Cruz supporters and NeverTrump+NeverHillary flocking to Libertarian Party.
Libertarian Party increases a spike in new membership rates.
Google searches for "Libertarian Party" spike massively.
The Fire Rises. The time for Liberty is now.
Dump Trump. He is an authoritarian statist.
Drump Bernie. He will not get the nomination, and Hillary is a lying neocon.
DO NOT VOTE HILLARY. DO NOT VOTE TRUMP.
RESOURCES : http://www.lp.org/
Austin Petersen : http://austinpetersen2016.com/
Gary Johnson : https://garyjohnson2016.com/
John McAfee : http://www.bealibertarian.com/
NEWS : Has Trump Dissatisfaction Made the Libertarian Party More Attractive? : http://reason.com/blog/2016/05/04/has-trump-dissatisfaction-made-the-liber
PANIC: Google Searches for ‘Libertarian Party’ Surge Following Trump Win : http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2016/05/04/google-searches-libertarian-party-surge-following-trump-win/
Libertarians hope that #NeverTrump and #NeverHillary give them a boost : http://trailblazersblog.dallasnews.com/2016/05/libertarians-hope-that-nevertrump-and-neverhillary-give-them-a-boost.html/
The GOP Goes Full Authoritarian: Now the Real Libertarian Moment Can Begin : http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robin-koerner/the-gop-goes-full-authori_b_9840686.html
Libertarian Gary Johnson: May I have a word with you, #NeverTrumpers? : http://hotair.com/archives/2016/05/02/libertarian-gary-johnson-may-i-have-a-word-with-you-nevertrumpers/
Libertarians Say 'Brave' Ted Cruz Should Endorse Them, Not Trump : http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2016-05-04/libertarians-say-brave-ted-cruz-should-endorse-them-not-trump
>>73101480
How is Trump an authoritarian?
>>73101627
Build wall, etc etc
>>73101627
He wants to use government force to enforce his ideas. Him and Hillary are two sides of the same coin.
Lets go Austin petersen! Another great interview last night. Facebook page grew 5k, private group grew by a lot also.
>>73102466
Austin Petersen is my man!
He has my full and undivided support.
>>73102299
>country flooded with illegals
>wages down
>crime skyrockets
>Brazil 2 electric boogaloo
>b-but at least we got our liberty right guys?
>>73101627
Border control = authoritarian
>>73101480
>rights are not gifts from the government
No, but it's the job of the government to protect our rights from other people.
Rights don't exist without some way to enforce and protect them
>shilling this hard
Trump is the end game
>>73101480
relevant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnCtzB58SY8
>>73102963
>end game
Yeah, because our country will be in ruins after his term. Should just have him pick killary for VP so it happens faster.
>>73102466
What a beautiful man.
>>73103238
sensiblechuckle.jpg
>>73102679
>country flooded with illegals
This is caused by excess government. Open borders plus a welfare state result in floods of poor people. Significantly reduce welfare and we will have a reduction in illegals. Also make acquiring visas and citizenship more reasonable. More workers means more people buying products. More people buying products means more money for businesses to hire and invest.
>wages down
Wages are down because of excess government. High taxes, Obamacare, excess regulation drive down wages. Money that would otherwise go to investing in new projects and higher pay/benefits instead goes to the Government and lawyers to navigate the ocean of regulation.
>crime skyrockets
Violent crime rates have actually been on a long decline. We can further reduce this by ending the war on drugs, which criminalizes victimless self indulgence, and creates a black market where criminals thrive peddling a high demand low supply product. High non-violent incarceration rates create career criminals out of otherwise good people, increasing likelihood of repeat offense once they are released.
>b-but at least we got our liberty right guys?
Liberty is the most important thing you can have. "Give me Liberty of give me death!"
I finally got around to reading the rights of man this week
why is this pushed aside for the communist manifesto.... srsly why is the whole life liberty and property thing hated by our generation
>>73103465
people don't like responsibility.
>>73103465
Our generation (Assuming you mean Millennials, Gen X) has grown up in a nanny state, spoiled by boomer parenting. Most of us know no better, and feel that only more government is the only solution, because they were never told what true Liberty is. They blame capitalism for the world's problems, when in fact, it is crony capitalism and over-regulation that is causing so many problems.
>>73102466
My problem with him is he's poor in debate, preferring ad hominem to criticizing platform points. While I don't agree with everything Johnson says I think he's the best bet for getting enough votes to break the bipartisan stranglehold and get a 3rd party recognized on a national level. Regardless, good to see other freedom lovers on here amidst all the Trumpters and Shillarists.
>>73103390
>Liberty is the most important thing you can have. "Give me Liberty of give me death!"
So haven't you started a libertarian insurrection against the "tyrannical" government?
>inb4 "just you wait and see"
SOON
>>73103465
>Its always someone else's fault
>>73103711
>So haven't you started a libertarian insurrection against the "tyrannical" government?
He's scoping out government birdwatching buildings as we speak.
>>73103711
Why do that when we still have a legislative option? This country is not yet so far gone that guns are the only hope.
>>73103706
I think if he was put up against trump and hillary he could stand his ground. Gary gives up a little too easy and when flustered he gets red in the face. Comparing APs early speaking to now it's massive how much he's improving and I think he'll do an amazing job if given the chance.
But I've seen people say similar things, and you do have a point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0y1WgtJtC8
its already over my friends
>>73104146
Fake quote
These are way to obviously. It reads like middle school level modern english, not the writing of a highly education man in the late 18th century.
>>73101480
Anon much prefers a unified /pol/. Vote for TRUMP unless you're in a solid blue state.
It's either TRUMP or Kikes+SJWs.
>>73103677
>has grown up in a nanny state
ya thats what I don't get you would think "independent thinkers and rebels" would grasp the concept that big gooberment and big brother are really really bad
Reminder that Gary Johnson is a fake libertarian.
>>73104383
Hillary wont switch any state blue that's solid red so should mention that too.. So basically unless you live in the couple counties in the few states that matter your vote has more power as libertarian.
>>73101480
Classical Liberal/Libertarian/Old Whig whatever here.
I am voting for Trump. Yes, I know he is pro-NSA. Yes, I know he is protectionist.
But Libertarians need to get their priorities in order. Everything that America was once respected and known for is gone. Hell, I would argue being "conservative" means conserving our old traditions of liberty, freedom, etc.
Plus, I am in Ohio. I am voting for Trump and would advise the rest of you Libertarians to do the same. Right now, my priority isn't some unachievable ideal; it is preserving and protecting us against the horrors of socialism and leftism. Because of this, I'm getting in to Make America Great Again.
>>73104383
This desu senpai
>>73104678
more like your country needs to stop being retarded with its two party system
srsly what the fuck
>>73104960
I would agree. That is something I admired when watchign the prime minister debates for the UK. Greens/Lib Dems/Conservative/Labor/UKIP etc were all up there going at it.
It was a good time. I wish they would at least bring the Libertarian candidate on stage against the dems and republicans but its all about the $$ I guess
>>73104678
Strategic votes are wasted votes.
>>73104678
In addition, this country won't be much different after either 8 years of Trump or 8 years of Hillary. We will be pretty much the same after either. The main difference with Trump is that we will have an embarrassing 1/16th finished wall to tear down.
>>73101480
>don't unionize for higher wages!
>outsourcing is good because it lowers prices at wal-mart!
>stop making businesses protect the environment! it costs them precious shekels!
>tariffs are always bad goy, remember Smoot-Hawley? getting ripped off a is a good thing!
>we have to let fags be themselves goy, you don't want big guvmint involved in your sex life do ya?
>open borders are good goy, it means GDP growth during population declines!
>don't feed the sick and the poor, the free market has spoken and it says they should starve!
Are libertarians autistic, soulless, brain dead?
![1438598388793[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/AOewQuS.png "1438598388793[1].png")
>>73105742
Don't fall for it
>>73102774
Forcing Americans to allow welfare leeches in=authoritarian
>>73106213
In libertarian society there wouldn't be welfare though. So they could get in and do what they want, just like you.
>>73105982
It's not bait its the fucking truth you faggot
>>73105982
>libertarians are this fucking stupid
>>73101480
Too bad Gary Johnson is fucking awful
Too bad for the Libertarian Party, this might have been their chance to make some gains
>>73105742
Can't say you don't deserve a reply.
>>73105742
Epic bait, but I'll bite anyway, since I will just pull you off of your boat and drown you.
>don't unionize for higher wages!
Unions almost always end up stagnating wages, making businesses non-competitive, and are always corrupt. They rarely help the worker, and mainly serve as income for the Union workers.
>outsourcing is good because it lowers prices at wal-mart!
We wouldn't need outsourcing nearly as much if taxes were lower and we didn't have excess regulations choking American businesses.
>tariffs are always bad goy, remember Smoot-Hawley? getting ripped off a is a good thing!
Tariffs usually just end up increasing the cost of product to Americans, not protecting American business, especially when taxes and regulations still make American manufacturing financial suicide.
>we have to let fags be themselves goy, you don't want big guvmint involved in your sex life do ya?
I pretty much agree with this entirely. If someone is going to be a fag, they are going to be a fag, whether it is illegal or not. You will simply drive them underground. Authoritarianism. Government regulated morality is anything but.
>open borders are good goy, it means GDP growth during population declines!
We need to fix our immigration system and massively reduce welfare programs. Welfare + open borders never works. Libertarians know this.
>don't feed the sick and the poor, the free market has spoken and it says they should starve!
With massively reduced taxes, people will have more income left over to donate to charity. In addition, people are less likely to run charities when they are literally competing against the government. Less welfare = more charity. Less government = less jobs loss = less homeless. Ending the war on drugs will be a huge step to reducing poverty in this country, further reducing the need for welfare and charity.
Think things through before you post, please.
>>73104678
>protecting us against the horrors of socialism and leftism
He literally just backtracked on government healthcare and minimum wage. Good luck with that.
>>73107949
>implying American populism and nationalism is the same as socialism.
Come on m8.
>>73105304
Not when you live in a swing state. Presidents need Ohio.
>>73105416
I think 8 years of Trump would be VERY different from Hillary. Once again you guys are too idealistic. That's fine and good, but you're never going to go from 1% of the popular vote to 33% without having more mainstream views first and then working towards the ideal.
>>73101480
Ron Paul for Secretary of the state 2016
>>73107622
So basically you just repeated everything I said + saying if we cut entitlements then people won't emigrate because they'll see how shitty we treat our own people. Great job schlomo, sounds like a real paradise.
Feels good knowing the party is growing support. Who are you guys pulling for? Johnson or McAfree?
>>73108236
>implying American populism and nationalism is the same as socialism.
>Come on m8.
Literally wanting the government to get involved is leftism.
>>73102299
How do you think a government works?
>>73108424
leave autism
>>73101480
b8
>>73108556
Question is, what role should government have.
protip: not enforcing your ideas on someone, but offering defense of nation, courts, etc
I would love if we had a real libertarian party in this nation.
Unfortunately, no Libertarian party is running the God Emperor.
Build up your party a bit first m8, this isn't your year.
Also, nice divide and conquer thread, faggot shill. Kill yourself and as always, BUILD WALL
>>73108903
>i'd love a real libertarian party
>supports someone almost exact opposite of that party
This is the defining year for the party and offers the three major branches the party can take. Liberal leaning: Gary Johnson, Centrist+Public works: John McAfee, Right leaning: Austin Petersen.
Currently The leader is Gary with Austin closing the gap every day and could pull a massive upset. Austin and McAfee are starting to really show they support each other. So this is a huge shot to push the party to the right and appeal to people who don't support trump.
>>73109378
>a literal who beating another literal who
>massive upset
Reminder that Johnson won 3.5% of his own state in 2012. Stay mad libercucks.
>>73108424
It would be.
>>73106296
Do you think a open border, or abolishment of the welfare state, will be the first thing the people flocking to the Libertarian party will support?
>>73110118
Keep telling yourself that, bootlicker.
>>73107622
>Unions almost always end up stagnating wages
AHAHAHAH
just ignore how wages have gone down since the 80s when Reagan destroyed the unions
>We wouldn't need outsourcing nearly as much if taxes were lower
outsourcing is caused by companies seeking lower wages, dumbass
>tariffs usually just end up increasing the cost of product to Americans,
which means higher wages for Americas
>If someone is going to be a fag, they are going to be a fag,
kek
>We need to fix our immigration system
you aren't a very good libertarian
>With massively reduced taxes, people will have more income left over to donate to charity.
That's not how the economy works
the government doesn't need taxes to afford anything. Deficits don't matter.
Libertarians are so oblivious to the real world.
>>73109378
Okay, well this is also a crucial year for actually making our country great again. I'm supporting Trump this election. I switched to Republican just to vote for him in the Primaries, but feel no love for the party. After this election I'll probably switch back to Independent (my state doesn't officially have any other party affiliations than those three, in terms of how they view them)
>>73110584
>Deficits don't matter.
took me this long. 8/8 good bait
>>73110584
kek
>b-b-but milton friedman said otherwise and everyone knows austrian economics are 100% right and keynesian economics are 100% wrong
>wait so you don't want to be a slave to the economic jew? you're not some kind of marxist, are you?
>>73110905
they literally don't matter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toW2oEhNZmk
You've been conned by idiots.
>>73110584
>just ignore how wages have gone down since the 80s when Reagan destroyed the unions
m8 there is a thing called automation and technology. Correlation doesn't equal causation, zero conditional mean, etc.
>outsourcing is caused by companies seeking lower wages, dumbass
Yes, but they might be more inclined to stay and reinvest money if corporate taxes were lowered.
>which means higher wages for Americas
Not necessarily but more or less correct.
>kek
kek
>the government doesn't need taxes to afford anything. Deficits don't matter.
This is somewhat true at least for the American economy/government.
>>73111375
But Milton Friedman is Chicago school, not Austrian.
>>73101480
>flocking
>to the libertarian party
kek, sure
Thats why rands most likely going to lose re-election and the libertarian party has record low turnout
>>73111524
>thing called automation and technology
>technology didn't exist before the 80s
you heard it here first folks!
In reality the only thing that affects wages is supply and demand (like everything else) and since there's no demand for labor anymore because all the jobs are in China it's not hard to figure out what happened.
>money if corporate taxes were lowered.
That has literally never worked. It already failed when Bush tried it. Companies will always go where wages are lowest to save money on labor costs.
>This is somewhat true at least for the American economy/government.
It's true for every government that issues it's own currency (basically every government outside the EU)
I bet the MAGA hat I got today that this sudden spike in Libertarian Party shilling on /pol/ is from shillary false-flaggers trying to fool people into not voting Republican so the Democrats get an easy win.
>>73112041
>rand
>lose re-election
What universe do you live in? He's 100% uncontested at this point.
>>73111556
they're both shit school of economics
If you aren't Keynesian you're nothing.
>>73101480
I hope y'all gain support but Trump still wins, and DNC/GOPe becomes extinct.
>>73112194
well his support base is dead, so theres that
couldn't even get 50 people to come out and see him
>>73112515
Rand lost all credibility when he came out against the Iran deal.
Also I lost my Rand folder
does anyone have the pic of him standing on the pallets?
>>73101480
As a former libertarian I have to tell you that the libertarian party will never win. Your average 90 IQ person is way too stupid to understand the subtle nuances of "just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to do it or condone it."
That being said libertarian ideas have a lot of short comings in a globalized world. In short, there's no way for anyone to truly get ahead, or even get by when you have hordes of slave labor. Libertarian ideals are great in theory, but in practice they just don't work. NatSoc is the best way to go with the way things currently are.
>>73112697
>against the deal
He said he is for the deal but it shouldn't have been snuck around congress and it should have had releasing hostages connected.
>>73112957
>He said he is for the deal
No
His campaign died when he came out against it
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/07/turned-libertarians-burning/
>>73112957
He was for "A" deal. Not what occured.
>>73104596
>it's not libertarian unless it's my specific brand of libertarianism!
Explain
>>73113156
Fucking mongoloids thats why I'm not libertarian. Some of them are so willing to be cucks they'll do any deal.
>>73101480
Everyone on this thread should read this:
https://christophercantwell.com/2016/01/24/radical-agenda-ep094-the-libertarian-case-for-trump/
Libertarians should vote for Trump because he will stop the left from gaining power. If we stop the influx of future democrats, we can focus on abolishing the state.
Can someone give me some examples of succesful libertarian countries?
>>73113188
>>73113306
He straight up lied about Iran's intentions and his base found out
>While the Obama administration claims “this would prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon,” said Paul, Ayatollah Khamenei “is saying the opposite.” In fact, Khameni is “already saying, well, this isn’t really any limitation on our ability to make a weapon.”
>Paul repeated the claim after the hearing during an appearance on Fox Business:
>I made a point that the ayatollah is now saying that the deal does not prevent them from having a nuclear weapon and I thought that’s precisely what the deal is supposed to do, so I don’t know how we can have an agreement that President Obama says means one thing, John Kerry says means one thing, but the ayatollah says doesn’t mean that at all.
>What neither Fox nor Politico reported is that Khamenei has said no such thing. “The Americans say they stopped Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon,” is what the ayatollah has in fact stated. “They know it’s not true.” Read uncharitably, one could perhaps interpret this statement as sinister, but for one thing – it is immediately followed by this: “We had a fatwa, declaring nuclear weapons to be religiously forbidden under Islamic law. It had nothing to do with the nuclear talks.” An unambiguous assertion that Iran never wanted a nuke has been twisted into a statement that no one can stop the Islamic Republic from getting one.
>This isn’t a case of a bad translation: It’s a conscious lie of omission from a politician who wants to have it both ways: to be perceived as a friend of peace even as he tosses red meat to the dogs of war, an act that alienates those who would otherwise be his energized base and yet still hasn’t won him any friends at The Weekly Standard. The libertarians I spoke to were all a bit demoralized by it: economy-crashing sanctions are a form of war and Rand is making a full-on one more likely.
>>73104678
>some unachievable ideal
What, breaking the 2 party system's back over our collective knees? Yes, it's quite achievable in fact.
>>73113787
Early America is one example, but there haven't been many examples of libertarian countries because its not in the state's interest to make itself have less power.
>>73113810
So Paul said Iran will get a nuke anyways? Thats true though.
>>73104960
Right, we should have no government. But if we can't get that, we should have a monarchy.
>>73114121
Early America had a federal government
Washington even led an army against people that refused to pay taxes
I'm sure most Libertardians would call that "oppression"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whiskey_Rebellion
>>73114427
>Thats true though.
according to who random Israelis and neocons?
Iran doesn't have the capability to get nukes, and even if it did they are being monitored 24/7 under the deal
>>73114443
>we should have no government.
yes we can all go back to feudalism
what a great way to live
>>73114507
So a couple of unlibertarian things happened. Cool story bro. Didn't disprove anything.
>>73114886
>Implying that restoring the natural aristocracy is a bad thing.
>>73113787
Taiwan is pretty libertarian.
>>73101480
Rights are gained by the grip of a gun.
Are the libertarian candidates open borders, because if they are fuck 'em. I want that god damned wall, and if I have to vote for Trump so be it.
>>73114979
So if that doesn't matter then why do you whine so much about the government?
>>73115181
go back to being a serf then
>>73115550
>libertarian candidates open borders
yes
>>73114617
>being monitored
Yes like North Korea was.
Anyways, its not very libertarian to send them $150 billion dollars, fuck off. You guys find anyway to be unhappy with someone just so you can huff your own farts about it.
>>73115681
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
WHY NO GOOD 3RD PARTY
>>73115181
Nothing natural about aristocracy. Just a metastable form of governance compatible with an evolving human psyche. As was local democracy, as is globalism and media control.
One meme among many possible ones.
>>73115681
Thats why I'm a nationalist-libertarian; AKA Constitutional Realist. Full blown open libertarianism only works if the rest of the world plays nice and is essentially also libertarian with you.
So rights are a contract between all people living in a society, right?
I know the whole "god given" thing is on the books but god hasn't done much to help us maintain our rights.
>>73115607
>So if that doesn't matter then why do you whine so much about the government?
My point was that early America was pretty libertarian. I was not defending the actions of Washington.
>>73101480
Libertarians are pussies
t. Ann Coulter
>>73115724
>Yes like North Korea was.
It wasn't
North Korea kicked out the UN and tore up the treaty after Bush invaded Iraq and started blathering about North Korea being part of the "axis of evil". They needed nukes to ensure they wouldn't get invaded.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_North_Korean_nuclear_program
>>73116366
Dubs affirm Ann's statement
>>73115956
Libertarians generally hate the concept of social contract.
They believe there are rights dictated by the very nature of the universe and logic ... logic which they think can be applied to natural language with complete unambiguity. Or in other words, they are religious.
>>73103390
>Open borders
Yet closing the borders is 'Authoritarian'
>Wages are down because of excess government.
Yet somehow every major industry is still setting record high profits year after year.
>>73101480
>trump is authoritarian statist
>link to huggington post
>brave ted cruz
why repeat msm bullshit? why do you fall in the same trap as mainstream republicans did?
>>73116128
>America was pretty libertarian
because it was agrarian
good luck undoing the industrial revolution
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>>73114927
>>73114927
>>73114927
>>73114927
>>73117088
and by turning your country into a globalist neoliberal shithole
>>73103112
>that a&w tidbit
I want to say that can't be true, but I know better.
>>73101480
Vote based McAfee
How is Cruz related to libertarians he's a bathroom authoritarian Jesus jockey
>>73113295
he would force you to bake a cake for someone you don't wish to serve. Gay, Nazi etc. He talked about having certain religious items banned like burkas. He said he is all for discussing mental health regulations on guns, where as it's starting to happen: you go to a doctor or some other professional and complain about anger they can report you and have your guns taken away without trial.
He jumps back and forth and gets flustered in debates. Trump would destroy him.
>>73102774
forcing american people to cover expenses of more security forces due to higher crime rates caused by illegal aliens, now that's authoritarian
>>73120139
Documenting them and being able to deport and get them out of the system would be much easier, compared to the shitshow we have now.
>>73112144
If only shilltards were that sly.
