>Climate change isn't real
Top fucking kek
So just picture this retards,
Climate change isn't as severe as we thought but we go through with preventive measures
>Oh well, I mean that wasn't as urgent as we thought but at least we have a cleaner and more efficient energy system!
Climate change is happening and we do nothing
>Massive sandnigger and nigger migrations to Europe cause of no food or water and eventually we all die
>>72908735
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/35860-as-climate-disruption-advances-un-warns-the-future-is-happening-now
More important that climate change is how weak our infrastructure is. That routine storms cause routine devastation, still to-this-day, lends credence to the alarmism about what will happen to our civilization if global warming of a few degrees does happen.
>>72908735
>more efficient energy system
Here's where the lie is
If we concede to every demand climatefags have, our access to energy and standards of living related to it will drastically decrease, that is a fucking fact.
It is already too late. Let's sit back and burn this motherfucker
>>72908735
A BURNING LEAF
>>72908735
>what is summer
>>72908735
>Canada
Top fucking kek
>>72908735
climate change is 100% real.
human impact on climate change isn't
Complaining about climate change is no different than complaining about season change.
Why would prevent global warming?
You don't want to see the great collapse?
>>72908735
>China
>India
Go fix them first, you have the most of em inside of you Canada.
>>72912329
This exactly. Who fucking thinks humans effect the world
climate change is real but
who cares?
>>72908735
what do your preventative measures entail though? to make any significant impact you'll have to get the third world on board, and good fucking luck convincing China to give up the dirty energy their livelihood fucking DEPENDS on so we can prevent the temperature from rising a few degrees over the next hundred years. it simply isn't worth it. switch to nuclear or accept climate change, those are the only two viable options.
>>72912239
>425,000 year time scale
>human civilization only created writing some couple thousand years ago
Gotta keep the time scales at least some what relevant to human civilization.
>>72908735
you can't stop it tho
the idea that you can is just second-level retardation
keep going, grasshopper
>>72912639
Free energy isn't viable simply because we're shekelmasters and our shit would collapse. Keep burning the coal tho.
If all goes wong we will all die.
If all goes well we'll be forced to learn how to terraform our own planet, which most likely we'll succeed at. System colonisation soon.
>>72912639
Nuke China
Nuke Indians
Destructive shitlords.
I mean we could fail but we might as well try to get them on board
>>72912329
>>72912431
Many, many climatologist.
I couldn't give a fuck if man made climate change is real
You mother fuckers can't tell me whether or not it's going to rain on sunday, and now you want to tell me the fucking world is doomed because some alluminum cans?
Okay, let's say it does affect the world, I'll bite. What do you want me to do?
Buy a prius? Pay a carbon tax?
You dumb fucks want the people to pay for it while corporations fucking dump their slime into rivers and oceans while brainwashing you into thinking it's your fault.
Fuck off.
>>72908735
epin copypasta I made and keep posting in these threads because you dumb faggots can never come up with answers that aren't "hurr just google it m8 like a lot of scientists agree but never published their methodology or anything, they just agree so appeal to authority":
Prove it is:
A: happening (which I don't doubt).
B: can be directly linked to human actions like burning fossil fuels
C: post specifics, how the parts the humans are doing is actually significant. Like what percent is our fault.
D: post specifics, about just how fast "climate is changing" since "global warming" is no longer the meme term. I want real statistics like "we are getting X warmer every year and I will have to worry about it in Y years becuase Z happened and is devastating"
E: post specifics, about just why I should give two fucks if hipsters faggots have to move their shitty cities 2 miles inland while I pay for retarded infrastructure that would probably cost more
F: if all of that is all real and shit, why I would care if it's as tragic as the lefty faggots think, when they're all just destroying our countries and children's futures with mass immigration of mudslimes and taconiggers and increased socialism to support these subhumans
G: Explain how wind turbines that are complete and utter shit, cost more fossil fuels to build and transport and assemble and shit than they save over their liftime and only work in wind, but not too much wind so you have to use tradition power sources anyway, how solar isn't complete shit that get ruined by dust, only works during the day, without clouds or fog or any retard with an umbrella is within 20 miles
H: Explain why we should be pouring billions of my taxpayer money into this when it is proven the private sector is many times more efficient than any government grant program or research fund. If a company makes and patents the next big innovation in energy, they will quite literally become one of the biggest companies in existence
>>72913797
This.
Guess I can also post these to really drive the point home as to why we are the least of the world's worries.
>>72908735
It's real, but what other ideas do you have shit for brains?
This world would not work without oil. Find a clean alternative that's economically feasible and i'll suck your dick.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h74DTdTlCk
>>72912639
China has no 'not in my backyard' shit, they will over take the west in nuclear power generation in the coming decades.
Meanwhile the red tape to even break ground on a US nuclear plant is what 12 years or some shit?
actually the largest source of air pollution right now is the methane generated from the beef industry
and we cant just switch to fish because the oceans cant sustain us anymore
so we need some way to dispose of the mass amounts of methane that doesn't involve exploding the cows (methane combustion in mass beef ranches causing herds of cows to literally explode is a thing that happens)
its to the point where the methane generated (a gas way worse than the co2 generated by fuel emissions) is simulating the amounts generated by the herbivores of jurassic times, those 50 foot long 30 ton motherfuckers that ate tons of grass a day. that shit caused the ice age that wiped them out.
it doesnt help that the damage we've already done is causing the ice caps -which is where that methane eventually settled- to melt, releasing that gas and adding the gasses that caused the last extinction event to add to the issue of our own.
The only question about global climate change is this; who is profiting off of it.
That will tell you how real it is.
>>72914051
>>72913870
>>72914093
I had a response typed up for your copypasta but my internet crashed and I don't have time to retype it, so I'll let you win this one.
Companies that dump shit in the ocean or water supplies should be gassed.
>>72908735
I call bullshit on this photo. The second photo is obviously taken on a sunny day so that the snow would of melted.
This is now a climate change is real propaganda hate thread. OP is confirmed as Al Gore's wannabe bitch.
>>72914656
>profiting
certainly not the oil jews goyim.
>>72914627
So are we fucked?
>>72913870
Do your own research faggot
>>72908735
NO ONE IS DENYING CLIMATE CHANGE. SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU FUCKING LEAF.
People deny how much of it is caused by human activity you dumb fuck. Is it a natural cycle or is it human pollution.
>>72914863
>put forth claim
>get confronted with arguments
>fail to provide sources
Into the trash your opinions go, faggot.
>>72914835
no we just need to stop being faggots and get to work on solving this shit
hell if we put the effort in we could probably harness the methane and convert it to ethanol-like fuels for a temporary (to the tune of 50-100 years) energy/profit solution
all said, HERE IS THE FUCKIN PROBLEM, kay guvs?
-yes-, a climate change of this scale is a regular part of the earth's cycle and was inevitable from the start. the problem is that our actions are accelerating progress of the issue many times faster than it was originally supposed to arrive. we were supposed to have literally eons before this became an issue; but our artificial addition of green house gasses into the atmosphere has put a brick on the gas pedal, and it's gonna be very difficult to get it off again- and its only gonna get worse the longer we piss around and howl LEL LIBERALS
>>72915078
I mean human contribution. Dumb fucking leaf, I'm an expat from the United States Master Race. I would ever associate myself with the filth of Vancouver willingly.
>>72915129
this
>>72914863
you're here to debate, If you refuse to debate, then your arguments are invalid and you're worse than niggers
>>72915078
>>72915213
> leafs leafing leafs
be proud canuck brothers
>>72915213
SHUT THE FUCK UP.
QUÉBEC LIBREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>72915129
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/35860-as-climate-disruption-advances-un-warns-the-future-is-happening-now
How about this article? Has a lot of info in it?
Posted at the beginning for cucks to read.
>>72915313
>>72915489
In all seriousness, Vancouver is beyond repair
halp.
>>72914627
>why not burn the methane for fuel?
>>72913721
Who pays these climatologists?
>>72914717
Sure, sure.
>>72915811
>le capture methane out of air
>le burn it again
Burger logic at it's finest!
Even if climate change isn't real we shouldn't be pumping toxic waste into our environment.
>>72916049
>its the JOOOOSSSS
>or maybe even elites worry about the future of their children, and their childrens children.
>>72915799
Come to Québec if you're white, but please learn French and try to preserve our language.
>>72916128
Is that an argument?
>>72911403
Switching to clean power is hard so let's just fuck over the planet because it's easy.
>>72912816
>clear pattern of brief warm periods and prolonged ice ages
>we are in a warm period
>i can disregard this because gotta keep thos time scales releveant guise #globalwarming
>>72915549
I think you failed to read my original post. Scientifically link them, faggot. Read points A-H again.
Correlation does not equal causation.
I want you to definitely prove that me not having a catalytic converter on my car directly causes global warming. I mean, throw aside the fact that CO2 in the atmosphere will increase plant density or whatever other shit I keep hearing on the other side of this argument.
>>72916219
I'm not white. Atleast not white like that.
I'll give you a hint goyim.
Vancouver is degenerate, I'm probably gonna move back to the U.S. in the near future.
>>72916049
Mostly the federal government. There's also now a large circle jerk of NGO's from Europe and technically non-profit groups in the US.
>>72916121
This dumb motherfucker thinks he exhales toxic waste.
>>72915078
but there is no climate change
>>72908735
europe enforces borders, africa dies off finally.
>>72916328
http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf
Does this suffice for human contribution?
>>72915272
If he wants to prove a point he should do his own research.
>>72916353
ET BIEN DÉCAWLISSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
QUÉBEC LIBREEEEE
>>72916246
it's not just "hard", it's not feasible, you thick-skulled neanderthal
>>72908735
CC deniers have the most flimsy non-scientific """"""arguements""""""
>we can't even predict the local weather in a few days how can we predict the global climate in a few years
>>72916276
The real discussion is not whether or not the climate on the planet changes, it's how that will impact human civilization. These charts get cherry picked for patterns and trends all the time because we don't force everyone to use a standard and relevant time scale.
>>72916603
>this meme
So Quebec isn't in Canada anymore. What's step 2?
The best way to stop man-made climate change would be to drastically reduce the number of humans on the planet. There are just too many people, who all need too much energy, for us to switch to "green" fuel sources.
We need a large-scale pandemic to wipe out approximately 50% of the population.
>>72916328
>hahaha I'm such a fucking awesome debat0rzzz XD
>what is burden of proof C: ????? ! ! ? @.@
>>72911403
>If we concede to every demand climatefags have, our access to energy and standards of living related to it will drastically decrease, that is a fucking fact.
Which is not a bad thing. We're advancing too fast. Every third human in first world countries gets killed by cancer due to chemistry in fucking everything. We're not ready for our standards of living and if it isn't climate change per se or cancer, obesity and diabetes, it's globalism. We ignored the discrepancy between first and third world for too long and now we get flooded with savages (or already have been in America's case).
Except for sciene, pharmaceutical drugs and medicine as a whole, we shouldn't be quite this advances at this point. The automotive industry is probably the biggest ulcer of our world.
Also, less advanced architecture and no highways fucking everywhere would be comfy as fuck.
>>72917211
This
If Climate Change continues, expect to see a lot of MENA immigrants showing up at your doors.
>>72908735
Why do you continue to make climate change threads? This is such a boring topic.
Here's the solution: more nuclear. 4th gen Nuclear power plants run on the waste of the first 3 gens, so it literally eliminates nuclear waste. It's also incredibly safe. It would take a team of skilled workers who knew EXACTLY what they needed to do days of continuous, round the clock work to remove all the built in fail safes in order to be able to force it to go critical.
Combine this cheap, clean energy with government incentives to make quick charge stations available nationwide, and you will have cut carbon emissions to the bone, leaving just trains and 18 wheelers (which could use biodiesel).
You're welcome.
>>72916521
No, because it doesn't directly link our contribution and outline the precise percentage is our fucking fault. It's all speculation and appeal to authority.
>>72917158
Stay mad, faggot. Burden of proof is on you, faggot.
>>72908735
why haven't the temperatures risen with the CO2 levels after India and china filled their countries with thousands of coal plants in the past decade?
>>72908735
>top is clearly taken at night when the snow comes ou
>bottom is in the day when it hibernates
>>72917379
Can't do that, where are all the oil tycoons gonna get dey monies homie. Don't deny the happy merchants dey shekels.
The only problem with going to clean renewable energy is man's greed.
Climate change is real, you can observe it at any time throughout history.
Just don't pretend it's human-caused, faggot liberal leaf fear monger.
>>72917211
Or we could just stop being soft hearted women and let the shitskins die instead of volunteering to live like them so they won't bother coming here.
>>72917379
>Why do you continue
/pol/ is one person
>>72917600
>the hibernating mountain
>>72908735
>climate change caused ISIS
>its somehow Climate changes fault for letting shit skins run in the streets of Europe. They couldn't possible do something like closing their borders.
I love this argument you fags keep using
Climate change is real
>oh hey we saved the planet for longer
Climate change isn't real
>oh hey we collapsed the economy and all died and now chinks are just fucking shit up way harder without us oh well atleast we felt good about ourselves
>>72917211
A lot of cancer is caused by the sun. And I don't mean skin cancer
>>72908735
OPs picture would have a lot more impact if it said "December 1985" and "December 2002"
But since it doesn't, I can only assume that it was taken at different points in the year.
>>72908735
There used to be farms in Greenland.
>>72917798
No, the snow. Learn to read.
>>72917798
>/pol/ is one person
Never claimed that. I simply claimed that you, specifically, were continuing the trend of posting a boring topic that has already been solved. Just because leftists protest nuclear power to the point that you can't get them anywhere in the states doesn't mean that the solution hasn't been found.
>>72917357
>expect to see a lot of MENA immigrants showing up at your doors
The fact that you're even saying this betrays how dishonest and evil you communist fucks are.
>maybe if I appeal to right-wing fears, they will buy into my unscientific anti-capitalist apocalyptic mega heatenings scenario
Just walk off a bridge you inhuman sack of shit.
>>72916533
So should OP and he should provide that evidence.
>>72912239
That last red spike seems bigger than the others.. weird.. it's almost like normal processes were leading us back to an ice age and we cockblocked it or something
>>72908735
>winter has long nights summer has long days dot jeepig
>>72917983
>fears
So, if it IS real and the countries become uninhabitable you don't think they're going to go STRAIGHT to Europe? Keep dreaming cuck fag, mohammed will have fun fucking your girlfriend.
>>72913797
NIGGA IT"S ALUMINUM, DO I NEED TO TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH ALUMINUM?
>>72908735
you will never convince them, to them science is not objective, but politics, and they have decided on their conclusion, and will play any psychological gymnastics to maintain that narrative
Climate change is a natural thing.
The ice had been growing for the past 3 years
Take your climate change delusion elsewhere
>>72916754
I spent a good 5 minutes looking at your post and trying to find the argument.
What reasoning do you have to "force everyone to use a standard and relevant time scale."? What exactly is a "relevant time scale," and why should we ignore data on a geological timescale?
Human history starts somewhere in the last ice age, and human prosperity exists within the warm period. We're not even in the warmest part of the warm period, and people are freaking out about the climate turning into a venus-like runaway greenhouse. Its fucking retarded. You realize that in the '70s the big fearmongering climate hoax was global cooling right?
>>72917759
>>72917759
Finally some fucking sense here.
>>72915213
>>72915078
ah yes humans are no contributing, because when those exhaust chemicals from commerce, industry, and vehicles is released into the atmosphere by people they magically violate the laws of physics and simply refuse to undergo any chemical reactions
>>72918367
>Antarctic and Arctic ice are the same things
They got everything so wrong they had to change Global Warming to just Climate Change to justify more studies to keep their salaries
They also get desperate and claim the ice age threat and panic they pushed wasnt real
>>72918291
You say that as though the Middle East isn't ALREADY unlivable.
You are fear mongering the right wing (who isn't against nuclear), rather than facing the harsh truth that left wingers bought into the fear mongering of coal and oil companies about nuclear power, and instead push solar/wind, which is REQUIRED BY LAW to have a reliable backup (as wind and solar is not reliable power). You're not going to get energy companies to invest in nuclear and solar/wind. You can have nuclear, which is clean and reliable, or you can have wind/solar, backed up by coal, diesel, or natural gas.
If you're going to post about global warming, at least have the rules and regulations straight.
Even if climate change is real why would you continually pay the oil jews when you can literally get energy for free once the infrastructure is built?
Not only that, why would you continually pay the car jews for maintenance, road taxes, traffic jams, smog spewing into cities when you could just hop on a clean train, light rail or ride a bicycle for exercise?
Honestly, you guys are being GOOD GOYS and it is revolting.
>>72918473
>t. Al Gore
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/greenhouse_data.html
>>72918460
>Finally I can see my opinion repeated back to me like a parrot.
Do you really think that you'll be safe if the shit hits the fan all across the world? Do you really think that wars over arable land, water and religious zealotry won't force whatever safe space country you live in to not become a police state with no privacy, freedom or free speech?
Don't let yourself be cucked by 1984
>>72908735
>Climate change isn't as severe as we thought but we go through with preventive measures
>>Oh well, I mean that wasn't as urgent as we thought but at least we have a cleaner and more efficient energy system!
>Climate change is happening and we do nothing
>>Massive sandnigger and nigger migrations to Europe cause of no food or water and eventually we all die
Really? Pascal's wager? Is this meant to be an ironic "climate change is a religion" thread? Because holy shit dude.
>>72908735
Climate change is legit, but it's like the canary in the coal mine because there's some real serious shit besides that (and/or because of it) such as the eradication of corals due to rising ocean acidity or the deaths of keystone predators such as elephant which actually reshape the environment by ripping trees out of the ground, allowing smaller grazers and their predators to have territory. The death of primary pollinators due to neonicitinoids is also an issue.
Life is very resilient. Things have to go extinct to make way for others, but when too many things of the right type die out, it's not unreasonable to assume there's going to be ripple effects. The dinosaurs for example didn't die out in a single day. For millions of years, they had been in decline. A fatass meteor smacks the planet and they still don't die out immediately.. it is thought that some species of dinosaur survived for thousands of years after the event, and even the species that died out took months and years to disappear.
We're probably already fucked, but life will carry on without us.
>>72917759
But I don't like the world we live in myself? Concrete buildings everywhere, corrupt pharmaceutical industry that literally makes money with (unsolved) diseases of civilization and people dying, cars everywhere, everything "natural" you see is a lie and fenced fields with cows or other shit (milk cows which literally emit more methane than cars), beautiful animals going extinct (variety and beauty is one big reason we hate to see the white race declining) and seeing this discrepancy everywhere with children starving. I'm not a SJW fag but this is not right, obviously.
Cancer also becomes more and more common and there is a high chance you'll have to say bye to your fucked up mother dying from it in a shitty hospital.
>>72918541
Nuclear is a good option. Left should not be so cucked. And I mean moreso than MENA counties are now. Either way, I'm not "fear mongering", I'm simply stating what will most likely happen in the future.
>>72918569
>I want to pay the oil jews
>I want to pay the car jews
>I am not vehemently against these two things
wew lad.
>>72908735
The climate change argument is either:
>Scientists agree, and they'd never lie to us
They also agreed that second hand smoke gives you cancer. They "agreed" so much, they had to change the regulations they put in place to have the FDA change their policy for what qualifies as a carcinogen.
>Even if it isn't real, it's all for a good cause!
If you thing people have the power to drastically change the climate by a hundred years of burning stuff, what makes you think that taking it down a notch will save the planet? Doesn't it worry you that the companies which benefit from green energy happen to be the same ones that write big checks to government officials?
>or
>You have no proof! I can show you evidence!
Really? I can too! Funny how that works! It's like, one of us is wrong or misinterpreting their data or something. It is weird though, that I have evidence contrary to you, despite not having the burden of proof place on me. Normally, someone who theorizes the apocalypse wants to be proven wrong.
>>72911403
>>72916246
>>72916624
>>72917211
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>>72917379
This anon gets it.
>>72918753
Rapid climate change will cause mass extinction as it will throw of seasons, agriculture and destroy habitats and the life cycles of many species who cannot evolve fast enough to keep up.
>>72914627
Are you trying to say that cows regularly detonate? What the fuck do you mean?
>>72917759
Oh sure it's just the shitskins that's why there's more cancer now than ever, and plenty of flavors of it we've never seen in history before. I'm sure it's fine.
>>72918714
>Pascal's wager
We have some sort of evidence to back up our beliefs about climate change.
None about God.
>>72918753
I agree, I just would like to survive if possible.
>>72918853
Climate skepticism is primarily paid for by the resources industry. Deep kikery is afoot and you're a fool if you don't wake up and smell the kosher cuisine.
What is the optimum temperature of the planet for sustaining humans, climate people?
>>72918871
Leftists and climatefags hate nuclear
At least I'll get to see Miami drown in my lifetime. I used to get riled up about deniers, but now I own a house and land in Appalachia which is particularly well-suited to whether climate change as much as is possible, so fuck 'em.
>>72919044
>Climate change denial is paid for by oil jews
>This is not proof that they are trying to suppress the truth
>>72919157
Some Greens parties are opposed to nuclear and things like genetically modified food but many people who identify as 'left wing' have no problem with nuclear energy. Especially thorium reactors which could save our ass on the way to fusion.
One thing that is really appealing though is that the price of solar is getting really cheap and for many parts of the world that are very sunny we should just be installing solar panels on roofs rather than building massive nuclear power plants, although if you live in a place with fuckall wind and sun then nuclear is the best option.
>>72918651
yes see people understand that if a human activity releases exhaust/any gas into the atmosphere it is magical by virtue of being human related, and physics somehow dont apply, and ignores those atoms humans had anything to do with
all EM and chemical/etc effects, temperature, density, solar wind, so on so on are oblivious to atoms of "human" gases
magical.
>>72919157
Of course they do. They bought into the fear mongering in New York that the oil, coal, and natural gas companies shilled out, and now they would rather stick their own child into a microwave than consider nuclear.
To be fair, OP seems to consider nuclear a good option. This, of course, only leaves one question: if he already has the answer, why ask the question on a board full of people who have zero issues with nuclear?
>>72919157
Leftist who dismiss nuclear are clinically retarded.
Doesn't mean oil is any less dirty or that nuclear is overall more sustainable, but it's necessary to ween off oil.
>>72919300
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/exxon-knew-about-climate-change-almost-40-years-ago/
>>72908735
Climate Change is bad
but White Extinction is worse
Is that fair?
>>72919387
How would nuclear ween anyone off of oil? You don't put uranium in your car or use it to process plastics or make fertilizer. Did you mean coal?
>>72918708
reading this shit made me want to take a razor blade to my eyeballs
>>72919375
I'm talking about people who deny any human contribution to it. No issue with Nuclear and when I debate my leftist parents about climate change I always bring it up, only to hear a resounding "NUH UHH"
BLOW AWAY LEAF
An increase in C02 is good for agriculture though. Even retarded pot growers know this.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/nasa-study-rising-carbon-dioxide-levels-will-help-and-hurt-crops
>>72919346
Solar panels are dumb as fuck. If it's sunny, use molten salt towers. If you have an ocean, get your power from the movement of the waves. Hydro electric dams for towns next to rivers. Nuclear everywhere else (wind is not a good long-term investment, because there will be days without enough wind, which means coal, diesel, or natural gas will be used to provide power).
>>72919418
human extinction is best
>>72919500
but not as much as >>72919361
>>72919492
Yes my mistake, coal( I meant just natural gasses or fossil fuels in general)
>>72919500
>Something I disagree with made me angry because I have been spoonfed Jewish semen my entire life.
>>72919550
you fucking animal
>>72919375
Which fear mongering are you referring to? I grew up next to a nuclear power plant that cost 2 billion dollars and never got turned on, because there was no feasible evacuation plan out of Long Island. That was probably for the best. Nuclear power in general, though, is a net good for humanity's goal to get off the fossil fuel teat.
>>72919157
As a goddamned hippie myself, I wholeheartedly support nuclear, they just need to stop wasting all the nuclear waste and develop more efficient systems for using it to generate energy, such as low temperature differential sterling engines
>>72919547
that's not sustainable though
>>72919613
I bet your house is packed floor to ceiling with ageless male and berkey filters
>>72919578
did
>>72919361
go over your head?
>>72919513
Personally, I don't give a shit about people who deny climate change. Here's why: it's totally irrelevant.
The cleanest option for the vast majority of people also happens to be the cheapest. I'm completely unsold on humans contributing to climate change, but it's totally irrelevant, because I like saving money. So I light my house with LEDs. When they are affordable enough, I will purchase an electric car. I stopped streaming videos through my PS3, and started using a Roku 3, because it only uses 3.5w, versus my PS3 using 90w.
I'm out to save money. And THAT is the argument you can use to convince people. You don't even have to touch on the long-term benefits. Appeal to their sense of greed.
>>72919300
Oy vey
>>72919701
We need nuclear fission and we'll be set for eons
>>72912239
that feel when you will never live in an ice age and hunt mamoths with your bros.
> thinks hydro could ever be a large part of any broad clean energy plan
> denies solar being useful in that capacity
Yup, your flag checks out.
>>72919814
did you even look at, let alone read the link in >>72918651 ?
>>72919547
LOL. Increases in temperature can cause sea levels to rise and meteorological trends to change dramatically. It's not good for agriculture if everyone has to move further inland, it's not good for agriculture if the rains stop or if the farmland is decimated by tornadoes, hurricanes or monsoons.
What a moron.
>>72919548
Solar panels are still incredibly useful, if you are in a building that is occupied all day in a tropical, sub-tropical, Mediterranean or desert climate then you can get a lot of energy for free. Not to mention that with advances in battery technology homes and businesses can store their surplus energy.
Energy is expensive in western white countries.
Concentrated solar power is a good idea and should be done too, it's just that it will be a big initial investment and will most likely have to be a government undertaking. I think that a decentralized grid is the way to go. If most people can absorb and store their energy then the upkeep costs for maintaining an extensive and expensive electricity grid will result in massive savings.
I love your amazing takedown of solar panels though, lol.
>Solar panels are dumb as fuck.
Good one, turkroach. Piece of shit, thanks for destroying the Byzantine empire.
>>72919907
what?
>>72919400
yes I know. The Oil Jews wanted to surprise the truth. Are we arguing right now?
>>72919866
I'm not one for greed. I agree that the climate change movement needs to rebrand itself and consider nuclear as we try to find a new way to power our nations.
>>72908735
>Climate change isn't as severe as we thought but we go through with preventive measures
>>Oh well, I mean that wasn't as urgent as we thought but at least we have a cleaner and more efficient energy system!
Problem with Environmentalists is that they overstate the environmental damage of global warming while understate the economic damage of global warming policy.
We should do something about global warming, but not more than a 5-10% sales tax on unclean energy sources.
>>72908735
>>72919697
The fear mongering that was experienced in New York, funded by the coal and natural gas power houses.
This is where this image originated from
>>72920134
lol wut? I don't think that a tax = fix climate change.
>>72919866
Hong Kong gets it.
You fucking climate change activists are some of the most insufferable cunts on the planet. Booms in civilization gave happened during warm periods, while massive starvation and death have occurred during colder times. Fuck you and your junk science. You should be fucking happy that the earth is warming and not freezing over you pricks. We are overdue for another ice age and occording to your narrative we are preventing it from happening.
>>72920131
Sorry, that was a response to >>72919548
>>72920057
but what is desalinization
>>72920131
>I'm not one for greed.
Who gives a shit what you are for? You're already sold on the idea. Are you starting this thread to feel morally superior, or are you starting this thread to actually find solutions to the problems with getting clean energy?
>>72920293
Please move to Florida with the rest of your kind.
>>72920293
I prefer a natural ice age when juxtaposed with our impending future.
>>72919902
For that we'd have to shit on Einstein, Newton, and the laws of thermodynamics, which we probably should. Physics is broken and we cannot accurately reproduce what we think happens in a star because we're wrong about it, but in denial because great men built great careers upon these ideas. If physics were on the right track, do you think we'd have dark energy, dark matter, and supermassive black holes to explain all the shit we don't understand? We are basically invoking magic to fix equations that don't seem to match reality. Oh what the large hadron collider detected another unexpected particle this week that fits no known models? Oh wait where are all those fucking gravitons
Sorry I got a little worked up
>>72920428
Deconstruct my argument first
Protip you can't
>>72920362
I agreed it needs to rebrand itself and appeal to greed. I was just pointing out that the long term benefits should be just as big a component to the cause as the economic incentive.
>>72919866
Your understanding of economics is too simplified. You would be correct of course if the resources industries such as coal, natural gas and oil weren't backed by either extremely wealthy corporations or nation states (Russia, Saudi Arabia).
Currently many of these resources are subsidized by governments all around the world, unless world governments step in and introduce a carbon tax or subsidize new technologies like solar then consumers will not be able to substantially change the way things are.
>>72919990
yes, i see the quaint shill's 1st try geocities mid 90's html "site" by an armchair fox-news-diploma atmospheric "scientist" which is comedy gold by virtue of actually trying to be serious
>>72920464
Incorrect. I believe it was last year that Fission actually produced more energy than it took, so they are on the right track. They are just decades away from implementing it. About 3 decades, to be precise.
>>72920293
>>72920362
/thread
>>72920134
Carbon taxes have nothing to do with preventing climate change, they're basically the equivalent of war profiteering
>>72920335
Desalination is incredibly inefficient, produces a disgusting bile byproduct and not only that you'd have to transport the desalinated water hundreds of kilometres to farms. This would all push prices up for the consumer.
>>72920581
When we get our own shit together, we can talk about a "one world government."
>>72920701
>willingly playing into the masons
Kong no!
climate change is real
man made climate change is nor
>>72908735
It's a cycle chill out
>>72920513
Your argument is literally "hot good, cold bad".
>>72920594
It's been 3 decades away every year I've been alive. Don't get me wrong it'd be great if true.. but I've also never heard of anyone ever getting more than like 98% returns on energy
>>72920610
It's a way for governments to favor technologies and manufacturing methods that are more efficient and pollute less. The taxed money would be used to change the energy sector in a number of ways like redirecting the money raised by the carbon tax into subsidizing rooftop solar panels.
How is this so controversial. You could either do a carbon tax or you could just do a massive hundreds of billions of dollars manhattan project that builds hundreds of thousands of solar panels or whatever.
>>72920785
I think you mean swe
Climate change is real, the bust liberal uninformed jew uses popsci to make it sound like the death of earth
It isn't
It will bring the absolute destruction of coastal infrastructure, but desu that's just gonna make jobs and money
>>72920701
Stupid, dumb, filthy illiterate turkroach. You clearly don't understand economics or the English language.
Why even participate in a thread if you cannot engage in a discussion in the Queens language?
>>72920776
Don't worry, leaf. The west isn't going to get its shit together for a very long time. So long as there is one homeless person who doesn't want to be homeless on any street in the West, the West will not have its shit together. And the West is too busy bickering about SJW-tier shit to actually help its citizenry.
>>72908735
>reminder the white devil caused all of this
>>72917929
Do you even know what a glacier is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za5wpCo0Sqg
>>72920866
In a nutshell it is, humanity has died off during cold periods and blossomed during warm periods, and we aren't even the hottest time period on record, the Viking age was a warm period and gave rise to new civilization and exploration just as one example, they even used to farm in Greenland
>>72920934
Broken window fallacy.
We could either have to spend trillions worldwide to move massive amounts of people inland and rebuild homes, infrastructure and businesses or we could spend far less money on solar panels, wind farms, nuclear power plants, public transport infrastructure and electric cars.
In one scenario we are objectively worse off, in the other we get to keep what we have now.
>>72920867
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-24429621
They reached break-even as of October 2013.
>>72920956
They said that the only thing to survive the nuclear holocaust is the cockroach.
>>72920934
Florida is the third most populated state in the country. Most of the population lives on a sliver of land on the east coast. Floridians will be the new Okies, fleeing environmental disaster.
Fuck Trump's wall - I want a wall on the south Georgia border to keep fleeing Floridians out. It'll bring jobs to Valdosta.
>>72921143
Yeah, that's the point, somebody makes that money
>>72912816
>what is ice core drilling?
>>72920954
>Turkroach
Learn your flags, dumbass.
>>72921143
>Broken window fallacy.
spot on.
>>72908735
>>72921197
Learn your flags, Aussie. Or just hover your mouse over the flag.
>>72921202
Are you a Valdosta fag?
I can't wait for it to be a coastal metropolis
>>72908735
>Warming is bad...
Thats neat... but when you look at geologic records and realize that the earth use to be much - much warmer... and things were basically fine (I mean it was good enough for our evolution).
Then why make a big deal out of any climate change?
>Greenies need a reason to get more money and control... Basically to question any claims is like original sin and Al Gore is god and we need to tax you more.
Oh ok that makes more sense.
>>72921083
Humanity didn't have a tightly integrated global economy then. Coastal disaster will be a cancer.
>>72920879
Governments by their very nature are untrustworthy and tend to collude with big companies rather than doing good for the masses. It sounds nice. But a lot of things sound nice.
>>72921211
It's not about who is making the money, it's about all of the lives that will be objectively worse off. Do you want to live in a place where suddenly overnight billions of people worldwide are reduced to poverty as their primary asset (their house) is completely destroyed. Do you think insurance will be able to pay out for all of the destroyed homes?
And really, you've simplified the entire issue as it won't just be rising sea levels but it will cause a whole host of meteorological changes that will make farming much more difficult.
Stop enabling the jews fuckwit.
>>72921258
>any climate of the earth, _EVER_ is equally comfortable to human life as it is now
huray!
>>72921342
I was warmer, the problem isn't it being warm, the problem is the damage to our infrastructure. DESU most people over inflate the actual harm
>>72921287
>Last name is Turkish
I want to kill myself desu
>>72921216
LOL, I'm reporting you to the CCP right now for dissident activities. Hopefully they cut out your organs like degenerate Falun Gong worshippers. Or maybe some kid will get to play with the toy that you make in their happy meal while you're worked to death in a factory for sixteen hours a day.
>>72921328
I'm not, but I've spent a lot of time there, and I've driven from Georgia to Florida and back dozens of times for work - Valdosta Bay does sound lovely
>>72921428
Why? Because of an Aussie?
>>72921343
If you think that humans are going to be able to control the temperature of the earth and weather or not the ice caps grow or retreat you are mistaken and the only thing you'll end up doing is causing further economic damage on top of whatever damage is caused by a rising sea level, as I said we are not even in the hottest time period in human history and you must think humanity has a lot more power than it actually has
>>72921416
It is for most people who don't whine about feelings and demand safe spaces
>>72921342
see:
>>72921416
the area of the earth suitable for humans to live, not to mention grow enough food, would at most of that time been so small as not support but a few million, at most
if the earth goes back in that direction, there will mass graves larger than imagination can fathom
>>72921516
Go for it. Not to spoil anything, but it's 229 AM where I am.
The glory of third shift work means I get to watch an Aussie make an ass of himself over and over.
>>72921342
The rate of change was a lot slower then compared to it is now. Natural selection is not a fast process when it comes to things that are multi-cellular and even slower when it is organisms with a longer lifespan than a weed or insect. Idiot.
>>72921350
You just described how we got into this mess and stayed impotent sitting on our asses for so long.
>>72921560
No because I'm 1/4 Turkish.
>>72921596
>rising temperature
>earth goes back to being colder
Nigger, WHAT?!?!
>>72908735
>more efficient
no.
>>72921636
Shouldn't you be learning mandarin now your native language cucktonese is now worthless. I think you should move to the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region so you can be with your fellow Turks.
Hong Kong is now for mainlanders anyway.
>>72921677
You know, OP, you really let yourself get off-topic on this thread. Should be a hint as to how boring this subject is.
>>72921684
>he thinks we can do large scale modern farming in deserts
>>72921742
Cool. Where in Hong Kong do you suppose that it's 232AM, Aussie?
>>72921759
I'm studying for my personal trainer exam while shitposting on /pol/ Plus we pretty much came to an agreement, I'm just watching everyone else fight it out atm.
>>72921258
Fires have always existed therefore it's impossible for me to burn your house down.
>>72921342
You do not want to live during the Eocene
>>72921636
Also no it's not Hong Kong isn't even that far from where I am (Melbourne) in time zones.
>>72913231
this. we should use all the energy we can for now in hopes of getting technological advancements out of it.
Anyway, there's no way of curtailing energy use. For example solar is still going to eat up resources and any regime that cuts off its own energy supply is committing sudoku.
>>72908735
no doubt the climate changes but who is to say what causes it
that's the real argument not that it doesn't change
nowadays when you mention it its implied as human caused
>>72921830
It's just a dumb Aussie who thinks that Turkey is Hong Kong, and who also thinks Hong Kong falls into the US Central Time Zone.
Aussies are usually funny. This one must be a foreign worker from Canada.
>>72921830
>He has to study to check out muscular men all day
>>72921595
>poisoning the well fallacy
i see, dying from a climate of human-lethal (without question) heat & gases is equal to a psycho campus lib SJW getting hurt feelers
>>72908735
Boo fucking hoo so a little bit of snow melted.
Put some maple syrup on it.
>>72921684
who said anything about colder?
>>72921930
Chinese people have historically mixed with Turks. Your people were raped by Turkmen for centuries. Look at the mongols, the tocharians and the uygurs. You are all turk rape babies.
>>72921581
We do have a lot of power, and we certainly aren't the first species to cause global change. Ever wonder why our atmosphere has oxygen in the first place? Cyanobacteria. It's likely that oxygen was toxic to other early organisms back then, billions of years ago, and that Cyanobacteria caused their extinction.
Now we're doing something similar, but with carbon instead of oxygen. It's hard to put it back once you've burned it. Man-made attempts to sequester carbon are nigh impossible at a large scale.
We're not as powerful as those little photosynthesis factories (which also comprise the largest physical mass of life on Earth), but we're more powerful than you think.
>>72922045
Those organisms took a billion years to change the globe into a snowcone, at our rate we could turn it into venus much faster.
>>72921947
The finest Aussie shit post I've seen in quite some time.
>>72922021
And we all originated from Africa too :)))
>>72921930
Historically the silk road transported Turkmen semen into china.
There are 11 million Turkmen in China and China is bordered by MANY Turk countries.
rekt fag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_peoples
>>72921873
Ok, Aussie. I'll just give you this screen shot, and even circled in red how such a thing could come to pass.
If you aren't sure what that icon is, go look up zenmate on firefox add ons.
>>72908735
Or alternatively: Climate change isnt real and all our knowledge of chemistry and climatology turns out to be wrong, we run out of economically feasible oil at the same moment we lose our trust in the scientific method (considering it was so grossly mistaken about climate change) and the world succumbs to chaos and death as the lights go out.
>>72922146
Hey maybe one of those ripped wealthy dudes who pays you to touch them will let you suck their cock?
>>72921863
Diff anon
What's wrong with living in the eocene?
Was this during the Permian extinction whe4e 95% of all the organisms perished? Hell, if anything. If we didn't have the Himalayan mountain range(well at the height that it is), the Sahara desert wouldn't exist
>>72922233
>MFW it's 2:35AM in Istanbul, Turkey
>>72922045
We are putting more CO2 in the air which speeds up plant growth, tree huggers are always complaining about the rainforest being chopped down, people only look at the bad side of global warming when there are benefits to it. I believe humans might have a negligible effect on the climate but not nearly enough to wreck our economies over, the climate has historically changed over time even without human interference, if I believed in the leftist narrative of global warming I'd be happy about it preventing the next ice age and not killing off significant portions of my species
>>72922308
>implying I'm not doing this to train QT white girls at my local gym.
I can make 70$ with private clients faggot. Maybe I will touch their cock.
>>72922282
>the world succumbs to chaos and death
Because renewable energy would cause a global collapse?
What?
We'll never stop using oil unless we develop something that we can create cheaply and use instead. Oil supplies will last a very long time and it's a good thing because we use oil to make many products. It's not just for gasoline in cars cuckold.
>>72922421
Actually, it's not even 2:45AM where I am now.
It's 1:45AM. I fucked with the system clock.
>>72922497
>He justifies his life choices to strangers on the internet
wew lad
>>72922560
So you're either from Canada all the way down to Argentina!?
>>72922590
The Aussie master of shitposting
Teach me ur ways?
>>72922697
Well, at least you finally narrowed it down to the correct hemisphere. If only you could decide between the northern and southern hemisphere.
>>72922483
That would reduce solar radiation which would be bad for plants and solar power. A much easier thing to do would be to plant trees and then use the wood to build things or even bury the wood underground. If we perfect carbon sequestration and use it in tandem with renewable energy then we could feasibly ride this out.
>>72922454
Carbon Dioxide has a beneficial effect on photosynthesizing organisms, however if the environment in which that organism was naturally selected for changes due to an increase in global temperature and the amount of rainfall changes then it's going to wreak havoc on the environment and overall it won't be a positive change for plants.
Nice attempt at simplifying the whole issue you fucking idiot.
>>72912329
you certainly are a nigger
>>72922772
I'm sure your ancestors came from Turkey anyway
>>72908735
>DUH ERFF IS GONNA GET SO HOT, IN 5 YEARS ITL BE UNLIVEABLE, WE CALL IT GLOBAL WARMING, GIVE ME YOUR MONEY AND IL FIX IT
>it gets colder
>DUH ERFF IS GETTING COLD BECAUSE DUH GLOBAL WARMING IS MELTING DA ICE CAPS, IN 5 YEARS ITL BE TOO COLD AND ERFF WILL BE UNLIVABLE, WE CALL IT GLOBAL COOLING, GIVE ME YOUR MONEY AND IL FIX IT
>a milder summer than the previous year and a milder winter than the previous year
>WEATHER IS UNPREDICTABLE AND GOING INTO EXTREMES, IN 5 YEARS WE DONT KNOW IF ERFF WILL BE LIVEABLE AT THIS RATE, WE CALL IT CLIMATE CHANGE, GIVE ME YOUR MONEY AND IL FIX IT
was climate change invented by fucking gypsies, if climate change is so fucking severe what makes anyone think they can change it with a couple windmills, and why is it always imposed on America when Asia beats everyone out 20fold
>>72922957
>He cherry picks the most extreme predictions and uses that to inform his entire opinion.
>He cherry picks data anomalies that have already been explained due to the ocean absorbing excess co2
>He doesn't understand that per capita the west pollutes far more than Asia
>He doesn't understand that in a global economy the goods that we import from Asia because they are cheaper are directly related to western economic demand
Holy shit nigger you just went FULL RETARD!
>>72922936
Germany and Ireland.
Let me guess, now you'll say that Turks emigrated to Germany a few hundred years ago, and that one of my forefathers was one? If so, I eagerly await your proof.
>>72922790
Not true. Photovoltaics only utilise the photoelectric effect with visible light spectrum photons, not UV.
Carbon sequestration via forestry mulching could be useful for you guys since it could allow you to fertilise large regions of useless land for farming without fear of massive topsoil erosion. Also Carbon Tax credits.
>>72923126
im not going full retard, im just not going full fucking kneejerk give all my money to Obama so he can go on more golf trips in his private jet while Leonardo Dicaprio guilt trips me driving a Corolla instead of a Preus from his Private Yacht.
Hell I believe climate change to be real, not in the extremes that al gore wants everyone to believe, but im not parting with my money when Celebrities and our own politicians pollute more than everyone in my fucking County
also the polar bears are running out of ice :(
they is drowning :(
only small piece of ice :(
can't fit on it :(
polar bear nice polar bear dying :(
>>72923192
Germany is in central Europe and was within proximity to several states that were invaded and whose women were subsequently raped by Turks (mongols) such as Hungary and Poland.
Not to mention the Turks that lived IN EUROPE like the Crimean Tartars.
Ireland is not European and it is not populated by Europeans, it is an Island off of the coast of Europe that is populated by potato niggers.
>>72912329
this, whats happening is fucking natural. the kikes trying to convince us its the goyim are full of shit.
>>72923352
whats wonderful about you psychopaths is that if you thought that was true you would be even more amused
>>72912816
Can't tell if this is bait or Tyrone.
>>72923478
>>72912329
see:
>>72918473
>>72919361
either you actually believe those 2 posts of mine, or you think no human has anything to do with any release of any gas compound into the atmosphere
both possibilities are beyond hysterical
>>72923344
You shouldn't have to part with money it should be the government that regulates the market.
There are several things that the government could or should do such as:
1) Stop subsidizing fossil fuels and the associated industries.
2) Begin subsidizing renewable energy industries and technological development
3) Pass a carbon tax to incentivize businesses and corporations to reduce their carbon footprint. Spend that money on renewable energy subsidies such as subsidizing solar panels for the roofs of houses in sunny places or subsidize the cost of wind turbines in windy areas.
The consumer should not have to donate money to anything and if done right the consumer will be the one who saves the most money in the end.
