Discuss politics and economics of the future party.
Help us change the current platforms if you live in the current countries.
>American Platform
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gKrtdKGuW9JH1kgpBkDLF9NdaEaBRF5xLjdygRwuoe8
>Canadian Platform
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bdaJPJd5wv2hGur7y2cKMPyx5IY-if-L2eKzTMLDwOE
Currently writing a Google Doc for policy ideas. Will get back to this thread when its finished.
i'm impressed by how far this has come
>>72997446
bump
>>72997822
Thanks :^)
Any suggestions that you can make to change the platforms?
Feel free to join the Google Group to be informed on ideals and policies, we could use all the members we can get.
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Platform that I have been working on a little bit. Added some new stuff and removed some other.
Selfless Bump
>>72998188
It's a little scattered right now but I will reorganize it latter.
Feels good to be here again.
>>72998314
Seems pretty good, this thread is starting off a little slow this time, where is everyone?
>>72998346
>>72998188
>Transparency in government spending to include documenting dollar by dollar what the money in scholarships, grants, contracts, and expenses actually pay for as well as making this information easy to access.
Wouldn't this be disadvantageous to intelligence agencies?
Alright, so we've got to work out our drug and alcohol laws. Personally, I think hardcore drugs should be banned or heavily monitered and regulated, and lighter drugs should be sold with the same restrictions as alcohol, but the drugs have to be government regulated. You can't sell it after buying it. Kind of like pills. Alcohol should be how it is in the USA right now.
The guy who suggested the name and color scheme here, if needed I could assist in creating a new American platform. Although obviously it will be very heavily biased based on my own understandings and how to best appeal to what the party caters and stands for.
>>72998501
there would be exceptions, I believe the idea is mostly to help cut back on the unparalleled waste (of both time and money) that comes from the gov't
>>72997446
what is this
>>72998667
I would say we edit and improve HoneyCombs version and the other guy who posted here.
>>72998770
A political group.
Alright so we've got to work out our drug and alcohol laws. I think hardcore drugs should be either banned with heavy penalties, or heavily regulated. Lighter drugs could be sold with the same restrictions of alcohol, but it would have to be prescribed to you. Kind of like pills. Alcohol laws should be the same as the USA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MHOC/comments/41tznv/join_a_party/
Is the Nationalist Party on this the sort of thing we're aiming for?
>>72998770
the future of politics boiiii
>>72998900
God Damn it I can't fucking stand my phone it takes ten minutes for my post toappear so half way I make another and BAM there it fucking is.
>>72998900
I agree, heavy drugs are destructive to society and should be banned.
>>72998503
We should at least ban meth and crack cocaine, maybe heroin.
>>72997446
Give it a rest. Let people think, live and observe. Chances are that after a week or two, more ideas would be presented j discussion. Several times each day is a bit too often.
>>72999272
Wait are other people making these kinds of threads? Because we have a schedule for when to post, so if someone else is doing this then we need to contact them
>>72999272
Thanks for the impute, will consider.
>>72999430
I'm the starter of the threads, on the google group you'll find me.
Drugs should only be allowed for medical uses.
>>72999609
I know, but in wondering if someone outside of the Google group is making these threads to. Maybe it's the leaf poster
what do you think about giving the death penalty for crimes that involve murder or rape (and have 100% solid evidence and proof)? imo this "eye for an eye" approach would deter violent crimes while keeping prisons less full, but I want to hear what others think about this "no tolerance" policy
>>72999736
reasoning behind this?
>>72998201
>>72997446
Shilling for American faction with the 13 stripes.
>>72999809
i agree
>>72999809
If you take someone's right to life unlawfully your right to life is revoked.
>>72999809
I would say death for those who can't be rehabilitated and for others who pose real threats to society.
>>72999836
Preventing abuse of drugs, and protecting others from people who abuse drugs
>>72998714
Yes exactly. We should know about the tax payer funded vacation taken by the head of the EPA but we don't need to know about the new totally silent gun the CIA is making.
>>72999951
Thanks, I agree, what about soft drugs?
>>72999836
Some drugs can be medicinal, but some can't be. Those that can shall be regulated by government, and those that can't shall be banned. This is my personal view on it.
>>72997446
So is this basic NatSoc democracy?
>>72999809
the only problem is what you define as 100% evidence and proof.
first, everyones definition of 100% will differ
and
believe it or not, there are cases all the time, even today, where it is believed we have "100% evidence and proof" and then after we incarcerate/put them to death we find they were innocent
>>73000094
We are currently discussing this in Google Hangouts.
Should women have the right to vote?
>>73000094
Weed is pretty low level. We can spend the money we save by stopping the war on it on education for kids so they don't do it. If we convince them that it hurts them, their family, and the country then the whole stoner culture may die out.
What's the stance on assisted suicide? Doesn't have to be state sponsored. It seemed contentious when it came up last time. Would be curious to hear your thoughts
>>73000154
No, it's more of a Libertarian capitalist with some restraints and a republic style government. Unlike NatSoc, we don't discriminate against people of color.
>>73000251
I never was invited, how can I get in?
>>73000266
Yes.
>>73000266
For anyone to vote, I believe they should have to take a test on basic economics and politics. Advice is always welcome.
>>73000415
You were, he invited you earlier.
>>73000160
Cromwell's rule
>>73000439
Completely agree.
>>73000266
ANYONE has to prove they have the basic understandings of economics in order to vote, if not, no voting rights.
>>73000094
Some soft drugs, maybe. Each person that buys them legally should be registered in a file, and maybe monitored to make sure they don't abuse.
>>73000329
Could you give context to the possible situations?
>>73000439
If everyone is required to take a test in order to vote, do you think we should abolish the voting age, and allow under 18s who passed the test to vote?
>>73000662
You should have an education to vote
>>73000662
18 seems to young, 25 maybe? When people already have jobs and are already working in them for some time?
>>72999941
how would you come to a solid conclusion that a person "can be rehabilitated"? imo if they're willing to destroy the lives of others they don't deserve life themself
>>73000822
I agree
I know youve changed the name a million times, and im pleased that it has got increasingly less autistic, but anything with 'national' in the name will instantly get discarded as nazi shit
>>73000787
yes, 22+ id say
>>73000887
Probably not
>>72999856
Also:
>American Platform
Ctrl + F "Constitution" ZERO FUCKING RESULTS.
Since civic nationalism is the only way this will be palatable for the country, we must stress this above all.
1. Unrestricted freedom of speech, religion, press, etc.
2. SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
3. No quartering any soldiers
>we must uphold private property above all things as it is sacred to individualism and liberty
4. Get a warrent fat fuck
5. Pleading the fifth and limited eminent domain
>This raises an important issue on eminent domain. We are a nationalist party. Do we secure the governments right to take property for the "good of the nation" or for "public use"? This is an important issue that will either bring some libertarians on or offboard
6. speedy public trial etc.
>I vouch that we overhaul the judicial system. it is SLOW, expensive, and time consuming. Perhaps we should work on improving this while satisfying niggers who hate the system somehow in order to get them on our side
7. the right of trial by jury shall be preserved
8. no cruel unusual punishment
9. The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
>This is important. we maintain certain rights (if we are capitalist, we might argue economic rights) that the government shall not deny us such as private means of production ,etc.
10. states reserve rights not listed in constitution
>Shall this be important to us? If we are a national party what is our view on state's rights? Should New York have the same gun laws as Texas for example because SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED?
Just HOW nationalist are we? So much so that we must direct actions of the state?
I believe these are important issues to include in our platform, piece by piece.
>>73000641
Any instance where you are medically confirmed to be in a lot of pain and no solution seems to be on the horizon
I haven't really thought this through..
>>73000329
I say allow it. If a person doesn't want to live why force them to?
>>73000822
Observing them to check on behavior maybe? That's actually a really good rebuttal
>>72999809
>imo this "eye for an eye" approach would deter violent crimes while keeping prisons less full, but I want to hear what others think about this "no tolerance" policy
Well, you've got hundreds of years of experiments to cite. Please post some evidence of your theory.
What should we do in regards to the mass automation of jobs that will occur in the coming decades, and the massive structural unemployment that will result from that? Would the party ever allow for a system of basic income?
>>73000995
That's why we need suggestions from others to help us establish a platform.
>>73001050
You can't enforce that anyway. Question is, should hospitals provide you with the tools or be required by law to do so if the need arises
>>73000995
>Unrestricted freedom of speech, religion, press, etc.
You can't have this AND nationalism.
>>73000439
>>73000662
Restrictions should be put in place. A basic test, and ownership of private property should be it. One shows that you have adequate knowledge about government/economics and one shows that you have something at stake when it comes to voting.
Anyone I think should be able eligible to vote if they meet these qualifications.
Daily reminder: voting is not a natural right. Though, we shouldn't discriminate against blacks, women, whatever. but, for sure, you MUST be a proven US citizen who owns property and can pass the test.
>>73001290
This
>>73001036
Maybe a piece of paper where both the doctor and patient have to sign and agree to go through with it, but it should be paid out of the pocket of the patient.
>>73000787
But remember that I am referring to young people who have managed to pass their test, thus demonstrating their understanding of politics, economics, and common sense. Also, with raising the voting age, should 18-25s still be subject to the draft?
>>73001290
This is why I bring it up. We are here on 4chan for a reason: we like freedom of speech and anonymity. Would we really want to take that away from ourselves and our countrymen in favor or nationalism? On a scale, how national are we you know? Just pushing the discussion forward.
>>73000995
>SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
Also, if you're sending bunches of people to the gulags / deportation for being degenerates / brown or whatever, this probably won't work either.
>>73001290
I would say some religious restrictions, if a religion is dangerous to society, Judaism and Islam, it should be banned.
>>73001531
I agree
I wasnt really thrilled to leave work to Organized religion but charities yes
Not really a moralist.
>>73001081
If that actually happens, which I'm confident won't, then we can make new areas of work that can't be automated.
>>73001071
have you ever seen a zero-tolerance policy in action in the modern day? I certainly haven't, so I don't have much to of. I'm not suggesting the idea because I know it will work, I'm asking what you guys think about the idea. In your opinion would it not work? If not why not?
>>73001531
I agree as well
>>73001434
IDK about a draft, someone within the group recommended a youth program similar to Boy Scouts and military programs, maybe that could replace a draft? I don't feel comfortable sending people off to the military who don't even want to.
Also, if 18 year olds are able to pass the test, then I guess they could possibly vote
>>73001292
I'm not sure about requiring ownership of private property. Everyone has something at stake during an election. Also, what do you mean by "private property"? Are you referring to having ownership of anything at all, or owning land/a house?
>>73001820
much to go off of**
>>73001868
Something similar to a Hitler Youth
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>>73001979
We'll need to refine it so that it isn't associated with Nazis, but that is an argument for another thread
>>73001820
Literally every Muslim country.
China executes an estimated 150 people per week, with no sign of crime slowing down.
Hell, look at U.S. highschools. Zero tolerance has had absolutely no effect.
Or, the U.S. policy on terrorism. Doesn't matter how many people we seem to lock up without charging them, it's having no effect at all.
I think abolishing affirmative action and racial/gender quotas should be part of the platform.
>>73002095
National Union Youth?
>>73001868
Not draft, volunteer miltary service if draft implemented average citizens would care more about war
Draft only for full total war
>>73001912
> Everyone has something at stake during an election.
What, women who want the government to subsidize their immoral behavior and have taxpayers take care their children?
For example, in my county, there was an issue to raise property taxes to help fund a local community college. Anyone could vote for it but only property owners would bear the costs. How is this right? This is what I mean to have something at stake.
And I suppose we can be nuanced with the definition but I am essentially referring to if you own a plot of land, then it is yours.
>>73002169
I agree
>>72998201
>>72998873
>>72998950
>>72999856
>>73000995
>>73001292
>>73001452
and just fyi, see OP's pic for official flag and color scheme and join the google group for the official banners as well
>>73002183
For another day, leaf poster, another day
>>73002023
I just asked
Maple Syrup Bump
>>73002226
Yeah, I agree, but I don't think it needs to be requires, but recommended.
>>73002444
Trips, made me laugh, and your name is Kek. Well done anon
We are really getting a lot of good suggestions, are you getting all this HoneyComb?
>>73002148
well wither way I feel the expense it takes to execute a murderer is better than the expense it takes to house them for life in prison. are you arguing against the "no tolerance" policy from a moral/ethical standpoint or from an economic/whats best for the nation standpoint?
>>73001732
Why are you confident that it won't happen, and that we will be able to create new areas of work that can't be automated? I suggest watching this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU
The Names Gnome Child btw
>>73002747
added you
>>73002627
I agree Full automation is going to happen in our life time.
>>73002023
>>73002299
>>73002844
I asked to join. Please accept.
>>73002260
You make some good points. It would stop the lazy/parasitic people from voting.
>>72997446
What is the meaning behind the flag?
>>73000365
We have the Nationalism aspect but since we are not a nation of one racial people it is not like the NatSoc of old. We believe that everyone has the ability to contribute.
>>73002958
Earned Voting privileges thru Military or Public works
>>73002994
I remember a long discussion about it, the compass (or the star), what I created, was used to represent as a guide to follow for the west back to it's roots, nationalism. Can't remember the rest though, sorry.
On use of Drugs here is a basic party platform point.
Legalize weed in the medical field fully while also creating Red Light cities that states can make that allow for more in-depth decadence. Give the people our own version of "Circus and bread" while still leaving room to turn citizens into more upstanding member
>>73002994
>>72400086
>>72449995
>>72496305
these past threads might be able to explain
Finally finished that Google Doc I was talking about earlier. Let me know what you think.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1310YHd6TEpGfmOIUJLBq8246DEgzA0jonyniEIWigEw/
Heres some of the stuff we got from the hangout
Weed is legalized in the medical sector fully.
States can now create "Red Light" cities. In these cities things like gambling, prostitution, and some drugs are legal. States have the right to determine what exactly is allowed, what age limits are, ect. Funds from these cities will be used to have Red Light police whose job is to ensure that all normally illegal activity stay in the city. Red Light cities can be shut down or fined if they have problems in keeping a lid on everything. (this should encourage the state to work hard to prevent loss of money, and RL city goers to self police so they don't lose their local Las Vegas)
As for drafting, a proposed idea is expanding JROTC to be a mandatory class for at least 1-2 years. Kids will learn basic drill, shooting, and military skills. Just enough to allow every citizen to have disciple, pride, and skill while not going to the level of some country's forced conscription.
>>73002611
>I feel the expense it takes to execute a murderer is better than the expense it takes to house them for life in prison
Well, you're wrong about that too.
I could look up a ton of sources, but I'll just copy paste these for now, and you can google it if you care.
>Defense costs for death penalty trials in Kansas averaged about $400,000 per case, compared to $100,000 per case when the death penalty was not sought. (Kansas Judicial Council, 2014).
>A new study in California revealed that the cost of the death penalty in the state has been over $4 billion since 1978. Study considered pre-trial and trial costs, costs of automatic appeals and state habeas corpus petitions, costs of federal habeas corpus appeals, and costs of incarceration on death row. (Alarcon & Mitchell, 2011).
>In Maryland, an average death penalty case resulting in a death sentence costs approximately $3 million. The eventual costs to Maryland taxpayers for cases pursued 1978-1999 will be $186 million. Five executions have resulted. (Urban Institute, 2008).
>Enforcing the death penalty costs Florida $51 million a year above what it would cost to punish all first-degree murderers with life in prison without parole. Based on the 44 executions Florida had carried out since 1976, that amounts to a cost of $24 million for each execution. (Palm Beach Post, January 4, 2000).
>The most comprehensive study in the country found that the death penalty costs North Carolina $2.16 million per execution over the costs of sentencing murderers to life imprisonment. The majority of those costs occur at the trial level. (Duke University, May 1993).
>In Texas, a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. (Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992).
>>73002994
We're actually still working on that. The star is the North Star and it is a guiding light for America and the west. The line is the Earth's tilt 24.3 degrees and represents purity. The Red and Blue still need meaning. The old flag the blue was nature (sky, water) and the orange was knowledge and the dawn of a new era. Any suggestions for the red and blue?
>>73003488
Along with expanded JROTC (or in replacement of it it seems not feasible)
Create a new younger generation group, "National Unity Youth" maybe? Then use that to promote our values. Not necessarily force it on them, but show our side. Even if they don't fall into the Unity Party, they will still pick up skills and an attitude more in line with traditional, self-reliant citizen.
The group should be structured with a Youth ranks system that allows the kids to lead and help train each other with a Scoutmaster/SAI that over looks them and directs training, but still letting them take positions of leadership.
Activities should focus on competition, self-improvement, and skills. Things like physical fitness, sports, and academic tests should govern competition. History studies, exercise, and philosophy govern self-improvement. Sculpting, map reading, and medical knowledge would be skills.
Youth members should have distinct uniforms that let them show off achievements (Badge sashes, medals, ribbons, devices, ect) and should be divided into (names based off JROTC) team, squads, platoons, companies, battalions, ect to promote local all the way to national pride in each other in events and awards at different levels."
>>72998503
Alc and mj at 18
It removes the cultural stigma that the youth overcompensate in early adulthood. Less people getting recklessly smashed and high because it's not "super cool because it's illegal"
>>73003550
23.4 degrees*
>>73003549
Could just bring back a firing squad.
4 executioners get 4 rifles, one rifle has a blank in it. The four each choose a weapon. They all aim and fire at designated target on person. Non of the four ever 100% know they killed the man.
>>73003550
Red white and blue are western colours. That's all it's gotta be m8. We are the west and we want to Make the West Great Again.
>>73003184
>>73003303
Thanks, I'll take a look. Anyways, besides a small symbol to make the party recognizable, I don't think a flag is that important. Personally, when I see someone create a flag-sized image for a party/movement for Canada, it doesn't imply nationalism. To me, it implies a new country, not old or traditional Canada. Not sure if that made sense
>>73003307
I agree with this completely, with more of an in-def analysis, we could adopt this as official.
>>73003718
Then why do we need to have smoking/drinking ages at all?
Question Op.
How do you feel about organized Religion
>>73003772
Protip: It's not the fucking electric bill that makes execution expensive.
>>73003307
Good ideas. I'm sure we could work some of your points in. I especially like your ideas on progressives.
>>73003900
If it is not dangerous to society and does not infringe on others rights, its allowed.
>>73003307
>https://docs.google.com/document/d/1310YHd6TEpGfmOIUJLBq8246DEgzA0jonyniEIWigEw/
Good start ameribro
>>73001292
In my opinion, no one would vote for a party who doesn't want them to participate in the democratic process. Sure, people need to be educated on economics and politics but it should be taught in schools instead of the uneducated in those fields being barred from voting.
>>73003923
Just saying. That, on top of reducing amount of repeals, time for between appeals, and making it so that no death row inmate can remain alive more than say 5-10 years after conviction could help reduce the cost.
>>73003549
The problem with the death penalty is that death row prisoners get a lot of appeals. The death penalty could be cheapened significantly by reducing the number of appeals that they can file, using cheaper execution methods, and executing them as soon as possible after their conviction.
>>73000607
No don't put them on a file. That's an easy slip into some getstapo shit. People should buy anything legal without having a tab on them
>>73003900
not op but I am shilling for Christianity as the "base" religion if that makes sense. The west and Christianity are compatible. Islam, Judaism need not apply.
This doesn't necessarily mean Christianity is the national religion, but it is heavily implied as the favorite. Sort of like how English isn't the official language of the USA but it is if that makes sense.
Could we get this to 40 members?
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>>73001290
No you can have both, as long as you don't go from pride in one's nation to fucking 1930's facism, which was an ugly manipulated spawn of nationalism.
I want to write a part two of the Google Doc on some more subjects, but I want some suggestions as to what I should cover and some opinions on the subjects of the members of the party.
>>73004089
What ever happened to being 100% sure?
Even with all of the protections we have right now, an estimated 1 in 25 people sentenced to death are later found innocent, either before or after death.
So, how many innocent people are you willing to kill to save some money?
>>72997446
What's the deal with foreign policy then, lads?
>>73004117
see
>>73004407
What's putting the bullet in the brain of a man wrongly convicted worth to you?
Is there an Australian version of this or is it just NA?
>>73001531
I disagree, it should be handled the same way extreme sjw's socially ostracize racists. It's legal to be Islamic or Jewish or Hindu, but if one religion has been responsible for some serious shit, you can talk down to it all day long
>>73004400
Drugs should be an issue, we have a discussion about it in the group, pretty much waht these guys have been saying.
>>73003488
>>73003203
The part about Anglo allies being at the front of the line for receiving foreign aid money might scare off normies, maybe change that.
>>73004511
We are going to strengthen ties with allies and cut off those who seek to harm us and our allies. The exact opposite of current American Policy. We would not interfere if England wants to leave the EU like Obama is.
>>73004561
Originally the main three were Canadian, American, and Australian.
Feel free to copy/paste the platform and get started on your own version to better fit your country.
I even have a meme flag for you.
>>73004659
>>73004659
Substitute "anglo" to "closest allies" and we got a winner.
>>73004344
>>73004277
>>73004400
THREE IN A ROW! Kek will guide you.
>>73004659
Maybe just allies then?
>>73004561
Any country is allowed to join, the reason we don't have an Australian platform is because we have no Australians to write it.
We keep the Canadian platform to Canadians and American one to Americans
>>73004407
We should definitely strive to ensure that innocents are not killed for others heinous acts. However, we also cannot let death row inmates cost the state millions and not be put to death even after 15+ years. Nor can we just toss people in holes their whole lives to get one last laugh as they drain money from the state living away the rest of their lives behind bars.
Its a fickle business I admit freely, but we have to go forward the best we can.
>>73004692
Sounds good.
>>73004942
Addressing both sides of the argument without actually saying anything, solving the problem, or even taking a firm stance.
I guess I was wrong, you guys really are politicians after all.
>>73003879
Because other countries have laws around that age. Being relative to other Western countries in law is a helpful guide when choosing age restrictions
What is our stance on Russia? Do we like them or not? Do we attempt to open up to them more or do we continue to shun them?
>>73005198
Open up to them a little bit more, but not too much, Russia is always up to something...
But the are definitely an ally
>>73005198
I would love to have the USA and Russia become formal allies. We have more in common than all our leaders wish to admit. If we could get on the same page imagine how powerful we would be.
>>73005198
I vote we keep connections open because we like them and understand they are doing what is best for their nation no different than when we do what is best for us. Though, we don't see eye to eye sometimes, in the end, we have more to gain working together through trade etc. than by building nukes and bases near the other's country.
In fact, a good war in the middle east where we work together and take land would really seal the deal for our friendship.
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>>73004692
We should also stop supporting our "allies" who do shady business like supporting ISIS
>>73005140
Its a hard earned talent I assure you.
If you want to know my stance, then know I am for the death penalty. However, I am no lawyer and determining the required amount of evidence, appeals, and time to death is above just me. That is why these threads allow for discussion. If you have anything that can help reduce innocent deaths while simultaneously reduce costs, I'm all ears.
>>73005198
We should respect their sovereignty and mend relations with them. obviously we make sure everyone knows we are the big stick, but that doesn't mean we have to be the big dick too.
>>73005540
Yes. Saudi Arabia and Turkey are not our Allies.
I read through the google doc, and agree with the lions share of the ideas - with the exception of term limits.
term limits should be kept as they allow members of congress and the senate to specialize in certain fields of lawmaking and participate in committees properly. placing a cap on the length one can serve severely damages their ability to become an expert in the given specialty of a committee, meaning the legislation they write on a topic will be better developed and from a more educated standpoint. that's why the founders allowed representatives and senators to serve for an unlimited amount of time.
>>73000887
>, but anything with 'national' in the name will instantly get discarded as nazi shit
This
What these 8/pol/ autists lack is vision
They need to realize that all previous systems are Jewish, and they need a prevailing umbrella of genetic stock to break through.
This is where an idea of ethnocentric technocracy comes into play, and also a pan-aryan seed-stock of citizens to come together to make this new white nation devoid of the fiat-jew.
We must maintain our homelands, and create a utopia with what we have. This would be easiest in North Amercica, while absorbing the best of European stocks.
Technocracy: because scientists BTFO kikes
>>73005915
So we're the brotherhood of steel?
>>73006061
>So we're the brotherhood of steel?
I don't understand that allusion;
Is that some video game shit?
>>73005915
We could easily advocate Science and technology over gender studies and humanities. Kinda like the US under JFK during the space race.
Ok look we have a myriad of issues we need to tackle
>drugs
Drugs only matter because welfare. I don't want to subsidize the unemployent of an addict. Take down extensive welfare, and you take down drug restrictions. Drugs should be allowed, but discouraged, and still regulated.
>Immigration
no more anchor babies. none. no more letting just anybody in, only the best people. And they must be educated and integrated into society. They must be loyal to the USA.
>Military and Police
Important, however, contracts must be fulfiled more efficiently. We need to stop handing boeing, Colt, Raytheon and LockMart loads of money just because they can
>economy
Decouple the Government from the economy. Separation of Bank and State. I mean it.
If that is too ridiculous. Then Gold Standard.
>Gender
Men and women equal rights as individual agents, but equal rights including equal obligation. Equal draft, family court, etc.
*This point is debatable, considering differences between men and women. Still due process applies.
>Healthcare
get out of it. Eventually dissolve Medicare/Medicaid, remove regulations. Dissolve Social Security too, create a cut off date for those who receive it.
>Taxes
Reduce IRS to small department. Flat 10% tax rate on everyone, including business formations(Corps, LLC, partnership etc)
>Legislation
Expiration on laws required. We don't need a bunch of dumbass shit clogging up our legal system.
>Transparency
First get rid of the Fed, require all finances reported, names can be redacted so long as theyre reviewed by a congressional board. NSA restricted by Constitution.
I'm also sleep deprived by i'd like to help make a new party.
National Union Party or American Party, or Classical Party is gud
>>73005852
I have thought of it, and I think we need term limits that allow for a long length of service, something like a 12 term cap for Representatives and a 4 term cap for Senators.
On another note, I propose a new plank to our platform, about clarity of the law. Ambiguity in the law is arguably the most serious problem in our legal code, as it leads to gray areas followed by conflicts than can't reasonably be solved, since each side has at least a decent claim to being correct. Thus, laws should be reformed in that they are taken literally, and they explicitly state what is against the law and what the penalties are, as to avoid conflicts over what's legal and what's not, thus, rising tensions in society.
People who receive welfare/unemployment/food stamps under the age of 50 shouldn't be allowed to vote. Being able to vote should serve as an incentive for them to get a job.
Here's why:
- They don't give a shit about the economy
- They get paid for doing literally nothing, except for having more kids which further contributes to overpopulation.
- Their votes are based ENTIRELY on the guarantee and continuance of future handouts.
- They don't contribute to society, therefore they shouldn't be allowed to participate in society.
- All a politician has to do to get elected is to promise them that they will keep getting their handouts (which is essentially bribery).
The solution: Before a person signs up for government assistance they should be forced to sign away their voting rights until they no longer require assistance.
And to the people who say this isn't fair, and for the people who say "but they're still citizens, you can't take away their right to vote!", well guess what, felons can't vote either (and they're still citizens). So how is it fair that a former felon isn't allowed to vote? Even though he or she may be busting their ass 40+ hours week trying to make an honest living, they aren't allowed to vote even though they are actually contributing something to society by paying taxes.
>>73006210
It's nothing, what you said just reminded me of it more than usual
>>73006228
Just study Technocracy:
http://www.ok-safe.com/files/documents/1/Technocracy_Study_Course.pdf
We need to manage an ever-increasing system of complexity with reason and science.
This means putting power of the system of our civilization in the hands of those who study those systems.
Only through this process will we sublimate the chaos and destruction of this age into something greater
also I'd like to say this, although it may be pointless
Most movements who stay here too long are almost always sabotaged internally. You're going to have to distance yourself from here.
I also urge, that any debate(for a candidate to ever be a member) must provide evidence and an argument for his/her position. There will be no "We need X because it will help Y". No, you are required to make a case for it, with evidence.
Also consider restricting voting to those of whom pay more taxes into the system than they receive.
>>73001933
tell dhud to fuk off for me lol
>>73002994
The white stripe, which follows the degree of earth's axis, represents purity (of the spirit of a nation, in line with the world and untouched by corruption). Purity of the spirit isn't a straightforward path with easy solutions. It's an uphill march.
The star is the North Star, which represents the unending search for freedom (historically, black slaves used the symbol to find their way to freedom). It marks the strive every man has to reach his own liberty, and it's an unending light, guiding all those lost in the dark.
The red and blue, I'm still not sure what it means, but there has to be an acknowledgement of our history in it.
>>73006458
once you start allowing politicians to control who votes they'll spend 100% of their time deciding who gets to vote.
>As of the fourth quarter of 2011 there were 108,592,000 people living in households in the United States that received benefits from one or more “means-tested” government programs, according to the Census Bureau’s estimate. Those 108,592,000 “means-tested” government benefit recipients, according to the bureau, equaled 35.4 percent of 306,804,000 people in the United States at that time.
but holy shit i didn't realize 1 in 3 people are on TANF or food stamps.
>>73007081
>"The colors of the pales (the vertical stripes) are those used in the flag of the United States of America; White signifies purity and innocence, Red, hardiness & valour, and Blue, the color of the Chief (the broad band above the stripes) signifies vigilance, perseverance & justice."
>>73006900
>most movements who stay here to long always get internally sabotaged
This on an infinite level. This place will be our downfall if we aren't careful.
>dumb neckbeards in their parent's basement trying to make a political party that only other dumb neckbeards will vote for
sure sounds like success to me
Any opions on Political Parties?
>>73006900
>Also consider restricting voting to those of whom pay more taxes into the system than they receive.
Impossible to enforce as all benefits can not be quantified monetarily. If person X lobbies the government to keep Comcast not classified as a monopoly, Comcast saves potentially billions by not being broken up. They received $0 from the government yet benefited largely.
It also creates more incentive to manipulate the government to get more power.
>>73007705
You are the reason the shitposting leaf stereotype exists. Don't try to derail this thread.
>>73007878
or what, you'll get the CIA on me when you become secretary of defense? don't kid yourself, big boy
>>73007358
Thanks for the advice. Noted
>>73007941
If you don't like a thread, don't post in it..
>>73007731
Republicans and Democrats both have bad intentions, libertarians are alright.
Why are we allowing people to use drugs and stuff?
Shouldn't we only allow things that positively contribute to the state and it's people?
>>73007941
Why are you asking this? Are you actually trying to get this thread derailed?
>>73008300
Some drugs have benefits, and are already sold on a large enough scale that it wouldn't be profitable to try and stop it. That's my understanding
>>73008300
only soft drugs, no hard drugs
>>73008157
What about ideologies i consider myself
Moderate Conservative i used to be liberal but you know everyone is liberal when theyre young
>>73008123
>implying I don't like it
I like it, it's very entertaining how underage basement-dwelling neckbeards think they can kick off a political party that will reform all of society
it's basically a blast to the past similar to that idiotic notion of a /pol/ nation with people not even in high school volunteering to try to make it work
>>73008448
So we're talking about marijuana, alcohol, and tobacco legalized or something?
>>73008571
Hey Maybe at least on of us will make it as a political reformer
>>73004736
I came up with this.
You can use the star as a double meaning here.
We have 6 states and 2 territories which equals the 8 points on the star.
How's that for unity
can we be an environmentally-conscious nationalist party, please?
just for once? it'll be great, /pol/. I promise.
>>73008632
Yeah, stuff like that
>>73008507
Conservatives are OK, but they could use a little pushing over to the right side to become nationalist.
>>73008796
we don't harm the very environment we pride ourselves on.
>>73008966
anon, I'll vote for your party in a heartbeat.
>>73008774
Hot damn I knew all australians weren't shitposters.
Looks good m8 but I guess the final design is up to you friendo.
>>73009116
thanks :^)
>>73008811
Maybe we could just tax them highly
>>73008878
How about citizenship my arguement
1st Gen Immigrant are allowed to reside in country only if they are at highschool educated. Speak english fluently.
2nd Gen Limited Citizenship
3rd Gen Limited Citizenship then chance to earn Full citizenship
>>73008966
I do think this can be interesting. Preservation of the environment is purely a western phenomenon. Its a luxury of our wealth to care about it. I love nature and want to treasure it. We have our US Forest Service and National/State parks. I think littering should be more enforced as well. I hate when people just throw shit on the ground.
Also to add to discussion. Our youth need leadership, direction and a sense of belonging. Unity with their countrymen. They so frequently get lost and fall victim to more powerful unity..with Islam in this case
>>72997446
>from nashville, tennessee
>this looks like tennessee's flag
feelsgoodman
>>72997446
>Canada
>Not too proud to join America/Create a union with America
>The US
>Not too enamored with our flag/constitution to change it
I really hope you guys can start a movement, but I don't think this will go far.
>>73010087
Tennessee's flag truly is the best in the nation, inb4 butthurt Marylanders
t. yankee
>>73009984
We can teach these things to our children in a boy scout
>>73010087
Tennessee flag is best flag
I'm making a Google doc for the policies settled in this thread so it can be integrated into the platform
>>73011287
Awesome make sure to join it in the google group.
>>73002627
Alright I finally came to a conclusion. Advice is always welcome.
When full automation comes and there are no jobs people can do, then socialism, if not done by a corrupt leader, might work.
>>73011287
A thousand mile journey begins with a few steps.
>>73011437
I've already joined the google group
>>73011437
I meant post it in. Sorry, I'm tired.
WHY THE FUCK IS EVERYONE ALLOWED TO GRIEF THE GOOGLE DOC?
>>73013001
because it's funny
>>73013001
Someone did something to it?
Put restrictions on it
>>73013001
>Which doc?
>>73002627
>creating a humans paradise where they don't have to work (the bots do that) and get enough money to live comfortably
>bad
This is the only way a communism can truly work, bots don't get greedy. If robots can replace all human jobs, I will become a commie.
>>73013523
American Platform
>>73013211
yeah, it is pretty funny.
checked
>>73013523
Both platforms
>>72997446
That flag has some meaning?
>>73011287
MAKE SURE YOU PUT SOME SORT OF EDITING RESTRICTIONS ON IT SO THE SHITHEADS CAN'T FUCK IT UP
Someone go check the american platform. Is it fixed? I hoped I fixed it
HoneyComb 2nd Point is great
>>73013968
Yeah. Someone in this thread already talked about it so you can go find that if you want, but if tl;dr star is a guide white is tilted same degree as earth 23.4 also represents purity red is strength and blue is vigilance. If I got anything wrong please correct
>>73014313
yeah, it's fixed
Have you guys thought of any way to end political dynasties. Nepotism Clintons/Bush example
>>73014521
I am so sorry guys. I didn't know they could suggest pictures.
>>73014697
no its okay Honey i keked
>>73014642
Just don't allow them to run
>>73014697
What was the edit?
top kek op is 12
>>73015349
okay?
>>72998201
Mfw made American banner ._.
>>73015349
who woulda fuckin figured
>>73014642
Assassinate them like how Hillary/Obongo killed Scalia
>>73015349
And this is why I don't join any Google groups or anything that requires an account. You 4chan hackers will eventually find the identity of members.
>>73002844
Trick Smith asked to join mate
>>73015349
Proof thats op
>>73015349
faggots, that isnt me
>>73015539
whoa whoa, kool your Jets John Hinckley
>>73007358
Stay vigilant
>>73015349
>12
>>73015894
That might be his mom though
>>73015894
Who cares. Join yhe group instead of being a pussy.
i know who the fuck cares
