a holy roman empire
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dicktatorship in disguise
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>>73197475
Speaking of which, how are you doing with the sand niggers?
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>>73197475
>Assembles massive organization which will have various negotiating and political leverage mechanisms, blames businesses for making use of it.
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>>73197475
>Good and necessary idea
>German's actually believe this

Wew
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>>73197208

it is a German thing

> they speak about solidarity BUT

> they build a pipeline to Russia avoiding Polan
> they say they will not defend Polan

solidarity it is
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>>73197208
It was made to stop Europeans from killing each other. It succeeded. Then everything went wrong.
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>>73197208
dont listen to the butthurt brits, its pretty beneficial for all.
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>>73198206
no, it was made to be an economic union. What made Europeans stop warring with each other were the Cold War borders and army bases. Don't let the pro-EU leftists feed you propaganda.
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>>73197208
Bullshit bureaucratical waste of money that clashes with sovereignty

inb4 Merkelshills with German flags disagree
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>>73198437
>no, it was made to be an economic union
of steel and coal, the two things without which no war could be fought. That's what kept France and Germany from doing rematch.
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>>73197208
Basically an unelected organization who has the power to decide about internal affair of the single member states.
Living in Italy, my president is decided by a stupid fucking german crippled old man, thanks to EU
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>>73197208
Globalist, communist (in the past) plan to stop wars, but also for economical control, and creation of new European Man. Basically, modern day empire in infancy based on Enlightenment ideas.
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>>73197208
Multikulti feudalist oligarchy.

Independent countries mean nothing to the EUverlords; their intercountry votes can and have been overruled by EU or their puppets in the country governments. Their laws can and have been supplanted by EU, with threat of force or sanctions if the countries don't comply. Politicians of the EU have openly said they don't give two shits what their people say about the choices they make; they're not even hiding the fact that they're corrupt, soulless bastards.

I seriously feel for the average citizen of the "member" countries. Brexit, Polexit, Belexit, Czexit, Grexit all need to happen. Germany has conquered you fools again, just in a different way this time.
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>>73197208
The EU or the EUSSR want the destruction of the whites native europeans, they want to invite millions of muslims barbarians, they want to total ban guns, they spit on democracy, they want a war with all europeans country that want out of the EU, they want a war with Russia...
Hum what else, oh yeah the EU is controlled by USA empire.
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>>73198072
Germany claims solidarnosk? That's lulzy. I feel for you Polska. They're gonna use you as a buffer zone.
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>>73198589
Germany wasn't allowed any military until recently at all.
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>>73198753
better than usa conquering us desu
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>>73197455
fpbp
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>>73198945
Do you have a McDonalds in your town Czechbro? KFC maybe? We don't take over your fucking economy, we just add ours to yours.
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>>73198945
USA are literally responsible for 70% of western Europe's defence.

If they wanted to conquer us they could do it in a week with just a few exceptions
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>>73198941
>wasn't allowed any military until recently
Fucking wrong. The Americans allowed them to build up a self-defense force back in the 1960s because they wanted to use them as cannon fodder if the Soviets turned the war hot.
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>>73198932
"solidarity" means Poland and other smelly shitholes leeching off wealthier EU countries(literally every single lamppost in Central and Eastern Europe has a "sponsored by the EU" sign) and sending the worst of their chav trash to beg for welfare in Western Europe as they steal, rob and rape on the side.
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>>73198917
I have faith in your future France. Germany is gone. I'm sorry if my country has any part in the EU.
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Created by jews,run by jews,flag designed by jews.The stars symbolises the Twelve tribes of Israel.
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Originally the Americans created it because they wanted to keep the commies out of Europe and because they wanted a market to sell their products.

Nowadays it works only as an object of Germany's delusions of grandeur.
It also helps the muslims to migrate faster and in much greater numbers.
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>>73199293
>Germany Jr. gets uppity: the post
So why did the EU invite all these leech countries? To serve what purpose, its self-destruction?
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>>73199064
they dont want to, or at least didnt. a vassal union was more beneficial. now that things are shifting germanys way again i wouldnt be surprised if they tried something, especially playing up the muslim angle for casus beli. the culture is similar enough after all this time under their influence that integration into usa might be feasable with military force
>>73199053
czech mcdonalds are shit senpai
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>>73199293
Even a poorfag country like Poland gives more money to the EU than it takes back.

That's what a huge waste of money this entire organisation is.
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>>73199447
>mcdonalds are shit
But they are there nonetheless. We have merely injected some of our economy into yours, we don't actively control it like your whipcrackers in Brussels do.
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>>73199117
>my sides
This "force" was tiny, useless and symbolic to placate German politicians and public. Actual archives reveal that the plan was to sacrifice Germany to nuke fire and distract the Soviets to stike at the heart of the USSR directly.
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>>73199422
EU is cancer
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>>73199613
hey now dont twist my words. mcdonalds is delicious, czech mcdonalds is shit

yeah i know you want to make money off us and spread your jew culture, you cant just annex foreign places and expect to hold them look at iraq or veitnam, get us used to mcburgers, teach us english, subvert and replace our traditions and world veiws and its much easier to hold the territory
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>>73197208
Will be better if the Muslims vote to leave this summer.
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>>73199821
I just don't understand why a political union would coalesce with the end goal of fucking itself out of existence.

>>73199853
Now you know and I know that cultural victories are easier than military ones, albeit longer in process. But the MIC in this country loves to swing its swollen nuts around to pay Lockheed and the other contractors a truckload of taxpayer cash for their toys.

Now I'm gonna go grab an American made double quarter pounder and large fry. :^)
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>>73197208
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>>73197208
Europe working together: YAY
EU: NAY
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>>73200338
>I just don't understand why a political union would coalesce with the end goal of fucking itself out of existence.
The EU's goal isn't making money so inviting poorer countries doesn't contradict it. Its current goal is to unite Europe under their leftist ideologies and spread Germany's influence
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>>73197208
It's shit. It's like communism, it sounds good on paper. What you end up having is poo poo nations like Greece, Italy, and SPain dragging everyone else down.
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>>73197208
Great idea, powerful goal

retarded backfiring nicolasturgeony execution
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>>73200937
If half of these countries being courted to join have paid attention to what happens to others that become EU subjects, they'll never fucking join. Unless there's some serious under-the-table ficki ficki going on with the upper echelon of politicians. Which there usually is.

You need to bail, Limebro.
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>>73197455
/thread

>>73197475
Why are Germans always brainwashed the hardest when it comes to the EU? They're the only ones profiting from it.
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My impression is that a United European state is going to happen. But only because the bureaucrats of EU decided to substitute the populations of the European countries with immigrants to accomplish this.
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>>73201298
The majority of politician's will always push to join the EU, eurosceptic governments are a minority that get demonised as Belarus tier dictatorships.

Even Poland's current government gets this treatment and they are total EUcucks that signed and ratified the Lisbon treaty (which pretty much puts EU decisions above your country's laws).

The one nugget is the referendum and I have no idea how do people in those countries feel about joining.

>You need to bail, Limebro.
I'll vote for Brexit
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>>73197208

2nd soviet union.

Undemocratic, and actively undermining national sovereignty to build a socialist superstate.

Pure. Evil.
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If your county is in the EU, whats the benefits of it?
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>>73201922
thats the problem, there are none
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>>73201972
Seems like that from the outside yes, will GB exit I wonder?
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>>73198206

come on, taking unlimited number of immigrants wasnt THAT BAD idea
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>>73201922
Opening your gates to hordes of, Er, I mean, expanding your horizons and introducing your country to many different and beneficial cultures
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It's an union that tries to mesh all European countries together into a melting pot like America.

It's a terrible experiment because these countries are based on history, culture and language instead an idea.
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>>73202037
>will GB exit I wonder?
No.
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Fuck the EU
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EU is a cancer. It caused the death of hundred french farmers, I wonder when those bureaucrats will be put on trial for their crimes.
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The idea of "being European" is terrible. I've never had identity like that. Apparently some Western Europeans do. Some Finns abandon the Finnish identity and become European instead.
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>>73202477
wtf
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>>73202593
Revolution when?
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>>73201593
I can't fathom this. "Oh hey, this would be economic, cultural and national suicide to join the Euro Kool Kids Klub. LET'S FUCKING DO IT!"
Does the EU just make it look good initially and then screw its constituent nations over once they've taken the bait?

>I'll vote for Brexit
Good man. Lime and Burger might bant a fuckton but we're still bros and you guys deserve to be free from Belgian slavery.
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>>73202865
The majority of people I know support the EU simply because they want a unified Europe, not because of any specific policies. They place "European values" (a vague term used a lot to justify EU interfering in internal affairs) over their own culture. It's pretty much a part of this whole being progressive movement.

If you're anti EU then you're a backwards nationalist stuck in the middle ages.
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>>73202593
>>73202675
>forget us God if we forget the sacred sword of Lafayette
We can repay our freedom by helping you with yours again, baguettebro.
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>>73202865
>Does the EU just make it look good initially and then screw its constituent nations over once they've taken the bait?
No. They just offer large sums of money.
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>>73203154
So they have a generic "pro" attitude but if you bring up any specific thoughts as to why you should be "anti" you're backwards? What are "European values" anyway? What does it mean? Getting browndicked and enjoying it? Answering to a cabal of leaders that literally don't know you exist, nor they care that you do?

I never thought about it before but patriotism can be dangerous as fuck if it gets warped from its original purpose.
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>>73197208
They joined together to be economically competitive with the USA.
They have been breaking apart, over the fact that ther Euro has a different buying power in different regions.
They don't realize that the USA has had this issue with the dollar since forever, but just lives with it.
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>>73203154
>If you're anti EU then you're a backwards nationalist stuck in the middle ages.

holy shit! this

this is used by Polish mainstream

we could be working for Germans it got to hectic , I guess they got to greedy, or their puppets here just had a feeling of being untouchable

it is why they are so butthurt now
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>>73203493
>So they have a generic "pro" attitude but if you bring up any specific thoughts as to why you should be "anti" you're backwards?
Exactly. Being anti EU has a similar stigma to being anti gay.

>What are "European values" anyway?
In theory - democracy, rule of law etc etc

In practice - doing whatever Merkel tells you to do
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>>73203784
its brilliant desu, using you own retarded anglo bullshit against you.
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>>73203349
So your politicians sell you into servitude. Except your politicians are also indentured servants of the Brussels cabal, they just don't feel the chains as heavily or they try to emulate them so they don't feel like the slaves they are.

What kind of brainfog zeitgeist has come over Europa?
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>>73203558

has Montana ever genocided Arizona or something?

I dont even blame Germans, some wounds just do not heal that fast
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Cheap labor. When Germany needs more they add more countries
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>>73203954
It's been a while, and the descendants of the survivors now own casinos on reservation land.
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>>73202037
>will GB exit I wonder?
yes
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>>73203784
>european values = american values but with less mohammadicking
Do they not understand that "European Values" are just "decent human being values"? Or is it a pride thing? They can feel morally superior as they get beheaded for insulting isl*m.

You redpilled Brits need to move here and savor some actual freedoms. Shoot some guns, eat some burgers and smoke some cigars.
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>>73202477
ofc sweden would JUST
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>>73203954
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_of_Native_Americans

Most of the AmerInds have gotten the fuck over it, realize that they got beat at their own game and have more or less integrated. Some tribes are still spicy as fuck though and you have groups like AIM who are essentially nativist terrorists.
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>>73204092

Yeah a while. Subhuman jokes aside I guess they really think on us as some lesser beings.

Let me be 100% honest: Slavs are different. Spiritual, a bit crazy, lazy, a sure thing. Maybe a bit clueless and unpredictable. Making them Germans by force is a risky thing. It hurts a lot. Anything done by force is not liberal. It may finish as a disaster. And so it is.

Slavs are also not cheapskates so it is easy to cheat on them. And some people just cannot stand the opportunity..

We are tired, very tired. I feel like a war ended.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/05/prime-ministers-listen-too-much-to-voters-complains-eus-juncker/

>Prime Ministers listen too much to voters, complains EU's Juncker

>Elected leaders are making life “difficult” because they spend too much time thinking about what they can get out of EU and kowtowing to public opinion, rather than working on “historic” projects such as the Euro, he said.
>The president of the European Commission ridiculed British leaders for acting on "national reflexes" and telling voters they had successfully defended the country's national interest in post-summit press conferences, rather than "speaking over Europe in the proper way".
>“Too many politicians are listening exclusively to their national opinion. And if you are listening to your national opinion you are not developing what should be a common European sense and a feeling of the need to put together efforts. We have too many part-time Europeans.”
>“It's a quite common opinion in Brussels that the EU always has problems with its member states and our lives would be much more comfortable without member states," he said.

Here is your fucking European union.
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Great ideas ruined by self-serving undemocratic beurocrats

For example I actually quite liked the idea of a European Constitution but when they tried to implement it, it was something like 700 pages long. It just misses the point and is completely unefficient.
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One of the largest problems it seems to me, an ignorant American, is the potential for poorer states like Greece and Italy dragging everyone down because they share the same currency. But for a country like Britain, who doesn't share the Euro, what's the biggest downside? Open borders? What other problems are there for a country like Britain in regards to the EU? Trying to get more informed.
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>>73204605

do you think it will happen to us?
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>>73203925
>So your politicians sell you into servitude. Except your politicians are also indentured servants of the Brussels cabal, they just don't feel the chains as heavily or they try to emulate them so they don't feel like the slaves they are.
exactly

>What kind of brainfog zeitgeist has come over Europa?
That doesn't matter.
What matters is how we get rid of it.
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>>73204650
Sometimes all you can do it think about what you will do tomorrow.
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>>73204650
No my friend. The war us comming.
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>>73204654
>our lives would be much more comfortable without member states
Feels USSR man
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>>73204788
I don't know braciszek. I hope not, but if it comes, you fuckers fight. You fight with every ounce of blood and guts and vigor you have. You fight until there's nothing left of you, and then you keep fighting.
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>>73204756
There is a shit load of beurocratic red tape to businesses, some of it good or well intentioned but there is always a case where it fucks somebody over. Since it's EU law, local politicians don't and can't bother dealing with it. Look up EU fishing laws and try to make sense of it all.
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>>73204654
Is this fucking real life? That sounds like something the fucking Soviet Politburo would say, not an "enlightened" European democracy.

Saving this link for ammunition. Thanks woodshoes.
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>>73204882
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZEURntrQOg
best to just sit back and enjoy, it will be a very big one and we probably wont make it out
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>>73204756
Because no country within the EU is truly sovereign. By joining the EU you're literally accepting EU's authority over your country and your country can not pass anything that would contradict the EU law.

It's not like slavery or anything but it gets retarded sometimes like Germany telling everyone to accept immigrants or pay 125k for each refused.
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>>73204908
Welcome to the Union of European Socialistic Republics
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It will all be over soon
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>>73197475
FUCK OFF ACHMED
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>>73204654
greece is still in recession due to german public opinion and nothing else.

The public does not understand economics, the public is not reasonable, the public runs the EU which is why it can only fail.

A federal europe is a nightmare, but greece has no choice; it is a failed state.

>Enforcing policy through economics, who would have thought.
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>>73205581
>like Germany telling everyone to accept immigrants or pay 125k for each refused.
250k but it's just a proposal. No way it's getting adopted if only Germany, Greece, Sweden and Italy support it. There are 24 other countries that will veto the fuck out of it with Austria and the Slavs leading the charge.
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>>73197208
Internationalists who hate poor people of every race equally.

Who cares if Europe is flooded with Blacks, Muslims or Asians? We need to grow the economy. People and cultures are entirely expendable.
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Germany won't let EU die off so easily because it's an industrial nation.

Why?

Because the EU project gave Germany's industries a market 500% bigger than their domestic (~85 million vs ~500 million) WITHOUT TARIFFS!

If the EU fails, Germany will face fierce economic regression. That's why they prefer to be cucked and raped instead of being men, for the fucking money.

The sad thing is that nearly no one gets it. They all seem to buy that the EU project was for uniting all European people and stave off a potential future major military conflict.

Bullshit

Those who orchestrated this Ponzi scheme called EU only wanted profits that translates to more power, that translates to even more profits that [...]

Look what this fucked up thing has gotten us into. The middle class in every single EU country is decimated for the profit of the globalists. From industries to high-skilled professionals they are all getting gutted.

For example, the major German industries killed off most of the rest of the European ones because they had more capital > better equipment > lower prices

But take a look at German middle class. There's a huge influx of high skilled workers from the southern countries. For example doctors from Spain and Greece go to Germany and fuck up their wages. And I point out the profession of doctors for being thought as an unlikely one.

So let's say it again, in hopes that some people may actually understand it; PROJECT EU EXIST JUST TO KILL THE MIDDLE CLASS IN EUROPE. THERE IS NO OTHER LEGITIMATE REASON
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>>73205390
The scariest part is that no one cares. Juncker has been saying this kind of shit ever since he was appointed (no one voted for him) top dog of the EU, yet there is no one who speaks out against this shitstain.

The only time people cared about what he said is when he tried to influence a referendum here earlier this year, saying that if we vote against the pro-EU stance there'd be a "continental crisis" - in the end literally nothing happened as both our government and the EU ignored it.

>>73205775
Yeah you guys are getting the short end of the stick. Imagine if you would have been able to do the same thing Iceland did when their economy imploded. You could have been well on your way to recovery by now.
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>>73205333
>>73205581
Would you say that the EU is more of a nuisance, or a serious detriment to the well-being of your country? What would be the economic downside of leaving the EU be then? It seems to expedite the trading process between the whole of Europe and America, for example. Would the economic downside of leaving be worth it?
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REMINDER FOR AMERIFAGS TO REMOVE THEMSELVES FROM THIS EURO THREAD

>b-b-but muh heritage 1/16th german, 5/69th italian etc
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>>73206275
>Would the economic downside of leaving be worth it?
No. Belgium can't even feed itself. We don't have anything to export.
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>>73205999
He got appointed as big boss but people still call your system a democracy? I feel for people that actually think or pay attention in the EU, it must be a living hell.

And yeah, no surprise a politician uses fear to try and get shit passed. Just look at the wannabe gun controllers over here.
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>>73206665
why do people pretend democracy is a good thing?
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>>73198679
Wrong. There are election every 5 year. Stop spreading that the EU is "Unelected"
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>>73206801
Switzerland is probably the only democracy left in the world and they are doing just fine.
They even pass laws to keep the mudshits out and canceled the gay marriage with a referendum.
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>>73206665
EU is like federal government, that is not elected

Imagine if you can elect your local state govt, but not federal govt or president. That is life in EU. For small country it must be very bad.
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Thanks to the EU I now have to have electronic tirepressue sensors installed onto my car and my sewer system is not good enough anymore.

And Im not even a member...
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>>73206801
I'm from a constitutional republic. An actual democratic government would be a nightmare for 49% of the population, as it is nothing more than communism by vote. But the concept and application of democracy within a republic framework is not a bad thing.

>>73207367
Sounds like a fucking nightmare bratan. And they did it partly because they're still scared of you.
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>>73207700
You guys manage to be more cucked by not being part of the EU somehow.

Switzerland gets away with it because neutral mountain banker jews, I guess.
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