Hi, my name is Noam Chomsky. I've written many prestigious books advocating potential anrachy and dystopian socialism. Maybe you've heard of me.
Anyways, I HATE CAPITALISM. I don't benefit from trade in any way. Even my glasses and clothes are made from hemp.
I think it's important that people like you smash the fascist establishment. However. I have a measily $2M to my name, so I contacted my Jew buddies who hid all my money from Uncle Sam, because you know....I want money! It's important for you to not like money, though.
The left, ladies and gentlemen.
There's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism.
Also, read Zizek.
>>72961062
>it's a marxist pretending that communism can still work 25 years after the cold war ended
cute, nice meme philosopher
The rich should pay for the poor.
Chomsky is great.
Too much of an SJW, but still fun to listen to.
>>72961062
>but there is such thing as ethical consumption when the state controls everything.
Oh I'm sorry, I meant when everything is "shared" by the people. The state goes away, right, RIGHT?
>>72961062
I'd rather execute you at the edge of a ditch
capitalism is a euphemism for plutocracy
which is socialism
there is no capitalism is reality
anarchy is not a system of government
>>72960746
You act according to the system you live in, not the one you want.
>>72961218
The canadians should pay for a wall up north
>>72961062
>Zizek
>not mentionning Clouscard, Polanyi, Lasch or Michéa
JUST
>>72961307
>no real capitalism
Are you implying only anarcho-capitalism is real capitalism?
>>72961307
>anarchy is not a form of government
No shit, Sherlock.
>>72961327
What flawless logic
>Hates USA
>Lives in USA
>Hates capitalism
>Profits from selling books
Fucking leftists, how do they work?
>>72961353
Take a moment to look at our borders. There's literally house build in the middle of it. There's literally towns splitted in half with a tiny border both if you're a commercial truck.
It's seriously the most quiet border in the world.
You meme loving fuck.
>>72961254
>state
>communism
That's not how it works.
>>72961596
Except it is working that way, right now. I know in theory that the state is supposed to be dissolved. Has that ever happened? No it hasn't, buddy.
>>72961547
>leftists
>ever not huge hypocrites who leech off of the system they claim to hate
>>72961589
That's why we need a wall up north you maple fuck, we don't need any Toronto scum leaking down from you.
>>72961596
>>72961450
capitalism isn't capitalism
it's plutocratic socialism with a word we've been trained to believe in
law has always been, from the start, nothing more than a euphemism for the protection of elite privilege
economic systems are all the same... whatever veneer they have they have the same goal
>>72961589
He's saying he doesn't want Canadians polluting our politics and culture. Canada would be less of a threat if it was filled with Chinese.
>>72961223
maybe 15 years ago
he's been a broken record for some time now and I think he fails to appreciate just how cancerous an ideology Islam is.
I read fateful triangle, manufacturing consent, and hegemony or survival and I agree we fucked up in the middle east but Chomsky is probably a cuck that wants mass 3rd world immigration
>>72961596
Funny how it turns to be that result every fucking time it's tried.
>>72961218
Rich is a buzzphrase for being gifted everything in life
>>72961795
Well you're speaking in extremely broad terms. It's kind of a no-brainer that all governments regardless of ideology, have common goals of hierarchy.
>>72961871
which is never
>>72961699
>>72961871
There are state's with communist parties, but not communist states. There is no reason we cannot learn from the past, however.
>>72961705
>ever not huge hypocrites who leech off of the system they claim to hate
>we can't critique the world we live in to make it better
>>72961770
>>72961835
>fails to appreciate just how cancerous an ideology Islam is.
That was the real epiphany for me. You can tell everything you need to know about someone based on their assessment of Islam. Self-proclaimed anti-imperialists who apologize for Islam deserve death.
>>72961705
>>72961810
You're the ones spreading cancerous marxist shit you fucking delusional twats.
Seriously get your fucking head checked.
>inb4 le weed man
And what have YOU been pouring in our world over the last two decade aside from pure degeneracy, with your madona and miley?
>>72962017
>It's kind of a no-brainer that all governments regardless of ideology, have common goals of hierarchy.
It's not a "no-brainer" at all.
People continue to argue from a faulty foundation — the belief that some economies and systems of law are populist while others are elitist/plutocratic.
All of significance are plutocratic.
>>72962059
>there's no state, just parties.
Sounds like perception and denial. Ya, China doesn't have state owned companies.
Are you saying that the Communist party and the state are not realistically the same thing? In theory, maybe not, but irl, yes.
Stop acting like communism is great or humbled. The elitists assume the roles of their previous capitalist over-lords.
One group of people control everything.
>>72962023
>muh never tried
fuck off commie shit
>>72960746
Don't diss the gnome!! He's way smarter than you'll ever be.
>>72962119
>rightists literally funds al aqueda
>will only blame religion when it blows up in their faces
>>72962190
At least we still have redneck whites who hate Jew magic. Your people bath in it, and give yourself enemas with the fluid.
>>72962266
So then your point is? What? Smash the state? Lol. You're not telling me anything new.
Sure, all governments can fairly be labeled plutocratic, but obviously have more technical differences in how labor and resources are delegated.
I get what you are saying, though.
>>72962358
>China's not capitlaist
>china doesn't have private ownership of the means of production
>china doesn't replicate capitalist hierarchies in business
give me a break
>>72962478
Neoconservatives are LITERALLY Trostskyites who co-opted our conservative party by promising low IQ whites they would stop abortion so they'd let them do whatever they wanted. It's not a simple as "conservatives fund radical Islam" and you know it.
>>72962555
>So then your point is?
the truth
what else?
>>72962643
No that's what I meant, I was being sarcastic when I said china doesn't have state owned companies.
>>72961062
Literally THE meme philosopher
>>72962699
T...thanks..
>mumble mumble america is bad
>mumble capitalism has hurt some people too mumble mumble
I just saved you from having to ever listen to this man talk about politics again, you're welcome
>>72962655
this
radical islam back in the day was seen as less of a threat to israel than secular arab nationalism
I hate the neocons just as much as chomsky
>>72962655
>neoconservatives
>trotskyites
this too much. I didn't even know ideology this pure was possible.
>>72962718
I WAS being sarcastic dumbass. Socialism/communism isn't anything a state does. China's state owned companies are actually just owned and operated by beaurocrats, there's almost now difference between them and private businesses, which also exist in china.
>>72962366
youre literally retarded and slavic too so a nonwhite untermesch
you must love trump because he is orthodox jewish yuroslavic
>>72963234
that's rich coming from a retarded communist
>>72961589
No leaf, a wall is going to be built and you're going to pay for it... Believe me
>>72962850
Google: Irving Kristol
I'll grant you it's appears insane on its face, but there is a clear political evolution in the mid 20th century of reformed Trotskyists, Jewish intellectual interlopers that lead all the way to the Jewish foreign policy team of the Bush administration. They took over the party. I wouldn't believe it either if it wasn't so straight forward and traceable in living memory.
>>72960746
>I don't benefit from trade in any way. Even my glasses and clothes are made from hemp.
Wow that's a real clever argument. Capitalist control the distribution of food, so anyone who eats food and complains about the arrangement is by your logic a hypocrite, since they're not starving themselves to death. That makes a lot of sense!
>>72963501
>ayn rand and bill crystal are evil commanisms
fatty bankrupt has succeeded. he ate the entire republican parts bones and all. bravo fatty we will make a statue of you in our new democrat's utopia.
>>72963234
>Amerifat trying to lecture Eastern Europeans on communism
>>72963799
i dont lecture nonwhites i just remind them that they are unwelcome in society
>>72962850
Also, the geniusly, and cynically modulated the Southern Strategy to use Evangelical sentiments towards Israel to solidify the religious right in support of pro Israel policies. Didn't you ever wonder why the same people who wouldn't let Jews join their country clubs 50 years ago, now shill for Jewish interests? It's all horse trading, and power. Republicans deserve to be hated for selling out to Jewish intellectuals, but Americans should not forget the Jewish cause of neoconservatism in the first place.
Excellent chatty book abt. celebs/actresses/activists: DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO. Moore, Streisand owned oil cos. and block ocean drilling rigs.
>>72963501
>supposed Trotskyist
>One of his early books, Two Cheers for Capitalism, asserts that capitalism, or more precisely bourgeois capitalism, is worthy of two cheers: One cheer, because "it works, in a quite simple, material sense", by improving the conditions of people. And a second cheer, because it is "congenial to a large measure of personal liberty". These are no small achievements, he argues, and only capitalism has proved capable of providing them.
>supported supply side economics
Sounds pretty bourg to me.
>>72963799
Eastern Europeans like communism because they are peasants and serfs by nature.
>>72963853
hang yourself pinko
rather be nonwhite than disgusting leftard
>>72963501
Good chart, but it's missing some things. For instance, it doesn't mention that Commentary was founded by the American Jewish Committee.
>>72964143
>>72963792
They're Jewish supremacists. Communism is just ONE vector for Jewish supremacy. Neoconservatism is another. You have to get your head out of the narrow single axis political framework. That's low IQ. Jews operate on a higher level than that. They aren't bound by the right/left divide. They only care about Jewish interests.
>>72963914
The bourgeoisie tricked you into supporting the military industrial complex's massive support for isreal, what else is new? It's all very capitalist.
>>72964244
Then update it.
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>>72964295
If you're a leftist, the Jews tricked you into supporting a Jewish power and influence scheme too. They've played EVERY angle. You are not better than the dumb toothless Evangelicals you probably look down on.
>>72964246
>what is the doctor's plot
>what is leftist opposition to isreal
Get your head out of your ass, politics isn't a black and white game of chess. It's much more complicated and there are much more actors than "jewish conspirators" and everyone else.
>>72964466
Are you referring to the democratic party? Yes, capitalist interests control them too, they've controlled liberals from the start.
>>72964369
10/10
>>72961223
he's only good for critiques of neocon foreign policy.
>>72964369
Kek
You should see fans he's taken pictures with. My god. Even before the SJW decade, you could see pictures of Noam with pink haired commie land whales. That's one of Noam's main demographics.
>>72964525
>politics isn't a black and white game of chess
That's what I've been saying. It certainly IS more complicated that Jewish controlling everything. They are a PART of everything though, and their influence influences politics on both the right and left, and both the right and left have positions that go against Jewish interests. Hence, they play both sides the mitigate the damage like ALL groups attempt to do. I don't think there is anything magical about Jews. They are one group among many, but with the benefit of a very high average IQ, and geographic dispersion, they have influences, and shaped political factions disproportionately.
>>72961291
Who would pay to fuck that sloth?
>>72960746
>>72961196
We had a linguistics book written by him as required reading in one of my computer science classes. It had nothing to do with politics, but was very informative.
>>72964832
They are one special interest among many and they are not a monolith. I'd prefer to concentrate on eliminating the inequality of wealth and power that causes so many people to get fucked over, manly by eliminating the capitalist mode of production.
What's the official opinion on Jews and communism? Obviously Marx and Trots were Jews. I once heard a rant that concluded Jews designed all forms of modern government specifically for geographical location and political borders.
What I don't get it is, if Jews masterminded all this shit, it's backfiring on them.
>>72961062
>read Zizek.
more like have some Keks
>>72964602
Democrats, yes. I'm also talking about classical Communists as well. It was an anti-gentile Jewish power ideology from the start, and used exactly to that effect. It still is today in its derivative forms.
THIS omnipresence among many disparate political movements and nations is the reason there is so much conspiratorial concern about the "Jewish problem". It didn't come from no where, and it's not all due to mere religious or ethnic resentment. Any time you have different groups occupying the same space, their interests will diverge and clash.
>>72965201
Then you should simply focus on getting corporations to stop having state support. Corporations SHOULD be treated like people, despite the reflexive aversion to this by the left. If a person breaks that law, that person goes to jail. If a corporation breaks the law, it's officers should go to jail, and the company should cease to operate for the duration of a sentence. Corporations are only a problem because states enforce the contract laws the make them function.
It's not about who OWNS production, it's about who is held responsible when the means of production are used to break the law.
>>72965270
most of the first soviet government were jews. pretty much all the major figures were jewish, except lenin and he was partially jewish.
>>72965201
Wealth inequality in part is due to human inequality. Capitalism produces inequality because people are unequal in their abilities. You will NEVER be able to change this, and the reality of natural inequality will simply express itself in different forms, no matter what economic system you attempt to institute. It's why every Communist system eventually became hierarchical, and ruled by a separate elite--JUST like capitalism.
>>72965555
(check'd)
> It was an anti-gentile Jewish power ideology from the start, and used exactly to that effect. It still is today in its derivative forms.
No it wasn't. The workers movement was deliberately anti-identerian and focused on class, as that is the only to make progress against capitalist interests. The fact that there were many jews involved in the early socialist movement has its roots in a reaction against the part of jewish culture involved in banking and business by other jews.
>Then you should simply focus on getting corporations to stop having state support.
You aren't seeing the big picture, the corporations have state support because they have wealth and power. Attempting to separate the two is pointless because the corporations and those who own them are just going to undermine whatever we do with their wealth and power.
The only way to fix this problem is so that the power is dispersed, one way to do this is to make all corporations democratically owned by the people who work at them.
And regardless, it's better for the economy this way.
>>72962366
>Abolition of all rights of inheritance
>USSR check
Actually, there were still laws of inheritance. So no checked
>>72963799
this is atroll, m8. A very fat one
>>72966345
> Capitalism produces inequality because people are unequal in their abilities.
LMAO! Because getting rich in the stock market isn't pure chance? Because being born into a rich family totally means you earned it? Because owning a factory totally makes it ok to never work a day in your life?
Hint: there's no such thing as moral luck.
I'm ok with accepting inequality. I am not ok with accepting inequality for the sake of inequality.
>>72962832
You're still looking at the past through the lens of leftist agitprop. We didn't fund radical Islam because we perceived it as less of a threat to Israel. That never even entered into the calculation.
We supported "radical Islam" (Islam is Islam)because secular pan-arabism was seen as a greater threat to US not Israel, or more accurately our hegemonic dominance over the Middle East. Israel is and was just another chess-piece.
By focusing solely on Israel you ignore the greater context of the Cold War that was playing out alongside the events in the Middle East.
>>72960746
>. I have a measily $2M to my name
that was a minor trust fund he set up for offspring like 10 years ago
he probably has tens of millions from book sales alone
also, he revealed that in reality he's a vulgar Stalinist when he criticized political prisoner Havel
>>72966399
>workers movement was deliberately anti-identerian
>Workers and classs are not identities because I say so, and it would ruin my theory if they were
Also, the Soviets had no problem courting western banking interests for investment, and the western bankers had no problem investing. In fact, there was early optimism in the west that the Soviet system would be much more apt for investment and growth than the "backwards" Tsarist system.
>The only way to fix this problem is so that the power is dispersed
Then relearn basic theory on "The Rights of Englishmen", and grasp the notion of dispersed ("limited") government, where local control is the ideal.
>>72966743
Most people in the top %1 are there for a single year. Wealth inequality is overstated, and economic mobility is understated. Read some Thomas Sowell to evaluate the real numbers yourself. It's not as sexy as ideology, but evidence trumps ideology imo. There is FAR more socioeconomic stagnation in socialist system--there is virtually no way to rise or fall other than courting or falling afoul of state powers in those systems.
>>72966785
The point is, he hides money just like his capitalist over-lords.
>>72966499
>The early Soviet state sought to remake the family, believing that although the economic emancipation of workers would deprive families of their economic function, it would not destroy them but rather base them exclusively on mutual affection. Religious marriage was replaced by civil marriage, divorce became easy to obtain, and unwed mothers received special protection. All children, whether legitimate or illegitimate, were given equal rights before the law, women were granted sexual equality under matrimonial law, inheritance of property was abolished, and abortion was legalized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_in_the_Soviet_Union
>>72966785
>political prisoner Havel
>>72967028
>Workers and classs are not identities because I say so, and it would ruin my theory if they were
I was referring to racial identities. Class identities are important because they are based on real material relations.
>Also, the Soviets had no problem courting western banking interests for investment, and the western bankers had no problem investing. In fact, there was early optimism in the west that the Soviet system would be much more apt for investment and growth than the "backwards" Tsarist system.
Everyone wants investment, the soviets were mostly state capitalist anyways. That's what lenin called it.
>Then relearn basic theory on "The Rights of Englishmen", and grasp the notion of dispersed ("limited") government, where local control is the ideal.
I agree, but we need dispersed private power as well as public power.
>Most people in the top %1 are there for a single year. Wealth inequality is overstated, and economic mobility is understated.
>understated
the 20 richest motherfuckers own as much as the poorest 50% percent of the country.
Mobility is irrelevant, for as long as there must be rich there must be poor. Not everyone can be a millionaire. But regardless, the fact that there is this inequality creates slow growth and crisis, which is bad for everyone. Read Richard D. Wolff.
>>72967818
>race isn't based on real material relations
Any further conversation with you is useless.
>>72967928
Race is an abstraction. What exists as race biologically has little relation to what exists as race in our minds.
However, it is impossible to deny that identity of class based on rich and poor and employee and employer is not real.
>>72964864
That's a pretty bad picture of her, she looks decent in some of her other ones.
Either way, it wouldn't be worth that kind of money.
>>72963853
>i dont lecture nonwhites i just remind them that they are unwelcome in society
Well, our own nation is 40% pic related so you're doing a shit job outside of the internet.
>>72964369
kek
Fuck off JIDF. Chomsy is based
>>72964966
Chomsky had a few good ideas in linguistics, but most of his shit is all based on the idea that all humans have a universal grammar ingrained in their mind from birth. It's actual cracksmokery and I don't know how anyone takes it seriously when so many studies have demonstrated the capacity for babies to learn and for people to naturally invent new linguistic conventions.
