What is Fascism? Can any one explain this to me succinctly?
The politics of truth.
>>73011009
Love for the party love for the nation
Love for the fix for the fabrication
Love for the corpse for the corporation
Love for the death and for the defecation
Romance and assassination
Give me the love of genocide
Give me love
>>73011009
>What is Fascism?
Whatever lefties need it to bad at any given moment.
"Fascism a system of government which applies military priorities to the whole of society."
The OG fascist state is ancient Sparta.
In a fascist society, all policies are a means to a martial end.
The focus of the economy is on food production, housing, transportation, and then the explicitly martial production of tanks, guns, bullets, etc. The economy is partially planned out to maximize those priorities. It is socialistic in that the state largely directs the means of production towards military ends.
Social policy similarly is designed to meet military ends. Purging subversive ideas/people, financial assistance to incentivize large families (more soldiers), propaganda to reinforce group solidarity and demonize the enemy, youth camps...
>>73011009
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBbyU_1xz3Y
>>73011009
>What is Fascism?
Short answer is cuckoldry/sadomasochism.
Basically when there's socialist agitation then aristocracy/middle class/church support a fascist government to throw few crumbs at poor fags and eradicate the socialist threat.
Then the fascist party structure get cast off by their main supporters because either their eliminated all socialists and such damage controll policies are no longer necessaries and in the the way of profits or they got a better deal elsewhere by liberal oriented structures who may or may be not foreigners with foreigner army following them.
fascists/ cold war socialdemocrats=cucks
>>73011009
A capitalistic totalitarian regime with a large focus on nationalism and unity.
>>73011009
>What is Fascism? Can any one explain this to me succinctly?
Anything liberals don't like
>>73011009
its pretty much like islam without stonage.
Fascism is an ideology which wishes to overthrow systems of government that are not totalitarian dictatorships, Think of Hobbes' Leviathan, and thats the basic idea. They also historically have really hated Jews and Communists, but whatever.
>>73011786
Shit. This dude took down haunebu 2. Saved for RARE
>>73012322
I assume it's either shooped or the crew painted it on for a laugh. I'm really impressed at how much of everything else they blew up tho.
A dead ideology.
Hitler wasn't even text book fascim by definition, he revived it by transforming it to be more concerned with social issues.
Facism is simple militarization of a country with national pride.
Historically fascism was less of a governmental approach and more of a populist getting into power and people supporting him. It would be considered underclass if anything. Even the fasces is a simple hammer and bundle of sticks to show/imply where facism started, the working class.
Facism is stupid anyways. If you think you are cool for supporting go suck a dick.
>>73011009
It's when you have three kids and they take the decisions for being the majority, and then your wife brainwashes them into giving her full power under the pretence that she knows the best for them. She uses all finances to buy her shoes.
Then you get tired of their bullshit and take the decisions by force.
It's when government controls corporations.
Donald Trump.
>>73012764
>Even the fasces is a simple hammer and bundle of sticks to show/imply where facism started, the working class.
I seriously hope you are trolling and not this retarded.
>>73012119
Some of the other definition's are more accurate, but none are more humorous! xD
Justin DOOD-WEED Trudeau
>>73012887
Italy knows best
>>73013128
Not an argument.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fasces
>>73011059
My Girlfriend's Father looks almost exactly like him.
Is this a good or bad thing?
>>73013285
>Fasces (/ˈfæsiːz/, (Italian: Fasci, Latin pronunciation: [ˈfa.skeːs], a plurale tantum, from the Latin word fascis, meaning "bundle")[1] is a bound bundle of wooden rods, sometimes including an axe with its blade emerging. The fasces had its origin in the Etruscan civilization, and was passed on to ancient Rome, where it symbolized a magistrate's power and jurisdiction. The image has survived in the modern world as a representation of magisterial or collective power.
>hammer
>working class origins
>my girlfriend's father
Just read the Doctrine of Fascism. It's short and understandable. Order it from Amazon. Quick read.
http://www.amazon.com/Origins-Doctrine-Fascism-Selections-Other/dp/0765805774/ref=sr_1_8?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1462412226&sr=1-8&keywords=doctrine+of+fascism
>>73011009
Fascism is "Fuck your feelings, this is for the greater good"
Like taking all the people with HIV in the world and putting them on a small island and nuking the island so the world will never have to deal with HIV again. Yes it is inhumane but ultimately it will be for the better of humanity as a whole.
Government enforced eugenics is Fascism because yeah if you kill/sterilize short, dumb, sickly, ugly people you'll get taller, smarter, healthier, beautiful people. "Muh feelings!" but you can't deny humanity would better off.
>>73013381
Mosley was pretty cool. Weve got a forced meme lately about his appearance.
>>73012764
Fascism was never about people support per se.
>>73013484
>axe
>hammer
this really your argument? get the fuck out.
The bundle of sticks is the working class.
>The symbolism of the fasces suggested strength through unity (see Unity makes strength); a single rod is easily broken, while the bundle is very difficult to break.
>>73013181
>>73012764
Your post is a confirmation of
>American """""""education""""""""
meme.
>>73013601
>taller
>healthier
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071721/
I got news for you
>inb4 manlet
>>73014414
well then you breed the few people who are both tall AND healthy.
Duh
It's eugenics dude. There will always be a statistical outlier that you'll want to make more of.
>>73014311
>Polack """"""argument"""""
>>73013718
BEADY
>>73014547
As you wish.
What were the social issues you were talking about when it comes to Hitler?
If fascism was just about militarization (well, it wasn't) then why did Italy not become a military superpower?
Also read more about the fasces because it originates in the Roman Republic, not from some socialist mumbo-jumbo.
Read up on Paul Gottfried.
The political redpill
>>73014547
Holy shit I just realized you think that Fascism comes from the working class.
Read up on any Mussolini's biography.
>>73012945
I'm surprised nobody else mentioned one of the obvious facets of the ideology.
OP should just look it up and you'll understand the concept since it's not difficult. You have a bunch of children in this thread with wet-dreams regarding fascism and I doubt they even grasp it or the implications.
>>73015029
>What were the social issues you were talking about when it comes to Hitler?
Focusing on killing gays, giving a shit about women rights all that shit.
>If fascism was just about militarization (well, it wasn't) then why did Italy not become a military superpower?
Italy hasn't been a military power since Rome. Logistically speaking, a literal mess. If you are talking about ww1/ww2 italy. It did not matter how many people they threw front line. If you don't invest in military technology, you will fail.
>Also read more about the fasces because it originates in the Roman Republic, not from some socialist mumbo-jumbo.
Never said it came from "socialist mumbo-jumbo". It is roman.
>>73015556
>Mussolini
Please anon, mussolini did not invent fascism.
>>73015662
I agree with the second and third parts in regards to your post. Although, it's not like Marxism is all for parasitic fetishes or homosexuality so I don't understand how you can actually associate those social ills with Fascism just because those were something the Reich fought against. It isn't like Stalin enjoyed homosexuals (excluding his cabinet for blackmail).
>>73011009
When the authoritative control is so strong that they completely silence and destroy any opposition. You aren't allowed to question things.
>>73016088
I'm saying for either way (for our against).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_Nazi_Germany#Beginning_of_the_Nazi_regime
>in reality, the granting of so-called equal rights to women, as demanded by Marxism, does not confer equal rights at all, but constitutes the deprivation of rights, since they draw women into a zone where they can only be inferior. It places women in situations where they cannot strengthen their position with regard to men and with society – but it only weakens them.
Why is hitler addressing this? Let social issues fly who cares. Raise an army and take over it fascism, not being for/against some social idea.
military junta mixed with futurism mixed with Nietzsche
>>73014932
ANGLO
its not right wing enough desu
>>73015833
Yeah, Gentile did.
>mfw the guy who invented fascism literally had a last name that meant "Not Jewish"
>>73013920
So fascists are a bundle of faggots?
A very authoritarian system of government with heavy nationalist and militaristic focus. Doesn't necessarily have to be a dictatorship, but always is.
>>73017265
essentially
>>73017045
>that ID
Kek
>>73011009
"Facism" as a buzzword colloquially means tyranny and authoritarianism to people. It's a word that people throw out a lot in that sense without really knowing what it means.
As a political philosophy, it implies a marriage between a strong authoritative government, an industrial economy, and a nationalistic popular sentiment. Imagine if Obama nationalized GM (which he almost did), and converted the US to a one-party state with even broader surveillance and police state powers, and pushed the supremacy of the American people and every individual's obligation to make the state stronger, that would be American fascism in my view.
Fascism and faggot have the same root; a bundle of branches lashed together. Fascism is all about wielding the state and the people and the economy to one end, by force.
Corporatist economics (sometimes called national syndicalism)
Idea of a national rebirth - fascism is revolutionary, not reactionary
Militarism
Glorification of masculinity and femininity
A mass movement, but with an authoritarian leader and rigid hierarchy
Capitalism and communism both rejected - finance serves the state
>>73011009
everyone working towards the same goal. Its the end of history but for real this time.
>>73016850
Appreciate the response.
>>73019068
Brief but thorough overview. Thx bong :^)
>>73011009
Must have a doctrine of New Man.
>>73018050
This. Like exactly.
>>73017028
Best description.
>>73011009
to compare; socialism is the nation's responsilbility to the individual and fascism is the individuals responsibility to the nation
>>73019804
>Appreciate the response.
I-i don't know what to say anon. you must be a newfag, we do not talk like that here.
>>73016333
so then brutal communist regimes, brutal medieval kingdoms and Muslim theocracies are all fascist?
>>73011009
Nationalism/ethnocentrism, discipline, collectivism.
>>73020382
I'm in a good mood. MAGA
Fascism is a political system which advocates strong national unity under a single leader. The unity part is better in what Europe used to be because of an overwhelming native ethnic majority. Fascism can be National Socialist, but doesnt need to be.
>>73011009
From Norman Lowe:
-Extreme nationalism
-Totalitarian gob. system
-Monopartisan state, special hate towards communism
-Autarky
-Militar force and violence as a way to solve shit
>>73013920
>The bundle of sticks is the working class.
How about you read your own fucking wikipedia article, you faggot?
The Fasces is a Roman lictoral symbol.
>axe >hammer
Yeah, a weapon and a tool, basically the same thing.
>>73017124
Evola pls..
Corporatism, Totalitarianism, Nationalism. Basically it's the only good ideology.
>>73018050
>tfw they had to ruin this joke and put up a dictionary definition on screen because someone didn't know the alt definition and got triggered
>>73011009
Fascism is an ideology that emphasizes the exaltation of the nation above all else. Fascism arose in the early 20th century out of the belief that democracy was weak and prone to corruption, that capitalism was unfair to the people, and that communism hurt businesses and doesn't care about nations.
Because the ideology allows for no criticism or opposition to the state, fascist governments are hostile to unrestricted individual rights and anything foreign to the nation, including alien religions and ethnicities. Fascism is also marked by corporatism, a relationship between the government and business representatives.
Generally, fascist governments pursue these:
A protectionist trade policy.
A state capitalist economic policy.
A moralistic religious policy whereby church and state are a single policy and religious minorities face descrimination.
A citizenship policy of residency whereby ethnic minorities face descriminatino in terms of things like voting or property rights.
A highly jingoistic foreign/war policy. The military is the centerpiece of the state and military spending is prioritized.
>>73024144
t. /gsg/ pro
>>73024144
>Fascism is an ideology that emphasizes the exaltation of the nation above all else.
that's not really true. it's just what a fascist government policy is. why shouldn't a government put its nation first
>>73024675
There are literally dozens of examples of governments on this Earth right now that don't put their nation first.
There's a good article about it by Terry Eagleton.
Fascism as a political ideology only occurs under certain conditions. Generally, it arises from a perceived failing of liberalism, both in economic and social terms. Fascists will rise to power when the masses view the wealthy as useless and idle, but also the society as corrupt and tainted with degeneracy, destroying the social values. Fascism often romanticizes a tie between a ethnic group and the nation they live in (Volk theory in Germany, first arose in late 18th century), all though not always immediately.
These conditions combined with a lack of viable alternatives in terms of left-wing thinking (Think Germany after WWII, Communists are viewed as "back-stabbers" and social democrat Weimar Republic is seen as incompetent) leads to an immediate growth of need for revolt. But unlike socialist revolts, the fascist revolution occurs from the middle class, not the working class. The middle class has the right combination of disdain for the ruling power combined a streak of elitist meritocratic notions and disdain for the poor. As a result, they are the perfect starting point for any fascist uprising.
Put quite simply, Fasicism is: Government telling private corperatations what to produce.
Corporatism (what we have in america) is telling the Gov't what to do.
>>73011009
Fasciscm 101 Course by IronMarch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s2b19Nxxp6Y
>>73025985
>disdain for the poor
What
Fascism is:
> The Marxist Authoritarian Socialist State installed by means of the ballot box, instead of an armed proletarian revolution.
end of story.
Communists hate fascist because "no armed revolution! That's not real communism! Heretic! Smash Everything!"
Fascists hate commies because, See Above.
BOTH hate capitalism, capitalists, anyone who doesnt want to smash everything and replace it with Marx's silly notions, and anyone who refuses to submit to their violent tactics.
Fascists and Communists both seek:
> suppression of all dissent
> suppression of all non-approved labour unions
> suppression of all other political parties
> installation of permanent upper class of Party Faithful
> mandatory reverence for The State, The Party, and of The Party's elite members
> unswerving loyalty to The State, The Party and the glorious ideals of ________ism
> The Hereditary Apparatchik Class is totally different from Feudal Aristocracy! somehow...
TL;DR: Fascism is just Marxism by other means.
>>73011786
>capitalistic
the socialism in national socialism isn't there so that republicans can namecall democrats on their fiscal policies
>>73026728
I don't quite think he got disdain for poor correct (open to correction); I'd imagine it's more like disdain for decadence, and it might look like disdain for a poor person who is perceived to have fallen on hard times due to bad morality, eg alcoholism, gambling, being a faggot, etc.
>>73028105
>being this retarded
Holy fuck. Fascists are mainly about nationalism and strength in numbers of their own kind. Marxism aims to destroy nearly all that fascists hold dear: tradition, religion, and culture.
>>73028105
Fascism retains the capitalist system though, it just tries to make it more merit based
The only problem mussolini had with communism is that it completely took merit out of the equation
>>73011009
Doing things the right way but by force.
>>73024144
>A moralistic religious policy whereby church and state are a single policy and religious minorities face descrimination.
Which is untrue, take the Ustashe regime, the Croats deemed both Bosniak Muslims and Croat Catholics to be acceptable. Germany held no favoritism toward either Protestantism or Catholicism, and while Mussolini sought the Vatican's blessing he did not make Catholicism a requirement.
>A protectionist trade policy.
Also historically inaccurate considering Germany and Romania's and Germany and Hungary's relationships.
>A highly jingoistic foreign/war policy. The military is the centerpiece of the state and military spending is prioritized.
What would have happened had Germany won the war? Jingoism is always a convenient accusation toward nations which pursue their interests in warfare when diplomacy fails.
Hasn't this worked in positive ways at times? Would you consider the Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius a fascist by this definition? His rule was considered one of the most prosperous times in Roman history but although he had a strong military ready, he never had to use it in a violent way.
>>73011572
Don't forget that fascism also rewards people for their effort. It's socialism with meritocracy and all quoted anon said. Sometimes it doesn't has to be that focused on military, see for example fascist Italy, was completely not ready for a war when WW2 started.
>>73012764
A FUCKING FAG
>>73011009
like monarchy with a more qualified leader
>>73029180
> fascism isnt about Marxism...
Riiight.
so mussolini wasnt Edotir Inb Cheif of Avante!, europe's largest circulation marxist newspaper for more than a decade?
Mussolini wasnt a delegate to the first and second cominterns?
Mussolini didnt embrace every single part of The Authroitarian Socialist State and established in Das kapital?
Marxism STOPS destroying shit once the revolution reaches stage 3, then it becomes an authoritarian despotic nation state, then SOMEHOW, by a mechanism Marx never explains, that Authoritarian Nation State "evolves" magically into "communism" all by itself
Fascism IS Marxism, just a slightly different flavour of Marxism that will sell to the Proles in Italy Germany and Spain.
>>73029468
>B-b-b-but, fascism retains capitalism!!
how is it capitalism when the market, the "means of production" and everything down to the level of the small family farm is strictly controlled by The State and The Party?
> Merit Based
i guess in your world Merit Equals Fealty to The Party
> the only problem mussolini had with marxism was...
that classic revolutionary marxism simply was not selling to the Italian Proletariat
the Italian Proles didnt feel sufficiently aggrieved as to Hurl their Bodies At The Barricades <tm>, so mussolini repackaged marxism in a more Italy-freindly box.
Mao did the same thing with his "Agrarian Vanguard" marxism, the Zappatistas use a mix of Maoism and Trotskyism, NoKo's "Juche" is pretty much just Bolshevism + a Death Cult, Castro has followed Leninism right down the toilet while scandinavia is marching slowly through the Neo-Fascism of "Third Way Socialism" without the nationalism and respect for tradition that is Fascism's only saving grace.
seriously dont you faggots even read Marx, Trotsky, Mussolini or Proudhon?
>>73031478
>how is it capitalism when the market, the "means of production" and everything down to the level of the small family farm is strictly controlled by The State and The Party?
It simply isn't. In fascism the state only intervenes if a cooperation proofs ineffective or is exploitive of the population.
>>73011009
It's what happens when people mess up their lives so bad they lose the right to think for themselves and have to get someone else to do it for them.
Holding the nation above the individual. Thats it.
>>73012669
It means they killed something, but they dont know what
>>73029756
I didn't say that all fascist nations fit that mold, and often time the nation itself was the church to be worshipped, as was the case in Nazi Germany and fascist Italy. Once again, the nation and church are not distinct bodies in fascism, be it in the incorporation of an existing religious organization (Franco) or the worship of the nation (Hitler).
>>73011009
It's communism but with nationalism
>>73032181
>It's communism but with nationalism
So Stalin was a fascist? Think twice.
>>73031931
This is somewhat of a misnomer- the individual makes the nation and therefore is valuable as the nation. What is Germany but Germans on German soil?
>>73032099
>church to be worshipped
More or less that faith and culture was preserved
>incorporated
No, the Vatican and Lutheran/Protestant churches still operated separately albeit under state law.
>>73032360
>Hitler and Stalin
>any different
You should know
>>73031786
> Fascism only interferes if they dont like what people do with their own shit...
so very much unlike marxism that i am stunned.
STUNNED i say!
Fascism allows the individual or a group of individuals (that would be a "corporation" for those like you, too stupid to understand) to retain NOMINAL (that means in name only) ownership, while placing functional control over the enterprise in the hands of a faithful member of The Party.
Fascism is only marginally less destructive than classic revolutionary marxism, and that's not a good thing.
try reading a book some time,m then you wont sound do utterly inferior when arguing with a real Ubermensch
nigga, look at my ID.
+kBrOLii
thats right faggot, BROLII!
my power level is maximum
BRB, gotta destroy japan for the 5th time this week.
you dont want to step to this
>>73011009
Right wing nationalism
>>73011009
>What is Fascism? Can any one explain this to me succinctly?
Radical authoritarian consequentialism.
>>73015833
>>73017183
>Implying it wasn't Machiavelli
>>73011009
>What is Fascism? Can any one explain this to me succinctly?
A shitty ideology in which a bunch of cucks beg to be enslaved by their own government
>>73011009
Fascism is anything that isn't communism :^)
There is almost no clear definition of it this point. Fascism has been used to define nearly anything from something you agree with to something you may disagree with. People are calling Bernie supporters fascist for what they did in Costa Mesa. As of now there is no pure unadulterated "Fascist sate".
>>73032431
They operated under the law of the state as you admitted. That is what I mean.
>>73011009
Kike ploy to ban ethnonationalism for everyone but gods chosen
>>73033501
>You forget Communists, socialists and some sects of American ideologists
>>73033762
> fascism is a special snowflake "Mayonnaise is a gender" pink unicorn
>mussolini disagrees.
http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
Fascism is the Marxian Authoritarian Socialist State, redesigned for implementation in Italy, where tradition history and culture mattered to the Proletariat.
suggesting to an italian that they should make like the russian bolsheviks and burn their civilization to the ground was simply retarded
Mussolini re-packaged marxism's core tenets with a tradition friendly, catholic-centric italian flavour
kinda like how Foccacia was re-designed to suit american tastes while retaining a distinctly italian flair, becoming "pizza"
it's still essentially a foccacia, but it is much more popular.
likeise, fascism is still marxism, with tomato sauce cheese and italian herbs and spices.
>>73034448
That is sorta what I am getting at too as well, Bernbots and other leftists don't want to acknowledge that their own ideology shares roots and tenants with Fascism. So instead they call anyone who isn't one of them a Fascist. Some of the people/groups they call fascist are some of the most non-fascist belief holding people, such as small government and non interventionist.
>>73019068
First actual response right here.
>>73011218
Fellow fascist and SoM fan reporting in
spbp
>>73011572
I thought Sparta was an Oligarchic/Aristocratic state? It had a King correct?
>>73031786
But the state defines what ineffective and exploitative is. Private enterprise may exist and profit, provided it serves the national good.
What is the Nation needs higher dairy production? Immediately farmers lose their autonomy and need to produce what the government demands. That is not capitalism.
>>73038065
I don't see how fascism and oligarchy are mutually exclusive
>>73038206
> fascism and oligarchy are not mutually exclusive
of course they are compatible.
all marxism relies on The Authoritarian State to maintain power and exploit their proles.
it's marxism's defining characteristic
the utopian communist worker's paradise is a pleasant fiction used to sucker the proles and deliver them into bondage.
only the new aristocracy of "The Party" enjoy benefits from Marxism, Fascism or their identical cousin, Feudal Monarchy.
read Das Kapital and marx will explain it all in detail, right up to the part where the magical, inexplicable "evolution" to communism is supposed to occur, which is where marxism falls off the rails
Marx describes a Despotic Feudal Monarchy, with less "Noblesse Oblige and Divine Right to Rule" and more "We Are Oppressing You For Your Own Good"
Marx's utopian communist worker's paradise is just an updated "Paradise For the Dearly Departed"
>>73032758
i am new to pol and fascism sounds like communism to me
libertarianism with free market is best
>>73039630
Communism: a harmless utopian daydream wherein everyone shares everything in a global Smurf Village of peace love and understanding
Socialism: a system under which The State manages the economy, and to various degrees, the personal lives of everyone in The State's borders under the guidance of a single ruling party and a single monolithic ideology based on nationalism and Marx's Authoritarian Socialist State
dont get the two twisted.
The Authoritarian Socialist State was devised by marx as an intermediate stage between proletarian revolution and the (entirely unexplained) mystical transformation of the despotic Dictatorship of the Proletariat into the magical candyland of communism where everyone shares and shares alike, and everybody gets a hot chick and a puppy.
the utopia of communism is what we call Bait.
Socialism is the rusty barbed iron hook concealed within that tempting wriggling delicious earthworm.
swim on by, and dont be fooled by the narrative Marxists employ to conceal their perfidy by spinning enchanting tales about their imaginary promised land
