Would you still hate immigrants if they had to pass this standard to get in?
- minimum 50,000 USD in savings
- minimum IQ of 100
- minimum education of 4 year degree or red seal trade equivalent
- minimum English proficiency of an average 12th grader (or whatever your country's language is)
- completely banned from using any kind of welfare until given citizenship
Is pol's hate for immigrants about race, welfare leeching, or taking jobs?
>>73033881
I don't hate them, as long as they're legal.
>>73033881
Are those standards higher than what we have now? Fucking hell.
>>73033881
why can't they make their country nice
....we don't hate immigrants. We hate ones coming illegally and ones pretending to be refugees. We also hate just giving them everything for free and no expectation of assimilation.
>>73033881
I think a lot has to do with identity and sense of belonging and connection with the past.
An immigrant will have a tendency to identify itself with a different group than the one including the majority of the people of the country he's in. The immigrant doesn't really have a choice in this, especially if he outright looks different.
Then, in order to feel included or to legitimize his presence in the country, the immigrant will have to try and redefine what the country so as to include himself in the picture. He may also have a wholly different political pattern adapted to the perceived need of "his" class. He'll be pro-immigration for instance.
>>73033881
Not good enough. The issue isn't the immigrants. It's their children. It's been well documented that there is a regression toward the mean. Legal immigrants are often the cream of the crop of where they come from, but their children tend to be more typical.
Yes, because:
>given citizenship
this should ONLY happen under very strict situations, like if you are at least 80% pure blood of the particular nation you're interested in, and only if the mix is with a max of one different nation from the same continent.
Or maybe don't give citizenships for immigrants at all.
>>73033881
>Would you still hate immigrants if they had to pass this standard to get in?
>- minimum 50,000 USD in savings
>- minimum IQ of 100
>- minimum education of 4 year degree or red seal trade equivalent
>- minimum English proficiency of an average 12th grader (or whatever your country's language is)
>- completely banned from using any kind of welfare until given citizenship
If they had all of this, they wouldn't be jumping borders. They would be applying for a tourist visa, and then studying for the Naturalization test.
Every country has a legal procedure in place for immigration. It would be nice if immigrants would respect that process.
>>73033881
That would actually be pretty fucking great, immigrants would be fine then.
>>73033881
Nobody hates immigrants who pull their own weight and make a reasonable attempt to integrate.
>>73033881
Of course it depends on the immigrants. White immigrants will usually have no difficulties integrating into a white nation. Non-whites will likely form their own separate communities and plot against us.
>>73033881
No hate. But it is about race. See kinship theory.
>>73033881
>race
Mostly this. Multi-cultural societies just don't really work- I mean, they work, but its a cold and rough kind of bare functionality. I'm not asking for 100% white, but the population should at least stop shrinking.
>>73034034
>73034034
no not really. replace minimum with "not legally barred but realistically only getting in if"
except for the IQ test and welfare because well whatever.
>english test TOEFL or other proof of english, including a conversation with consular officers
>proof of bank account with money - less than 50k but still a substantial amount
>advantage for college educated but there's so many applicants to the green card lottery that literally the only people selected have them anyway
the system is fine, its just that we have mexicans jumping over the fence
>>73033881
The other most important point is do we need them? If our labor force needs then, great. Otherwise, we don't need a labor glut suppressing wages even more.
>>73033881
France is for the French *period*
>>73034310
People of a different religion can not integrate.
People of a different race can not fully integrate.
It's never going to happen.
>>73034034
Pretty sure they are. These are our standards, which may be lower now thanks to the Liberals.
http://www.canadavisa.com/canadian-immigration-requirements.html
>>73034071
What if they were born into a country of redditor Berniefag socialists?
>>73034186
Do you have a citation for that? I really doubt that an immigrant with an IQ of 130 would end up with kids with an IQ of less than 100 in 1 generation unless he married a retard.
>>73034202
What the fuck does 80% pure blood Brazillian mean?
>>73034224
Mexicans really have spoiled the immigration discussion for Americans.
>>73034362
I've never had Asians plot against me aside from Marxists at UBC.
>>73034638
We can always use more smart people.
>>73033881
>minimum 50,000 USD in savings
Seems reasonable although maybe too high
>minimum IQ of 100
Realistically the minimum IQ would probably be impossible to implement, plus you'd still have all the POO IN LOOs trading answers and cheating like they always do
>minimum education of 4 year degree or red seal trade equivalent
Only allow them in if they have a job. Otherwise the pajeets will come swarming in waving their useless degrees and then stinking up the country
>minimum English proficiency of an average 12th grader (or whatever your country's language is)
Force them to take language courses up to a minimum level of proficiency of one of the countries national languages. I'm amazed that all countries don't do this yet
>completely banned from using any kind of welfare until given citizenship
Unemployment welfare should only be given out if they have worked a minimum of two years like here. If they want other GIBMEDATs such as child support they can fuck right off and should have thought about that before having children they themselves can't support.
Don't allow single mothers into the country.
Make becoming a citizen almost impossible. Again something similar to here where they have to wait a minimum of 12 years and even then will still probably be told to fuck off.
>>73033881
Islam.
Is
SHIT.
>>73034826
Means 80% blood from the natives here, the rest are mongrels that should be gassed.
Same for canada; us; mexico, australia.
>>73034957
So 80% Amerindian?
>>73035132
Yes. Seems like a good way to keep the ethnicities correct.
>>73035220
Lol. Doesn't that exclude like 90% of Brazil's population?
>>73035379
Of course it does. Only the natives and the pure-euro people from the rural colonies would survive (and would integrate back to their original places if allowed). It's literally perfect.
>>73033881
They need to not be Muslims either.
>>73033881
It's about race race race race
Kikes win when YTs cuck out of defending their living space God damnit
>>73033881
it's both. A nation without borders is no longer a nation. Increasing competition for resources in the citizen population is never good for the people, but the few elites, so therefore the common man will always dislike immigrants.
>>73033881
Most americans couldn't pass this.
The majority of any country couldn't pass this.
>>73033881
>>73034016
>as long as they're legal.
this
>>73033881
I don't want immigration because it violates the right to self determination of the Italian people.
Btw immigrating should be a privilege not a right
>>73041792
>As long as they're legal.
What defines legal in this sense, that seems to be a very broad application of this word.
If I'm really honest then I don't mind immigrants too much if I know they'd fully assimilate into our culture. So that means no Muslims at all, ever.
>>73033881
It's all fine as long as it doesn't involve niggers and sandniggers.
Regular niggers are just plain inferior who ruin everything and sandniggers are actively trying to destroy the west. Even if these two groups have the requirements, they shouldn't be allowed into christian territories and shot on the borders immediately upon detection.
>>73033881
>- completely banned from using any kind of welfare for 10 years and not eligible to collect social security ever but still has to pay in
>- minimum IQ of 115
*fixed
No. Because :
1. We must preserce homogeneity of our societies
2. These guys would be more useful in their shithole. How are shitholes supposed to stop being shitholes if all the worthy people leave for the West ? It just create and perpetuate a vacuum that is bad for everybody. Only reason foreigners should be temporarilly accepted if so they can get an education before going back to their shithole so they can make it better.
>>73033881
I don't mind people who immigrate through managed process. What I don't like is people sneaking in, scamming benefits, and feeling like they, somehow, should be allowed to vote.
It also bothers me that we import foreign students to go to school here when so many American-born children do without advanced education.
I also subscribe to lifeboat ethics quite a bit, though. You can't just allow a free, open influx of people to your country. Aside from being bad if you happen to like your own culture at all, totally ignoring that aspect of it, go crunch some numbers on how many people live in the 'States vs. how much land mass we have. Don't even worry yet about differentiating arable land vs. deserts, productive forest/wildlife habitat, and housing developments. You'll come up with a number around 5 acres per person...which is about the minimum needed to just feed somebody with today's agriculture, possibly not even accounting for beef farming which is resource intensive.
You still have to leave room for future housing and some growth, leave some forest so we have habitat, lumber, recreation and firewood, and you have to ensure you aren't overtaxing your aquifer like a lot of areas are now...looking at you, Hellifornia. Don't forget the alternative energy lovefest which will require large tracts of land.
Now, go read about Hardin's 'Lifeboat Ethics', with those numbers in mind.
If I allow a Hispanic family to immigrate legally today to come work here, then NOT controlling future immigration is literally doing them and their offspring a serious disservice. It is depleting their future resources and taking away 'wiggle room' to account for global instability in weather patterns, politics, etc. to ensure that we are able to take care of our own people when we need to and not rely on imports from the feel-good global economy.
>>73042489
yea but they should pay for that education, not get a state sponsored one payed with your taxes
>>73042102
I am white, I was born and live in the European part of the Russia. Since a while, I've been watching BBC, reading The Guardian and other media related to the UK: I see only a little discrepancy between the Russian, at least that one that fostered me, and the British cultures, mostly it's a local features.
>>73042617
Of course.
They'd be more qualified than any nigger
>>73033881
Good job, now none of them can get in even if we allowed it
>>73033881
Also
>dropping Islam
>complete assimilation, not integration
>citizenship after 30 years even for newborn, no participation in election for non-newborners ever
They're simply not welcome and burden, we don't have enough for ourselves, we have our own ill and poor, we're all burdened by heavy taxes since day of our birth but someone who never contributed single penny to the system should have equal 'privilegies'? Not a chance, also their culture and religion are utterly incompatible with ours, either they drop that entirely and adopt ours or they're not coming in.
You simply have no right to be here, if you want it you have to fucking EARN it and it means that you WILL work harder than natives.
>>73033881
Banned from any kind of welfare for life regardless of citizenship and we have a deal.
>>73034016
>Democratic party decriminalizes illegal immigration
>Everyone is legal
>Oh-ok. This is all I wanted, they're fine now.
That is how stupid you sound buddy.
>>73042900
Well put Czech bro. Governments should be putting in effort to make life more affordable for citizens first and foremost to make having children easier and not allowing others to come in and water down the populace.
>>73033881
You forgot
- Islam is forbidden
>>73033881
one of the biggest points is islam, which is effectively pursuing the destruction of western values and democracy.
>>73033881
I'm against illegal immigrants because they are breaking the law and yes, taking jobs away from the citizens. Race has nothing to do with it.
As for my views on Europe, that has everything to do with their native cultures and their desire to be pure welfare sponges in a set of countries already notorious for weak economies, but not their race.
Yes, Bindis and chinks are the worst immigrants
if i pass all of those things would any of you fine gentlemen welcome me into your first world country?
>>73044970
Nope. Keep in mind a canacuck made the OP.
>>73043384
no the only one who sounds stupid is you for moving the goalposts and assuming legalization = moving to extreme points
ur a fucking idiot obviously he wants secure borders and wants people to immigrate legally as to maintain the screening quo as to the people who go into our country
>>73044970
Nice try King Abdullah
>>73045299
hmm?
IQ is a meme, I scored 82 in my teens. Working as a software architect and part-time studying for CS PhD these days.
>>73033881
If they had all of that, I'm pretty sure most of us wouldn't mind. /pol/ hates certain groups of people for their behavior, not their identity.
>>73033881
That would be ok + job needed
>>73033881
lmao so no muslims then? Fine with me
>>73033881
There's nothing wrong people immigrating here.
However, the issue is, even if they're upstanding, intelligent, and law-abiding citizens, Europe and the US are fundamentally white countries built by white people for white people. If the immigrants came here and understood that, then there'd be no problem with letting in specific amounts of immigrants everywhere. But they simply come here from all over the world, get taught the "hate whitey" Leftist doctrine, and then believe the US is just as much theirs as it is white peoples.
If they show a degree of great intelligence, productivity, and ambition,then they need to help their own respective home countries become better countries. Everyone leaving from the 3rd world and dysfunctional countries doesn't fix the 3rd world and dysfunctional countries.
It took centuries for Europeans to build the 1st world countries we see today, and now, the immigrants want to come here, demand everything we have, while complaining nonstop that they aren't being catered to enough. They need to be helping their countries advance and become better, but they don't want to do that, because that would take hardwork, sacrifice, and time.
>>73033881
They don't want to immigrate. They wan't to conquer, turn Islamic and then conquer the next infidel country.
I'm an immigrant and I'd ban all immigration just to prevent jihad.
I don't mind educated darkies
But seeing them in entry level jobs pisses me off, why the fuck are so many middle aged asians working in supermarkets and as cleaners?
>>73033881
As long as they're made to adopt our way of life, I don't mind.
>M-muh hardworking Muslim citizens
It's not all about the economic benefits of immigration, while they are defenitely there even through illegal immigration, there are also some huge normative issues of race, cultural beliefs and religion.
Immigration leads to a rapid disappearance of any real cultural and racial identity turning citizens into nothing but financial accumulations for its leaders, it's not diversity that follows but people feeling no real connection to anything but their own financial gain to support themselves and their family.
I would be fine with immigration from countries like America, Germany, France and the likes, countries with very similar cultures that will do fine in our country without destroying its values.
>>73033881
None of that matters.
What matters is
>You come with a job because you have a very particular skill that's being demanded and not because you got into some H1B-like program
>You decide to move because you love the culture and you don't like your native's or you feel like you don't fit in your country of origin
>You plan to stay in the country as another citizen. This mean learning the language, spending money, paying taxes etc.
Biggest issue with immigration is that people don't come because they like the culture, they come because of a poor financial situation. They keep their culture, form ghettos and clash with the natives.
Another issue is that people don't come to stay. They come to leech off the country's wealth and they drain it to their families back home because the money there has more value and when they finally go back they can start a business or something.
And finally, since they come illegaly looking for any job under any conditions they not only bring their shitty culture but also they break the economic balance.
Now multiply all that for the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, that come to the west. Yeah, shoot them, we don't want them.
>>73046233
On top of the saladbowl immigration is a fluke, people will just move to areas that most compare to the country they immigrated from, creating areas that natives will move away from to live in areas that are dominantly white.
On a smaller scale immigrants will adjust and live accordingly most of the times, but on a scale this big they have no reason to and never will.
Push this long enough and you get a situation like America where you have different states with vastly different beliefs, sort of like tiny countries within a large one.
Why would anyone in the right mind willingly let this happen to their country?
Why should anyone wish for their country to break in tiny pieces just so people you have no real connection with or any real obligations to can live a better life.
Besides the long-term effects are only now showing us exactly what happens when you ship large quantities of people into a country and it's far from rosecolored like the economists had led us to believe, we're far from fucked yet and there's still a lot that can be done, I'm very positive about the future seeing as many people are finally accepting the issues that come with immigration and are now pushing back.
I am an immigrant; my parents moved to Canada from Iran. We have all learned English and adopted to the culture. The state of modern immigrants raises a few issues with me, and I have come to the conclusion that not all immigrants come with open hearts; most immigrants come to abuse the nation, so there must be requirements for immigrants (because my family is the exception to the rule).
Immigrants should fully integrate, pay taxes, not participate in the election process, and make an effort to be an upstanding citizen, to name a few. This is what I pride myself upon, but now, it is becoming something to gloat about (when an immigrant respects the nation and honours their end of the bargain: to respond to the compassion of the nation that they are guests in) as opposed to being requirements. I have great respect for the patience of the West with these third-world apes; I feel guilty when I see these immigrants ruining the legacy my family made as immigrants, tarnishing it by becoming welfare-leeching criminals. Sad times we are living in.
>>73045820
WORD.
hahahaa good thing I live in the mountains so I don't have to see a Syrian begging for me and damning me with a Quran verse
>>73033881
First of all, the problem of immigration is primarily genocide of our own genetics and our culture.
Second, the first problem is primarily borne out of the large masses of immigrants we import who are demographically replacing us.
Third, under your stipulations, there wouldn't even be 1% of 1% of these immigrants who meet or exceed them. As such, there wouldn't be a genocide crisis, white genetics and culture wouldn't be faced with existential risk, and there'd be actual benefits to the country and economy. Additionally, they wouldn't have the numbers to actually effect the labor markets either.
So yeah, OP. Wouldn't be an issue because you're not wiping out whites to import these immigrants. You'd only get a very small handful of the very most successful of them.
>>73046659
Addendum: I believe that white countries should put a cap on immigrants: both in quantity and quality. Those that have the potential to be upstanding citizens should be allowed, in numbers that are controllable, with certain laws on birthing rights (no 15-child families removing whites: if they start "budding", then kick them out).
