It is literally time to mother FUCK the government. We are FREE MEN.
FUCK THE GOVERNMENT.
WE ARE FREE MEN. FUCK YOU
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/05/05/feds-expected-announce-final-e-cigarette-rule-could-nearly-ban-them/83951786/
>>73065439
Get ready for plenty of fedora tipping posts from /pol/'s resident statists.
>>73065439
I still can't believe how utterly SAD+MAD the tobacco industry got because of vaping
Payed online canadians on /pol/ shilling cigarettes soon.
>>73065439
Get a boat and go out to sea, that's the closest place without a government.
>>73065439
e-cigs aren't tobacco tho so why ban?
Theres nothing wrong or unhealthy about e cigs. This is blatantly about power and money. Cheat on your taxes. Fuck the gov
>>73065827
The tobacco industry realized they couldn't compete with the smaller manufacturers and deliver a product that was satisfactory so instead of innovating they're using big daddy government to shut down the competition. Also tax revenues.
>>73065439
Yeah fuck the government. Growing my own tobacco and brewing my own alcohol, and I am only 18.
>>73065439
This makes me so happy, the amount of salt from the annoying vaping people on my campus will be out of this world, fuck those guys and their degenerate civic ricing vaping hobbies
Seriously though. It is your duty in life to shit on government as much as possible. Take what you can and salt the earth.
>>73065439
>>73065924
The government will pass more laws and take another source of enjoyment away from you.
Another straw on the camel's back.
When will you finally take a stand against this authoritarian government? How many freedoms need to be taken away from you before you actually do something?
Oh well, I'm just wasting my breath on you. Get back to posting angry comments on a Himalayan basket-weaving enthusiasts forum and keep whispering to yourself "I'm making a change!"
>>73065992
If the cigarette companies had so much control over the government, then how come taxes on cigarettes are so high and there are a bunch of anti-tobacco campaigns that appeal to retards, eh?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4srWvLXZRw
>>73065439
>The Tobacco Control Act of 2009 sets February 15, 2007, as the latest date by which all tobacco products would have to have to be grandfathered in.
Time travel at the FDA?
>>73065439
To think your breaking point was someone taking away your vapes
>>73065439
I'm no fan of big tobacco pulling this shit, but vapefags are fucking annoying. I don't even associate with a childhood friend anymore because he can't keep his VHS tape sized vape out of his mouth for two seconds, obnoxiously pulling on it loud for everyone to hear. Smoking up a room just because he can and say "It's just water vapor bro".
I don't mind vaping, a lot of people use it to ween themselves off cigarettes which is good. But the vape community is cancer.
>>73066092
t. mob boss
tobacco lobbyists win
keep eating mcdonalds, keep smoking cheap cigarettes
population control must go on
>>73066295
How did you end up in Brazil? How much lulz can I expect from the Olympics?
>usa has most freedom compared to many countries
>still wants more freedom
>>73066350
oh and drugs and guns because freedom
(because the richest country on the planet couldn't afford to stop a bunch of mexicans from smuggling drugs for decades right?)
>>73066350
Also no hand-rolled Cubans for you, goyim. Bill needs them all for intern pussy in the White House;.
>>73066196
>how come taxes on cigarettes are so high
Captive market.
>anti-tobacco campaigns that appeal to retards
Those ads are all terrible. The one you posted is so incredibly bad that it probably convinced a few people to start smoking.
>>73066295
it's why i'm voting for britain to leave the eu
>>73066350
it's the pharmaceutical lobbyists as well as tobacco.
they want to sell you nicorette and patches, that are far less effective than vaping.
Now people who want to quit are joining the vape nation and staying, instead of bouncing between smoking and shitty overpriced nicotine gum forever.
>>73066385
Family. Well, bring an extra pair of shoes because dog and cat shit is absolutely fucking rampant on the streets. Not many lulz here, seriously, I would not recommend coming here unless its for business or you're wanting to piss your time away
>>73066295
Honestly didnt even know what the brazil flag looked like cause youre that shit tier
>>73065439
>tfw
mouth fedora tippers btfo
>>73065811
Estonia why do you love /v/ girl so much, completely forgot her name
>>73066691
You're goddamn right it is
>>73065815
>implying the US Navy won't fuck your shit up.
>>73065439
so what
it's no surprise that the FDA would do research into people inhaling a bunch of mystery chemicals and find out there's something wrong with it
>>73066350
You can also not smoke and not eat poison disguised as food.
>>73066800
t. unfiltered autist
>>73066303
I vape and successfully got off cigarettes with them but I agree with you.
The so called vape community are a pack of obnoxious morons. The lingo they use is infuriating too.
Mod my ass, it's a fucking battery.
>>73066871
but you can
the only thing illegal now is inhaling flavored liquid
this is America
>>73065924
>Theres nothing wrong or unhealthy about e cigs.
lmao you don't actually believe this do you?
>>73066625
How many iq points do you have?
>>73065439
IDC , anyone I see with one of those , I always think 'douchebag'
Its like , they can't walk around with a cock in their mouth all the time , that'd out them as the faggots they are. So instead they walk around with this 'vape pen'
We know the truth you weird perverts !!!
>>73066969
virtually nothing in comparison to actual cigarettes
but ok
>>73067031
Yeah, I suppose being shot in the foot isn't as bad as being shot in the head.
>>73067006
Not low enough to be posting anime images
>>73066897
Technically the mod is the device that holds the battery and gets it's name from the early days when people would use flashlight cases instead of purpose made devices but I more or less agree with you. The "vaping subculture" is pretty disgusting and filled with way too many people that just see it as another way to stand out from the crowd like the special little snowflake they are.
>People actually thought vaping was "safe"
>>73067071
only an autist from this board could compare smoking to being shot
I assure you, you'd much rather be shot and die quickly than ever smoke your whole life and die slowly the last 5-10 years
>>73066897
breh u jelly of my dual 18650 200W regulated mod running dual clapton coils with scottish roll kendo cotton wicks in my authentic chrome RDA dripping premium 100% VG competition grade liquid
these clouds are thick as shit
>all these angry vape posts
Get rekt faggots.
>>73066196
>If the cigarette companies had so much control over the government, then how come taxes on cigarettes are so high and there are a bunch of anti-tobacco campaigns that appeal to retards, eh?
Because one part of government digs a hole and the other part of government fills it back up.
>>73067167
>mexicans actually think they have the right to speak on this board
trump will be regulating this
>>73067190
I think smokers and vapers should be lined up against the wall and shot if thats what you mean
>>73066800
The only "mystery ingredients" are flavorings (and in most cases, sweeteners), which admittedly shouldn't be inhaled, but are no more dangerous than the plethora of chemicals that exist in cigarettes, at more significant concentrations.
And it's not like the tobacco industry doesn't peddle "flavored cigarettes", which actually combusts the flavorings, rendering them much more dangerous than anything that could be vaporized.
>>73067268
>DUDE VAPE BRO LMAO
fuck off
>>73066897
A friend of mine has been getting into this shit, and after letting him go on a long explanation of various flavors, coils and constantly changing computer settings, I like to pull out a cigg and say "yeah but lighting it on fire's more fun."
>>73065439
>the U.S. Food and Drug Administration would have to approve all tobacco products not currently regulated that hit stores after February 2007
E-cig isn't a tobacco product, it's just a thing that vaporises liquid. Seems like this only regulates e-cig juice.
>>73065439
How does one mother-fuck?
Make your own liquid. Just got to buy the nicotine which is already regulated.
>>73066020
STOP LIKING WHAT I DONT LIKE
>>73067367
We have an edgelord here
>>73067146
Can you get youtube in banana land?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90M7kH5wCtA
>>73067306
Muhammad please, you'll never integrate if you can't understand that we don't use sharia law in the west.
>literally smoking the electronic jew
Kill yourselves faggots
>>73067583
>Looking for the lighter.
Full blue pill.
>>73066196
>If the cigarette companies had so much control over the government, then how come taxes on cigarettes are so high
Because you're gonna pay anyway.
>then they came for the mouth fedoras, but I did nothing, because I did not suck the robot dildo
>>73067847
>then they came for the furries, after that they stopped coming for people
>>73067704
>mfw I worked in a factory that filled those things
You realize it's not regulated, right? I've seen people spit in 5 gallon buckets of the liquid. Not to mention most of the places are literally owned by jews.
example: http://visulate.com/rental/visulate_search.php?CORP_ID=P12000016065
>>73065439
Smoking side: Don Draper
Ecigs side: VapeNation
They're not banning it because it's bad. They're banning it because it's degenerate
lol get rekt
>>73068168
>Not using wax
>>73067459
>it's edgy telling vapefags to fuck off
vapefag detected
>>73065439
Vape is already illegal in Canada for 18 and under. Really fucking retard 2bh, just the tobacco jew trying to protect his shekels.
I decided to buy a vape and some syrup for it, and to be honest it's pretty cool. Not the sort of thing you should be doing in public, but I don't see a reason not to use it at home every once in a while.
>>73068517
>the government fucking people over is fine as long as it happens to people i dont like xD
>>73068789
keep smoking that electronic jew, vapefag
>>73065439
Smoking used to be seen as a stress reliever, now its just another shitty western fad.
>>73065439
Stop getting your pantsu in a twist.
Just ignore the law. It's easy. Pretend it doesn't exist. It's what I do with cocaine.
Laws are for idiots/chumps/women.
>>73068827
>good thing the government is protecting jewish investments in tobacco companies xDDD
>>73066207
>retroactive change of law
welcome to the kind of business regulation that is slowly destroying america .
Made an investment into a groundbreaking industry that is 100% legal and secure ?
Not so quick , the law might change in 10 years and retroactively fuck your shit up .
Still feel like taking the risk ?
>>73065439
Man I hope they ban these. There's nothing worse than some chemical addict sucking one of these things and billowing all over the fucking place, with them thinking it's actually safe now.
Sorry faggots, nobody wants to breathe your garbage. Not from a cigarette, not from Chinese plastic. Fuck off and get some backbone instead of being incapable of functioning without sucking chemicals.
>>73065439
Land of the free, eh?
>>73068981
>smoking in general
kill yourself
oh wait
LMAO fucking faggots get owned
if you vape you are literally autistic
why not just smoke a fucking cigarette like a normal human?
>My nicotine Jew is superior to yours
Congratulations on being both a degenerate addict and an elitist faggot
Smoking Is a shit addiction that drains ~4000$ of your shekels each years.
>''But muh stress!''
Stop being a fucking pussy and deal with your problems.
Sure they may have banned vaping, but soon we'll have weed.
>>73065439
vaping is gay and unhealthy
why would you want a more efficient delivery system for nicotine
if you use it to quit then amen to that but fuck this vapists who are hardcore into their hobby with "rigs" they are just destroying themselves efficiently with a dangerous and unfun drug just like cigarettes and lying to themselves about it.
I have tried it btw i prefer cigarettes.
>>73069120
>I can't accept that people make free individual choices
>I want the government to have more power over what people consume
>"fit in , goy"
leftists like you should be removed from the US
OY VEY THE GOYIM ARE INCREASINGLY TURNING TO VAPES AND NOT BUYING OUR CIGARETTES
anyone, vaper or not, who supports increased government regulations on anything is a fucking jew that should be gassed
>E-cigs are illegal
>Normal tobacco still legal
Wew lad. Another thing I don't understand is that if tobacco companies put tons of toxic chemicals in tobacco, why not just regulate it? I mean, a baker is not allowed to sell bread with rat poison in it, so why can the tobacco compnany do it?
>>73069589
>>73069743
How much does your dealer pay you to shill?
Or do you do it for free?
LE FEDORA MEMES
stupid fucks not realizing its government protecting those kike tobacco companies
>>73069743
This, familia
>>73065439
>you inhale into your lungs
>cigars
Why do we have people who have no idea what the hell they're talking about in charge of our laws?
>>73069868
your post makes no sense, moshe. don't forget to turn on your hot plate, you've only got a day until the sabbath.
>>73069743
People don't seem to realize that this is really a cash grab by the government. Conspiracy theories aside, regulation = extreme taxation.
Increased taxation shouldn't even be discussed until the government is reformulated to stop superfluous spending habits, that resemble that of a heroin junkie, and they're audited, and held accountable for their shit decisions.
>>73065439
remind me again why anyone should still respect some of the nonsense laws that our way over-sized federal government makes?
>>73069743
I support hanging and burning all government employees and politicians.
GOOD. I was tolerant of e-cig fags in the beginning, even thought I thought they were retarded. The line was crossed when people were doing it in movie theaters. Nothing like watching a movie and seeing multiple puffs going in front of your face. Ban them all
Damn I was really looking forward to vaping after my pregnancy.
>>73065439
>roomate is a vapefag
>he literally HUFFS the damn thing, constantly with no breaks
How do these people not have nicotine poisoning?
>>73070522
desu I don't smoke often but when I do I'll smoke a whole pack or two at once
Who even puts nicotine in their vapes?
I fucking hate those people who do that shit and get like those fuck huge box things but I mean if you just have a normal cigar sized vape pen I don't see what's wrong with it, those are literally just cyberpunk cigars.
>>73070522
Not all juices have nicotine, you have to order it with it in there, some is literally just flavor with no drugs.
>>73070510
People shouldn't have been doing that in theaters, in the first place. But that should've been up to the private institutions (like the theater,) to have banned it....
>>73070521
Please don't even consider using any addictive substances while breastfeeding..........
>>73070888
In my town everywhere you can't smoke you also can't vape.
>>73070888
>But that should've been up to the private institutions (like the theater,) to have banned it....
>if its against the rules, people wont do it!
lol
>>73071098
If it's against the rules of the establishment, then they have every right to kick the fuckers out, even after having paid, if they're doing something that isn't allowed on the premises.
This will wake the leftist, hippie shits up more than anything else.
Federal bureaucrats, not elected or held accountable to the people, should not have the power to KILL AN ENTIRE INDUSTRY.
By VOTING DEMOCRAT they have enabled BIG GOVERNMENT to do WHATEVER THE FUCK THEY WANT.
They did this to themselves, but now they know, big government is just going to fuck you over.
>>73065439
>illegal
They're just regulating the production and sales you idiot
God forbid you can't mass produce a drug and sell it without having the government make sure you aren't killing people for profit
>>73071290
You over-estimate their criticality. They'll simply shift the blame over to the "evil right wing conspiracy", "the 1%", and/or "white people".
>>73071509
They let the heroin industry do that
>>73071563
>white people
But vaping is a white hobby
Will i still be able to use my vape to make thc laced ejuice?
>>73071509
>God forbid you can't mass produce a drug and sell it without having the government make sure you aren't killing people for profit
fucking gommie
if i wanna kill people for money it should be LEGAL
#LegalizeWetWorks
>>73071618
I've actually seen black people vape in my city fairly frequently. Maybe you need to leave Portland, or whatever homogenous shit-tier city you live in, before you make those types of statements.
>>73066492
>knocking owning guns
That's for fighting off crooks of all kinds. Religious extremists, politicians, burglars, they're all filth.
>>73065439
The Obama administration has always been in the pocket of Big Tobacco. The first major bill his administration passed outlawed cloves and flavored cigarettes - the very smokes manufactured by small companies that were a thread to RJ Reynolds market share.
I vape and have a shot of Scotch after work, a little regulation is fine, why is anyone shitting their pants over this?
>>73072947
Read the article, it's not a little regulation, it's designed to price small companies out of the market.
>That means nearly all every e-cigarette on the market — and every different flavor and nicotine level — would require a separate application for federal approval. Each application could cost $1 million or more,
>>73072947
Because....
If you give a regulatory body an inch, they will always take several trillion miles.
>>73072947
The regulation that the FDA is proposing would give control of the e-cig market to large tobacco firms. The little players dominating the scene right now would be completely incapable of playing the regulation game.
>>73065439
Fucking Hipsters got what was coming. Vaping is literally fedora tipping.
>>73072947
Government regulation is never good.
>>73067437
Yes
>>73067268
not an argument
>>73072947
They are effectively locking out anyone not loaded from getting into the e-juice making business by requiring applications for ever flavor and % nicotine combination.
Only companies that could be able to afford that would be the same big business that controls cigarettes.
Its essentially killing the industry for everyone but the elite. Prices will skyrocket, you wont be able to compete, and thats just horseshit power to give to people who arent accountable to the american voter.
>>73065439
You can make fun of vaping all you want but after two months of vaping I kicked an eleven year smoking habit.
I cannot believe it would even be considered to ban them.
>>73065439
Smoking is degenerate.
Enjoy your cancer.
>>73066207
But but vaping I'm sure damages the ozone and water supply ;)
>>73065439
Haha. I'm an Authoritatian Leftist and the only thing funnier than butt hurt republicans is seeing citizens trying to rally against the government. You are NOTHING FAGGOT
>>73073860
Mouth breathing SJW liberals damage the ozone and water supply more.
>>73073951
I'm a drug dealer. Kiss my ass fag.
"I vape." - Douchebags
>>73065439
Fuck your mouth fedora, keep that shit indoors in your house.
I don't care about any of the regulations other than that they might ban nicotine concentrate for DIY mixing. As far as I can tell right now, they're just going to require a photo ID, even when you buy online.
The rest of the raw materials I require to keep up my atheist flute habit they can't ban.
I'm 20 and I've been smoking since I was 13. Went to a local vape shop and got a small pen thing to use. Literally miles better than the camel blues I used to smoke. Plus I'm supporting a locally owned business. And its cheaper. I can get a months worth of juice for 10 bucks. Vs the 7 bucks a pack I paid.
>>73073800
you weren't addicted to smoking, you were addicted to nicotine. now you get your nicotine from a new source.
Good, they are protecting us from the electric fedora
>>73074907
You've just listed all the reasons the government wants to ban it.
Supporting local businesses over international conglomerates is a big no-no. So is having fun.
Saving money that could be going to campaign donors is the biggest no-no.
>>73074986
cigarette smoke contains MAOI analogues and a bevy of other chemicals that significantly increase the addictive qualities of nicotine.
>>73067386
I would start smoking again just so I could do that, kek.
btw, I read Allen Carr's book and I quit. Am I a beta cuck for utilizing a self help book?
>>73065439
While I don't own any fedoras, I haven't had a cigarette in over a year thanks to my vape. I am going to be very pissed if they do this. I guess I'm gonna go buy a fuckload of juice today
![1439696648466[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rBiCSdM.jpg "1439696648466[1].jpg")
>>73075980
Look into DIYing and stockpile nictotine concentrate if it seemss like they're going to heavily regulate it. The other ingredients will remain unregulated and easy to acquire.
My concern is what will happen to the device and atomizer industry in the US.
Been vaping about 5 years. Feels great not waking up coughing. I agree the whole vaping community is fucking retarded. It's not cool if you can be a fucking fog machine, you just look like an idiot. I have a sensible vape that doesn't burn through juice too quickly and gives me just enough vapor to look and feel like a real cigarette.
>>73073951
A leftist would not use the word faggot, nice try gaylord
>>73065439
No one is being paid to shill for Hillary. It's a Republican-funded lie and a pathetic attempt at smearing her campaign.
>>73076317
enjoy your popcorn lung.
>>73076511
>No one is being paid to shill for Hillary. It's a Republican-funded lie and a pathetic attempt at smearing her campaign.
is this some new gay copy pasta i am unaware of?
>>73065439
Good, maybe sales of actual cigarettes would increase.
Someone needs to ask Trump if he'll change these regulations when he gets into office.
>>73076317
Will no nicotine juice be regulated or can we continue to vape just for flavor?
>>73076656
You aren't supposed to inhale from a vape pen, you puff like a cigar
>>73076656
Or you just avoid faggoty creamy or buttery vape juice. Even then it's only the fucking gook juice that has that shit in it. If you buy American juices you're fine.
>>73076776
like most establishment democrats and republicans, he's a fan of government 'fixing' things. so probably not.
![1492658972181441451[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/ODu3HQ4.png "1492658972181441451[1].png")
>>73076656
good thing I'm not a dumb butter/custard faggot that uses diacetyl then
>>73076866
From what I've read even 0% nic juices are going to be regulated if intended for public sale, but the PG, VG, flavors will remain unregulated because they have uses outside of cloud comps.
>>73065439
>AMERICA
>LAND OF THE FREE
TOP ZOZZLE
>tobacco legal but e-cigs banned
YOU'RE MORE C UC K E D THAN I THOUGHT
>>73076656
That's only diacetyl which most reputable manufacturers have stopped using.
>>73070510
Smoking in movie theaters was a normal thing until 20-30 years ago.
Don't see why you have to ruin what was a fine tradition faggot.
>>73077050
>PG, VG, flavors
What other kinds of juice is there?
>>73065439
*hits vape* I'd like to see them find my stash in my huge vapor clouds.
>inb4 a tobacco cigarette/cigar smoker responds
18+
>>73065439
>http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2016/05/05/feds-expected-announce-final-e-cigarette-rule-could-nearly-ban-them/83951786/
Ugh.
I'm pretty well stocked on hardware but this could make getting nic juice virtually impossible eh?
Anyone know a good way to store it? It seems to have a shelf life and go off if you keep it too long.
This literally affects no one important.
Owning an e-cig is worse than owning a fedora nowadays. You may as well admit to being an atheist who aspires to work in the anime industry in Japan.
>>73077209
Make your own nicotine juice out of chewing tobacco or another moist tobacco.
>>73077290
What if I'm an atheist who works in the firearms industry?
>>73066303
I do that ironically just too piss people off. I even go outside with normie smokers and talk about how I could vape inside but I'm out here with them in the cold.
DUDE CLOUDS LMAO
>>73077290
>Posting the same thing over and over under different IDs
Have the Hillary shills also been hired by big tobacco?
>>73076656
>buying chinese liquids
lmaoing@yourlife dumb fearmongerer
>>73065811
Fuck you weebo cigs are great :^)
(did it for free)
>>73065439
Vape thread? I'm rocking a TFv4 Mini with Ni Air coils on a DNA 200 mod. Peanut butter 80% VG 3mg liquid. Absolutely perfect.
I vape bud, not nicotine. I'm not that degenerate.
>>73077209
Propylene glycol keeps well. I kept phenazepam in a solution of pg for 6 months with no issues
>>73077209
>Anyone know a good way to store it?
In a cool, dark place with a minimal amount of air in contact with the liquid. The expiration is a result of nicotine oxidizing into an inactive compound. A fridge or freezer may also be an option but I'm not entirely sure.
I don't understand. They're not banning anything. They're just regulating it.
>>73065439
AUTISTIC NECKBEARD VAPE VIRGINS ON SUICIDE WATCH!
degenerates..
>>73069053
You realize it being regulated is going to make it cooler to vapebros? They'll think it makes them even more special. I vape in my car, at home, and with friends that smoke. If I see a vapebro, I keep my mod hidden. I have a cheap one and keep it on a reasonable setting since the idea of blowing huge clouds is just pointless to me. I like hookah so it's like electronic hookah to me.
>>73076656
And how much diacetyl is in tobacco again? Oh it is 750 times higher amount? Yeh gee, we should ban e-cigarettes then should we?
>>73077915
>They're just regulating it.
and those regulations make it impossible for about 95% of the current market to operate, effectively banning them if not outright or specifically doing so.
>>73066179
How do you act anon?
>>73078461
If 95% of the market needs regulated, then maybe the shit should be banned.
>>73066020
Nice post you authoritarian faggot.
>>73078547
>needs
>>73078670
>Children should be able to smoke whatever they want, nothing NEEDS regulation
This is why nobody likes libertarians.
>>73077209
>50 watts
Cmon bro, mine is set at 21 and I get plenty of vapor. Cloud chasers and vapebros cause me to get mad which makes me vape more
>>73077874
>>73077907
PG may keep well but does VG? I use 50/50 or VG heavy. I've kept it sealed at room temperature for 3 months and found it gone sour before.
>e-cigs become illegal
>i'll still be using my vape pen for marijuana derivatives
so?
>>73066969
So whats unhealty about e-cigs? Not trying to argue, im just interested.
>>73078547
>needs
that's completely subjective. the point is it isn't banned, the regulations don't protect anyone and only help big tobacco by getting rid of competition whether to their tobacco or their ecig products.
>>73078879
>rules and regulations don't protect anyone
Huh?
>>73078795
>implying the anon was advocating children vape at all
>implying that's the kind of regulation anyone is complaining about
>>73067386
epic trolling
>>73078797
I actually keep mine set at 30 now, but remember this is a temp controlled rig, you set a temperature and regardless of wattage set it goes to wattage 0 when it reaches your temperature. Then it starts going on and off very quickly, delivering just enough to keep the coils at the desired temperature. No matter how much wattage you set it will never overheat.
>>73078819
Nicotine is still damaging and if you get the liquid too hot it can become toxic(?). If you are reasonable with it and not a DUDEMUHCLOUD bro, it's much better for you. Clear lungs, skin, teeth, you don't smell horrible to non-smokers, ect
>>73077713
Poopoo Butter you mean
>>73078804
>VG has a very limited shelf life, and again according to Dow Chemical, given its severely limited shelf life, extracts made from Vegetable Glycerine typically have a shelf life of 14-24 months.
Not sure why you're having issues
>>73066196
Tobacco is a scapegoat to satiate the retarded masses.
>>73079007
>implies it doesn't NEED regulation
>h-he didn't mean that kind of r-regulation!
You fucking embarrassment.
>>73065811
It's been a slow start, but tobacco companies ARE selling their own electronic cigarettes. In fact, we're encouraged to pitch alternative products (mainly snus and e-cigs) to consumers. We're all but banned from hawking actual tobacco products.
>>73066196
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agreement
It was actually a great compromise. We pay for those anti-tobacco ads in exchange for a lot of looks the other way.
>That means nearly every e-cigarette on the market — and every different flavor and nicotine level — would require a separate application for federal approval. Each application could cost $1 million or more, says Jeff Stier, an e-cigarette advocate with the National Center for Public Policy Research and industry officials.
Sweet christ, that's ridiculous.
>>73078804
I'm not sure. I've only stored benzodiazepines in propylene glycol and polyethylene glycol
>>73065439
>WAAAAH I WON'T BE ABLE TO POISON PEOPLE AROUND ME WITH MY CANCER-STICKS
>on my way to work
>not a single day goes by when some fat faggot (they are invariably overweight and middle aged) on his way to work puffs out a cloud of caramel smelling vapour in my face
>>73079055
Are they all like that? I'm a casual , I have a cheap eleaf istick and haven't needed to turn it up from 21-22w.
>>73079128
High wattage vaping is stupid as fuck imo because of the potential to form hazardous compounds, but nicotine itself is not particularly harmful and even has potent neuroprotective properties.
http://discovermagazine.com/2014/march/13-nicotine-fix
>contractors tasked with enforcement will be ready to "hit the ground running"
kek watch out, the tobacco mob is coming for you
>>73070266
![maxresdefault[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/X0rTjLo.jpg "maxresdefault[1].jpg")
>>73079369
I've yet to meet someone who vaped that is not a gigantic faggot so I support this ban immeasurably.
>>73065439
We need more prohibited substances. Take a look around, people need our help. You should be thankful that smarter people than you care about what damage you do to yourself.
>>73078993
they don't protect anyone aside from effectively banning small businesses from making juice.
>>73079206
i get it, you're being a contrarian dickhead and arguing for the sake of it, but no one advocated children should vape. it was something you contrived so you could cry about why it """"needs""" to be regulated and some shit about libertarians.
so bye faggot, waste someone else's time.
>>73079452
>because of the potential to form hazardous compounds
It really depends on the coil.
Vaping is cool and you will be surrounded by beautiful women
>>73071290
>implying they don't want the gov't to run their lives and take all their choices away.
>>73079758
>y-you're just t-trolling
Fucking hell. No wonder you got that faggot in charge of your country. You cry like a literal child when you lose an argument. I guess that's to be expected of autistic vaping fedoralords though.
>>73079379
I had to tell my younger brother to not use his vape at my place. If I wanted my garage, where I smoke, to smell like unicorn semen, it would.
>>73065439
DAE LE SOVEREIGN CITIZEN
FREE MAN ON THE LAND XDDDDDD
You fucks are scum.
>>73079182
So that explains it.
Can probably extend the life a bit by keeping it in the coldbox. Might be better to stock up on other components and order fresh VG to mix with periodically, assuming that VG/PG without anything else added doesn't get banned too.
>>73079408
No, temperature control or TC rigs are relatively new, just been around long enough to find one like I have on closeout now though, the Chinese are developing these things very quickly.
>>73080133
>VG/PG without anything else added doesn't get banned too
They're GRAS and used in a huge number of different applications outside of vaporizers. The only thing at risk of regulation is the actual nicotine concentrate.
>From a health perspective, to reduce the social acceptance of them is good because frankly, it's the wild, wild West out there," she says. "Vape stores are everywhere."
>WAH CAPITALISM
What a cunt hope she gets lung cancer
>This shit also hits cigars.
Fucking hell man. This means that a cigar that's been on the market for almost 10 years will have to get evaluated and with that fuck hueg $1 mill fee. It's going to kill off a lot of the small botique brands that really shine out against the giants. I'll be damned if I have pay extra to get good shit from 3rd parties.
>mouth fedoras
Just take up arms and march on Washington and fight for your rights, faggot.
all these butthurt smokers in this thread
about to hit my vape desu senpai
Honestly, some amount of regulation won't hurt this industry, in the interest of consumer safety. It's not exactly easy to actually check the quality here.
>>73079758
Every vape store IDs you before they even talk to you.
This is just a feel good law pushed by Big tobacco, pharma, and mostly soccer moms.
>>73065439
YEAH FUCK THE GUBBAMINT
MUH MOUTH FEDORA
>>73080635
This industry regulated itself pretty well in Europe.
>>73080635
It will absolutely kill the mom and pop vendors who can't afford to go through the regulatory process and you don't need the government to do quality checks. Anyone can send a sample off to a lab and have them tell you what's in it if that's what the consumer wants. This is actually what's happening now so the idea that this is to improve safety is bullshit.
>>73080635
Yeah I vape and smoke the occasional cigar, this doesn't hit me as much of a thing. It's just putting pressure on underage sales and (potentially) dangerous additives under the proverbial microscope. Nothing is being made illegal here. Expect prices to rise a bit but that's about it.
>>73080864
You're kidding, right?
>>73080796
>implying that's actually what happens when you step on a rattlesnake
All i want to do is vape in the comfort of my room while playing video games. I never do it around people.
every day life gets a little worse.
>>73080948
In France at least. What are you doing wrong?
>>73080701
>Every vape store IDs you before they even talk to you.
yeah i know and no one has a problem with prohibiting sales to underage buyers. it's the other set of regulations that will kill juice and hardware makers. there will be virtually nothing left in stores to sell.
>>73080908
>It will absolutely kill the mom and pop vendors who can't afford to go through the regulatory process
Regulating stores is nonsense, outside of carding. Which, I think, some states already require.
As you've noticed, I've said some regulation. Not excessive.
>Anyone can send a sample off to a lab and have them tell you what's in it if that's what the consumer wants.
THAT, however, is complete bullshit and you know it. No one does that, and the price is prohibitive, especially given the amount of samples you'd need.
>>73081038
You really think the EU just ignored the market?
>>73069743
this guy gets it.
>>73081166
>Regulating stores is nonsense
That's what they're doing. If this goes through each one of their products will have to be put through the approval process.
>THAT, however, is complete bullshit and you know it.
You're completely wrong. Here's one example and I'm sure you can find many more.
http://www.vapewild.com/the-wild-blogger/vapewild-test-results/
>>73080366
Alright time to see if I can find my flavor somewhere separately too I guess.
I'm a little picky about my 555.
>>73075592
Hence why I'm a libertarian nationalist and support american owned and local business above all else.
Hell why can't Tobbaco companies just adapt. Shit is like when the MPAA wanted to ban mp3s. For the last few years all brands of cigs have had an increase in sales but American Spirits, despite spirits costing more than every other brand. Why? Because they are a top tier smoke and are supposedly less toxic.
>1776
>tea tax is too much, people feel the government is fucking them
>revolution
>2016
>government is banning shit, regulating shit, spies on its people
>people are in support of this
Fuck man. What had my country become.
>mfw reading the statist shill comment section
>>73066800
yeah because the FDA does such a great job allowing all the other garbage chemicals into our food. this is just bullshit headline grabbing FDA wants control so they can have more money. They are a business.
>>73065439
finally those vaping faggots btfo
>>73080908
>Anyone can send a sample off to a lab and have them tell you what's in it if that's what the consumer wants.
Yeah, why bother having the ingredients or whatever shit is inside printed on the box or stupid ideas like that lol
>>73065439
i use heroin everyday but i am far from free, i would say less free than most people always having to stay 3 days ahead, cant hold a job if you arent 3 days ahead
>>73081410
>If this goes through each one of their products will have to be put through the approval process.
Which is a task for the manufacturers, not the stores.
>http://www.vapewild.com/the-wild-blogger/vapewild-test-results/
And this kind of test, especially this kind of publishing method, is bullshit. You don't tell the people who have an active interest in selling to test their own shit.
What I'm talking about is the wide variety of brands out there. If you send a sample of each new brand you try to an independent lab for testing, that will cost you.
Far easier to mandate the manufacturer to get the testing done, adhere to minimum standards, and then sell. That results in you getting a reliably safe product, and the profiteer also having to shoulder the cost and effort.
>>73081166
We have non government associations watching the chemicals and studies closely, the industry stays away from the potentially harmful ones and made their own safety regulations before the government even knew what was happening. Most stores kept teenagers and non-smokers at bay from the start.
So yeah, the industry has been regulating itself for a while now.
also as a heroin user i am an expert on what drugs make you look cool and no one has ever looked cool vaping, faggot
>>73081633
I'm talking about the manufacturer sending it to a lab to have their product's contents independently verified idiot. You know exactly the same thing the FDA will do only without the million dollar application fee.
>>73081807
>and no one has ever looked cool vaping
Who gives a crap, I just want to smoke without smelling like ass and making my room smell like ass.
Also, it's much cheaper.
>>73081887
never look like clint eastwood in the good the bad and the ugly though
>>73065439
hmm I wonder who could be influencing the government to ban E-cigs and not regular cigs... hmm... I guess it is just for the good of the people after all and nothing to do with money!
>>73081807
>no one has ever looked cool vaping, faggot
Why is this the go to?
Since some fag in a cowboy hat smoked for an ad four decades ago now everyone who smokes is trying to be kewl
>>73065439
>WE ARE FREE MEN.
Delusion. They can and will take away from you whatever pleases them. For children.
>>73082007
I don't look like that either way, and no cigarette will make me look like that, so I still don't give a fuck.
>>73081410
You do know how labs work, right?
They take enough samples that the results are meaningful and can be applied to the product in general and any errors are minimal
>>73082153
vaping isnt smoking
that nigger is just retarded
