What will Brexit mean for the commonwealth?
Hopefully they'll Brexit that too. The Commonwealth already has enough third-world countries
eh-hm
commonwealth?
>>72610455
I think emufood is just taking a bit of the piss with the pacific sheepfuckers
Antigua and Barbuda
Australia
Bahamas
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belize
Botswana
Brunei
Cameroon
Canada
Cyprus
Dominica
Fiji
Ghana
Grenada
Guyana
India
Jamaica
Kenya
Kiribati
Lesotho
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Malta
Mauritius
Mozambique
Namibia
Nauru
New Zealand
Nigeria
Pakistan
Papua New Guinea
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
South Africa
Sri Lanka
Swaziland
Tanzania
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tuvalu
Uganda
United Kingdom
Vanuatu
Zambia
>>72610152
Closer trade, hopefully. I have family in Canada and New Zealand. The commonwealth is a remnant of the British Empire. Most bongs have family overseas. I love Europe but hate the EU. Our media is doing some clever propaganda by using the two terms terms interchangeably. For example, "why do you want to leave Europe"?
How the fuck can we leave Europe? Dragging our islands to another geographical area?
I'm voting leave as I hate the EU. And love Europe.
>>72611111
Aren't half those independent or mostly independent by now?
>>72611314
Yeah. These days the Commonwealth is just an excuse to get together every 4 years and have a shit Olympics.
>>72611314
They are almost all independent. You are confusing the Commonwealth of Nations (the list I posted) with the Commonwealth realm (where the Queen is Head of State).
Here's a list of Commonwealth realm countries:
United Kingdom
Tuvalu
Solomon Islands
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Saint Lucia
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Papua New Guinea
New Zealand
Jamaica
Grenada
Canada
Belize
Barbados
The Bahamas
Australia
Antigua and Barbuda
>>72611314
>>72611699
On top of that, you also have British Overseas Territories and British Crown Dependencies.
>British Overseas Territories:
Akrotiri & Dhekelia
Anguilla
Bermuda
British Antarctic Territory
British Indian Ocean Territory
British Virgin Islands
Cayman Islands
Falkland Islands
Gibraltar
Montserrat
Pitcairn, Henderson, Ducie and Oeno Islands
St Helena and St Helena Dependencies (Ascension and Tristan da Cunha)
South Georgia and South Sandwich Islands
The Turks & Caicos Islands
>Crown Dependencies:
Isle of Man
Baliwick of Jersey
Baliwick of Guernsey and Guernsey Dependencies
We'll export all of our trash to Australia
This is why it can be confusing when referring to 'Britain' and 'the Commonwealth'.
>>72611699
>>72611983
Does the Queen actually visit those often? Is there like a miniature Royal Palace on all those for her to stay at? Does she have royal diplomats there?
>>72611388
Very true, mate. Nobody gives a shit about the Commonwealth games. Most people here follow the footy, or rugby. I like watching really slow stuff like cricket or snooker, as it puts me in some state of trance. The winter Olympics are also enjoyable to watch. Especially the ski jump. How the fuck can humans do that? My kitten can do amazing jumps, but that doesn't mean I'm going to put some ski things on her and shove her down an ice ramp.
>>72612059
The Commonwealth realm countries all have a Viceroy (or Governor-General) who is given a house with the job (similar to Governors of States in the US), in which Royal apartments are maintained if they should visit. Governor-Generals in Commonwealth realm countries have no power, it's a ceremonial job.
>See:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Commonwealth_visits_made_by_Queen_Elizabeth_II
The British Overseas territories tend to be small, but they all have Governor-Generals as well, but they do have some power. Again, if there was a Royal visit it would be up to the Governor-General to provide accommodation. A good example of a typical Governor-General's house is Government House in Port Stanley, Falklands Islands.
>Pic related
As for Crown Dependencies, they are all in close proximity to the British Isles, so if there was a Royal visit, they could probably pop back to the mainland, instead of staying the night.
>>72611388
>>72612077
I am always suprised by the British laissez faire attitude towards the Commonwealth. It's such an opportunity that is wasted over and over again. You have an organization that could be used to make a trade deal between like-minded nations in five continents, yet the British seem to have no interest. It's really a shame.
I hope that Britain leaves the EU and makes closer ties with Canada, Australia and New Zealand before it is too late.
>>72612642
We are forbidden by the EU to make our own trade deals
VOTE OUT
>>72612059
she does visit and if she can't make she sends one of the princes otherwise the governor general rules the country for her
>>72612496
Wrong, all Commonwealth realms have a governor General, who represents and acts in the Monarchs constitutional role in said realm.
Overseas territories have governors who acts essentially as the executive of that island as well as the representative of the British government in said territory. Some governors MAY be styled as the Viceroy, but Governor Generals never are, at least not since the Raj
>>72612642
>I hope that Britain leaves the EU and makes closer ties with Canada, Australia and New Zealand before it is too late.
I hope for this too.
If we can somehow strengthen our ties to Britain we will have an identity again and stop the multicult nonsense
>>72612642
Cultural suicide. Britain doesn't think has the balls to lead the world anymore, and it's foreign policy has been under the control of the USA since 1956.
>>72612047
Don't worry, you'll vote IN and continue to get the trash of Bulgaria and Poland, as well as the finest Islamic scholars Pakistan can offer
>>72612047
UnZud flag republicans try to shitpost the NZ flag by mixing it in a big pile with other UnionJack flags.
Flags of Qld, Vic, NSW, Tassie, SA....
>mfw they are just admitting that hotmudland isnt a real country and is really just the 8th state of Straya
>>72612683
>>72612642
My point exactly. Do be kind to your Mick cousins and don't close the door on us when you're leaving. Hopefully we'll re-join the Commonwealth one day and leave behind these bloody Continentals to their foolishness.
>>72612728
What exactly did I say that was wrong? I used Viceroy as it's a concept people understand more than Governor-Generals. I didn't mean to say that they had either a Viceroy or a Governor-General, but rather I meant to use the terms interchangeably.
>>72612642
It was politics, our cucked politicians after the loss of Empire thought we should be good Europeans rather than Global/Commonwealth Britains
To the average man and woman, when you explain to them what the commonwealth is, they will always sing its praises and say we should be engaging more.
leftists of course think its racist
Our Governor General is still a Lieutenant General in the Army and was in the SAS
>>72612895
Your post read like Governor Generals were an executive figure like US state governors.
Apologies if this was not what you were trying to say, I just read it like that
I think only the Falklands officially has a 'viceroy' as a title
>>72612642
>I am always suprised by the British laissez faire attitude towards the Commonwealth. It's such an opportunity that is wasted over and over again. You have an organization that could be used to make a trade deal between like-minded nations in five continents, yet the British seem to have no interest. It's really a shame.
I think about this all the time. Britain missed out on so many trade deals, Canada and Australia are two of the most resource rich countries in the world, I've never been able to understand why the U.K. didn't ever try to keep us closer.
>>72612936
So your "crown dependencies" are dependent on the UK but you guys can't trade with them?
>>72613017
>Your post read like Governor Generals were an executive figure like US state governors.
They sort of are, depending on country.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1975_Australian_constitutional_crisis
>>72613067
see
>>72612936
Also there was strong US pressure on this. The US viewed the commonwealth as its realms of influence, were as the UK would be its vessel for influence in Europe
Believe me, had people been told the truth just what they were joining would turn into, they would have rejected it
>>72613100
the crown dependencies are like US territories and only have a pop of a few hundred thousand
>>72613005
New Zealand you stole our fucking campaign hat you cunt
>>72612936
Inward, colloquial thinking, Republican retards that are still stuck in Civil War politics are what has ruined this country. I wish we could have better relations with our closet neighbor, who we have the most in common. Hopefully one day it will be the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland again, instead of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
>>72613017
Your post read like Governor Generals were an executive figure like US state governors.
>Governor-Generals in Commonwealth realm countries have no power, it's a ceremonial job.
I did say it... and as >>72613129 said, depending on the country, they do have executive power. The Monarch is seat of all power, but does not use it. The same is true for Governor-Generals in most cases.
>>72613067
Hey at least you're a apart of it. Our inward-looking, colloquial, Gaelic speaking dim-wits wouldn't let us join.
>>72613100
It's ridiculous, isn't it? It's why the EU has got to go.
>>72613180
So are citizens able to immigrate and travel freely between the UK and its dependencies like US territories are?
>>72613100
No, for example Tristan Da Cunha is legally, officially and culturally part of the UK.
It produces some of the worlds best lobster
But it can't export it to the UK or to the EU because while part of the UK, its outside the European Economic Area and therefore is subject to EU fishery directives.
So it has to trade, through South Africa to Japan and the United States.
>>72613129
That's as the name suggests, a crisis. GGs do have reserve powers in times of need, but unlike US state governors, they don't manage the day to day running of affairs of state like the Prime Minister does
>>72613306
>So it has to trade, through South Africa to Japan and the United States.
It's silly things like this that will in the end push Commonwealth Nations and Crown Dependencies towards seeking independence. Britain needs to fight for it's friends, not for Croatians and Bulgarians.
>>72613280
I still am baffled while Fine Gael and Enda never put forward a motion to rejoin the commonwealth
its far too long over due.
Especially when legally and constitutionally speaking, the UK always had a special place for Irish citizens, even while Big Dev went out of his way to insult and erase any diplomatic and constitutional links in Ireland
>>72613294
Yes and no, a lot of the students are funded by the local and British governments to come and study or work in the UK, but due to certain immigration policies and attitudes, the government is driving to lower immigration, since it can't do shit to lower EU migration, all the quota cuts fall on Non EU/Commonwealth migration and for some reason the BOT (British overseas territories) are subject to these cuts, so for example Falkland islanders are sending their kids to study for university in the USA
>>72610253
Says the cuckstamped flag.
>>72612059
Royal diplomats are functionally the same as your president, we call them governor generals. Sometimes the royals visit and do their own diplomating
>>72613005
Governor-Generals always have cool uniforms.
>Rex Hunt, Governor-General of the The Falklands during the Argentinian Invasion. They made a pretty good movie about him too.
>>72613547
Let me guess, you're a Recucklian in NI or a Scottish National Socialist?
>>72613535
So due to the EU your territories have to get shafted because you have to fulfill Merkel's mudslime quota when you could instead be getting British oversea citizens who actually respect the UK
>>72613294
yeah im pretty sure you can go from the falklands to britain freely
>>72613586
It was called 'A most ungentlemanly Act' if i recall
great film and all on youtube i think
>>72613499
Tristan is literally a volcano, the entire island is a volcanic summit, 200-300 odd people live there and its like 3000 miles from the nearest other inhabited island/landmass. It could never go independent.
But I agree. Its stupid shit like that that weakens links and bonds.
Speaking of Tristan again (I know a bit about it, I have been to a few events devoted to it) the only outside connection is a bi monthly boat from a South African contractor from Cape Town.
Where as it was once a Royal Navy ship bringing in provisions, exporting the goods and mail.
It should still be this or at least an official British vessel maintaining these links.
The Turks and Caicos is an example of one of our BOI that has been pushed so far they are considering trying to join Canada due to neglect or weakening of the influence of the British government
On the flip side, I spoke to a girl from the British virgin islands a while back and her experiences, again, just one person saying this, but she told me that there is no real difference between the US and British virgin islands apart from constitutional ones
but there is a popular movement in the US virgin islands to leaving the United States and join the British virgin islands as they feel they are being neglected by Washington and would get a better deal under London
its a fascinating quirk
>>72613535
>I still am baffled while Fine Gael and Enda never put forward a motion to rejoin the commonwealth
Because they have to keep the Gaelic-speaking inbred happy. There is a reason one-million Irish citizens live in the UK, because it's barely tolerable here for anyone doesn't conform to the idiocy that is Irish Cultural Nationalism.
>>72613797
No, due to the EU, we have to accept Jovack, Slobodan, Fritz and Mario, but our government is determined to try and cut immigration to at 300,000 a year (fucking far too large), but 290,000 of that total are EU migrants they can't legally touch, so the rest of the world and the BOI have to fight over the last 10,000
Assuming Trump wins, I can imagine closer relationships between the UK and the US. His mother was from Scotland.
>>72613926
Well the difference between neglected islands like Tristan da Cunha and The Turks and Caicos, and places like the British Virgin Islands, is that the latter is a tax haven and has plenty of money of it's own to through around. They would be feeling just as neglected if it weren't for that.
>>72612642
M8, I love the Commonwealth. It's the influence of the EU that has messed up my country and traditional alliances. I don't want my land to have laws made in Belgium by some unelected bureaucrats. The historical and cultural links especially in Anglo countries are very deep. When I visit my brother in Canada, or my sister in New Zealand, or friends in USA, I don't really feel "abroad".
If I go to Norway, France or Germany, which are much closer and easier to visit, then I feel like a foreigner. I can travel by ship to all those countries. I try to avoid flying as it terrifies me. I much prefer the sea. But often have to fly for work, also to see my family.
There's something about being in a metal tube in the sky that goes against my instinct.
>>72614065
To add to this, Commonwealth citizens are a special position to the rest of the world (excluding the fucking EU), so Commonwealth citizens have a far easier time immigrating to the UK than non Commonwealth people.
I know a few Americans who are basically being told to fuck off out of the UK because the Home Office is tightening up the immigration system (how much you earn if the big one, you need a job with at least 30,000K a year to even be considered being allowed a residency permit, let alone citizenship).
Where as Canadians have a far easier (but still hard) time to get permanent residency, due to being in the Commonwealth
For example Students from the Commonwealth are far likely to get on a course in the UK opposed to US, Arab or Chinese students, unless you are rich as fuck
>>72614210
they should just give pitcarin island to nz so we can add it to our collection along with cook islands, niue and tokelau
>>72614348
you have pretty much blocked us now and also you got rid of the british grandparent rule which also has kept evermore of us out
>>72611388
Love it when the Brits say shit like this, but then their entire economy is utterly dependent upon the Commonwealth. It's like when they say the Queen is just ceremonial, but then a government falls and the PM goes to beg the Queen for permission to reboot.
>>72614210
The BVI doesn't take tax, like Cayman, its not like corporations are paying a super low rate of tax to the local government, they aren't paying any tax at all.
The reason Cayman is and maybe BVI are such wealthy places if rich people need to own property and be resident there in order to benefit from the tax regime.
There is still poverty in the Caymans and BVI, its just hidden behind the scenes.
Cayman actually have to receive financial assistance from London in order to meet its funding needs for its government and police.
Its not like these places are actually benefiting from being tax havens
>>72614452
Yeah, its a fucking disgrace. I find it obscene that Australians and New Zealanders are being excluded in favour of Romanians and Poles.
Its why we need to get the fuck out of the EU.
This will irreparably damage our relations if its a long term thing.
British soft power in the commonwealth, especially AusNZCan is a large part down to young Aussies, Kiwis and Canadians coming here on working holidays or to study
>>72614369
The Pitcairn Islands are under the jurisdiction of the Governor-General of New Zealand already.
>>72614662
Only in being represented by the Queen, everything else on Pitcairn is still fully under the jurisdiction of the British foreign office.
But it will probably move to the position where Pitcairn goes the way of Nuie and the Cook islands
>>72614662
yeah but they should be added to the realm of nz
>>72614613
most of nz only have an cause for a republic or flag change because they said britain abandoned us by join the EEC which killed our trade and your migration limits stopped us from coming compared my parents generation when you could stay and work in UK forever
>>72614857
Oh believe me, I totally agree.
It was shameful the way our country retreated into little Europeanism.
Thankfully a big part of debate here is that we can rectify this by Brexit and re engaging with our brothers and sisters in the Commonwealth.
its a shame that your prime ministers have been kowed by Cameron to tow the Europhile line that'd you'd prefer us in the EU
If I am going to be honest, I think we'll lose the referendum. We may have a level pegging in the polls, but its clear the government is going out of its way to rig the referendum as far as it can legally go
>>72614857
Ireland and the United Kingdom have an arrangement where any citizen of Ireland can live, work and vote in the UK without British citizenship and vice versa. The same should be extended to New Zealand, Canada and Australia or else the connection that these countries have will be dead in a few generations.
>>72613547
That edge is sharp you're going to have to bin it.
>>72615103
we always hear that Asia is our future and britain is the past by the media
>>72610152
What the fuck is our flag doing in pic related?
We're not part of your faggoty commonwealth.
>>72615191
You're technically a part of the Anglosphere, although you're only like 30% Anglo now. WASPs are dead.
>>72615184
Ours is ''Britain doesn't have an Empire any more, why leave the EU and retreat into isolationism''
http://fotbot.org/
if anyone is interested, this is a good organisation that is devoted to strengthening and representing the BOT's in the UK
>>72614452
>you have petty much blocked us now
I know you're using a collective 'you' for UK as a whole. I don't like it that Australians have any difficulty coming to UK. It pisses me off.
When I go to Australia, I just need my passport. I'm not sure about work permits as I can always find cash in hand jobs. Also there is a three month limit on staying. But I wouldn't want to stay more than three months. The heat is unbearable. It's permanently cold here.
>>72615734
He's not Australian.....
He's New Zealander
>>72615911
I'm pretty sure that was bait.
>>72615264
The British Commonwealth is an actual thing and we ain't in it.
The US doesn't participate in commonwealths or any other such cuckoldry.
We kicked those faggot ass Brits out centuries ago and haven't looked back.
The Commonwealth is merely an intergovernmental organisation like any of the thousands of others that exist. In fact in the scheme of intergovernmental organisations, the Commonwealth is a very, very weak and inconsequential one. Basically its only functions are charitable and to hold a little-watched sporting competition every few years. Countries from India and Malaysia to South Africa and New Zealand are members. I think people here are mistakenly making too much of it. Then you have the Commonwealth 'realms' which have Queen Elizabeth as head of state.
These countries are all long independent of each other and her title in Australia, for example, is Queen of Australia - a separate capacity and indeed monarchy from her role as Queen of Canada or Queen of UK. Australia could for example change its succession law so it passes to females before males and UK could retain its own succession law so that if Prince William died, the Queen of Australia would be his daughter and the king of UK would be his son. In practice all the Queen's duties (which are ceremonial) are exercised by the governor general of the relevant nation (actual executive power being exercised by the Prime Minister). 2 or more countries having the same monarch by historical coincidence was very common in Europe through history so there is not in fact some special connection between these countries.
Amusingly, in the UK, they allow citizens of commonwealth countries to vote in their elections and have a few migration perks. Tellingly. this is not reciprocated in any other Commonwealth country like Australia or Canada who provide no benefits to citizens of other Commonwealth countries. I think this basically shows that it is something that only gets attention in the UK because it allows them to remember the good old days when they were a world power
>>72610152
Don't lump us in with the rest of you mouthbreathers.
