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>>73154745
>SNP: 41.3% of the vote
>Zero seats
How does that work? Please explain.
>>73154745
First for UKIP.
>>73154829
They won a lot of constituency seats, which count as seats elected for the list seats under a D'Hondt method.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Additional_Member_System
Can someone give me a quick rundown of "Green Party" platform other than "muh global warming, muh renewable energy, mug organic farms...
Is that really enough on which to base a fucking party?
>>73154745
>SNP gets 41.3% of the votes
>0 seats
nice "democracy" you have there. No wonder the Euros want you out.
>>73154829
The more seats you win in constituency the less you get in regional.
There's some maths behind it too.
The greens tried to push 'vote us in regional, it'll count for more' but splitting your vote snp/green really doesn't help as much as people think. It helps the cons and labour more overall.
Why are the Cons doing well in Scotland? I thought most Scots hated them because muh Thatcher
Also, any UKIP gains in Wales?
>>73154745
>UKIP making significant gains
>labour BTFO
yes
>>73154963
>Can someone give me a quick rundown of "Green Party" platform other than "muh global warming, muh renewable energy, mug organic farms...
>Money? What's that?
>Military? What's that?
A lot of their policies are maybe 200 years too early too. Great in a utopia, terrible in the real world.
>>73154976
>Why are the Cons doing well in Scotland?
Anti-SNP voting, Labour collapse.
> any UKIP gains in Wales?
No constituencies, wait for the list votes, they're expecting 5-8 seats of the 60 total in the assembly.
>>73154963
They're very left wing bordering on communist. Though it is mainly muh trees and windmills.
>>73154829
It's the party list part of the electoral system.
It distributes seats based on number of votes and how many constituency seats they won, the more constituency seats the less they get through the party list. It's retarded and was designed entirely to stop the SNP from forming a majority government.
>>73154976
55% of Scots said no to indyref, Labour was really weak on unionist talk so the Cons took the initiative and have won the unionist vote.
>>73154829
Silly people giving their list vote to RISE/Green/Solidarity.
Here's hoping if the SNP lack a majority they spite the Greens and try to work with unionists. Fucking horrified at the idea of what Green influence could look like.
>>73154976
They've always hovered around 15% support
Labour absolutely imploded and 'Yes' Labour types defected in 2015.
>>73154976
>Why are the Cons doing well in Scotland? I thought most Scots hated them because muh Thatcher
The Thatcher effect is somewhat overstated if you look at the numbers. It was the catalyst for a decline that had been coming since the Unionist party joined the cons.
Now the cons have managed to push the 'reasonable opposition' line and it's worked.
>>73155165
What is RISE?
>>73155358
"Respect, Independence, Socialism, Environmentalism"
Yeah.
>>73154976
It's more an anti-Westminster sentiment in Scotland than anti-Conservative.
>>73154829
Also think of it like this:
For every seat green wins by a split vote (snp/green) con and labour win 1 each. A net loss for the indy parties of 1 seat. Sometimes the libs will get one too so that's 3 for 1.
That's a gross oversimplification but overall split voting doesn't work.
>>73155358
Generic socialists
Also just woke up minutes before the list seats started coming in. Who /ruth/
>>73155482
Ruth won her constituency m8
>UKIP vote doubled in the last hour.
They still counting regional votes?
>>73155518
I know, I was shit posting heavily during it
nigel
>>73155552
ask this guy
>>73155555
>>73155482
Greens cucked the SNP out of Ed Central
>>73155464
Or read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D'Hondt_method
Split voting does not work unless you really want that second list party to get seats at all costs. SNP/Green is dumb if you want to maximise indy parties but Green pushed for it on that line. It's only good if you want to maximise green seats.
You can google this up or work through the maths yourself but the D'Hondt method is elegantly set up.
>>73155622
Wait, to be clear:
Greens cucked SNP, splitting the vote and letting
/RUTH/ in
>>73155165
Fuck, I don't know which of those three is worse.
>Islam Muhammad
>UKIP Wales
>>73155700
>Tranny
>Muslim
>Vote Labour
There's this part of me genuinely worried that the SNP get into bed with SLab. Labour are such cucks they might go for it
>>73155839
Last time they formed a minority it was with the support of the Cons, don't worry too much.
>>73155893
KEK
>>73155839
>There's this part of me genuinely worried that the SNP get into bed with SLab. Labour are such cucks they might go for it
Labour HATE the SNP and the SNP are no fans of Labour either.
The likely situation is an SNP minority, argument with the Greens over vote splitting and an issue-by-issue vote supply from the Cons (see: 2007).
>>73155827
In what world did Labour think that was smart.
Glasgow Southside is filled with working class scum who are racist/homophobic/ you name it.
Glasgow kelvin is filled with students it should have stood there
>>73155839
Therealready the same IS supporting commies, so they're already in the same bed.
Sure, they may be opponents, but in the end they'll still vote for the same things in Holyrood.
>>73155624
http://wingsoverscotland.com/the-narcissism-of-small-differences/ is fun. (it tells how Coburn got in thanks to the Greens.)
The Greens are very pissy that Wings (for non-Scots, a pro-independence website that goes after the press for attacking the SNP. Lives in England, never voted SNP, but also as in this article calls Greens out for hurting his cause) blames them for Edinburgh Central. It's quite fun to watch.
Fucking terrified of Green influence though. I'm used to the SNP, but Greens are fucking absolutely worse in every way.
>>73155839
If Labour was drowning and the SNP threw them a life-vest Labour would refuse it. The tribal hate for the SNP is absolutely legendary.
>>73155915
Situation is massively different.
>>73155942
Labour have already said they would be neutral over independence, and they're trying to win back old voters who went to the SNP.
SNP are shit scared of the Tories and Labour support would be stronger than JUST the greens
>>73156046
>said they would be neutral over independence
Not exactly. They said Labour MPs, etc, could campaign for it.
Likely situation similar to the Tories now: Official party line is 'No' but others can go 'Yes' if they want.
'Labour for Independence' during the referendum was a joke.
Labour being BTFO on Sky right now...
>>73155981
I'll add onto this for anons that Wings is v. good with numbers if you can read between the blatant indy favour (at least he's honest about his bias).
Only big commentator to correctly predict the con majority in the GE, by the way.
>Fucking terrified of Green influence though. I'm used to the SNP, but Greens are fucking absolutely worse in every way.
The SNP normally throw out the crazies (like they did over Nato). I wouldn't panic too much. Nicola is smart enough to get rid of them anyway.
>>73156046
>Labour have already said they would be neutral over independence, and they're trying to win back old voters who went to the SNP.
Indy =/= SNP. Labour really do hate the SNP and losing Glasgow will compound that. They will NOT work with them and the SNP wouldn't risk their image doing so.
>SNP are shit scared of the Tories and Labour support would be stronger than JUST the greens
They worked with the Tories before and really are probably closer to them politically than Labour. If not the Libs exist too.
>>73156205
R A R E
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Dugdale is a blubbering idiot
Another tory constituency, safe hold
This opposition is going to be fucking great.
when is next chance for Scotland to hold another referendum?
>>73156205
Link? I can't find a Sky stream working in NZ
>>73156269
Never if the SNP cant pull another 7 seats from a hat.
>>73156269
Likely if the UK leaves the EU and Scotland votes to remain
Wishing you guys lucky on BREXIT, #Can'tBarageTheFarage #MakeUKGreatAgain
>>73156269
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU
>>73156286
http://news.sky.com/watch-live
>>73156269
RARE AS A TORY MAJORITY
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Referendum all depends on if the SNP get a majority. If they do, then very likely: If dependent on the Greens, possible, if SNP+GRN isn't a majority, impossible.
>>73156269
RARE
>>73156269
Not for 5 years if they don't have enough for a majority vote (with the greens helping).
>>73156269
Next chance would be if the UK votes to leave the EU next month and Scotland votes to stay in.
>>73156324
Likely that Lib dems and Labour msps would support independence in the case of leaving the EU with Scots voting to remain
>>73156269
>>73156363
They can't hold one without westminster agreeing
>>73154745
So I don't understand at all, is this election going to be a big deciding thing or just a normal every-day life one?
>>73156424
Westminster refusing agreement isn't worth getting into. It wouldn't be very British to overtly refuse it.
>>73156363
>Referendum all depends on if the SNP get a majority. If they do, then very likely: If dependent on the Greens, possible, if SNP+GRN isn't a majority, impossible.
SNP don't want a ref anon. Bitching about the UK keeps them unified and popular. Hell they didn't plan for one in 2014 because nobody saw 2011 coming out as a majority. Much like the cons and the EU ref they promised it expecting to be argued down by coalition partners or as a minority government.
>>73156286
watching on satellite tv where I work, don't know where to stream. someone else here prob knows though...
>>73156442
This is state legislature but with an independence movement.
Imagine Texas with a third party seeking independence and having huge support and imagine independence was realistically possible.
>>73156442
It's the biggest outside a general election in a long time, lots of different stuff going on
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35813119
>>73156354
Yeah doesn't work here,
i was hoping proxyfag would have an international link
>>73156442
It's not nothing but it's not earth shaking either.
>>73156442
>So I don't understand at all, is this election going to be a big deciding thing or just a normal every-day life one?
The long-term effects could be huge.
>>73156442
Not really a "big" election, but is interesting for trends it reveals...
>>73156559
The Scottish election is huge
>>73156473
>SNP don't want a ref anon
John McTernan pls.
>Bitching about the UK keeps them unified and popular
The only reason they're unified internally is to achieve independence.
>they didn't plan for one in 2014 because nobody saw 2011 coming out as a majority
They've had plans for an independent Scotland going back decades (their 1997 manifesto included a fucking spreadsheet), they wanted to hold a referendum after they were elected in 2007 but Wendy "Bring it on" Alexander got fucked by Labour internal politics and it wasn't possible.
>Much like the cons and the EU ref they promised it expecting to be argued down by coalition partners or as a minority government.
The reason it was a SNP minority and not a SNP-lib coalition was that the SNP wouldn't drop a desire for a referendum.
REEE
Is BBC still doing election coverage? Skype has stopped.
>>73156713
BBC is, yes. At least in Scotland.
>>73156713
HOLY RARE FLAG
>>73156528
So is it an independence movement from the EU or like with Scotland wanting independence?
>>73156531
>>73156545
>>73156546
Thanks the rest of you.
Looks like a minority SNP administration
Sky News still seems to be predicting a majority but I can't see how that adds up
>>73156830
Regions still to declare.
They could possibly get some in highlands in the south scotland and highlands.
>>73156269
Saved
Will there be any blowback from London now having a muzzie mayor who used to defend terrorists?
>>73156974
No because London is full of muzzies and muzzie sympathisers
>>73156662
>John McTernan pls.
Movements like the SNP always break apart when they achieve their objective. See: The Night of the Long Knives.
The SNP has the East Coast conservative/rural wing (Salmond) and the West Coast SJW wing (Nicola) and they're only held together by indy.
>The only reason they're unified internally is to achieve independence.
Which is what I said faggot.
>They've had plans for an independent Scotland going back decades (their 1997 manifesto included a fucking spreadsheet), they wanted to hold a referendum after they were elected in 2007 but Wendy "Bring it on" Alexander got fucked by Labour internal politics and it wasn't possible.
But they didn't expect to actually get a majority in 2011 or the foreseeable future (AMS was adopted to prevent that ffs). Hell polls put indy in the 20s or 30s so why would they want to call the ref then?
>The reason it was a SNP minority and not a SNP-lib coalition was that the SNP wouldn't drop a desire for a referendum.
Which was planned. They can't back down from their demand for indy without upsetting people but they really can't win that fight now.
>>73156830
They'll probably be a coalition with the Greens, or at least some kind or agreement.
>>73156913
The number of constituency seats that they got means they may not get enough list seats to make up the numbers.
>>73156809
Independence from UK.
>>73157100
Oh I believe I see the issue now. Well good luck with the outcome then.
>>73156913
They need another 6 or so from the remaining regions. Seems impossible.
>>73157073
Doubt they'll go for any formal agreement.
They can probably bribe the Greens with more money for insulation or something.
>>73157044
>Movements like the SNP always break apart when they achieve their objective.
I don't deny this.
My point is that they do want to achieve their objective and come apart.
>Which is what I said faggot.
You said they didn't want a referendum. [They don't want one in unfavorable circumstances, but they DO want one.]
>Hell polls put indy in the 20s or 30s so why would they want to call the ref then?
Because they believed they could build support - and in reality, they did. They took it from 20-30 to 45. For all they now try to spin it as a large victory, Darling considered 60/40 "close" early on.
>they really can't win that fight now.
They can possibly in the event of an EU referendum voting difference.
Especially because Euroshills would quite possibly support independence.
>>73157073
>>73157237
They've gained no seats on their 2011 result in the Highlands.
We'll find out soon, it's declaring now.
SNP AND GREEN LOOKING LIKELY
THEY ONLY NEED 3 SEATS BETWEEN THEM
ONE CONSTITUENCY LEFT: WAS SAFE MAJORITY FOR SNP
5 REGIONS TO GO: LIKELY ONLY NEED 2 SEATS
What are the real differences in ideology between Labour and the SNP?
Both seem like Leftism scum. The entire idea of giving the Scots their own parliament and pandering to them was a disaster.
Anyone else feel like we're seeing Europe fall apart before our eyes?
>>73157384
SNP+Green in now.
1 SNP and 1 Green in Highland.
>>73157427
SNP don't really have principles beyond independence. They've tried to position themselves as centre left in the past few years, but they're choosing austerity economics because they can blame Tories in London for it. It's populist politics.
The Tory success is a very good sign of things to come though.
>>73156205
R E A L L Y
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>>73157581
Labour hasn't had principles in ages either.
Hence why they've swung so rapidly from attacking the SNP's "something for nothing" culture to demanding tax rises.
>>73157242
>My point is that they do want to achieve their objective and come apart.
In the long term yes. In 2011 they were not going to win the ref so why push for it then?
>You said they didn't want a referendum. [They don't want one in unfavorable circumstances, but they DO want one.]
The didn't want one IN 2011.
>Because they believed they could build support - and in reality, they did. They took it from 20-30 to 45. For all they now try to spin it as a large victory, Darling considered 60/40 "close" early on.
They didn't believe they could IN 2011. They got too into it and started to believe they could win but that was after the fact.
>They can possibly in the event of an EU referendum voting difference.
Which wasn't on the table back in 2011. Hell it'd be brilliant for them to not have had the ref in 2014 and have it instead in the wake of the EU ref (or even before it).
Again Cameron made the same mistake with the EU ref thinking the SNP would argue him down. Granted he doesn't want it ever while the SNP only wanted to delay it until it was winnable but still.
>>73157664
At least they're a left wing party actually being left wing. It's a bit more honest than the SNP champagne socialist pandering
>>73157664
That's more to do with ideological change in the leadership though.
>>73157720
A lot of Labour supporters are champagne socialist.
>>73157798
I don't doubt it, but snp policy benefits the middle class while masquerading as helping the poor when it doesn't.
Scottish Labour policy would actually force middle class socialists to put their money where their mouth is
>>73157581
Exactly this. The political beliefs of their politicians are, apart from independence, more varied than probably a lot of Scots realise. If people are voting for them because of their "lefty politics", then they might be in for a shock at how right wing some of their politicians can be.
>>73157581
That's what I don't get. You'd think losing the referendum would have destroyed them.
Very odd. Overall more confusing than US politics..
>>73157720
This. Whatever Corbyn is, at least he isn't a hypocrite.
>>73157698
In 2014 they came dangerously close to winning the ref.
>The didn't want one IN 2011.
Yes they did. Otherwise they could still have avoided the issue. Support for independence wasn't going to be built by anything but a campaign for independence. At best, they wanted devo-max on the ballot.
2014 was a reasonable time for a referendum. Staring down the prospect of another Tory government with historical tendencies. This was predicted (albeit for June) on the BBC's election night program in 2011.
>>73157720
>At least they're a left wing party actually being left wing
Are you fucking insane.
You're talking about the party that had been run by Tony Blair until the year the SNP won their majority.
Tony fucking Blair.
"Actually being left wing"
The SNP are centre-left social democrats. New Labour were centrists, Scottish Labour have been everything from to the left of the SNP to being just as right as the tories.
>>73157798
I'm pretty sure a certain Labourite said something about weathercocks and signposts when it comes to this kind of thing.
>>73157921
When you take into account a) the lower turnout in the two elections since the referendum, b) indy supporters are more mobilised and trying to enact change so are more likely to head out and vote, and c) that unionists aren't voting purely for one issue and are split amongst several parties, that's why.
Also a huge portion of independence supporters genuinely believe the referendum was rigged.
>>73158029
I'm talking about SLab in this specific campaign
UKIP fail to win a seat in Scotland
>>73157997
Corbyn is basically standing on Miliband's policies at this stage.
Granted it's largely down to incompetence instead of cynicism, but the idea that he's anything but a weathercock is laughable.
>>73158085
Fuck anyone who wasted a possible Tory vote on UKIP desu
>>73158084
Which is silly. Labour's death in Scotland and ideological machinations didn't happen in one election.
If Kezia is out, you'll see another set of policies from Labour.
>>73158093
>anything but a weathercock is laughable.
To be clear, I mean only after election.
Like the SNP on English-only issues, he had a very firm principled position until he was put near power.
>>73157921
> That's what I don't get. You'd think losing the referendum would have destroyed them.
Historically losing a referendum has never killed a party. Quebec, Italian separatists, NI and so on.
Hell this isn't even the first indyref they've lost.
If you believe your cause is just and inevitable you just say 'we only need to get lucky once' and try again in a few decades. They're right too, the only way to stop indy long-term is proper reform (i.e. federalism) or martial law.
>In 2014 they came dangerously close to winning the ref.
Which they did not expect. And they were 10% short.
>Yes they did. Otherwise they could still have avoided the issue.
Sticking it in the manifesto when you don't think you'll get a majority (polls said they wouldn't) is good for votes. It worked in 2007...
>2014 was a reasonable time for a referendum. Staring down the prospect of another Tory government with historical tendencies.
2014 was a reasonable time for it IF you had to have one between 2011 and 2015. Still better not to have had one at all.
>This was predicted (albeit for June) on the BBC's election night program in 2011.
After a majority looked likely. Also back then the SNP were being a lot more cautious on the 'we'll probably not win' line and only really started getting hyped when the polls got closer.
CAN'T SWAY ORKNEY!
Did anyone see how BASED LIAM BTFO the SNP?
>>73158141
>If Kezia is out, you'll see another set of policies from Labour.
Sarwar and a return to blairite crap is my bet. They'll probably blame Corbyn.
>>73158231
Fucking pottery
>>73158192
Second part of that was for >>73158029 obviously.
>>73154745
Just woke up, does London have sharia yet ?
Oh fuck.
I think that's it. SNP and greens have done it.
>>73158334
Assuming the SNP don't tell the greens to fuck off anyway.
It's better for their image to be in minority.
>>73158384
Yeah I'm assuming a minority
Have we got the London results?
LONDON IS MUSLIM LAND NOW KUFFAR
PAY JIZYA TO YOUR EMIR AND SUBMIT
>>73158334
>>73158384
There's no way they'll go into coalition, just isn't necessary
Still means a pro-independence majority overall
>>73158192
>Quebec
1995 lead PQ in long term decline, did it not?
>Hell this isn't even the first indyref they've lost.
I hope you mean PQ here. SNP have only lost one.
>And they were 10% short.
Which isn't half as close as it's made out to be now.
They might not have expected it, but a referendum was necessary to build support. It's quite possible they even took the "you get 2 tries" position on it. SNP's first result is closer to PQ's 2nd.
>is good for votes
Handing Labour a blunt instrument to bludgeon you over the head (vote SNP for chaos and independence) with is good for votes?
>Also back then the SNP were being a lot more cautious on the 'we'll probably not win' line and only really started getting hyped when the polls got closer.
Pretty standard. You always say you're going to win before the election because admitting you'll lose weakens the aim.
>>73158434
Which is ideal from my pov.
SNP minority with cons tempering their insanity.
>>73158493
Assuming the greens don't throw a fit.
>>73158523
The Greens are little shits.
>Sign agreement with the SNP minority
>Refuse to vote through the budget.
Hopefully the SNP prefers tacit unionist support to them.
Morning lads, anyone got a quick review of the night so far for those just waking up?
Just turned on the election coverage and its fat Tom Watson's face yet again, I'm not sure I can stomach it this early.
>>73158589
Labour have been utterly BTFO in Scotland, the TORIES are going to be official opposition.
Central: 3x Lab, 2x Con.
SNP are fucked.
>>73158740
Sorry, that's 4 lab, 3 con.
Same general idea though
>>73157997
>not a hypocrite
>demands his mps compromise their principles
>refuses to comprise his
>lies constantly from momet he is elected
this "at least Corbyn is not like other politicians" meme has to die
>>73154745
So I don't know much, but UKIP got a ton of votes. But only 1 seat. WTF is that?
>>73158740
They'll get the pro independence majority, which is all that really matters for Sturgeon's ability to bluff for a referendum at any time.
>when your neighbouring constituency votes tory yet you're stuck with the snp
Tory vote up 19% here though, good job. Scotland's hard liberal shell has begun to crack.
>>73158589
Scotland is tory now
Wales is still gay and stupid
England is literally nothing
Northern Ireland is learning how to count before they count the votes.
>>73158436
Some time tonight.
>>73158842
Nope, Greens are fucking idiots who want a "citizens initiative"
Sturgeon needs cynical timing to be in it to win it, the Greens have a fetish for doing it with the worst timing possible.
>>73158510
>1995 lead PQ in long term decline, did it not?
Partly but that was their second vote and it led to some real change which you might argue counts as 'federalism'. At the very least devolution resets the clock as we've seen in the UK, Italy, Spain etc.
>I hope you mean PQ here. SNP have only lost one.
>1979
They peaked high in 74 then lost support after the 79 ref as, at that point, they WERE a one-issue party of indy only. Still didn't kill them ofc.
>Which isn't half as close as it's made out to be now.
That was my point. The SNP are not dumb and knew they wouldn't win. Salmond got caught up in it and that was part of the reason he stepped down.
>They might not have expected it, but a referendum was necessary to build support. It's quite possible they even took the "you get 2 tries" position on it. SNP's first result is closer to PQ's 2nd.
Once they were forced into it they made the best of it and I'd agree they planned for a loss early on but they did not want it in 2011.
>Handing Labour a blunt instrument to bludgeon you over the head (vote SNP for chaos and independence) with is good for votes?
Letting Labour look anti-scottish is ideal actually. If you aren't likely to win a majority saying majority = referendum gets the indy crowd to back you while the unionist crowd won't care (they know you won't get a majority).
>Pretty standard. You always say you're going to win before the election because admitting you'll lose weakens the aim.
They did not expect to win originally. With that in mind it would have been better not to hold a ref if possible and keep it for something like this EU situation.
It was a mistake they made good use of. Nobody saw their majority coming least of all the SNP (at least not until they couldn't back out of the manifesto).
>>73158441
>55% non white
it is 60% white plus bro
>>73158858
Maybe we'll eventually want to keep you in the Kingdom.
>>73158561
>Hopefully the SNP prefers tacit unionist support to them.
I suspect them forcing the greens into a fit-throwing situation then saying 'oh well we have to work with the cons'.
>>73158858
Speaking of which, these guys must be feeling pretty isolated.
There is literally no way the SNP can get tory support. Is this guy fucking retarded?
>>73158589
literally nothing has happened in England except UKIP have made a few gains
Labour have been wiped out in Scotland by the looks of things
London results not in but Khan will win because opinion polls
who gives a fuck. brits are the worst unfunny posters
>>73159015
> There is literally no way the SNP can get tory support. Is this guy fucking retarded?
They did it before anon and the Tories fucking campaigned on 'we'll make the SNP be reasonable'.
>>73159015
It's basically what happened from 2007-2011
>>73158911
1979 was not an independence referendum, it was a referendum on a Scottish parliament.
It got 50.4% 'Yes' support and lost on a rule requiring 40% of the whole electorate to vote Yes.
The SNP have been trying to get a referendum for decades, at least as far back to 1997 [well, SNP MPs negotiate terms of independence, then that's put to a referendum.]
Those times were no more ideal than 2011-2015 was.
It wasn't a mistake even if it wasn't politically ideal timing.
Is there somewhere I can follow this without video or stream? I'm on 3G.
>>73159015
They don't want a coalition.
All you need is for them to occasionally back the budget in exchange for a token concession.
YES WE KHAN
>>73159052
go back to /int/ you braindead nigger and take your cancerous country posting with you
flags have ruined this board
>>73159086
>>73159088
Is it 2007 right now? SNP support is based on independence and being anti-tory. Tories are literally the only party they won't be able to make a deal with
hoping greens get 1 seat more than lib-dems
>>73159133
And that won't happen under any circumstances. Tories are the one party they can't make concessions with.
>>73159179
>Wanting pro-indy socialists over liberals
What the fuck is Midlothian doing with their votes
NIGE IS ON SKY NEWS RIGHT NOW
Looks like the SNP is beginning to lose it's grip on Scotland.
>>73159209
Yes they can. People can understand the substance of policy.
Labour/Con tried to weaken SNP support by meming about an "informal coalition" with the tories. didn't work.
>>73159266
I'm a retard, I meant the inverse.
They currently have 1 seat more than lib dems.
I'm getting very tired.
>>73159350
I have no idea how you could draw that conclusion. They've got much the same vote share as they did last time.
Maybe because the Cons have some of those nice rural seats that makes the map look much bluer than it actually is. [list seats being more relevant here]
>>73159154
boo hoo faggot. waaahh
>>73159350
Central was 4-3 Labour Tory
>>73159170
No one's talking about a coalition
The Tories will happily work with the SNP on specific issues if they can get things they want
>>73159092
>1979 was not an independence referendum, it was a referendum on a Scottish parliament.
True (lack of sleep, my apoloigies) though the SNP arguably treated it as merely a point on the road to indy and it was certainly still an SNP ref.
>It got 50.4% 'Yes' support and lost on a rule requiring 40% of the whole electorate to vote Yes.
Based on a last-minute rule change from Labour, importantly.
>The SNP have been trying to get a referendum for decades, at least as far back to 1997 [well, SNP MPs negotiate terms of independence, then that's put to a referendum.]
Technically from their formation (or the formation of their predecessor) almost 100 years ago they've wanted indy.
>Those times were no more ideal than 2011-2015 was.
Other than now (EU issues). An indyref right after a big recession is a bad idea. They wouldn't have to put up with complains of repeated refs either.
And even if they thought 2011-2015 WAS ideal they couldn't have predicted their majority so why would they plan for it?
>It wasn't a mistake even if it wasn't politically ideal timing.
It wasn't planned and they really didn't want one then. A good part of the reason it's gone so well for them was also up to the terrible performance of the no campaign (Project Fear etc) and an unexpected surge from social media etc.
>>73159170
>Is it 2007 right now? SNP support is based on independence and being anti-tory. Tories are literally the only party they won't be able to make a deal with
Anon I have fucking leaflets from the Tories saying 'we'll work with the SNP' sitting in my bin.
The SNP will happily take support from them and the Tories are willing to give it.
>>73159350
I really though for a long time they'd win independence and the SNP would govern Scotland with an iron fist like the ANC governs South Africa
>>73158940
In 2011 census London was:
>44.9% White British
>2.9% (or point something) Irish
>12% (point something) White others
And that was 5 years ago
Let the Left correct the record and acknowledge:
>That London is fucked, and will be White minority soon (if it is not now already 5 years later in 2016)
>That other non-British Whites are the only thing keeping Whites above water in London, and that therefore Whites are racial brothers against non-Whites, raising racial consciousness
>>73159359
Tories can only support the SNP govt if they go back on independence which they obviously can't. Labour and Lib Dems would be willing to support indy in some circumstances
>>73159350
Not really
All things considered it's still a thumping victory for the SNP
>>73159480
You can vote for the SNP's budget without voting for independence.
>>73159350
Their vote share has gone UP anon.
Green/RISE/Solidarity stupidity cost them the majority. Split votes do NOT work in D'hont (look at that wings link the other anon posted).
>>73159530
Anon you seem intelligent so I have to assume your tiredness is making you this dense
>>73159052
At least our world IQ is at least 100, gtfo retard.
https://iq-research.info/en/page/average-iq-by-country
Holy shit Hosie trying to defend the fucking named persons scheme. This is why we need the Tories
>>73159459
>it was certainly still an SNP ref.
Not really, it was backed by the PM as well. It was really a Labour reaction to the SNP growing.
>Technically from their formation (or the formation of their predecessor) almost 100 years ago they've wanted indy.
Yeah, I was getting specifically at a referendum.
>And even if they thought 2011-2015 WAS ideal they couldn't have predicted their majority so why would they plan for it?
They couldn't have seriously thought they were winning in 1997 either. They probably enjoyed fantasizing about it and planning it. (Probably not entirely credible plans, but still.)
Tfw labour PCC
>>73159622
AW SHIT YOU GOT ME
faggot
>>73159596
The SNP were proposing an independence referendum in 2007.
Nonetheless the conservatives offered them support on plenty of issues.
Unless you're arguing "The SNP can't get a formal agreement with the Conservatives" which is fucking obvious, but one isn't necessary.
The way I'm reading it, you're implying the Conservatives will always vote against the SNP on a tribal basis.
>>73159649
I think they're trying to make overtures to the tories.
>>73159662
none of the PCC votes have been counted yet
>>73159480
To not support the SNP they'd need to go back on ALL of their campaigning materials. It all talks of Ruth Davidson keeping the SNP sane.
They can easily say 'we'll vote for the budget but not the ref'.
>>73159652
>Not really, it was backed by the PM as well. It was really a Labour reaction to the SNP growing.
And a direct deal with the nationalists (Wales and Scotland) for votes in WM to create a majority. That's not just a reaction to the SNP growing.
The SNP have always treated devolution as a part of the path to indy (and they're broadly right on that).
>Yeah, I was getting specifically at a referendum.
Fair enough though that was always their best bet.
>They couldn't have seriously thought they were winning in 1997 either. They probably enjoyed fantasizing about it and planning it. (Probably not entirely credible plans, but still.)
Well Nicola, at least, has always been a realist. Salmond getting caught up in the ref (you could see it in his face when they lost) was his mistake.
>Speaking Welsh at the declaration when literally everyone in the room speaks English.
>>73159730
>The way I'm reading it, you're implying the Conservatives will always vote against the SNP on a tribal basis.
Though I'll add here Labour WILL do this. Part of the cons strategy is to look more reasonable than Labour.
>>73154963
They are ideologues
They unironically hate nuclear and solar power because their masters told them wind power is the best
They are literally brainwashed crazys
http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2016/05/london-is-a-republic-with-a-president-why-arent-we-more-interested-.html
>Morality Man writes an article that isn't about George Bell or cannabis, blows the fuck out of Londonistan and alternate voting systems
>>73159888
>And a direct deal with the nationalists (Wales and Scotland) for votes in WM to create a majority. That's not just a reaction to the SNP growing.
It was based on a report that predated that, I think initiated by Heath.
>The SNP have always treated devolution as a part of the path to indy (and they're broadly right on that).
I've read the party had some splits on the issue [fundamentalists vs gradualism] and some were against it, but you're broadly right. Actually a predicessor party only wanted dominion status for Scotland, not independence.
>Salmond getting caught up in the ref (you could see it in his face when they lost) was his mistake.
To be fair I think it helped him a bit, you'd be able to make out if he was just bluffing it.
>Your girls will be safe with me kuffar
>My administration will be absolutely halal
UKIP wales have 2 list seats
>>73160169
>It was based on a report that predated that, I think initiated by Heath.
That was mostly the motive though. I'll agree it was also to head off the SNP but two birds with one stone and all that.
>I've read the party had some splits on the issue [fundamentalists vs gradualism] and some were against it, but you're broadly right. Actually a predicessor party only wanted dominion status for Scotland, not independence.
100% right also (I was speaking broadly). The SNP are a lot less united than they show the outside. To their credit they've only had one or two incidents of firing the loonies, NATO membership was the most recent one.
>To be fair I think it helped him a bit, you'd be able to make out if he was just bluffing it.
He's a lot less of a politician than Nicola I think, more like a Scottish version of Farage. His sincerity was both his benefit and his downfall.
Why the fuck does Wales take so long to do its regions?
>>73160231
it is both mind boggling and disgusting how cucked they are. what. the. fuck
brits are cancer and deserve every bit of their future
oh btw. hows the ukip party doing? haha
>>73159475
oh i see you are literally making shit up, makes sense
riddle me this genius
why do you assume that there hasnt been a large influx of white european migration from eastern europe when quite clearly there has?
>>73160313
Fuck off niggerlover
>>73160313
>oh btw. hows the ukip party doing? haha
2 seats so far, maybe 8 total in Wales.
>>73160312
To be honest I miss Salmond, he was a better FM than Nicola.
Here's hoping the Liberals get one more seat. That would open up some Liberal negotiating power with the SNP.
>Labour on full damage control
North Wales list, number elected:
UKIP: 2
PC: 1
CON: 1
>>73160357
>calls me a niggerlover
>lives in britain
ahahahhhahahaha
did you T.H.I.N.K. before you posted that, teanigger?
>>73160376
>To be honest I miss Salmond, he was a better FM than Nicola.
He was living on borrowed time from the moment Nicola 'chose' to be deputy instead of leader sadly. She isn't one to sit quietly. Also his wife, of all people, wasn't a fan of him putting everything into politics (politicians are human, after all).
>>73154745
Still proud
>fuck labour and tory cucks
>>73154963
State sponsored interracial breeding grounds funded by decomissioning their nuclear weapons
Shifting the entirety of British industry to make nothing but windmills
>>73158132
Tactical voting LITERALLY kills democracy
>>73160575
>SNP calling other parties cucks
>>73160313
Don't worry, I'm sure having a Muslim as a mayor/emir will ensure that he is very tough on his fellow Muslims when they start raping and grooming little girls under the London councils care
>>73160563
be kind please. i could have you arrested...
...hahahahahahaha
you people are disgusting
>>73158940
this post is wrong
>>73160661
Indeed,
Give me an example of less cuckoldry among their rival?
>>73154830
I voted UKIP, they got more votes than I thought in this liberal nation. Slow and steady lads.
>>73160706
britains pathetic, weak, cuckolding everyone. over there, the sand niggers are more important than their children. what a disgrace, trash place
>>73158839
Our election process is broken
Scotland uses a better one
>>73160713
http://www.businessinsider.com/tweets-that-got-people-arrested-2013-7?op=1&IR=T
>>73155163
Actually, more than 50% of Scots voted for independence. The balance was swung by foreigners.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1552482/Missing-girls-body-put-into-kebab.html
>A missing persons inquiry began but police later launched a murder investigation after receiving information that Charlene had been "killed and chopped up", the court heard.
>No trace of Charlene's body has ever been found.
>Mr Holroyde told the jury that a witness had heard Albattikhi and others talking about her.
>"These people were talking about sex with white girls, and there was mention of having sex with Charlene," he said.
>"Albattikhi laughed and said she was very small - the plainest possible indication that he was lying to the police when he said he did not know her. He and others present then laughingly said that Charlene had gone into the kebabs."
>Mr Holroyde said: "In addition she was one of a number of adolescent white girls who sometimes went at night to the alleyway behind the restaurants. She and others went there to meet much older men from the restaurants, and it seems perfectly clear that there was at times some sexual activity."
Brits are literally being fucked, slaughtered and eaten like goats and sheep in muslim countries. Submissive farm chattel the whole lot.
Oh good god.
The Greens LITERALLY have a fucking kid as an MSP.
I suspect they put him in only for the achievement (SNP had youngest MP last year so they have to one up them ofc).
>>73160563
We're doing fine m8
>>73160877
>21
>>73160756
Ukip, Con
>>73160820
Says the nation that virtually enforces multiculturalism on the rest of the world
>>73160835
please T.H.I.N.K before you post again nigel. or ill have to be forced to call the authorities
fuckin cucks. what a shithole
>>73160877
Bet he always got picked last in PE
>>73160895
>>73160877
Come to think of it 'literally' may have been a tad strong.
I thought he was younger than that originally.
>>73160891
Percentages, how do they work?
>>73159209
they defo can, its happened before
>>73160985
I included the percentages. That doesn't negate we have four times as many whites. And we're armed and can actually aim.
>>73160955
wipe the tears from your eyes. youll be alright. just periodically check on your daughter or sister because you know at any moment they are close to being raped by mudslimes
>>73161059
>And we're armed and can actually aim.
Golly Gee, i remember that decade of war in the Middle East where Americans literally kept friendly firing
>>73160867
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/nov/01/police-boost-investigations-missing-blackpool-teenagers
>Albattikhi was formally cleared of Charlene's murder while co-defendant Mohammed Reveshi was acquitted of helping to dispose of her body. Both of the accused were later reported to have received six-figure compensation sums for false imprisonment.
>>73154745
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxy7HQ53Rnk
RECKLESS ELECTED
>>73160965
:^)
>>73160877
He's exactly the kind of person the SNP should steer clear of.
Apparently he refused to send Yes campaign materials to a campaigner because of personal disagreements, or something like that.
Because in a yes/no referendum that's the kind of thing you want. :^)
>>73161116
At least they hit something. Niggers don't.
>>73160907
>>73161160
Don't forget how many states make it illegal to store rainwater.
>>73160955
Please don't reply to b8
>>73161192
Yup.
The greens will overplay their hand and demand silly shit, SNP will tell them to fuck off and work with the cons.
SNP and Con will look good, everyone else will look like an idealistic child.
Just woke up from a 4 hour power nap anyone do the all nighter? What have I missed?
AHAHAHA
>These election results show Labour’s made a significant start on the road to 2020
>Labour is rebuilding its support and closing the gap the Tories had at the 2015 general election. That’s the first message from last night’s first wave of by-election and council election results.
>>73161266
SNP mentioning '2007 was our best year' here and there.
Greens saying 'we're the kingmakers'.
Scotcons playing up their 'duty' to the people that voted for them.
UKIP gaining in wales. AMS is a lovely system and it needs to be used in WM.
>>73160331
Muslim detected. Be happy and magnanimous in victory Muhammad, the time for sharia will come later.
Between the last 2001 census:
>the London decline in White British was radical, 58% to 45%
>the White Other only rose from 8% to 12%
>Irish White stayed more or less the same at 3%
Be proud Mo, it's been 5 years since the 2011 census, follow the trenc between. 2001 and 2011 and do the math. If London isn't White minority now it will be come the 2021 census.
>>73161389
Honestly hoping the SNP tell the Greens to go fuck a tree.
>>73161160
>Cops, doctors repeatedly probe man's anus
>4 to 6 major political parties, all with vastly different, conflicting policies with no simple majority to get shit done
No wonder your country is getting overrun by shitskins. Nothing gets done in britbong land. At least with the 2 party system here in freedomland, things can actually get moved through the system.
Inshallah to you, britbongs. Better start reading verses from the Quran, before your head gets chopped off for being "intolerant".
>>73160331
thats almost as bad
and there are alot more nowhites than whites
>donald trump is really growing on me
>>73161494
>no simple majority
Westminster is simple majority, silly American.
Devolved administrations are PR.
>>73161494
>At least with the 2 party system here in freedomland, things can actually get moved through the system.
>government was literally shut down for 2 weeks
You're a terrible shitposter, Juan
>>73161340
how could you read that from tonights results
they didn't do AS BAD in wales, woo hoo
>>73161475
>Honestly hoping the SNP tell the Greens to go fuck a tree.
SNP-Con is fucking perfect. I was hoping for Con-SNP in the GE too frankly. The ideal of politics is somewhere between those two parties.
>>73161494
>No wonder your country is getting overrun by shitskins. Nothing gets done in britbong land. At least with the 2 party system here in freedomland, things can actually get moved through the system.
>2 Party system
Two identical candidates with minor fiddling on the sides is bad for democracy anon. 2.5 party is superior.
>SNP Green coalition inbound
>UKIP utterly shagged
>/pol/ still happy because labour are doing shit
Okay
>>73161589
>SNP Green coalition inbound
[Dubious, discuss]
>>73154745
Are the Llanelli votes finished being counted yet?
>>73157997
>>73161588
SNP-Con? Only the SNP fancy being the new Lib Dems for the next 30 years.
>>73161589
>UKIP utterly shagged
UKIP have done fine anon. Scotland was never going to go for them anyway and Wales and England are lovely gains so far.
>/pol/ still happy because labour are doing shit
Fucking everyone wants to see Labour die from the most silly of leftists to the fucking GAS THE JEWs on the far right.
>>73161589
>>/pol/ still happy because labour are doing shit
And sadly one of the reasons they are doing shit is because some jew comments.
Any links that work down under?
>>73156471
and it's not British to constantly hold it over everyone's head.
They lost. That's the end of it. You don't vote to remain in UK then whenever something doesn't go your way you demand to leave. How can anyone justify a referendum when right now it looks like Scotland is pro-EU 60/40? Should the other 60-70M people in UK be bound to Scotland's will forever?
Even giving them a referendum was a major blunder.
>>73161681
>SNP-Con? Only the SNP fancy being the new Lib Dems for the next 30 years.
SNP-Con with minority Cons and informal agreements on each issue rather than a coalition anon.
