What the fuck is happening to this country, STEM majors are being fucking left in the dust, racking up debt, while everyone else is making bank. What jobs can one even get with a STEM major? Research? Internships? Those don't make money. Liberal art majors are way more better off because of their connections they make.
Just kidding, physics major here switching over to Computer Engineering/ Electrical engineering, help me out pol brothers which one makes more bank. Literally picking jobs for monetary reasons and not enjoyment.
I would go EE but if you really wanna make some bank go for genetics. Its going to be huge m8.
>doing shit for money
I mean that's half of it, you have to want it too senpai.
EE is going down the tubes (although still a high tier major), CE is going nowhere but up. If you have the chops, CE is by far the better choice.
every stem degree is lucrative if you can make industry connections early on. ie be personable and not autistic and you'll succeed.
>>72922495
Genetics? Really? How so?
Literally got no idea what EE is about (besides the obvious name implications) but seriously considering it.
>>72922565
I am perfectly fine working 40hrs a week at a job I hate and not being in debt than working at a job I love and being in debt. I think working at a job I love over the years would just eventually make me learn to hate what i love.
>STEM
You mean
Sociology
Theatre
Education
Music
>>72922576
Really? What do you mean by the chops? Forgive my ignorance but is CE just making hardware and circuits or is it much more deeper than that? I assumed EE is circuits and shit.
>>72922579
>STEM
>not autistic
pick one
>>72922676
You say this now...
chemistry master race
daily reminder that physicists are autistic shits, maths is dumb, bio is literally not science, and engineers are simply trained monkeys.
>>72922959
trained monkeys that make bank
gotta be hardworking and smart for chem bruv
>>72922824
And I'll say it in the future. I witnessed my dad wake up every morning at 4 am and work 12 hours for me, after sleeping for zero hours every night, with a plethora of problems, pain, acid reflux, insomnia, etc. For 18 years.
If I'm ever feeling like a pussy I will remember that my father literally wasted his life away for me, so I could have a future and I will do the same for my family in the future if it comes to it. But work isn't your whole life imo.
>>72923022
that's why it's master race
You only need one of those two for engineering
>>72922711
CE is software, hardware, circuits, math, etc. It's everything. You'll need to be able to wrap your head around several programming languages, hardware design from the bit level to microprocessor and embedded system design, on top of graduate level math (but if you've done physics for a year or two, that shouldn't be an issue). It's very difficult and time consuming. I wouldn't call it the most difficult major out there, but be prepared to spend dozens of hours a week studying material and also applying things to labs and projects outside of class.
I have a BSE in CE btw
>>72922318
You don't have to go into a STEM job with a STEM major. When I was job searching after getting my MechEgr Bachelors I got so many companies hitting me up with Finance and Accounting opportunities. I also got several opportunities for just regular jobs that didn't pay well but were better than minimum wage.
I eventually got a STEM job, but it took a few months and a lot of searching and honing skills in the mean time.
>>72922318
Why picking up best arrow girl?
>>72922318
>he fell for the STEM meme
>>72923143
Damn... I'm already struggling with entry level of physics (namely circuits and shit...) . But at this point CE or EE is the only major I can go into without losing a year in college. By the end of my college life I'm going to be approx 90k in debt so w/e.
Maybe not the best major for me I guess. And holyshit BSE? Nice.
All STEM majors at my university (VT) are autistic spergs or lonely autistics. Worse than my lazy nigger roommate is almost as bad.
>>72922318
I'm an Electrical engineer, was planing to apply for a visa because I saw an opening that match my qualifications, in Texas, Odessa, I think
But whit Trump winning I guess I'm outta luck, you could try it
You could also specialize in industrial control, PLCs and all that, not that difficult and pays well
>>72923372
no ideal what industiral control and PLC is but Ill look into it
Whats wrong with trump senpai. Work visa isn't illegal.
>>72923301
your fucked m8. if you cant do first year physics, engineering may not be for you
>>72922632
my brother is in EE. unless you were a child prodigy math genius, dont take it. especially if you want to do it just for the money.
>>72923301
It's absolutely brutal, but worth it. Ignore the "stem meme" people. I had 80k a year job offers while I was still in my senior year. I graduated Magna Cum Laude and had internships, but I knew guys that were relative slackers hovering around 3.0 that had no problem getting comfortable jobs immediately out of school with EE or CE too.
>>72922318
In Trumps america non of us are fucked anon =)
>years ago, everyone said only the STEM fields would be employable
>everyone took STEM majors
>oh shit, now the STEM jobs are overbooked
It's lawyers all over again.
>>72923527
damn, TRADE WORK IT IS
>>72923642
I'm no math genius and I never made less than an A in a math or engineering course. In exchange my soul and sanity was taken, but point being with enough devotion and more than a little bit of obsession, unless you're just plain retarded you can get through engineering.
>>72922318
Ok then, what majors earn jobs that make the most amount of money with the least amount of effort?
>>72923449
Programmable Logic Controllers, they're used to control the automated lines in factories.
Technicians here live well with that career, I'm guessing in the US you could make bank
Industrial control is that but using more software's that I don't really know about, I'm a transformers and power-lines kinda guy
I heard work visas would be harder to get with Trump, but maybe they're just rumors, not sure
>>72923125
>Woke up at 4am
>After zero hours sleep
STEM everybody
>>72923939
thats what i want to know desu senpai
Fuck off back to /biz/ you peice of shit lazy college kid.
You are the antithesis of millennial entitlement; Read: DO YOUR OWN FUCKING RESEARCH you goddamn Bernie.
>>72923785
>STEM jobs are overbooked
That's an incredibly broad and overall inaccurate statement. STEM graduates are still rare overall, with certain concentrations (mainly engineering obviously) being more in demand than ever.
There is a world of difference between a math major, IT guy, and an engineer.
>>72922632
Insurance companies want to require genome sequencing before coverage is given. Also, sections in Obamacare that recommend building a genetic databank.
Unless the right pulls itself together, gets over that fear factor and stands up to the cuckservatives and repeals obamacare
>>72923992
My bad, I wasn't clear. He would fall asleep and wake up around 10-30 mintues afterwards and couldnt sleep for the next 3-4 hours often times. This happened most nights, only nights he got uninterrupted sleep was when he was really happy.
>>72922959
daily reminder that science is either physics or stamp collecting :^)
>>72922495
Going for this, but I have stumbled upon a good deal, which is abnormal to say the least.
>>72924166
at least i make bank stamp collecting :^)
>>72923849
This. I'm not a math whiz either but people seem to think I'm pretty good at CE. My "secret" is a mixture of passion and an iron clad work ethic. If you like the material you can overcome your weaknesses by working your literal ass off. Just be prepared to make sacrifices along the way.
>>72923242
>He didn't read the whole post.
>>72923785
this
Economics major who is probably fucked in the long run here. The only safety I can see is mastering a trade.
>>72923970
he just doesnt want you sneaking in. Come in the right way and you'll be fine.
>>72922959
>math is dumb
>waahh calc 2 was too hard for me what science doesn't need math
>>72924329
Trades have a lot of negatives too. Welding and other shit like that is being taken up by illegals and being undercut and there is always a drop in the winter. Trade isnt exactly the most safest choice even though its made out to seem like the best one atm.
>>72924381
what the fuck are you on? Any decent chem program you need through calc 3 and several other types of math
>>72924535
do chem majors even do multivariable calc and shit?
Every chem major at my school asks me for fucking help on their basic ass calc hw on integrating lmfao
>>72924797
At my school, we do two quarters of multivariable calculus, a quarter of linear algebra, and a quarter of differential equations
>>72923642
>>72923527
ignore these posts, unless you are planning on doing R&D, math isn't going to get much more complicated then introductory algebra and ODE/PDE which a computer will solve for you anyway
so basically
>blue collar work and trades being taken up by illegals
>IT is all poos in loos
>STEM requires 5+ years of experience for entry-level work
what the fuck are we supposed to do? draw furry porn on patreon?
Here in Quebec at least we're not getting in debt.
I'm getting a STEM degree for free with an extra 5k/year from scholarships. I'll finish my degree with 30-50k in the bank from working and debt free.
>>72925051
literally jealous of canada
>if i lived in canada i could cut off my gyno for basically free
>>72922959
>daily reminder that physicists are autistic shits, maths is dumb, bio is literally not science, and engineers are simply trained monkeys.
I agree that chem is the master race, but the physicists r smart and bio is a super important science that you are missing out on unless you have a heavy biochemistry focus. Biology is the future, but chemistry will always be an important, lucrative field. They need us to make all the stuff.
>>72924939
meant to say linear algebra
>>72922959
Daily reminder that a physicist can derive your whole major
t. Engineering major
>>72925010
Enter the funeral home industry. Blacks are too scared to work there, and no other culture on Earth has a funeral process like the US, keeping out most foreigners.
As long as you don't mind cleaning out dead bodies and comforting widows.
t. Someone who's family has owned a funeral home since the early 1800s
>>72925356
Daily reminder that a physicist can't do that if he's dead because he starved and couldn't find a job
>>72924535
There's not much chemistry at the undergraduate level that would ever require calc 3. You need linear algebra and mild integral/derivative calculus for quantum chemistry and some parts of thermodynamics, chemistry at that level is mostly very simple math. It's just complicated to interpret the problems and turn them into math.
>>72925361
being that close with death would give me depression
depressed bros get up in there tho
>>72925434
That is true, but still any decent program will prepare you for grad and make you do some more difficult math. It's good for your analytical skills too.
>>72923143
CE curriculum is overkill. It's like 2 majors in one and impossible to fulfill the requirements in 4 years. You end up some generalist and later have to study a lot to specialize.
>>72922495
>Its going to be huge m8.
Not in the West, lel
Muh ethics is holding it back, and isn't going to let go anytime soon. If you're cool with moving to Korea, then sure. Go for genetics. Otherwise, forget about it.
>>72925578
Most engineering majors feel that way except for the pseudo ones like environmental engineering
>>72922318
>Literally picking jobs for monetary reasons and not enjoyment.
What is a hobby, alex
>>72923368
do you go to school in california?
>>72925356
THIS. He is doing essentially physics but he does not know the math to describe it.
t. BME engineering with MaterSci background
>>72925361
Vital service to AMERICANS. Thankless job. Niggers are afraid of funerals and water. I will make videos of nigs at the Gulf this year and post here. We love to smoke Alabama Kash and go to the beach to watch Niggers play in ankle deep water! You will laugh your ass off! We do!
I'm doing ECE next spring wish me luck stem bros
>>72925715
I do lol, a UC
>>72925695
Work is work, hobbies are hobbies, don't make your hobbie ur job unless u can make bank. DONT MIX BUSINESS AND PLEASURE
>>72925520
Like what? There's nothing heavy than basic calculus and linear in undergraduate level chemistry. Unless you're a physical chemist you don't really use a lot of math even at the graduate level, and even then it's often more programming and computer stuff these days. It's really more about understanding the principle of chemistry.
I like chem because it's easier than physics or biology, but a lot of people don't 'get' it and seem to be confused by it.
>>72925841
What UC? UCLA here
>>72922676
Poor kid.. I was like you once. Then I realized I hated what I was doing, where I was, and the people I worked with. And ff to today, I am in the exact same boat.
I want to die.
>>72925433
>25433â–¶
>>>72925356
>Daily reminder that a physicist can't do that if he's dead because he starved and couldn't find a job
he thinks a chem major is more employable than a physics major
>>72923372
>>72923970
>>72923372
I can confirm. I work for the state at a utility district. ICS infrastructure and PLC is good, light work, good pay, benefits and a pension.
I work in IT Security and interface with the instrument techs, they're jobs are almost as easy as mine ;)
>>72925924
UCSC
:(
tfw went to ucsc soley bc of insane astrophysics program realized I wouldn't make bank and now too split between going a community or cheaper colelge in hometown san diego and leaving all my friends I made or just saying fuck it transferring is stresssful af anyway
>>72925963
>>72925752
>>72925356
>mfw tutoring my physics major friend through general chemistry
I understand that it's not as pure a science but a lot of physics majors completely lack the ability to make it in chem.
>>72925939
but ur not in debt doe
life is gud senpai
I mean honestly as long as I have something outside of my job I think I will be fine, hell its a JOB. A hobby, a wife, kids, or even good friends and I'll be good.
>>72925986
You should transfer here, they take a lot of people from other UCs.
>>72925981
how does one get into IT?
my father does that and is a system admin for an engineering company in houston or something like that and makes bank. Is it just CERTS?
>>72926049
chem is just basic/low tier physics.
>>72925841
Berkeley, Irvine, or UCLA?
I'm going for an Accounting Major, how fucked am I?
>>72926100
couple of my friends go there, (buff asians ofc) so wouldn't be a bad idea, but I'm not sure I would even get in. Transferring requires a somewhat decent gpa and my GPA tanked 1st two quarters from some family stuff.
>>72926148
t. wouldn't survive a day of orgo
>>72926215
Are you a freshman?
>>72926162
none of the above
ucsc, the lesser one
tfw got into irvine but didnt go and now im missing all that fobby pussy
>>72926049
>I understand that it's not as pure a science but a lot of physics majors completely lack the ability to make it in chem.
The other dude's right though chem is not too employable these days unless you're boss as fuck at it. The good thing is it's not that hard to get boss as fuck at it and not many people put in the work to do it, so you can.
Ultimately though a bio degree is plan for the future in STEM fields. Molecular biology is probably going to bring you the closest to the forefront of science these days. The problem is you have to be down with memorizing ridiculous amounts of information.
>>72926248
Hey, at least you don't go to Riverside or Merced
>>72926050
It really helps to have an interest in it. Otherwise you start to loathe the work, and the people who also chose it. Please don't be like me.
>>72925939
Same here. I made some major changes over time and now on a different path and happier and will be progressively happier for the foreseeable future.
We do all these things that make ourselves miserable because we think we're supposed to for reasons.
>>72926285
sorry but most of my school's 10000 molecular bio majors are fucked unless they go to med school
It's the field people who don't like science choose. Serious life science people take biochemistry or genetics/immunology.
>>72926285
I think all of your fields will eventually die off due to machine learning/AI research, sooner than most people think. Not meant as a provocation.
>>72926516
I think he meant biomolecular engineering or bioengineering
>>72922318
my chemistry teacher in highschool explained this shit to us years ago
either your the guy in the lab working on shit, or your his boss, sailing on a yacht
STEM are just higher tier plebs
>>72926616
In that case, he's probably right. All shitposting aside, I chose chem because I'm really good at it and I enjoy it, not because of the very mediocre job prospects. idgaf if I can get a job in it, I'm planning to go to law school and be unemployed afterwards anyways
>>72926707
Chem isn't as such a field cause its a much older industry, but if you have passion for it, you can definitely make it work. Don't put too much emphasis on money, if you are good at your chosen field, money will come. best of luck anon
>>72926109
IT is easy, anyone can get entry level from a couple of certs. Progressing in a career will require more advanced certifications, a degree, and/or demonstrable knowledge.
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>>72922318
Come join us in EE - technical cybernetics, control theory, measurement. Specially measurement can be a good moneymaker.
>>72926246
yep
>>72922318
>makes me more bank.
That's such a Reddit phrase. Alongside such greats as 'I love me some' and 'still rocking these'
Pure cancer
>>72927012
Assuming you're the same guy at UCSC, you can probably fix it pretty easy. I got a 3.2 and 3.4 first two quarters and a 4.0 each quarter since then.
>>72926490
fuck this is a really good pooint
>>72923939
>>72924061
>I want to make a lot of money without working for it
kill yourselves
>>72927195
yea im on the road to fixing it rn, just feel like its gonna be a while
>>72922495
EE is a bad fucking call. The number of EE jobs are expected to shrink. We're going to see a decline in the number of IT jobs as well (operations, data admins, programmer analyst, code monkeys, etc), but software engineering jobs (sde) are expected to grow.
>>72923939
Major in GIS or Geograohy with a GIS minor. It's not hard and you can make lots of dosh if you have GIS skills.
I have an internship this summer, full-time, paid ($18.35 an hour), and the workload is not going to be much.
>>72927347
based on what?
>>72927753
the hell is that and how is the job market
>>72928118
Reality.
http://www.computerworld.com/article/3017196/it-careers/u-s-predicts-zero-job-growth-for-electronics-engineers.html
>>72923970
I'm starting to wonder what the Mexican media is telling it's people. He's not pushing to block legal immigration.
>>72926246
Chemistry is easy as shit m8. The only reason your friend needs help in learning it is because he is literally retarded.
>>72929092
probably
>>72923152
this actually makes me pretty happy
if i have the option after graduating with Mech E to get into NYC or Chicago finance, I will seriously consider taking it
>>72922318
Electrical Engineering. Computer Engineering is not a thing - that is just a Comp Sci degree that is harder to market. There are only 4 marketable engineering specialties in undergad in the US. Civil, Mechanical, Electrical and Chemical. Diverge from these in undergad at your peril. If you want to specialize, do so in a masters program.
>>72923242
>engineer
>wage
understand that a "wagecuck" is somebody working on an hourly basis
engineers are salaried. engineers with experience are often their own bosses in many firms
>>72923242
Pepe is a douche!
>>72923368
yeah if you do stem you are pretty much resigning yourself to having no social life. this is a given
really all you can do is make friends with people in your program and stay close. otherwise you are fucked socially
that said, when you graduate you are a social class higher than your average degenerate (you), and women know this
>>72923785
LOL
first you act like doing well in a STEM program is easy
how many 18-22 year olds are willing to fully surrender any semblance of social life to dedicate themselves completely to the mastery of engineering science?
engineering major itself is a 40-50 hour a week endeavor. it is your entire life and consumes pretty much every waking moment
yeah sure you can crawl out of a program with a 2.5 major but you are pretty much unemployable.
lots of corporations don't even look at resumes below a 3.4 GPA
>>72922318
Physics major? Go into finance. Work for a hedge fund like Renaissance Technologies if you're good enough. Only go into computers if you enjoy working with Raj, Venkatesh, and Sushmita (one of them will probably be your boss).
>>72922318
>choosing your career based on money
>not choosing doctor/politician
wat
>>72922959
>bio is literally not science
Please, motherfucker. Biotech workers will be curing major disease, altering people genetically and physically, and vacuuming up a huge portion of the world's wealth over the next 50 years.
Hope you enjoy making some new form of vulcanized rubber or petroleum derivatives or whatever shit it is you do. Sounds boring as shit, desu.
>>72926654
>he listens to high school teachers
you realize that pretty much the biggest faggots in any given generation go on to be high school teachers right
i would literally rather tattoo myself to the eyeballs and play in a shitty punk band until i gracelessly expire on meth and alcohol at age 42 than wake up at 6am everyday to go to my 40k a year bullshit job
>>72929841
And none of them will be doing it without one of the following: PhD, MD/PhD, or Chemical Engineering degree. Anything with "Biotech" in it at the undergrad level is a meme major.
>>72929631
This.
If you want money finance is where it's at.
>>72930520
are u kidding half of the females here who dont know what to do are going into business/econ/finanace majors
Going into college this fall, someone tell me what majors related to STEM actually have a future, im considering aerospace eng and biomech eng, probably gonna go EE
>>72923970
>Programmable Logic Controllers
aren't you guys using DC instead of PLCs or is that just the burgers?
Going to see more and more linux embedded here, they were never so safe as it was stated...
>>72930805
They hire people who know how to code and understand math, not economics.
>>72922318
I was wondering what you meant
>>72923242
>waifus and asceticism on the same side
are you even trying to make sense?
