I think I've proven racism as an idea using formal logic. I want /pol/'s opinion and critique.
First I should define what I mean by racism. What I mean by "racism" in the context of this post is that some races are inherently less capable than others.
Now I will begin my argument.
1. The races have different physical characteristics.
This is obvious. We have different skin colors, facial features, hair, skull structure, etc.
2. The races share common physical traits.
We know this also. Black people generally have dark brown skin, and their tightly curled, fuzzy afro hair. White people share white skin, facial shape, etc.
3. The brain is a physical part of the body
We accept that the brain is a physical object. We can hold it.
4. The brain's capableness is a product of its physical structure.
We know this because we can see the effects of brain damage. The brains ability to perform is obviously related to its physical form.
5. Since (1. and 2.) the races have different shared physical characteristics; and (3.) the brain is a physical part of the body, it is reasonable to assume that the different races brains have different physical
structure.
6. Since we know that the brain's capableness is a product of its physical structure (4.), and we assume the races have physically different brains; it is reasonable to assume that the races have varying mental capabilities.
Help me refine this /pol/ Thanks fellas.
reposting with better formatting.
Bump for interest
>>73027934
I think I've proven racism as an idea using formal logic. I want /pol/'s opinion and critique.
First I should define what I mean by racism. What I mean by "racism" in the context of this post is that some races are inherently less capable than others.
Now I will begin my argument.
>1. The races have different physical characteristics.
This is obvious. We have different skin colors, facial features, hair, skull structure, etc.
>2. The races share common physical traits.
We know this also. Black people generally have dark brown skin, and their tightly curled, fuzzy afro hair. White people share white skin, facial shape, etc.
>3. The brain is a physical part of the body
We accept that the brain is a physical object. We can hold it.
>4. The brain's capableness is a product of its physical structure.
We know this because we can see the effects of brain damage. The brains ability to perform is obviously related to its physical form.
>5. Since (1. and 2.) the races have different shared physical characteristics; and (3.) the brain is a physical part of the body, it is reasonable to assume that the different races brains have different physical
structure.
>6. Since we know that the brain's capableness is a product of its physical structure (4.), and we assume the races have physically different brains; it is reasonable to assume that the races have varying mental capabilities.
>>73027985
NOT
It's a completely reasonable assumption. The data backs you up as well.
>>73027985
I'm pretty sure this exact same logic was used many much before you with the racial studies on human skulls, and different races of people are proven to have differently shaped skulls.
This is old news.
>>73028108
delete this
>>73028155
Yeah, and reading back over what I've written, I think I should my thesis to say that I've proven that racism is reasonable rather than saying that I've proven racism.
>>73027985
I agree with you, the one point I wonder about is "we assume the races have physically different brains"--is this true? Is there a source on this?
>>73027857
Niggers have 100cm^3 less skull cspacity and 60iq.
>>73028414
I'm not sure, so I didn't write it conclusively, but I'm extremely confident that it is true.
>>73028440
thats cuz whitey wuz oppresin them
>>73027985
Nothing new. Nevertheless this is correct. Without scientific examination on a reasonable sample (we now suspend our knowledge of scientific examinations actually done in the past) it is reasonable to assume you're right. And since Descartes we know that every bit of a posteriori knowledge rests on varying levels of belief so this should be accepted as a generally accepted paradigm until scientific examinations prove it otherwise.
>>73028644
do you think there is any merit to the common notion that minorities are less successful because of their environment?
>>73028586
mfw Mom is a nurse, she'd come back from work every once in a while with a story of a negress giving birth.
>lardass 230+ pounds
>man comes in with her with pants sagging, reverse baseball cap
>they smell like shit, watermelon,and chicken
>other black guy comes in
>the two men argue over who the father is
>both leave the hospital premises
>another dindu is born into the world named Jamall.
She also had stories of cuckold liberal whites giving birth to black babies.
I just noticed that one of premises of the argument though can be argued:
> Since we know that the brain's capableness is a product of its physical structure (4.), and we assume the races have physically different brains; it is reasonable to assume that the races have varying
Somebody's gripe could be: Can you prove that different types of brain's physical structure produce varying level of brain's capableness?
It's not mine, however for a sake of mental gymnastics, try arguing against this point.
>>73028964
Why did our ancestors do this to us senpai?
>>73027857
This could be the stupidest post in /pol/ history.
I suppose different races have different lung capacities or different digestive systems too. I mean, we can just ASSUME THIS because we look different right?
Try some actual science
https://debunkingdenialism.com/category/race-realism-and-racism/
>>73029068
I come from Russia, I'll be fucking off to Europe if Hillary gets elected and things get shaky.
>>73029037
Yes this was what I was sort of getting at by describing brain damage in statement #4
Its a good critique though. I'm thinking of the best way to counter it.
>>73028808
I do. But in nearly every real-world problem (outside of controlled environment problems done in laboratories or analytic philosophy courses) there's a set of different factors influencing a certain result. Rarely if ever there's a single factor being a cause of a certain problem. Therefore I'd say that not only there's an anthropological and historical factors in-play with limited success of minorities in USA, but also biological and cultural factors. To point them all out and examine could be a subject of my MA dissertation if I was studying sociology. 4chan is not a place for such type of discussion
>>73029105
They are based on similar genetic "molds", but no two systems are exactly alike. Of course they vary between races. That's why East Africans excel at marathons, West Africans excel at sprinting, and North Europeans excel at strongman.
>>73027857
NIGGERS.
There I said it. You're welcome.
>>73029105
>some dude's blog post
>actual science
wew
>>73029105
Sub-Saharan Africans are pure homo sapiens, Asians and Europeans are homo sapiens who intermixed with neanderthals, who make up 4% of our DNA today. These were primates who were making tools and sailing the mediterranean 100,000 years ago, and who had an average cranial capacity back then that's higher than what modern humans have today. To say that there would be no difference between two groups when one literally interbred with separate hominid would suggest a belief in magic or the supernatural.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neanderthal#Interbreeding_with_modern_humans
>>73029371
I think of a way of countering it from probability theory, I just need to find right words to express it. Honestly I believe a good counter-argument is a simple one in this case. Though I'm dead tired right now.
Your point about brain damage leaves an open field though in a fashion of:
>brain damage changes a brain's physical structure only in a way "x"
>therefore brain's physical structure changed in a way "x" produces limited level of capableness
>however every other type of brain's physical structure outside of one changed in way "x" might still produce same level of capableness
>>73029392
I think the effects of past discrimination on blacks in America is starting to approach 0%. I wonder how long the public will be able to accept this commonly held narrative, and what the consequences will be when they realize that the race problem is not a matter of environment.
>>73029742
Yeah my sleep medication is kicking in and I'm having a hard time thinking of a criticism-proof way of describing my thoughts. I might refine this and repost tommorow.
>>73029792
Don't make a mistake, we're on the same page, but I was talking more about a limited success of races constituting significant minorities in USA world-wide, historically. To every problem there's a complex number of factors and past discrimination might be a tiny one of them, still in my opinion in current context. However to draw any ethical arguments from it like SJWs like to do, or God forbid, policy options is a nonsense.
>>73030249
Yes I think I understand what you were getting at. I'm going to bed friend. Thank you for your feedback and participating in my thread.
>>73027857
Of course it can be proven as an idea. But so can a flat earth, Scientology, etc.
meaningless.
>>73030371
Sleep tight! I think mental gymnastics with formal logic and generally philosophy, especially epistemology are one of best ways to actually train your brain's "capableness" not the innate one like described in your argument, but rather methodology of reasoning so it's always fun.
>>73027857
I've been here for 6 months, I've read hundreds of thousands of posts, and finally, someone comes here with an argument. Thank you for setting me free.
>>73027857
Fallacy of analogy. Because there are differences in some physical traits means there can be differences in other physical traits.
Doesn't mean the conclusion incorrect, but it means the "formal logic" argument is fallacious.
Everyone who is masturbating to anon: lrn2logic.
Your logic doesn't account for the brain's plasticity. The brain can adapt to the physical differences from genetics, and from physical damage.
Evolution is the currently held theory of how different species change. Well, if we evolved physical characteristics to cope with wildly different environments, it seems logical to me that different mental capacities would be selected for as well
>>73027857
This has been pointed manyyy times through history. It's an obvious conclusion when you consider that everything is different, so why shouldn't the brain be different too?
The answer niggerlovers will give you will be like 'that's bullshit';'but only a small difference';'appearance is easier to change than non-fenotypical traits'..
>>73027857
Racism is an empirical question that doesn't have anything to do with inferiority or superiority.
The question consist of ascertaining whether or not there are statistically significant differences in some characteristics between a class A of people and another class B of people, and to then see whether or not those differences exists on account of the biology.
The differences could be in intelligence, temperament, reaction time, eye-muscle coordination, muscle mass, etc.
This is purely empirical and has nothing to do with formal logic.
>>73027857
Your definition of racism is off. You can accept people's differences without treating them differently. Racism is treating someone differently because of their race. It's obvious there are biological races, but treating any one race like shit just because they're different is wrong.
>>73033183
This is just a question of label. What OP is referring to is "scientific racism" and not something like "racial prejudice" or "racial discrimination".
>>73033183
It doesn't make sense to treat something which is different as an equal.. for instance, if abos are uncapable of finishing school because of lower intellect, they are wasting resources that could go to someone else.
>>73027857
The problem though is:
The races have different physical characteristics.
This isn't easily definable. It's a probability based spread. Some africans have some features that other african's don't have. Some african's have some white features, and some white's have some african features.
So if we take race as not a well defined 'area', but a sort of 'clustering.... then that would mean the brain's capableness is also 'clustered' like this and not formally defined by race.
If that's the case, then the mental capacity by race is also clustered. There are some blacks far smarter than the average white. There are some Asians with far larger penises than the average black guy.
Given that... We can't really make judgements on someone's mental capacities, their agression etc. Just by observing physical features. We have no idea what their particular concoction of genetics is.
Furthermore we have no idea what impact the environment they were raised in has on those genetics and their overall intelligence/aggression etc.
Anti-racism generally is the idea that we can't make sweeping statements about people after observing them display just a few phenotypes.
If we're talking about a perfectly logical society, than maybe in the long run it would be best to shoot all blacks because they are more likely to be dumb.
But in a moral world we live in, we can't make that kind of choice or distinction without losing ourselves in the process. I mean what's next? We shoot all eastern Europeans because they have lower IQ than Western Europeans?
We shoot anyone that's not Japanese or from Hong Kong because they have the best IQ?
Racism is rare because by definition is has to be irrational, yet racialism and eugenics is quite rational.
The difference is self evident and there is no need to meet in the middle with nonsense about muh environment or muh culture or muh oppression it only gives brainwashed liberals more credibility when they deny the reality and their senses.
>>73034005
There are strong ethical reasons for genocide as well as purely pragmatic ones. The end goal doesn't and shouldn't even be gattaca shit.
>>73034488
>There are strong ethical reasons for genocide
What?
>>73034488
Nice quote. Seems almost lovecraftian. (the picture that is).
While there may be logical reasons for genocide, there might be better ways to achieve it that are right around the bend.
For instance, if we are able to genetically alter children to be more clever/intelligent/focused... then what would race and intelligence even matter at that point?
>>73034005
I admit I'm not addressing the OP's core point here, just attempting to avoid genocide.
OP is right generally, Racial 'center' of intelligence is dispersed. With some races being cleverer than others.
Not sure what we can do with that information really though.
>>73032093
Nevermind. Just stormfags here.
>>73035338
>>/lit/
