Help me out, /pol/.
I've seen a few of this guys videos (all the way through, and they're usually pretty long), and I've tended to agree with a lot of the things he says. He's a seemingly-reasonable right-leaning guy who manages to not be an insufferable prick, level-headed, courteous to callers, generally willing to at least entertain opposing arguments.
Then I watched his video on Bernie Sanders, who I happen to support (I'm not a Trumpcuck). It's not the fact that he doesn't agree with Sanders that bothers me, it's the fact that the video is a continuous demonstration of his complete inability to understand basic principles of taxation, socialism, economic theory... it's like he has never even attempted to look into arguments against his sophomoric and poorly-researched positions. A sophomore philosophy or economics student could blow him the fuck out on like half the shit he says.
What do you think? I don't see myself watching anything else from him just because he demonstrated himself in this video to be so fucking dumb. I imagine it will play well for some /pol/tards who will agree with anyone who isn't a leftist, but there have to be some intelligent people here, even those who don't agree with socialism, that understand his complete misunderstanding of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0Yp1jUtcX8
>>73069779
>wah, wah, someone disagrees with me
>wah, help me /pol/, I need an argument against this guy, wah
>>73070006
>i don't want to even try to respond so i'll post a reaction gif
lmao, trumpcucks are hilarious
>>73070216
>implying I care enough about burger "politicians" to actually support any of them
>implying I'm going to take your Bernie drivel, "mus socialism isn't communism" theorems seriously
Please, at least be original when I'm taking the piss out of you.
>>73069779
You left a big ass emotionally buttblasted comment on his video and got told "not an argument" didn't you faggot? Socialism doesn't work. Communism is dead. Just like Bernie's campaign. Go to Reddit if you're so assblasted about based /pol/yneux tearing your shitty aging comrade apart.
>>73069779
not an argument
>>73070854
He compared the moral issue of whether we should allow people to die on the streets with whether we should rip out the eyeballs of people who can see and give them to blind people. How is that not retarded?
He harped on the super-rich paying their "fair share" like he's never heard of the term "value judgment. How is that not retarded?
>>73069779
Start arguing at any time.
>>73069779
Do you support...me getting shot? You say we should give free healthcare to the poor, well am I allowed to disagree? Or will you shoot me? Do you support me getting shot because I don't agree with you? Do you support me...getting shot? DO YOU SUPPORT ME GETTING SHOT? DO YOU SUPPORT ME GETTING SHOT? GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY LIFE
>>73069779
SURE IS A WHOLE LOT OF NON-ARGUMENTATILIZING GOING ON HERE
>>73071139
Literally the definition of "not an argument"
try harder cuck
>>73071031
>>73071293
>>73071554
What? My argument is that he doesn't understand the basic principle of taxation, which is fundamentally the redistribution of wealth. He doesn't understand socialism or basic economic theory. Are you retarded? It's right there in the original post.
>>73071800
Those are claims, not arguments, you dipshit.
>>73071139
So you did post a fucking comment and get a "not an argument" reply.
FUCKING LOL
>>73069779
Repeat after me
NOT
>>73071800
You are asserting that, not backing it up with arguments.
>>73071895
>"that's not an argument" is an argument
kek
He doesn't understand taxation because he doesn't understand it is fundamentally designed to redistribute wealth.
He doesn't understand that no one thinks taxation is a request. He's literally arguing against a claim no serious person is making.
He doesn't understand socialism because he desperately clings to outdated and literally demonstrably false ideas of "muh free market will solve everything".
He thinks addressing the plight of the poor through social programs is the same as tearing out people's eyes to give them to blind people because that's totally the same thing.
He has obviously never heard the term "value judgment" and doesn't understand they are the basis of political argument.
I know most of you guys are just memeing, but are you actually, like literally, retarded?
>>73072303
Regan bless you for still trying to have a discussion on /pol/ in the face of memery.
>>73069779
Socialism is shit, pleb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7XJIioZEgQ
Here's some fun Moly content. Guy is great.
>>73072303
If only could support these claims with arguments.
>>73069779
>trump
>cuck
pick one, retard
>>73072303
Most of the intelligent users of /pol/ are either at college or at work. You're talking to NEETS whose memes knows now limits. Prime /pol/ is roughly 6 ET to 10 ET during the weekdays.
>>73072616
>every series of statements i don't intuitively agree with isn't an argument so i'll just endlessly shitpost instead of attempting to have a discussion
Since they're so empty and dumb they should be pretty easy to tear apart right?
>>73072885
ARGUMENT
>>73069779
here's a reply.
>>73072303
>>73072758
Honestly you are entirely full of ad hominems, assertions, claims, and NONE ARGUMENTS.
You're merely shouting "I'M A FUCKING RETARD. PLEASE PLEAS TELL ME BERNIE IS RIGHT ABOUT EVERYTHING AND I'M NOT REALLY A COMPLETE TOOL" to everyone in the thread.
You probably didn't pay attention to your intro to econ class in high school if you actually believe Socialism works.
Also again. Not an argument.
>>73073025
This is incredibly stupid. Those were arguments. You just say they weren't because you don't agree with them and don't want to or can't refute them. Just like Stefan likes to do.
>>73069779
Libertarianism and Socialism are both intellectually and morally bankrupt ideologies that are destroyed by the inherent contradictions in their most basic underpinnings.
The only solution is Fascism.
>>73073222
Jesus Christ, the level of irony in this post could be seen from the International Space Station.
>not even one person has even ATTEMPTED to even REMOTELY address any of the issues raised in my OP or any subsequent post
lmfao, jesus christ I knew trumpcucks were dumb but I thought you guys liked arguing. Surely one of you should have been able to tear at least one of my claims apart by now?
>>73073222
How is his longer post not an argument. It's not ad himinem, Stefan has literally said a lot of these things. If anyone isn't providing arguments, it's you people. You're just dismissing everything he says without any arguments.
>>73073485
>>73073500
Holy Jesus. TWO none arguments!
We got em now boys...
>>73069779
The basic concept is that government is inefficient and the free market can deliver the same goods or services in a more efficient manner which is inherently more democratic because it based on voluntary exchange between individuals who are not coerced into cooperation.
>>73072758
>Since they're so empty and dumb they should be pretty easy to tear apart right?
They're so empty and dumb that there is no reason to tear them apart.
>>73073345
ok, let me present my non-arguments
>He doesn't understand taxation because he doesn't understand it is fundamentally designed to redistribute wealth.
I would argue that Stef understands the fundamental idea but he believes that the state does not follow the fundamental idea
>He doesn't understand that no one thinks taxation is a request. He's literally arguing against a claim no serious person is making.
He understands that people are ok with the chains, something that you just do.
>He doesn't understand socialism because he desperately clings to outdated and literally demonstrably false ideas of "muh free market will solve everything".
Demonstrably false? Source for this claim, please.
>He thinks addressing the plight of the poor through social programs is the same as tearing out people's eyes to give them to blind people because that's totally the same thing.
But that is a pretty good analogy, taxing the poor makes no sense. Why should someone who barely scrapes by be forced to pay for someone who doesn't even have a job? If taxes are to redistribute wealth, taxing poor is the most retarded way to do it.
>He has obviously never heard the term "value judgment" and doesn't understand they are the basis of political argument.
Please, expand on that.
>>73072303
You made exactly one argument there; the first one. It also happens to be wrong. Taxation was created to fund a government or collect an equal share from to to provide protection to all. Stefan is an idealist and hopes for no government and no taxes. He is right about socialism and bernie sanders. Bigger government means more corruption. The jews won't take cash out of your pockets directly, but they will take it out of the government's pockets. By minimizing taxes and government programs, you minimize incentive for corruption.
>>73069779
>right-leaning guy
he's an anarcho capitalist
>the video is a continuous demonstration of his complete inability to understand basic principles of taxation, socialism, economic theory
No, he knows much more than you, silly bernout. He has videos on these subjects as well, give them a watch
>>73070854
>a young nubile australian shitposter lying naked in bed sheds a single tear of delicious freedom on his neckbeard of justice
>>73069779
>I disagree with him
Not an argument
>>73071293
Made me jej double-quick
>>73072303
>He doesn't understand taxation because he doesn't understand it is fundamentally designed to redistribute wealth
He actually addressed wealth distribution and how its either inefficient to plain harmful.
>He doesn't understand that no one thinks taxation is a request
Not true he says several times that taxation is byproduct of coercion, which is true.
>He thinks addressing the plight of the poor through social programs is the same as tearing out people's eyes to give them to blind people because that's totally the same thing
While those aren't exactly the same thing, using state coercion in order to get peoples properties to give it to the poor is still inexcusable.
>>73069779
>inability to understand basic principles of taxation, socialism
>socialism
Here's how you know whether someone understands socialism:
>they think it's a great idea
They don't understand it.
>they think it's a terrible idea
They understand it.
>>73071139
>rip out the eyeballs
he actually comes out of a more simpler intellectual environment.
>>73069779
>A sophomore philosophy or economics student could blow him the fuck out on like half the shit he says.
Then fucking do it, faggot.
Wasting all this finger strength to tell us he's wrong, and ANYONE can prove him wrong, without actually doing it.
>>73071679
>>73072616
I'm not super-familiar with this guy. What's this whole 'Not an argument' meme, and why's it connected to him?
>>73072303
He knows that taxation is fundamentally designed to redistribute wealth. To wear varies, but that's one of two key components. The next is that you are under threat of death due to the escalation of conflict by the state, if you wish to not pay taxes. All crimes are equal in the regard that the issue does not matter, you must comply and be entrapped by our court/prison system or face death.
He compared it to the gouging of eyeballs as a hyperbolic metaphor - we will cripple you (financially) andd give what was taken to those who will utilize it poorly, if at all. You will suffer and have nothing to show for it.
He understands taxation, and that's why he doesn't want it.
>>73074929
Opinions are not arguments.
>>73074457
Of course taxation involves coercion you retard. Have you never read or heard of Rousseau? Do you really think a pure iteration of libertarianism would lead to a productive society?
>>73075154
Well, yeah, but why is everyone posting that and his image? I'm assuming he just says that often?
>>73075209
>The state should put a gun to your head and force you to pay for the poor
I disagree. Do you want me to be shot?
>>73074929
People mainly from the left spectrum aren't used to back their claims with actual arguments, it happens because they are just used to speak inside echo chambers so they end up thinking their assertions are self evident while they aren't neither self evident nor actual arguments, i.e. brainwashed retards.
>>73072476
Who is Regan?
>>73072303
>He doesn't understand taxation because he doesn't understand it is fundamentally designed to redistribute wealth.
Yes and? That doesn't make it right, it just means you've come up with a pleasing name for an unpleasant concept.
>He doesn't understand socialism because he desperately clings to outdated and literally demonstrably false ideas of "muh free market will solve everything".
You're right. http://www.streetfire.net/video/top-gear-communism-made-decent-cars-part-1_204476.htm
This is how you make things better, by regulating them into horrid inefficiency. Not by putting the prospect of a better life in front of people willing to work for it.
>He thinks addressing the plight of the poor through social programs is the same as tearing out people's eyes to give them to blind people because that's totally the same thing.
No, it's not that. But it is equivalent to saying "your ladder has too many rungs on it" and giving two people half ladders so nobody can clean the gutters.
You can't forcibly cater the to trend of regression to the mean and progress forward. The two ideas are in inherent tension.
>>73069779
>it's the fact that the video is a continuous demonstration of his complete inability to understand basic principles of taxation, socialism, economic theory... it's like he has never even attempted to look into arguments against his sophomoric and poorly-researched positions. A sophomore philosophy or economics student could blow him the fuck out on like half the shit he says.
Literally not an argument.
>>73075235
He does, a lot. Often they'll be dumbfounded and respond out of ignorance to their own use of fallacies.
>>73070854
>Socialism doesn't work
neither does ancap
I am concerned with how little shitposting is happeing in this thread. Somebody has mentioned Molyneux and there are no canadians replying to everything with 'not an argument'.
>>73074929
Some /pol/cucks are so absolutely terrified of responding to certain claims -- on a fucking anonymous Taiwanese anime discussion board, no less -- that they will demand nothing short of a doctoral thesis for every claim they intuitively disagree with, even though they have no intention of responding to it in the first place, and use "that's not an argument" as the world's most transparently desperate attempt to avoid actual engagement, while simultaneously trying to project that their unspoken and unsupported opinion is somehow correct. It's pretty sad, but that's /pol/ for you.
>>73075235
Faggots like OP leave huge assblasted novel length essays on the comments of Stefan's videos. If you're retarded you will get a reply from Stefan simply saying "not an argument". His Bernie video and videos on socialism are great examples of this.
>>73075679
Even if it didn't, at least it would be a morally consistent system unlike socialism.
>>73075209
>Do you really think a pure iteration of libertarianism would lead to a productive society?
Why not? its Darwinist by nature its granted to work and useless people are set to almost disappear after some time.
God fucking damnit, I haven't read a Moly thread this fun in a long time.
>>73075444
>people get murdered in america for tax evasion
You're not being serious, are you?
>>73075209
Why wouldn't it be more productive? History has shown us that free markets simply give better results.
You used many words and provided no examples.
Why would you wrote so much when it is all so devoid of content.
>>73075745
Writing long posts to give the illusion of your own intelligence is a waste of your time.
>>73075866
You seem to struggle with the comprehension of basic metaphor. He was eluding to the fact that he does not want a force which he cannot possibly combat to forcibly sieze his money for the sole purpose of givng it to people they deem more worthy.
>>73075908
I mean even super libertarians don't advocate privatising police/military unless they're insane. Some things need to be state controlled.
Unless you're ancap in which case you should kys
>>73075745
>the world's most transparently desperate attempt to avoid actual engagement, while simultaneously trying to project that their unspoken and unsupported opinion is somehow correct. It's pretty sad, but that's /pol/ for you.
Nah, its just your lack of ability to actually produce an argument instead of spouting assertions you learned at school
>>73075866
People get arrested. They get shot if they don't want to get arrested. You said Taxation is corrosion yourself. The Government uses Force to get what it wants.
I don't like being taxed. So I'm guessing you want me to fear for my life/freedom and pay up huh?
>>73071800
Taxation is not the fundamental redistribution of wealth.
For the vast majority of our history or taxes were use taxes. Highways were paid for with the gas tax. Dont drive, don't buy gas, don't pay tax.
Wealth redistribution is not virtuous or effective. The onus is on you to prove otherwise.
>>73075745
Ad hominems, emotionally reactive statements, and pretentious pseudo intellectual style attempt at creating a NON argument. Stop crying and start arguing.
>>73075969
>a paragraph is a long post
You need to go back.
>>73076167
>alluding
People who pay taxes benefit from the yields of taxation. The reason they pay taxes is for said benefits. The politicians elected by a democracy are a reflection of the will of the people, and thus their decisions are mandated and validated by the will of the people. This is really, really simple stuff.
>>73076247
Ancap obviously isn't practical at the moment but if society moves toward libertarian then it could be a more feasible outcome.
>>73075679
Stefan would agree that the implementation of it into society in our current times would be disastrous. He says atheism does not have a moral codex nor community-building ethics as religions do, so he actually advocates for people who are Christian/Mormon to maintain their faith (or at least fake it) so that they can raise a healthy family in a safer environment for stability, the thing he says we need more than anything else before the abandonment of the state. He's basically saying we need to ease ourselves there rather than what communism wants - to go up a gradual slope to a peak power for the state, then have a seemingly instantaneous destruction of the state.
We only have one chance to get anarchy right, so it is best to achieve our means via gradual and heavily contemplated action.
>>73076569
By the will of the majority and the threat of force by the government you mean
>>73076569
>democracy are a reflection of the will of the people
>actually believing this
No one is being paid to shill for Molyneux. It's a Republican- funded lie and a pathetic attempt at smearing his Youtube channel.
>>73069779
>I'm not a Trumpcuck
not an argument
>>73076737
In what way do you think enforcement of democracy is supposed to be conducted other than by force of government?
>>73076569
"It's popular therefore right" is exactly the fallacy you are using to counter arguments that taxation is the initiation of force to redistribute wealth.
If everybody said murder was good but a few people, does that mean it is not violent? No, actions can be popular, but if they are violent, they are the initiation of force all the same. Popular belief does not strike that from its nature.
>>73069779
Pic related is OP, he's a homosexual loser from Cleveland who hunts for men on OkCupid, his name is Ben.
He also considers Ché Guevara to be a hero and has outed himself as a communist on OkCupid.
He also defends trannies, the LGBT and is a radical feminist.
His first boyfriend was a delusional tranny addicted to heroin who threatened to hurt him if he tried to leave her, she's mentally ill.
He didn't graduate, has no friends, no job and lives in a home his liberal parents pay for him and spends his days trying to bait /pol/ into political debates to prove his "superior" knowledge of politics.
He has a fetish for men in diapers shitting himself, necrophilia, furries and transgendered people.
>His Facebook:
FACEBOOK/pope.adolf123?fref=ts
>>73077240
Not an argument, but I'll be damned if it doesn't affect my evaluation of OP's character.
>>73076885
No one is being paid to argue for Molyneux. It's a State-enforced lie and a pathetic attempt at discrediting his philosophical insights.
Can someone post the long Molyneux copy pasta thathe ends with "p.s. I don't want to fuck you"
>>73077175
It can't. I completely agree with you. It's why he and I do not like democracy, at least not compared to our ideal societal system.
>>73077240
you forgot to say that i let my wife go out every saturday night and do whatever she wants sexually while i watch her son. i don't ask her what it was in the morning, it's just our little agreement.
>>73077175
Indeed! What, besides Government All Mighty is an Athiest to believe in? How will people live without the government telling them how to live?
Well here's some enforcement of democracy for you: Burnie Sanders would be the Democratic nominee if it weren't for poor black people who voted for Hillary at astounding rates. They are why your candidate lost! Enjoy playing for dem programs!
>>73071031
Where does this meme originate?
>>73072303
You can't argue against a non argument. All you can say is that it's not an argument, which is true.
Can you beat someone at chess if they don't even know the rules and just spend the whole time throwing the chess pieces at your head?
>>73077667
The only reason I'm not exposing your tumblr, okcupid or other Facebook is because if you stop posting on /pol/ from now on I won't release it you commie faggot.
>mfw I laughed and laughed at the honest conversation with a Sanders supporter
>mfw he did not produce an argument at all
>mfw he kept trying to move the goalposts
>mfw he got blown the fuck out by the polite, well meaning Stefan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQJtX6WsZ10
>>73077240
>>73078324
How do you know it's OP? Why should we trust your judgement over OP's anonymity?
>stop posting on /pol/ from now on I won't release it
That's SJW tier, you anti-free speech authoritarian.
>>73079051
I know him because I used to add people from /lgbt/ to make fun of them.
>anti-free speech authoritarian.
Only amerifags cry about this shit, heil hitler faggot.
>>73076569
>the government know how to spend my money better than I do.
Wew lad, just because you're an incompetent invalid doesn't mean the rest of us are.
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>>73071800
But that's not an argument.
Looks like OP's arguments failed and he's outta here... and we move on. Next caller!
>ONE DOLLAR??? DO YOU WANT ME TO GET SHOT????
As far as arguing on the internet goes,
A lot of us spent our teens learning what a pointless endeavor it was.
Its much more entertaining to shit on people of great heights.
>>73076676
While promoting violence-free child education, and slow redpilling of the masses until government collapses unto itself.
>>73079324
Yeah, but how do you know that OP is really the guy you're thinking of?
I know lots of /pol/lacks IRL, you could be one of them, yet I can never be too sure.
>>73073384
Communism, Fascism and now Liberalism are either dying or dead, we need a 4th political ideology for the 21st century.
>>73080453
Arguing in general is a waste of time, especially here. People on this board have already made up their minds. If you counter what they say, they will dismiss you. Kind of like what's happened here. OP made an observation and shared his opinion. Instead of correcting him and making an actual attempt to educate him, people shit on him for 'not having an argument'.
>>73074929
He literally responds to innocuous youtube comments with the phrase, as though the commenter was trying to argue anything in the first place.
I do think 'not an argument' is probably the strongest argument of all time though, I will never stop shilling for Moly, and I'd probably be happy to pay his jizya of ONE DOLLAR
>>73080575
Because I know he watches Stefan Molyneux, calls Trump supports Trumpcucks, Is an avid supporter of Bernie Sanders but doesn't know enough about the guy that he isn't a Socialist, says blow the fuck out a lote, writes in those autistic 6 line max style, ends his posts with an insult to bait you into an argument, capitalizes words to sound smart, the way he responded to my post, the fact that he just unfriended me on Facebook a minute after posting that, how he stopped posting in this thread when I told him to and how he constantly starts his sentences with: "He doesn't understand."
He's also autistc and goes to gay artshows with his mom, the only reason I'm doing this is because of egocentrical view of his arguments and the condescending tone of his thread when he's such a fucking lowlife himself.
>>73074038
Lol that retard won't even respond to your post.
>mfw I come across this theead
>mfw /pol/ is tearing a socialist bern victim a new asshole for Tyrone to fuck
Lol
