How do people remain religious these days?
>>72943116
IQ < 100
>>72943176
fpbp
>>72943116
Because we like to think there is something worth living for.
>>72943176
>>72943116
Because some people manage to think critically, and realize they can't demand physical proof for something metaphysical. If you think Scientific advancement has changed anything, it hasn't. Science has nothing to do with religion, and cannot disprove it, because if religion were true, Science would just be a creation.
>>72943116
Because it's the only way to remain moral
>>72943520
/thread
OP, why do so many atheists believe themselves to be pinnacles of intellect and reasoning?
>>72943116
Because nothing begins out of nowhere for no purpose. How do people not believe?
>>72943520
You have at least some contradictory things though, like the age of the earth, the dinosaurs etc. If some things can be tested and aren't true, why should the rest of it be true?
>>72943695
I don't.
>>72943602
Does it though?
>>72943520
>they can't demand physical proof for something metaphysical
insane thoughts are considered psychosis in the real world if you can't prove them
>>72943796
>Because nothing begins out of nowhere for no purpose. How do people not believe?
Contradictory things in the bible, and how there seems to be no true way to believe given all the different kinds of religions, even Christianity has a lot of different splits.
Religion and science aren't mutually-exclusive topics. Only turbo fedora masters believe otherwise.
Think of the universe as a machine and science as the code it was written with. Now ask yourself who wrote the code, and why they'd leave a trail of breadcrumbs for us to discover.
It's pretty tough. I have to take a purely pragmatic view of all religion, my own included, hence I don't get into the "feelings" zone. I'd love too, but I'm pretty sure I'm a robot. That being said, I say confidently that Islam is one of the world's worst religions while they're telling me "all religion is good." So I have that going for me.
>>72943806
Most Christians know that the earth isn't 6,000 years old. An outstanding majority of us believe and accept things like evolution and the BB, but simply as things propagated by God as opposed to purely independent.
Religion and science are not mutually exclusive
>>72943806
If you research those topics in detail it starts to work out, but most people just stop as soon as they can say "see atheism is right!". Sort of like a Bernie Sanders supporter not counting Super Delegates and saying Bernie is winning; it's true to some extent, but wrong once everything is factored in.
>>72943865
There is non-physical proof. Learn about the Ontological and Teleological Arguments.
>>72943895
iajsfkjxa
>>72944021
So why be Christian if you don't believe the world of God?
>If you research those topics in detail it starts to work out, but most people just stop as soon as they can say "see atheism is right!". Sort of like a Bernie Sanders supporter not counting Super Delegates and saying Bernie is winning; it's true to some extent, but wrong once everything is factored in.
Same question for you.
>>72943265
Is this a new maymay?
>>72943520
cognitive dissonance
>>72944076
>Ontological and Teleological Arguments
There aren't any non psychosis level arguments to believe what peasants wrote in a book 2000 years a go in a desert m8
>>72944235
The Universe is 6,000 years old from a current perspective, but thing have aged at a rate of around 15 billion years. We must recognize that matter and energy bend space-time, and lower volumes of mass and energy can make time slow down. This is why as the Universe expanded we went through billions of years quickly, and then things slowed down. The Bible also hints strongly at the Universe expanding. So yes I believe in Science, and in the Word of God.
Ehhhhh, I'm not convinced about the 'religion btfo' meme that the fedoras try to push. Far more clever individuals than myself were devout (Christian) believers, but then, there are many individuals much more clever who are atheists as well.
Being agnostic is untenable, but if it weren't for the joos, we'd all be degenerate. Ethical monotheism is exclusively a product of the shekel counters, which is the foundation for our modern society.
Personally, I find "I, Thou" by Martin Buber to be one of the most profound books on the human condition.
> Inb4 falling for the literary Jew
Kek. The greatest writers, thinkers, scientists and leaders have all been Jewish. /pol/ btfo
Someones got to keep western civilisation alive.
Also it's nice to do something special for weddings, baptism, confirmation, funerals, christmas and easter.
>>72943116
Personally I was brought up in Catholicism but I have never really embrace it. I just like going to mass on Sundays and volunteering. Religion ain't so bad unless it's Islam or Jehova's Witnesses.
>>72944604
You're not interested in talking, and have no desire for the truth, only to infatuate your ego.
>>72943116
faith is necessarily unreasonable
and I think the belief that 'something came from nothing' is just as fantastical as 'god made everything' anyway
FAITH
>>72944235
The Old Testament is the Jewish bible, friend, and the bible never states the age of the world, nor the time span of creation.
Taking any biblical scripture literally is to miss the point, especially for the Old Testament.
Don't talk religion if you don't understand religion.
They compartmentalize.
For example, 4chan is the total antithesis to Most Christian values, and yet Christians shitpost relentlessly. They leave their values at the front door, enter, and express complete disregard for the Christian ethos. Two hours later they're in church being a moralfag.
>>72943116
It keeps me moral and humble when the situation calls for it
>>72943429
You need fairy-tales to have something worth living for?
That's so fucking depressing
>>72943520
>If you think Scientific advancement has changed anything, it hasn't. Science has nothing to do with religion, and cannot disprove it
Well, I guess no-one alive remembers when the Church taught that illness was god's disfavor and that the universe revolved around the Earth because of how special it is
>>72944076
>Ontological and Teleological Arguments
Really? That dumb "everything needs a creator, except the creator" shit? Are you memeing?
Fear. After the singularity, religion will become obsolete.
>>72943116
>Search Bach's 'st.Matthews passion'
>Find your Christianity again.
It's that simple
>>72946775
I had to do a report on your shitty isle and I want you to know it's shit
I want to be a Catholic but I can't take the Bible seriously
I guess I'll stick with being an agnostic cultural Christian
you need to ask The Holy Spirit for faith, just like you ask for wisdom or love
>>72945230
>Far more clever individuals than myself were devout (Christian) believers,
Both of the guys who discovered DNA's helical structure were hardcore atheists. James Watson said, "The luckiest thing that ever happened to me was that my father didn't believe in God."
Faith isn't relevant to cognition, or else it wouldn't be faith. Like, by definition.
I consider myself a Christian but I can't swallow much of the old testament as events that actually happened, a least as far as the pentatuch is concerned.
>>72946949
Disproving the opinions of Christians doesn't disprove the legitimacy of Christianity.
>>72947050
>I think something comes from nothing, but you're stupid for thinking there's a God.
Gas yourself you shitty Jew Island.
>>72946308
>Don't talk religion if you don't understand religion.
I'm trying to understand though. I didn't want a shitfest.
Do atheist believe in love, and I'm not talking about the neurochemical love
>>72947050
Kill yourself
science = discovering laws of God
move on
Only humans have the audacity to give god human traits. If there was a god we wouldn't even be able to comprehend its thinking
>>72947391
You're actually retarded
>>72943116
Tribalism. In Europe where its mostly homogeneous cultures religion became unimportant. In the US and also Northern Ireland there are various cultures that hate each other and religion is part of their identity.
Also there are some total retards.
Cognitive dissonance, mostly.
>>72948259
Unless we're related to God.
>>72943116
how can you not remain religious these days?
>>72943116
routine.
i try to pray daily. i really ought to read some of the bible every day. i do kind things for people every day, and i try always to remember to love everyone and catch myself when i fall victim to hate.
love, faith, and hope. above all, love.
>>72945340
> implying
Christians are the ones pushing for rapefugees the hardest
Only a bizarre faith in an other world where victims will be rewarded can justify bringing terrorist rapists to your town to attack your children
>>72948645
/thread
After I had read the Ecclesiastes I kindof connected more to my faith.
I can't really explain it
>>72943116
Most people who do anything do it because they enjoy the community.
Most people who joined the KKK didn't do it because they wanted to lynch niggers every day, they joined because they enjoyed the company of like minded people in a large men's club
Most people who go to Church don't do it because they legitimately believe the sky wizard is judging the actions and controls their destiny, they do it because they enjoy the company of like minded people in a family orientated community
I've never been to Church outside of weddings, baptism's and deaths and I don't really to intend do, nor do I believe in a Christian God but I still very much identify as culturally Christian because I've learnt my history and understand how important it is to Western society. Christianity is the universal constant that has been present throughout all European societies for the last 1500 years that keeps it together.
As for people who actually take the Bible literally? They were born into it and/or have been brainwashed.
>>72943116
because you can be progressive not despite, but because of the Bible
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLf-umCdAkg
>>72943520
smart american. thank you
>>72948890
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126802/Christians-likely-left-wing-liberal-views-immigration-equality.html
daily reminder
4chan makes it a lot easier to be honest.
Getting bombarded with atheist/anti-religion arguments actually helps.
>>72947707
Are you going to finish that sentence?
It's been 20 minutes. I don't have all day.
I'll give my reason:
After living on this Earth for 30 years I never really experienced any proof that God was real. However, on innumerable occasions I have experienced that the Devil was unbelievably real. The way it all works together, the way all these people pass notions in the best of interests only to lead to awful consequences is as if someone is able to see into the future to bring about suffering. The way that evil has been brought about could be compared to lottery odds. Anyways, if the the devil is real then newtons law and all of that.
There is a simple proof there is no G*d:
immoral and violent people always win, it happened here and happens all the time
turn your other cheek and they literally fuck you as much as they want
t. christcuck who by literally following Jesus fucked his own life
Satanism is they way to go, this is egoism on steroids so much helpful in liberal world
>>72943116
literally everything turning to shit since we are getting more godless with the day. And then you have this asshole muh religion
>>72943116
>implying socialism and environmentalism aren't religious cults
>>72943116
Dunno senpai.
I didn't. But I didn't become a militant atheist either. I go to church whenever it's important to my family (funerals weddings and stuff) but I don't believe.
Oh, and I never try to tell anyone else what to believe or not to believe.
I fucking hate Islam though and tell everyone I do. They agree and can't wait to play with sticks again.
>>72943520
if something has no presence in or interaction with the physical universe why should we pay attention to it?
>>72943116
their faith is unshakable, their will is made of iron
>>72949200
> more godless
> implying liberals are not following the real christian god: Entropy
a good dose of realism is what is needed, no more heavens for whoever has the biggest victim card, whoever is the biggest loser of the race of survival
>>72943176
That's backwards, yuropoor cuck.
>itt: reddit circlejerk
>>72943116
because abandoning religion leads us to this.
>>72946308
The whole Bible is one work, cuck. I bet you're Catholic.
Its plausible there could have been a creator of this universe. What isn't plausible is that creator would require you to sever part of your dick, confess your sins to some paedophile or bow at a direction 5 times a day.
Religious people are retarded because they can't see their religion is a cultural product.
Everyone has a God today, some believe in Lord Jesus while others are faithful servants of hedonism, materialism, capitalism etc.
>>72943878
>Contradictory things in the bible
Most of the messages in the bible are similar. It'd be more concerning if the books in the bible were identical.
>Christianity has a lot of different splits
People have always stumbled in finding the path to God, even the disciples of Lord Jesus.
Even the disciples
>>72949626
> Implying Jesus, the prophet of Entrophy, wasn't a virgin that encouraged his followers to become eunuchs, and saw desiring women as deserving of Hell
> Implying Jesus would not have a tumblr
>>72943116
by not being in a islamic caliphate like your faggot ass country.
Also by not spending all day on fucking 4chan!
>>72949761
Hedonism, materialism, capitalism are not killing Europe
Demented altruism, virtue signalling and socialism are
Religion is a handicap for the modern man if anything
>>72943116
You just need to worship the right god.
The Cosmic Jester
Lord Kek
>>72943116
>How do people remain religious these days?
how couldn't remain religious in these truly abhorrent times
>>72949921
Egalitarianism is entirely an atheist concept put forth by the secular French Revolution and Age of "Enlightenment".
>>72947308
The Bible isn't just one book, it's a collection of books. Each one is viewed differently.
Do you have any specific questions?
>>72947367
Nareszcie jakiś wierzący polak na 4chanu
>>72949378
Something can effect the Universe and have no trace. God being above the Universe would not need to leave a finger print unless he wanted to, however.
>>72949790
Why are you such a militant anti-theist, what has Christianity done to make you hate it so much?
>all these banking havens shilling against Jesus
oy vey
>>72943602
If you're a nigger
>>72943176
>>72950076
A surrender monkey in the flesh. Where does morality spring forth from, anon? Did it evolve into being? Tell me, what makes your morality the right one?
>>72943806
>You have at least some contradictory things though, like the age of the earth, the dinosaurs etc.
Bible never says Earth is 6000 years old, that's just man's interpretation of the Bible, which is something fallible.
Even creation as its stated in the Bible, people might interpret a bit too literally.
>>72943520
Well said .Science did not change we did.
>>72948781
Actually that's only the lifestyle evangelicals and clergymen who are a marginal cases and don't have any actual effect on politics. Your average person is a habit/cultural christian that doesn't let bronze age scribblings dictate their entire personality and all of their actions.
The real problem are fedoracore green-left degenerates who actively push for mass immigration. The ironic part is that their motivations are based on hatred of homogeneous, heteronormative western states instead of love for your fellow man like your imaginary "cuckstians".
>>72943116
>be affraid to die
>religion tells you there is life after death
>????
>profit
most religious people are blind to the fact that they believe because they cannot cope with their fear of death. every religion is a death cult.
>>72950026
Secular Egalitarianism is but a consequence of the Inversionism of Christianity, where the last is the first, and the first and the last, where those that wanna die, will live, those that wanna live will die, where you love your enemies, and hate your own family
Only a product of such demented framework spoused by Jesus would agree to something like importing violent enemies that will kill and rape your own children: the christian man is no man, he is a castrated self-flagellant, believing in the insane promise that heaven is not for the warriors, for the strong, for the ones that rise, but for the meek, for the wretched, for the helpless victim
Voltaire was right to denounce both Christianity and Rousseau as haters of mankind
>>72950393
>every religion is a death cult.
>be thoughtful and kind
>if you are strong you will live to a ripe old age
>work hard
I don't think this is a death cult.
>>72950393
>>be affraid to die
>>religion tells you there is life after death
>>go to hell worse fate then death
>>profit???
>>72948232
That's how it used to be viewed, during the Renaissance and areas around that time.
The church were the ones funding a lot of scientific experiments during some ages, but then eventually science decided to bite religion and deny it, and they split apart.
Its still a pretty recent thing that they're considered separate.
>>72950041
>Something can effect the Universe and have no trace.
no it can't. an effect is a trace. everything that exists in the universe obeys physical laws, so if God is sitting around enacting effects on things, where are these measurable effects uncaused by physical laws?
>>72949626
This is the reason why I think everyone should be Christian, because all these athiest liberal fags are much worse than anything a relgious fanatic nut could do. Fuck that post was cringey.
>>72943520
I love the "religion vs science" meme.
It's almost as good as the "christianity caused the dark ages" meme.
>>72950374
> your imaginary "cuckstians".
> imaginary
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2126802/Christians-likely-left-wing-liberal-views-immigration-equality.html
Never mind that the party of Merkel is LITERALLY the Christian Democrats is she calls herself a cultural christian
That you believe that the demented framework proposed by Jesus has zero effect on the real world is baffling
>>72947367
Kek, that's retarded
I'm just a Cultural Christian, that basically means I don't actually believe in the supernatural elements but agree with what it stands for. I don't remember ever believing in God, it's just not something I can do, I actually wish I could but I just cannot make that mental leap. I went through the typical edgy fedora phase in my teen years of course when I was convinced religion was literally the worst thing on Earth, but grew out of that slowly. Now I actually acknowledge the positive effect Christianity had on European society, the sad reality we live in is humans degrade themselves to abject degeneracy without something to keep them in check (like religion), you might like to think humanity would just want to act moral for the benefit of society and to be a good person but that isn't the case, religion was the thing keeping everything in check for thousands of years. Just look at how degenerate everything is now, it all stems back to a break away from the traditional Christian values that used to govern peoples lives. So yeah, now I just acknowledge what religion did for society and follow its teachings despite not believing in the supernatural elements. I also see it as an important part of culture and heritage, and something that brings families together. I honestly hope one day something clicks in my brain and I do actually start believing, because I'd be much happier that way.
>>72950484
Christianity tells you this life is worthless and everything good is in the afterlife
It tells you that nothing you do here aka good deeds matters and all that matters is that you continue to believe until you die
Its a 100% death cult without the koolaid element
>>72950587
Dawkins didn't say "this arabic invasion is a blessing for europe and the beginning of a new age"
It was the Pope
Your right-wing "christian" church that is more interested in saving Europe than turning its people into victims so that they can inherit Heaven, is a church that does not exist
The concerns of the churches are not with this world, with any civilization, with survival whatsover, all they want is for the Jewish War God to come back as soon as possible to destroy this world
>>72950649
????
I thought Merkel was Jewish?
>>72943176
>>72943865
Your view obviously comes from too much emphasis on Christianity. Judaism for example is a very tribal religion with many Jews being agnostic. Islam is very dogmatic to following literal godliness.
People intelligent enough to own and run largest banks and corporations are almost always religious to a certain degree. Protojudaic and masonic gnosticism are quite prominent religions in the "elite". They are "agnostic" religions with symbolism, stories, songs etc. so that people remember what they've learned more easily and feel communion while they're learning.
Symbolical short story can be much more versatile and wholesome for an individual than direct advice. Individuals always know what the direct advice for a situation is, they're just looking for a confirmation for their intuition when they ask advice. Symbolical teachings can give versatile angles and a common doctrine for your community.
>>72948645
Going to school I guess
>>72950505
don't be naive. everyone thinks they and their loved ones are going to heaven. nevermind the theology. it's the psychological aspect; relieving anxiety is what makes religion relevant.
>>72949921
Europe abandoned religion and it's the degenerate cesspool that we see today.
I'm from Eastern Europe and since religion still has a stronghold there, society is relatively normal. Western Europe is the result of a godless society.
If anything, you should be pushing the younger generation towards God.
>>72950887
but the pope is right everyone is turning from god its time for a wake up call with a good old testament slaughter
>>72950879
People get extra rewards based on what they've done on earth. If you believe in God, but act like a complete fucking faggot your entire life you're probably not getting much.
>>72948678
That's why you're on 4chan ? It's heretic by every religion standards
>>72950393
Christianity pushes us to be better humans.
>>72951054
Actually its the religous elements pushing for more syrians
Hell the pope is kissing their dicks i mean their feet as they come in invading
Because if you haven't noticed, meme magic is a very very real thing, and kek gives us the things we need.
>>72949192
You should probably read a Bible some time, since it feels like a lot of that is covered in there. Almost every character in the Bible suffered badly for their beliefs, and due to other people screwing them over. Turning the other cheek doesn't mean the other guy isn't going to screw you over, its an ideal about living correctly.
Earth isn't meant to be paradise, as long as humans are on Earth, they are going to suffer and most likely be the reason each other suffer.
Even though everyone else might fall into lusts or evils in the moment however, you can find strength that lasts beyond a moment, and obtain something immortal. Pain is temporary, giving into your evils on earth is temporary, all is fleeting, in order to better the world and seek something greater humans must always understand that their actions and evils do matter, and keep their eyes on eternity.
You won't try to get away with temporary evil or sin in the moment, or fuck others over so willingly, if you know there's something beyond the horizon that you must be watchful of, and that your actions really are known.
>>72950649
>‘First, religious people are more active citizens—they volunteer more, donate more to charity and are more likely to campaign on political issues.
>‘Second, and more counter-intuitively, religious people are more likely to be politically progressive.
>‘They put a greater value on equality than the non-religious, are more likely to be welcoming of immigrants as neighbours and when asked are more likely to put themselves on the left of the political spectrum.’
Correct, lifestyle evangelicals who have zero political pull are a lot more community oriented and prone to expecting the best from people. They're still not the ones destroying europe with mass migration. Their worst crime is donating to charity and going on missionary trips to africa.
Also CDU is as christian as DPRK is democratic and taking anything merkel says at face value is retarded.
>>72951024
its pretty hard to get in heaven god is very strict, no sex before marriage ,do i even have to go on
>>72951172
>Actually its the religous elements pushing for more syrians
That's just complete bullshit. Sure, religious institutions have fallen whim to the PC cuckold culture of today, but it is undoubtedly the young leftie atheists that refugees get the majority of their support from.
>>72951078
Slaughter of Europeans he surely means, insofar he is a loyal believer of the christian theory that those that die carrying their crosses, victims and those that live in mysery are the true people of God
For some bizarre reason, the "Christians" of /pol/ interpret Matthew 5:44 and Luke 14:27 as "slay your enemies in my name", instead of "submit to your enemies in my name"
>>72951169
Better humans = cucks?
u wut?
>>72949840
Did you find the loo though ?
>>72951169
sometimes... but self help is not the reason why christianity has prevailed for 2000 years. religion is a philosophical model. is a way of understanding our existence. a lot of aspects have to do with culture. and they would exist wether a comunity beleived in a God or not.
don't focus too much on what the bible say. look how people live their religion and you'll see that it is a set of tools to deal with life. sometimes it has horrible outcomes and brings out the worst in us.
this is true for all religions.
>>72943116
Literature and art, have you read Blood Meridian it's got loads of religious themes. The most delectable of art is religious, see Michelangelo's Pieta.
>>72951172
Wrong. Talk to any church attending Christians and most of them will be against this invasion. Hell, even my priest is outspoken against it (there's obviously some nutcases like Pope Francis).
The only people pushing for refugees is the same crowd at LGBTQ, atheist, Bernie, reddit or socialist rallies.
>>72950187
>what makes your morality the right one?
Are you arrogant enough to think your morality is universally the right one ?
idk, but Christian mythology is pretty fucking cool
>>72943895
This, the belief that religion and science are competing instead of complementing ideas is one of the worst memes thrust on humans.
>>72950824
It's the same for me. I can't believe but I recognise the value of Christianity to our society.
>>72951852
>mythology
>>72943176
First post best post
>>72951296
It said nothing about "lifestyle evangelicals": it was about religious people in general
> who have zero political pull
> are more likely to campaign on political issues.
> more likely
> more likely
> They're still not the ones destroying europe with mass migration.
They vote, and they tend to vote for Christian Democratic parties, which you say are not christian at all because they do... things that Jesus would actually support!! Like welcoming your enemies and sacrificing your own family if needed!
If your definition of Christianity is "people that care about civilizational survival in a world that is supposed to be destroyed by the Jewish War God in a few years", then it is a very bizarre definition
>>72951349
People are saved not through their actions, but through faith. All are unworthy if its just their actions taken into account, however its the faithful attitude that tries to better itself, is sincere, and humble while admitting fault that makes the difference.
God's not writing a check-list of what sins you've committed, all sin damns you or blackens you the same. God is also not judging you for your sin, rather sin is the thing that is separating you from him as he tries to get you back.
Its the attitude that seeks redemption in an earnest manner that finds forgiveness from sin. Its like with children, the problem isn't that they fucked up and broke the lamp, but if they tried to hide it or lie about it that only makes it worse. Finding redemption the proper way however will give them good favor, or forgiveness.
Although if you are faithful and loving of god, you will try to uphold his scriptures and commands. Therefore faith leads to action, but action alone will never save you.
God asks for very little in the end, just be earnest and humble towards him, try to not sin, uphold the scriptures, and if you sin you must ask for forgiveness and try to better yourself.
>>72951823
Yes I am. Are you mad?
>>72951350
Young leftie atheists = Voters of Green Party = around 7 % of all voters
7 % of voters don't set the political agenda
The main force pushing the recent re-opening of the british borders for syrian "children" was the church of england
>>72951505
>Slaughter of Europeans he surely means
offcourse god is going to slaughter the christfags with islam .He kills them before there are no christfags to save anymore, maybe we see the light maybe we dont who cares its probably the last days anyway
>at least that cuck pope did everything he could including licking feeth
>>72952056
muh palikot
>>72952232
A person calling themselves Christian doesn't make it so. You fedoras pull that trick all the time because you fear repercussion.
>>72952022
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_mythology
I didn't know Amerilards were this dumb
>>72952187
It is a pretty stupid position to adopt, dude
>>72952340
You think atheists pretend to be Christian sometimes?
>>72943116
I'm sure importing all those third world Muslims didn't help very much.
>>72952359
Well, I'll be stupid while you burn in hell, friend.
>>72952447
Of course they do.
>>72952187
Only the Sith deal in absolutes
>>72952354
Oh I see, desu senpai
English isn't even my language
I think metaphysical musings are ok, because it's speculation about what is beyond science.
But religion, as an organized thing where people go through rituals and pretend to know the truth with certainty and that there is a book that explains it all... I admit I don't know why some smart people still believe in that.
Pictured... smart guy who is catholic and teaches religion at sunday school at church.
>>72951797
If Christians really cared, they would depose their leadership
it is far from something limited to Pope Francis and the catholics
It was christian churches that gave the push that ended segregation, it was the puritan churches of the North that radicalized the population against the agrarian South, only religion can make people intervene into things that are not of their own concern at their own expense!
You really think that a freak trannie about to hang himself determines political reality?
That an old jew commie about to pass out and die is the reason Europe is being invaded?
When the one that opened the borders wide in Europe was the leader of the CHRISTIAN DEMOCRATS, with support from all the christian churches?
>>72943116
I started going to church to be part of a community and network for business purposes. The actual points of faith and the magical stuff is unnecessary.
Historically when the shit hits the fan the church is the last readout. You get your gun and join your congregation on the barricades on A day.
>>72943429
Your life is so meaningless otherwise, that you can't find a reason to live unless you pretend there's some deity watching your every move? Pretty pathetic
>>72943116
Because it makes them feel good, its is pretty stupid though
>>72952232
Uh, no, the majority of lefties vote Labour. Labour is pro-refugee.
>The main force pushing the recent re-opening of the british borders for syrian "children" was the church of england
I'd like to see a source for that.
>>72952340
I am pretty sure that people calling themselves Christians WHILE embracing the suicidal worship of the wretched, the helpless and the poor described in the Gospel, is a truer christians than any DEUS VULT larper in /pol/
>>72943796
I don't profess to know how the universe started, but it's a HUGE leap to go from "I don't know why things began" to "this particular holy book contains all of the secrets of the universe." It's retarded, why not admit you just don't know like the rest of us?
>>72952117
i am pretty sure that the bible talks about when you get judged there are books with your good and bad things, kinda like santa
>For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
>>72952650
https://www.churchofengland.org/our-views/home-and-community-affairs/asylum-and-immigration.aspx
>>72943796
So we don't know how this happened, Therefore ITS A MAGICAL SKY FAIRY WHO LOVES US ALL
>>72952650
Labour is not in government m8
https://www.churchofengland.org/media-centre/news/2016/04/digest-report-on-bishop's-asylum-call-for-child-refugees.aspx
5 days ago the Church started the petition, today Cameron gave in
>>72943116
Why do you care? Religious are a minority in Europe. And Atheism has been growing since the 19th Century.
>>72943895
I'll never rule out the possibility that there was some entity, incomprehensible to us, involved in the creation of the universe. But there's not a single good reason to believe that it's an Abrahamic-style God, that's nonsense.
>>72952593
So what are you saying? I should abandon Catholicism because its followers were trying to be good people?
>>72944607
I really hope you're trolling, because this is one of the most retarded and scientifically-illiterate posts I've ever read
>>72952841
>>72952902
I never once denied the CofE are a bunch of cucks, but to call them the "main force" pushing refugees is just fucking retarded and demonstrates how little you actually know about the political situation. The main force is our political elite and it has nothing to do with religion, it is entirely for their benefit, the CofE is merely going along with the views present in society brought about by the political elite.
>>72949921
/thread
“With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”.
>>72947207
Thank you for this
>>72947050
>we know God exists because we have a concept of God
Descartes is seriously a retard
>>72948187
Solid argument from the religion fag
>>72953187
Well no. The "good people" to do evil things takes scapegoating. And it is an evil that is inherent in every human and something that religions focus on. The story of Adam and Eve is an example of such a story.
>>72951054
>I'm historically-illiterate: the post
You can't reduce historical events to a single variable, you absolute retard
>>72953187
>I look down on religious people while still believing in stupid things like good vs. evil
ISHYGDDT
>>72953121
I am pretty sure they are an incredibly powerful force if Cameron had been saying no for 4 months now, and the CoE only needed 5 days to make him say Yes
Christianity turns men into cucks, and cucks into dirt
>>72953042
The problem is far from just catholicism
The problem is that if the morality of a religion turns productive people into enablers of populational growth of improductive, wretched people, it becomes a demographic self-destruction device
"Good" under Christian Morality is the enemy of "Sane"
I say that Europe and its descendants anywhere in the world need to get rid of such cage of morality or it is going to end very bad
>>72953121
We don't have much refugees in France, so I don't know who is the main force behind the crisis. I can merely observe who push for refugees in Germany and in the UK, and the Church of England push for it
>>72951141
im mostly here to pass the time between doing homework and working.
cant fall behind the times, yknow?
though i do agree, these people need jesus
>>72953512
When it is the very fabric that built the said civilization you can.
>>72953533
Atheism turns men into women. Christianity is all that holds the United States together.
>>72953539
Isn't France only like 80% native French?
>>72953657
ahahahahahaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
There's this little thing you might have heard of, the Enlightenment? Or how about the industrial and technological revolutions? How about the age of ideology?
This isn't the 10th century you retard
>>72951797
>LGBTQ, atheist, Bernie, reddit or socialist rallies
so basically millennial leftists?
Not all atheists are leftists. I share most of my moral positions with Christians but don't believe in God.
pic related.
>>72953794
Yes, I made mention of it several posts ago, leaf. You're a dense fool who has no concept of history or culture. Enjoy Ahmed's cock, presented by Trudeau.
>>72953766
It's not because of the refugees, we have had a lot of immigrants since the 60's.
>>72953657
Jesus didn't invent shit beyond a retarded moral system where the wretched and helpless are superior to the rich and strong, and your enemies more important than your blood family
Greeks and Romans created western civilization, not arameic jews
The word Civilization itself comes from latin, not from hebrew
>>72943116
Good families.
>>72953819
All Leftists are atheists. I don't care what they say they are, the two are incompatible.
By continually retreating into the gaps of scientific knowledge.
Look, if your Abrahamic shit didn't hinge on belief in magical historical events that can and have been refuted as false. .
because atheism isn't the proven fact that you think it is, friend
>>72953867
You would literally be laughed out of any historian's office if you tried to say that all of Europe's modern problems are a result of losing their religion. You're a retard, plain and simple
>>72953910
European Civilization came from Christianity, you dense kike.
>>72953763
> Atheism turns men into women
Thousands of men castrated themselves to be full followers of Jesus
I have yet to know about a single person that removes his own balls in the name of Atheism
> Christianity is all that holds the United States together
That is a baffling concept, given that many of the founding fathers were deists, and they actively tried to separate church and state
If the founding fathers were Ted Cruz, they would have created a theocracy, not a liberal republic
>>72954021
You are an incompetent teenager who has no concept of history or culture outside of government education.
>>72954034
> calls me kike
> his religion was brought to Europe by two kikes
wat
>>72943796
So where did your god come from?
>>72954118
Christians voted in Trump. Your argument is irrelevant.
Arguing with fools is quite tiresome.
>>72953968
>All Leftists are atheists
The majority of young leftists are, yeah, but what does that have to do with what I said?
>>72943806
The catholic church (largest Christian denomination in the world) accepts evolution and The Big Bang theory as scientific facts. The big bang theory and evolution were both first proposed by Christians.
This is why people dislike condescending atheists. They presume to know all there is to know about others faiths, when they clearly haven't even researched the basic facts.
>>72954163
Kek, I'M the retard for saying that history is a little more complicated than
>muh christianity
Nice one buddy
>>72954178
I would bet money that you are genetically a kike.
We have standards.
>>72954320
Right-wing atheists are practically non-existent in statistical terms.
>>72951289
The whole fucking country should turn to satanism. No way we get cucked again.
In Japan they have no G*d and look how prosperous they are.
No such thing, this is just mean of control.
>>72943116
Do their thing and don't give a fuck about what others say.
>>72953968
Jesus created a moral system that was explicitly leftist, declaring that the last is the first, and the first is the last, and the wretched is holier than the rich
Leftists can easily embrace Christianity, and they often do (from Peter, to Thomas Müntzer, to the current Pope, they are hundreds of examples of leftist forms of politics intermingled with christianity and world denialism)
But rightist christians find themselves in a logical contradiction, trying to care about the survival of a civilization in a world that is sentenced to destruction in a few years by the Jewish War God anyways
>>72954537
>Right-wing atheists are practically non-existent in statistical terms.
In the USA. Not in Europe
I work in a science lab and over 1/2 the employees are Christian. There idea the religious = dumb needs to die, hell at my church most people are doing/did very well with their lives.
>>72953794
The Enlightenment was brought on by religious philosophers and was a movement deeply rooted in religion and philosophy.
>>72954537
Which is the main reason why the Right is in such state of disarray
Unless they can secede from this apocalyptic cult, they are fucked
>>72954318
The deeply christian states of the midwest and rocky mountains voted against Trump tho. Not sure what arguments you are trying to make
>>72954443
> Peter
Jesus himself said he was sent to the tribe of Israel, and called an aramaic samaritanian woman a dog
You worship a jew m8
What is wrong with being right-wing atheist? Atheism is the position that there are no gods, not even political stance.
>>72943602
Only way to keep your moral barometer stable.
>>72951852
Norse is far better IMO.
>>72943116
>2016
>people believing in talking snakes
>>72943116
By actually having faith.
>>72954378
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stfu Mussolini lost the second war u faggot
>>72955613
>All Christians take the creation accounts literally
Wew. Most of them don't. Learn something about the religion you're trying to shit on
>>72955804
Eh..What?
>>72954756
>yurope
>right-wing past the 1980s
topkek
>>72955979
Economy is a crappy measure for right vs left spectrums
Right vs Left is more cultural than anything
Simpliflied, it simply means: do you want more niggers/sandniggers or not?
>>72954938
>midwest
>more christian than the south
More fool rambling.
>>72956081
>everything is relative
This is why atheists are the height of foolishness. I wasn't even referring to economics.
>>72943806
>atheists still hold the """""math""""" of some monk as an argument against religion
Little pro tip, the bible does not list the age of the earth. In fact if it is to be taken as the word of God dictated to the chapter authors and God is said to experience days as years and so on then the whole "exact timetable" thing becomes kind of pointless.
>>72950887
By that i meant Christian morals, and hell, start a crusade to purge the slate clean, because the pope isn't looking out for what is best, but rather letting them conquer through politics and "social progressivism"
>>72956089
The outright majority wins and blowouts for trump were in the more secular northeast
Virginia, South Carolina, Lousiana saw Trump average between 30 and 40 % with Cruz right behind
>>72943116
OP, I was raised Methodist, became pretty much agnostic in high school/college and then found Christ through the help of a friend after I was an adult. If anything, the degeneracy of society today reinforces my belief in the need for people to understand the Word of God and serve him. Secular humanism has utterly failed.
>>72956423
Where are you getting the christian morals from?
The gospel is more "the meek will inherit the earth, the strong will fall, submit to your enemies, give them your shirt if they steal your coat, those that love the things of this world will be damned" and no "deus vult" (except, bizarrely enough, when it comes to destroying your own blood family)
>>72943116
By putting their faith into a higher power, not just a "God" of some sort.
As with everything, if you go too far you stop seeing reality and give in to false ideals and ideas, such with Mormons and Jehova's Witnesses. They might see what is happening, but they do not take the right course of action.
>>72943176
FPBP
>>72955813
>T-Those Parts of the b-bible were j-just stoires, everything else was r-real!
If one account was made up, whats to say the rest wasn't.
>>72958514
cognitive dissonance is a hell of a drug
>>72946607
How is free speech against Christian values? You realized Christ associated with lepers , the lame , and prostitutes. This is a beautiful place for exchange of all ideas ,
And that is always welcome.
>>72958514
>If one account was made up, whats to say the rest wasn't.
Better way to say it. You cant pick and choose. All true or none of is true.
>>72943116
You say that like the overwhelming majority of people aren't religious
>>72943176
fpwp
>>72943520
This. The two deal with different questions. The advancement of science no more invalidates religion than it does poetry.
The expression “gut instinct” is claiming that one’s digestive tract can make value judgments. The scientific knowledge that the brain controls cognizance doesn’t make the literary expression any less potent or meaningful.
Apply the same thinking to religion. C.S. Lewis is particularly eloquent at debunking what he calls "Chronological Snobbery", The belief that somehow, everything is different now because some arbitrary number of years/months/days/hours/minutes/seconds have passed. Basically, he was mocking "THIS CURRENT YEAR" before /pol/ was.
>>72954537
Did you mean to say that all atheists are leftists?
>>72959833
One shall not forget Francis is pushing for more shitskins, Dawkins is not
>>72953187
Perfect
>>72943520
I agree Science <> Metaphysics
But you also have to agree Metaphysics <> Religion.
I saw this in a near death experience
>>72943796
Except for god, apparently. You really didn't think that through, huh?
>>72943520
>if u come up with thing
>and thing cant be proved
>and u cant prove thing
>that mean thing exists
Religitards everyone.
>>72961436
>No it does not mean that
religitards everyone
