Why can't you faggots understand what it means to trust in the Lord. You realize that every political problem you bitch about would be solved if you got yourself right with Christ, right?
>>73020000
CHECKED
>Jesus
>God
>>73020000
jesus is luring children?
guess thats where the priests get it from
>>73020000
Why don't you explain it to me so I'll understand then?
>>73020000
Sure. Give everything you hold dear away and god will shower you with gifts tenfold to what you gave.
Yeah. That makes a lot of sense.
>>73020153
she can't see the big teddy
>>73020000
You had thousands of years of true believers. What did you accomplish with it?
It's funny when people turned humanist is when we could actually start realizing there were indeed problems and actual advancements started to be made.
Religion has it's place. Being a cure-all on par with snake oil isn't one of them.
>>73020229
The Christian worldview is what allowed ideas like humanism to come into existence in the first place. Read a fucking book instead of pretending like fedora tipping is anything other than ill informed hot opinions.
>>73020000
You know when you consider the fact the Jews killed God for 3 days.... Why isn't everyone terrified of jews?
>>73020000
>implying a kid would prefer a larger toy over the one that holds sentimental value
Image makes Jesus look like a fucking douche.
>>73020400
>Religion cures everything!
>And then namecalling.
Can it cure your retardation?
>>73020000
>trust in the Lord
why would i trust someone who wont even show me his face? dumbass
>>73020686
You post like an actual 12 year old.
Add the sum of your quad get
thats how much we should give a shit about god
>>73020000
>Why can't you faggots understand what it means to trust in the Lord.
I trusted the Lord for 42 years. He has failed me every time.
Got a comic for that?
>>73020117
I was gonna debate you then I found sauce
>>73020887
>Posts stale memes.
>Calls others underage.
k
>>73020000
There's a car I want to sell you, but you can't see it until you own it for 90 years, now I promise you it's there. I have another customer who 'claims' to have seen it and I have the manual for it as well. You just got to trust me
>>73021006
>I trusted the Lord for 42 years.
No offence, but you're probably the oldest dude on /pol/. Any advice to us younger generation?
>>73020000
Not really.
While it is true that a country that doesn't have assholes is a tremendously hard thing to fuck up, but that is wishful thinking.
Turning to Christ does not turn you into a different person
>>73021006
>Got a comic for that?
How would you make that a comic? It doesn't sound funny.
>>73021342
>Finland
Make a post like Spurdo please
>>73021297
there was like a sixty or seventy year old dude at one point.
>>73021297
You don't have to be 42 to have been betrayed by your faith
[spoiler] god won't bring your daughter back, even if you are only 29 [spoiler]
i have enjoyed my subsequent divorce and alcohol/violence addiction
P.S. FUCK NIGGERS
>>73020000
He told me to follow my heart and my heart belongs to trump.
I will be in nirvana before, during, and after election day.
![socrates-06[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/J5c02hA.jpg "socrates-06[1].jpg")
>>73020400
>The Christian worldview is what allowed ideas like humanism to come into existence in the first place.
k den
God is real, he loves us all, but he's not benevolent.
He's an author so violent and depraved it would shame George R. R. Martin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__OAU2aCZ4M
>>73021888
>Expecting Christians to believe history books over the bible.
>>73021888
Socrates didn't invent humanism. Greek and Roman thinkers certainly contributed to it, but claiming that humanism wasn't a novelty of the enlightenment is p. stupid.
God made man as Jesus Christ elevated humanity in Western thought. One God dispelled the superstition of competing gods and metaphysics. Christian rationalism presupposed an ordered world that allowed scientific inquiry.
The importance of these ideas in Western thought really can't be overstated.
Religion is a mental illness
>>73021726
suddenly this thread is not so fun... I wonder why...
Fuck all of you christ-cucks
Pay attention to the way the real world works
>>73021297
>Any advice to us younger generation?
* Think carefully about your skills and opportunities. And then choose the most secure career path you can. Simultaneously work on a 2nd career path in case the first fails you.
* Live within your means and save, save, save.
* Don't fall for bullshit schools and degrees.
* You will never have as much energy and strength to make a change as you do today. Strength, energy, hope...they all fade with time. You don't have to be 80 to feel old. Age related changes and degradation hit much sooner. Optimize your diet, exercise, sleep, etc. now.
* Try to spend as much time as you can with the people you love. Because you will lose them. Sometimes to distance...sometimes you'll be at their funerals.
* Listen to your body and take what it tells you seriously. Don't fuck around with strange symptoms. Get to a Dr. and find out.
* Stay away from things that can really fuck you up. For some people that's alcohol or a particular drug. Maybe gambling. For some it can even be video games or porn. If you can't control it it's no good for you.
* Don't go off the rails and be degenerate, but don't be afraid of or avoid sex. Don't feel guilty for playing or experimenting a bit.
* Decide very early if you want a spouse and children. And if you do, start working on finding a good spouse. The good ones go quick.
* No idea what to tell you on God and religion. I'm a "believer" but so fucking angry about this world...I don't know where I stand with God any more. I'm just disappointed with and mad at him.
FWIW
>>73022598
A vast body of research, amassed over recent decades, shows that religious belief is physically and psychologically beneficial – to a remarkable degree.
In 2004, scholars at UCLA revealed that college students involved in religious activities are likely to have better mental health. In 2006, population researchers at the University of Texas discovered that the more often you go to church, the longer you live. In the same year researchers at Duke University in America discovered that religious people have stronger immune systems than the irreligious. They also established that churchgoers have lower blood pressure.
Meanwhile in 2009 a team of Harvard psychologists discovered that believers who checked into hospital with broken hips reported less depression, had shorter hospital stays, and could hobble further when they left hospital – as compared to their similarly crippled but heathen fellow-sufferers.
>>73022391
>the enlightenment
>a product of the church
>>73022746
>>73022598
The list goes on. In the last few years scientists have revealed that believers, compared to non-believers, have better outcomes from breast cancer, coronary disease, mental illness, Aids, and rheumatoid arthritis. Believers even get better results from IVF. Likewise, believers also report greater levels of happiness, are less likely to commit suicide, and cope with stressful events much better. Believers also have more kids.
What’s more, these benefits are visible even if you adjust for the fact that believers are less likely to smoke, drink or take drugs. And let’s not forget that religious people are nicer. They certainly give more money to charity than atheists, who are, according to the very latest survey, the meanest of all.
So which is the smart party, here? Is it the atheists, who live short, selfish, stunted little lives – often childless – before they approach hopeless death in despair, and their worthless corpses are chucked in a trench (or, if they are wrong, they go to Hell)? Or is it the believers, who live longer, happier, healthier, more generous lives, and who have more kids, and who go to their quietus with ritual dignity, expecting to be greeted by a smiling and benevolent God?
Obviously, it’s the believers who are smarter. Anyone who thinks otherwise is mentally ill.
>>73021726
>[spoiler] god won't bring your daughter back, even if you are only 29 [spoiler]
>i have enjoyed my subsequent divorce and alcohol/violence addiction
I am so sorry anon. I don't know what to say. There's nothing to say.
>>73022783
>you
>having a grasp on history at all
Just stop. Take it to reddit. No one wants to hear the view of history you gleaned from a pop philosophy book about how cool atheism is.
The bible is so out of date that it's rancid, along with every other religion. Enjoy your brain rot OP.
>>73023009
>I don't want to hear it!
Of course not. You want a hug box. That's why you project, "Reddit," onto everyone. You simply can't handle facts or opposing viewpoints.
>>73020000
Hells Yeah
>>73022987
Thank you anon, that is the right answer. I know my pathetic life means nothing in the grand scheme of things, but i present another example of no deity giving a shit:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtZKEjr-Sfg
>>73023156
Do you feel the same way about fairy tales?
>>73023196
Quote me literally one fact you posted in this thread.
>>73023341
Jet feuds melt dank Jews
>>73023682
>No, YOU post facts! I don't have to! JUST LISTEN AND BELIEVE!
Religitards are no better than SJWs.
>>73023745
Tru dat my fellow circumcised brother
>>73023755
Dumb people are everywhere
>>73023755
>he couldn't post a single fact he stated
>but claims i'm triggered by his "facts"
Here ya go bud. You've earned a tip.
>>73023920
Barmitzfa buddies?
>>73024023
>Accuses others of exactly what he's doing.
>Demands people provide citations for common knowledge.
>Resorts to SJW tactics to argue.
Well, it's a fact you're an SJW, religion-style.
>>73020117
2lewd
>>73024166
You're really desperate to save face on an anonymous forum, huh
>>73023362
Hahah. Oh what. Am watching once upon a time RIGHT NOW on Netflix whilst I have all of you in bed with me, inside my phone. Been watching for 2 hours now. Are you a wizard or something? How could you know this??
To answer your question .... Religion is a fairy tale all of its own. You'd be foolish to believe any of it.
>>73024283
That's a cute line. Did you copy-paste it from your favorite feminist twitter?
>>73020000
The small bear has sentimental value, and was given to the girl by her parents, the large bear is frivolous and wearing a red sash in support of communism. Also note how the girl is praising a living man as god, and no the almighty Father.
>>73024023
Fedoras and facts? If you think the crusades were bad read about the Zealots.
>>73021487
>How the fug do you Laestodieans always have so many kids? T.Kansaneläkelaitos
>Benis in Vagina :-DDDD
>>73020000
What if she doesn't want a bigger teddy bear, it doesn't hold the same sentimental value the one she already owns does and it's not portable so she can't bring it to school.
>>73020000
Why is all Christian media so abysmally low-brow?
This comic is ham-fistedly trying to imply that a giant bear is automatically better than the one the girl loves and cherishes, simply because it is bigger. Bigger automatically equals better.
So fucking stupid. And I know it's a metaphor, but it's a SHIT metaphor.
Christian comics/movies/films/stories are always designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator of society. Anti-intellectual to the point that it only irritates anyone with a functional brain. Like a Chick Tract.
>>73024572
>It's a shit metaphor.
No it isn't. That's exactly how the religious think it works. Just look at their churches and competing steeples.
>>73024333
The word of many men not God. You read ANons words but the bible? How does that logic work
>>73021011
sharing is garing :DDDD
>>73024283
Le hat meme
>Those who preach God need God
>Those who preach peace do not have peace
>Those who preach peace do not have love
>Beware the preachers
>Beware the knowers
Being right with Christ won't fix a man who ain't right with himself, and it won't fix a country that has fallen to victim culture and self-pity.
There's a very viable answer to fixing this country. I don't think I need to tell most people this, partially because this man's campaign is already so perfectly executed, and partially because it could start a fight where I live, but turn out and vote red in November, if you want to see the country as it was intended to be.
There has not been a more optimistic-looking president since the last hopeful's brains were used to decorate his wife's dress.
>>73020000
>mfw people base their lives off a book written by Jewish people 2,000+ years ago in the desert when the vast majority of the popular were illiterate goat herders.
seemslegit.jpg
>>73024572
>>73024333
The word of men interpreting God must be taken with a grain of salt. But the issues they addressed many of which were profound. Just need to find the cucks that cut up the ancient text and perpetrated crimes against humanity as the will of God.
Seeing is not believing, believing is seeing.
This is what atheists don't get.
They're just so caught up with facts and everything, so blind that they cannot see the good Lord just waiting there for them.
Just try for once, to believe, and i believe you would see the truth.
>>73024917
If you if you are truly right with Jesus you are an awesome human.
Part of accepting Jesus is forgiving yourself for your sins and working to better yourself. It's not willfully being a dbag and check off the Jesus box.
>>73025468
>just listen and believe
Yeah, no.
>>73025468
>LISTEN AND BELIEVE
Religion Justice Warrior detected.
>>73024917
Being being right with Jesus means you are willfully looking to better yourself by acknowledging your shortcomings or sins. Not willfully being a dbag and checking off the Jesus box.
>>73022821
>Obviously, it’s the believers who are smarter. Anyone who thinks otherwise is mentally ill.
Kek, just because their naivety has advantages doesn't make them smarter. Who can honestly believe a 2000 year old book written by Jews? I don't hate religion, Western civilisation has been built on it, but its outdated and hasn't been able to adapt.
We can see today how much stories are manipulated and constructed lies are passed off as truth, you think this didn't happen to the bible?
Most civilisations throughout history have had some sort of religion or creation story, I'm sure your one is the correct one though.
>>73025468
which God should i believe in, oh theres been so MANY that mankind has believed in
Wodan?
Khrishna?
Bahl?
The great spirit?
Allah?
That Jewish one?
FSM?
I am not telling you to go to church or be a man of God. Just find the guidance for the Golden Rule. Being a good person means understanding the shortcomings that make you weak.
>>73025091
Nope. The world revolves around money nowadays. There's no monies in religion. It's outdated beyond words.
People want to get drunk, hire strippers and eat bacon until they puke.
but there is no big teddy and there is no jesus, just someone telling you that if you dont give him the teddy he'll burn you.
>>73021006
it's called the bible
>>73024686
Just a pic of a dog shaking. Nothing obscene here, gofficer.
>>73025567
>>73025609
I am sorry but that is how it works.
I was an atheist, i was hurt deeply before, I had a choice, i chose to believe, an these few years being a christian has been the best years of my life.
Do what you want.
>>73021027
>uses meme arrows
>accuses others of stale memes
k
>>73026061
>>73026132
>Being an RJW.
>>73022821
Positive thinking and wellbeing has a similar effect as a religios person.
Atheists are cynical by nature otherwise they would be agnostic. But I tend to agree they are mentally ill.
>>73020000
JESUS WAS A SAND NIGGER ALL YOU RED PILLED FAGGOTS WORSHIP A SAND FUCKING NIGGER OMG HOW STUPID ARE YOU I MEAN YOU WORSHIP A FUCKING SHITSKIN HAHAHA IM LAUGHING OVER OMG LOLOLOL I'M DYING HAHAHAHAHHAH
>>73023196
Reddit is a jerk circle
>>73026061
>I was [part of your group] but then [thing happend/I did thing] and now I am [whatever I want to convince you to be] and it's so much better when I was [part of your group]!
Kek
>>73020000
How about no?
Religion has always been a way to control the masses and lure them of their money.
Bigger isn't always better. Think for yourself instead of falling into the deception trap.
>>73020229
>What did you accomplish with it
The modern world up until ~60 years ago ;_;
>>73026182
Radical Jam Walrus?
>>73020000
Coz last time the world did that it didn't work out too good.
Religious people with a purely secular government is the best way.
>>73026472
>Religion Justice Warrior
I have yet to hear an RJW say something that didn't sound exactly like an SJW.
>>73026456
>it was Christianity that did that!
>J-just ignore the Christian parts in Africa and South America where nothing happened!
It's all in the blood, lad.
>>73025878
Whichever makes you the best you can be. This is your one human experience, choose wisely anon
>>73025897
I hope I die and people write selfless on my headstone.
>>73026309
What is truth?
WAIIIITTTT, so now jesus is god?
God damn, christians do seem to not understand their own religion that much
>>73026456
>be christianity
>destroy knowledge by the bonfire for the majority of your history
>suddenly PROTESTANTISM
>"ah fuck, guess ill have to deal with this for a while, the book burnings can wait"
>'science/art improves'
>"and there we go, down to managable levels, now where thats flint....AH FUCK i let them advance themselves into a sort of renaissance....uh... think...uh... im... im the one who did it all...yes take the credit
>>73026061
Amen, find your peace. But there is no excuse for Atheism. If it is impossible to know God then is it not impossible to discredit him?
>>73020000
>Bigger = Better
Now we know why Americans love jesus.
>>73026309
Define worship? I bend at my knee for my own wellbeing not to appease an ideal
>>73026892
>But there is no excuse for Atheism. If it is impossible to know God then is it not impossible to discredit him?
..what?
>>73020000
What did they mean by this?
>>73020000
>rewarding people for letting themselves be victims
I'm an atheist and even I find this subversion of the bible for the liberal agenda offensive.
>>73020000
Way too many replies but I'm just going to say that doesn't anyone think it matters more that the little girl loves the teddy bear she already has?
>>73026413
Some for control, some for enlightenment but mostly do it for good will towards man.
>>73027114
its symbolic of christianity as a whole
Jesus wants her to give up her life so that he can give her a bigger better one later, yet the artist doesnt realize that some people are CONTENT with one life and dont want a bigger better one in an "afterlife".
he thinks everyone wants an afterlife
>>73027107
Christianity is a religion based on cucking yourself.
>>73026892
There is no god, there is no evidence of god and therefore god can't exist. Anyone thinking that there is a god has been deceived.
>>73026899
Also, potato chips ...
https://youtube.com/watch?v=N8P1oGF2nnA
>>73027068
How can you prove God does not exist?
>>73027290
I wonder how Joseph feels about people worshipping his wife's bull and their son.
>>73027354
What is truth?
I think it was done by someone who forgot what it's like to be a child, let alone to have a teddy bear, and who didn't give the idea much thought.
People have negative emotional responses to it and it sparks discussion of the flaws in that particular analogy. It's supposed to be a reassuring message about faith but in practice it's more likely to inspire doubt and maybe suspicion.
It would be more relevant if it were some type of upgraded electronic or even a bag of candy.
Something that people anthropomophize and become attached to is a bad choice.
>>73027433
because then you have to admit that theres equal evidence for a million other Gods, and frankly the christian God is kinda a wuss
>>73027504
I was just thinking this, I mean, Jesus got cucked by his people and the romans too. Technically God is a cuck too, he didn't even get to fuck her.
>>73027354
You can choose what ever you want to believe. But you do not have evidence to back any of your claims.
>>73027563
Do you consider leonidas a wuss
>>73027433
>How can you prove God does not exist?
How can you prove he does and that it's the one out of thousands you specifically worship?
>>73027668
What has Leonidas to do with this?
>>73027668
how does one of the Kings of Sparta come into this?
>>73027354
How does one explain the the design and Architecture of the Universe. Even if it is just a collective energy and a human experience and no deity, somehow it all happened.
>>73020117
>what is the holy trinity
>>73027833
physics, chemistry and astronomy
>>73027795
>>73027819
what makes Jesus a wuss
>>73027563
I am Agnostic but I go to an Orthodox Church where we debate the same issues of this thread. But we all bow our heads collectively and use a collective power to will good and kindness into our lives. I can provide no proof other than good will towards all my ANons.
>>73027936
Why do you ask me that? I asked you what Leonidas has to do with this.
>>73027936
he was manhandled by a bunch of Legionnaires despite being "omnipotent"
he was also beaten by Iron Chariots
i mean CMON what kinda God cant beat Chariots
I have diagnosed you with a disease called super ultra turbo AIDS.
It has zero symptoms, cannot be detected, and cannot be cured. Everyone on earth is born with this disease but they don't know it. Only myself and a select few in my organization know this truth.
It does absolutely nothing until you die, then once you are dead you will suffer infinite and unlimited torture for the rest of eternity.
BUT, there is a way to avoid this horrible fate. Just give my organization your time and your money and your obedience, and do whatever we deem to be proper behavior.
Then when you die we will give you a super secret elixir (NOT A TOPICAL OINTMENT OR OPHTHALMIC SUSPENSION LIKE THOSE FUCKING HERETICS PROCLAIM) that prevents the eternal torture of super ultra turbo AIDS. No, you can't have this elixir now; it can only be used when you die.
Do we have a deal?
>>73027701
The architecture of the Universe makes me believe there could be a creator. But I make no claims to the shortcomings of men's religious works.
>>73028073
Keep it up.
>>73027819
I am Spartan
>>73028113
>>73028131
My Very autistic point was that If jesus was a wuss because he was sacrificed on the Cross, than leonidas was a wuss, because he sacrificed himself, so that Greece could live on.
>>73028205
you forgot the part where the orginization PURPOSELY infects everyone cause their first two test subjects went berserk (adam and eve) despite saying that the sins of the father shall not be visited on the son (original sin)
>>73028231
>The architecture of the Universe makes me believe there could be a creator.
Possibly. That creator could be any deity that has a creation myth.
I think it's deists that base their stuff on that.
>>73028390
>the sins of the father shall not be visited on the son
https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/do-sons-bear-sins-fathers-or-not
>>73028275
Thanks Anon
>>73028362
But Leonidas fought against an existing enemy and died a warrior's death, something noble and very human in its nature.
That doesn't really compare.
>>73028362
>jesus was sacrificed
no according to the story, he pissed off a bunch of jews, they went around to various kings trying to get them to murder him, they said to get the fuck out they aint murdering no one, so they went to the Romans who were the rulers of the Vassalage of Judea at the time.
Romans didnt want to either and told jesus to admit that he wasnt God and he could go fre, he didnt and thus they HAD to enforce the local law
not a sacrifice but a suicide
i still dont understand your Leondias reference
>>73027850
>what is heresy
>>73028525
>https://carm.org/bible-difficulties/genesis-deuteronomy/do-sons-bear-sins-fathers-or-not
>You shall not worship them or serve them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children, on the third and the fourth generations of those who hate Me,"
so he basically admits hes shit
>>73025481
/thread
Thanks, based Christbro.
>>73028503
There is no truth in the works of men or myth. Just a bunch of people trying to make sense of it all. We all share this human experience, no time for judging our individual choices.
>>73028650
I said it was autistic. I guess you dont understand the gospel, but it was the intention for Jesus to bear the sins of the elect on the Cross, hence why he is reffered to as the sacrifical Lamb.
Sacrifice is a value we honor in our society today.
>>73020153
I knew Muslims had a bad sense of humor, but damn.
>>73028661
The Trinity is not heresy, read the Gospels and maybe you wouldnt look like such a retard :^)
>>73028942
and yet it wasnt a sacrifice cause no one but the Jews wanted to murder him.
A roman was even kind enough to stab him with a spear the end his suffering as people lasted days to weeks on the cross in agony
no i dont understand the gospel cause alot of it is lies/half truths/opinions
>>73020000
Yes goyim, worship the false messiah and send us your sheckels to preserve his homeland.
>>73028942
That rings true to me
Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that Judas suffered a fuckload more for the sake of humanity than Jesus ever did?
>>73026868
>leaf
This is why no one takes your kind seriously. The church held on to knowledge during the dark ages, you ignorant fool.
>>73029254
Jealous, the Jews are no longer Gods people
>>73029185
He was dead before he was stabbed.
>>73020000
Have you been living under a fucking rock? God is dead, OP.
>>73029340
Read John 10, and the gospel makes sense
>>73029185
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Jesus throughout his mission told the disciples he would be crucified and resurrected on the third day.
The Romans pierced his side with a spear to make sure he was dead.
Maybe you should read the source before sounding like such a fucking idiot
>>73029494
and on the third day he had risen
>>73020000
What is the bear jesus gives the girl is made in china while hers was made in the US? What if the bear the girl has hold sentimental value because her mother gave it her before she passed? And isn't it a bit greedy to want a better item when the current one is just fine?
>>73029448
wrong
people didnt DIE from being crucified, you dont die from a few nails being pounded in your feet and hands
its been documented by the romans as it was a VERY COMMON torture method used on prisoners of war, you dont torture the DEAD.
>>73029668
You die from asphyxiation when your muscles give out after a few days.
>>73020000
I have a ratty old stuffed dog in my closet from my youth. I'd slash someone's throat if they tried to make me give it away for any amount of anything.
>>73029538
>You obviously have no idea what you're talking about. Jesus throughout his mission told the disciples he would be crucified and resurrected on the third day.
thus he wanted to die, thus its a suicide
again, well documented in Roman writings that crucifixtion didnt kill it was a TORTURE METHOD
you died from dehydration/exposure and jesus wasnt up there that long
maybe you should know reality
>>73022746
>>73029737
jesus wasnt up there that long
>>73022308
>believing a book written by men about magical deities in the sky who flood the planet when they get angry and set bushes on fire to tell desert people to kill their sons
Yup, pretty much.
>>73027850
just as we are all children of god, he is all a part of us. it doesnt mean jesus is the same thing, then we would also all be god and the same person
>>73029807
He wanted to fulfill the old testament, to save humanity. To defeat death and Satan.
Look up crucifixion and realize how stupid you sound
>>73029586
hey, I've been on and off about Christianity for most of my life. Sometimes I would feel that my faith is pretty strong, and after a few years, I guess I kinda lost it and wallowed back into degeneracy. How can I get back in touch with God and what part of the Bible can you recommend me to start reading? I read all of Genesis 3 months ago, but I haven't really read anything else since.
>>73020000
Wait wasn't there a thing in the bible where some children made fun of some priest's bald head and god immediately summoned a bunch of bears to brutally maim and devour the children.
>>73029668
He did take a major beating beforehand, maybe he bleed out
>>73029882
He gave up his spirit on his own after he drank wine from the hyssop
>>73029807
he culd have bleed out
I've read that God "made us in his image", what does this mean? I've never fully understood. Does it mean he took a piece of himself and turned it into us or what?
>>73026376
T
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"I WAS DUMB BUT KNOW IM ENLIGHTENED" is the form of it
>>73029807
>you died from dehydration/exposure and jesus wasnt up there that long
this is totally false.
crucifixion kills because of asphyxiation. iirc, nailing the feet is what does it.
Jesus did not want to die. Jesus understood that dying in the way he died was part of fulfilling the many OT prophecies he was required to fulfill.
BTW, Jesus's crucifixion was phrophesized in the OT at a time when crucifixion had not yet been invented.
Finally, Jesus did actually die on the cross. A roman soldier speared his body to verify he was dead. The description of the wound and how his corpse behaved when pierced is medically consistent with a body that had died in that manner.
Please don't post any more about this until you've read "The Case For Christ", by Lee Strobel.
>>73029967
Pray, ask God to reveal himself to you
>>73021006
I did not trust in the lord for 40 years but finaly he made me succeed
>>73028907
>There is no truth in the works of men or myth.
I'd argue that there is some truth in each of it, and that we need to filter it out of the bullshit surrounding it.
>>73030115
human nature is like a bad photocopy of god's nature
>>73029961
>Look up crucifixion and realize how stupid you sound
history was my major in university, i know about crucixition
you dont DIE from it in a day
>He wanted to fulfill the old testament, to save humanity. To defeat death and Satan.
lets shorten that shall we
>He wanted to fulfill the old testament, to save humanity.
a bit more
>He wanted to fulfill the old testament
just once more
>He wanted
and there we go, he "wanted"
look up "self fulfilling prophesy ", if i made a prophesy that i would get killed by ISIS and go to Mosul Syria whilst shooting a gun into the air, i am not a "sacrificial lamb", im a suicidal nut that wanted to die, aka suicide and my own prophesy came true cause i WILLED IT TOO
same as jesus
heres how jesus couldve gotten out
>Romans: cmon jesus, either do a miracle or admit you arent God
>Jesus: SHABAM! that guard over there doesnt have that life sucking cancer on his face anymore!
>Romans: k, you can go now
or
>Romans: cmon jesus, either do a miracle or admit you arent God
>Jesus:k, im not
>Romans: your free then, get out of our prison
>>73029907
The flood story is a metaphor.
>the water represents Gods judgement
>Noah and senpai, represents the elect
>and the ark represents Jesus christ who saves them from Gods righteous judgement
>>73022598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DakEcY7Z5GU
god heals you from mental illnes faggot explain video related, a healed psychopath
>>73030607
I like the one in the Gilgamesh epos better.
>>73030508
go read harry potter you faggot, fullfilling a prophcy makes it true
>>73029980
Hah holy shit yes there was. I bothered to look it up since the christians in this thread never answered.
2 Kings:2:23-24
(2:23) "As he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head."
(2:24) "And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."
Man this bible shit is pretty fucking metal. Maybe I'll give it a read through and see what its about.
42 fucking kids butchered by some bears summoned by a prophet of god. Man this god fellow is fucking brutal.
>>73030747
Good for you, enjoy the rest of your life, i hope its a long one
>>73030132
>nail in the feet causes asphixiation
i dont know where to start with this one
it takes days for all the muscles in the body to give out and you to die from asphixiation
i dont give a fuck what you have to say on the matter, cause it was a common roman method of extracting information from their version of "POWS"
if everyone started to die from not being able to breathe they wouldnt use it cause guess what? NO ENEMY COMBATANT INFORMATION could be given by a soon to be CORPSE
>Just trust me ya dumb fucks
-Jesus Zuckerberg
>>73030889
He could have bleed out from the beating before hand.
>>73030862
>babby's first confrontation with the reality that his magic book isn't unique results in anger
Kek
>>73030508
You don't understand the significance of that event do you? He had to die, so that he could rise again. That's the whole point. The sacrifice of Christ is the ultimate sacrifice, the path to salvation.
>>73031009
Amen
>>73031037
its not what you do, its what God reveals to you
>>73030968
i totally agree, but the other guy thinks that cruicifying someone auto kills you and im arguing with him about that aspect
jesus may well have died ON the cross, but it wasnt the CROSS that killed him
>>73031009
>You don't understand the significance of that event do you?
It's a clusterfuck no matter how you look at it.
>>73031037
It's not that simple. God created the world to be completely true, based on the laws of physics, very rarely using his power to alter the course of history. As a result, evil exists, which causes the fall of the world and everything else.
>>73030810
>Man this bible shit is pretty fucking metal
the most metal lyrics in the bible are Deut 32, starting at verse 19...until the passage ends at around 43...
check a few different translations... my favorite line was about making his arrows drunk with the blood of his enemies...
\m/
>>73030994
I hope the truth is revealed to you
>>73031037
Since when love = letting you do whatever?
Do you have a kid? Does loving him means he goes unpunished if he fucks up?
What is the punishment for? Your own sadism or for him to learn sth that will help him?
>>73031149
So Hell is God's version of the naughty corner? What a savage bastard.
>inb4 the Devil owns Hell
>>73031237
The devil is god in his favourite disguise
>>73031175
It really isn't. It requires a lot of study, but that's true of just about anything worth knowing.
>>73031237
its your nature, you cannot be with God if you are not cleansed by the holy spirit.
>>73031216
And The Truth™ is conveniently the exact same thing you believe is The Truth™, could that be?
>>73031452
What do you define as truth?
>>73031316
>It requires a lot of study
Is that like that "education" thing leftists go on about that usually just means "indoctrination into the thing I'm trying to convince you of"?
>>73029967
You can always return to Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John, brother. If you're looking to renew your faith and your study of the Bible, I can think of no better place to begin.
>>73030889
Asphyxiation != suffocation. Asphyxiation is the buildup of CO2 in your system, not a lack of air. I don't know if Crucifixion actually causes it or not, but it's an important distinction.
>>73031316
So why did Jesus have to die?
>>73031233
Oh yes, god loves me, but if I don't love him back he'll sentence me to eternity in blistering agony in a lake of fire being sodomized constantly by satan and his demons.
Do you realize how retarded you sound? Do you know what false equivalence is? You wouldn't discipline your child by torturing him for the rest of his life you dolt.
>>73031452
The truth is the truth. It cannot be altered or tampered with, because it is true. The truth is a man died for you, and was raised from the dead on the third day. This is testified by thousands including Roman soldiers and even jewish Pharisees who hated him. That is the truth.
>>73031540
Are you a relativist or something?
>>73031337
What's the point of a torture filled afterlife then? Hell was supposed to be for Satan and his angels, only they could enter Hell. God obviously allowed human souls to enter Hell because the Devil does not have that power.
There are so many holes in the idea of a skydaddy. :/
>>73031568
>You wouldn't discipline your child by torturing him for the rest of his life you dolt.
>implying that /pol/ doesn't support permanently cutting off daughters who burn the coal or sons who become furries...
>>73031634
No i believe in objective truth, but im asking what your definition of truth is?
>>73031547
If you think education in any form is leftist shit, you are truly lost.
I'm not trying to indoctrinate you. Im saying you have no place speaking on things you have no knowledge of.
>>73027850
kek
>>73031628
>This is testified by thousands including Roman soldiers and even jewish Pharisees who hated him.
citation
>>73024572
That's capitalist christianity.
>>73031628
>The truth is a man died for you, and was raised from the dead on the third day. This is testified by thousands including Roman soldiers and even jewish Pharisees who hated him. That is the truth.
And if I'm going to ask you for some sources you'll be able to provide them?
Bonus question: If a different Truth™ fulfills similiar criteria, but that Truth™ contradicts yours, how do we decide which one is The true Truth™ then?
>>73027354
if god exist why would there be proof for him to exist? when you read his manual its all about faith! . but you just have faith in what mr dawkins tell you
>>73031685
I dont know, but i want you to have a chance at being with God, but i understand if your not interested.
>>73031568
You have so much autism its incredible, did you ever had a literature class, can't you understand basic analogies written literally for analphabet peasents of more than a thousands years ago?
God is the natural law, if you go against the law you suffer, its that easy
>>73031566
He had to die as a perfect sacrifice for the sins of mankind. Being sinful beings, Christ was nailed to the cross, along with our sin. He had to die, so he could be raised from the dead and prove he has all authority from God.
>>73020000
>over 2 billion people give themselves to Christ
>1.6 billion muslims are still a thing
>implying muslims are not a political problem
>>73031732
>but im asking what your definition of truth is?
The dictionary one. No need to get fancy on semantics.
>>73031750
>missing the point this much
>>73031915
So why did god require a sacrifice?
>>73031915
>Being sinful beings, Christ was nailed to the cross,
by his own will, most people didnt want him killed
for a "sinful" lot, alot of people sure were compassionate back then, even the Romans who were in a foreign (vassal)land
>>73031976
Give me your definition, if its from a dictionary, then present it
>>73031915
He died so you could sin some more for another 2000+ years.
>>73031853
show it, stop arguing with hypotheticals
>>73032058
See pic.
>>73032297
>show it, stop arguing with hypotheticals
Show what?
>>73032030
there was a debt
that was the payment
>>73029341
why he hanged him self why is that suffering
>>73032398
Which one?
>>73031237
Hell is only somewhat vaguely described in the Bible, and is mostly alluded to through blatantly metaphorical language. Regardless of its real meaning and "physical" nature, the function of hell is to indicate that there is literal justice enforced by God. That evil does not go unpunished, and that God is in fact good and just. Ultimately, evil will not overcome good, and those who do good and resist evil will be vindicated by their Creator.
Anyone who thinks there is such a thing as evil in the world should hope there is justice. And in the Bible, this justice is described using language associated with the ideas of heaven and hell. Hell is not an unfair burdensome punishment, it is deserved by those who will experience it and in fact necessary for justice to prevail. Fedora-teir philosophy about an "unfair god punishing me for having free will" is a very childish view of the issue, and misunderstands the concepts of good, evil, and justice.
>>73032501
Have you ever been crucified?
>>73032406
wat
>>73020117
>Pedophile denying the divinity of Christ.
Found the muslim.
>>73032502
Any three depending the context. Why are you arguing semantics, lad?
>>73032546
Familiar with CS lewis?
>>73032030
Think of it this way:
Your dad has a Lamborghini. You are a spoiled little shit and you take it out and wreck it. Does your dad kill you? No. He makes your spoiled little shit self go out and get a job and pay for the insurance deductible. If you don't, then he kicks you out of the house and let's you fend for yourself.
>>73020000
Why does Jesus exploit our weakness for possession?
>>73032501
He carried the burden of infamy forever and ever.
>>73032751
Its a sinful nature though, not one mistake, only Jesus can cleanse you of your sins
>>73032546
Hell is for absolutely everyone who sins, right? So if my 6 year old son cheated on a test and died the next day he would have to go through an eternity of torment. God's idea of justice is absolutely flawed if this is true, and if it takes his own creations to tell him that then I'd rather Tony Abbott be omnipotent.
>>73031452
>>73031540
>>73031634
>>73031732
>>73032058
>>73032398
>>73032502
You know this is an age old question, right?
John 18:37-38
37 “You are a king, then!” said Pilate.
Jesus answered, “You say that I am a king. In fact, the reason I was born and came into the world is to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me.”
38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate. With this he went out again to the Jews gathered there and said, “I find no basis for a charge against him.
>>73032692
How can you know anything to be true?
>>73032921
One mistake is all it takes.
>>73032751
Or how about you can not be metaphorical and actually say why God required a sacrifice. When it comes to religious metaphors to explain a concept they're almost always misinterpreted or lacking crucial information which leaves the receiving party missing the point.
It was a pretty specific question anyways so I don't even know why you used a metaphor.
>>73033051
No i dont think you understand, its the nature not the sin in itself, would you let a dangerous psycho path run wild in a city if you know he will kill some one, or would you lock him away?
>>73032995
It's not quite that simple. We aren't sure how exactly the mechanism of salvation works. Christ has the authority to preach to spirits of the dead.
>>73020000
Checked
>>73033004
>38 “What is truth?” retorted Pilate.
One has to notice how Jesus couldn't answer his question, just like Jesus' followers can't.
>>73033038
>[sophistry intensifies]
Can we get back to topic, yes?
>>73033217
You would lock him away, but that's from a human perspective. I'm not following what you're saying.
