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Its fucking weird. You can go back and watch Friedman argue with protectionist on youtube for hours. Every thing he promised never came to fruition and the protectionist were right.
It doesn't matter though even after he is proved wrong he is still idolized.
>>72575458
It's because Friedman's ideas were never fully implemented. You can't have Free Trade and also welfare and minimum wage. The two ideas are economic doublethink.
>>72575723
>muh real communism has never been implemented
>>72575723
That's what fundamentally wrong with those kinds of arguments. The free market paradise where everything in theory works will never occur in reality. You have to go with what works and has worked in the past; protectionism.
>>72575723
But how are the two mutually exclusive?
>>72575723
Also you're confusing free trade with a free market. Sad!
>>72575458
>muh dick
>>72575458
>I-It never actually happened
>Has affordable micro-computers faster than desktops thanks to comparative advantage
>Has increasingly efficient cars with parts manufactured all over the world
>Has cheap food of all types all season, thanks to free trade
>We need tariffs and shit nigga
>>72575909
He can't understand that practice and theory are different, he also doesn't understand that sometimes people lie about stuff.
He's like a gullible 5 year old who believes anything he's told
>>72575458
>everything they promised came true
The economy managing to continue means nothing about what is working or not working
Learn what seen vs unseen means
Factual vs counterfactual
Or if you're especially retarded and need to be spoonfed, just read up on the broken window fallacy
And if you find your swarthy retarded north African ancestor genes still keeping you dirt stupid, then just wait a couple years for the effects of negative interest rates and another loan bubble
Of course by then europe will be overrun by mudslimes and it will just blame all its problems on that (not to say the migration won't create and contribute on its own)
>>72575941
You can't have free trade and taxation, regulation, and subsidization.
>>72575458
>proved wrong
Wait... Minimum wage, social security, public schools, etc. were abolished?
>>72575458
Libertarianism and ultra capitalism is a cancer upon western civilization.
Of course he is wrong about the free market being the fixer of all woes, and of course he will still be idolized. The people who push for libertarianism no it is a poison.
>>72576153
>phones are faster than desktops
2/10. At least try next time
>>72575458
>tfw no Fap
>tfw resist this picture
I've broken the conditioning.
>>72576153
these guys will learn their lesson under Trump or Bernie
The world is just not ready yet for a small govt., free trade/market candidate
>>72575941
Explain the profound difference so we can argue under your personal snowflake terms please
>>72576299
My shit 20 dollar phone has more processing power than the desktop I had in high school.
>>72576299
Your phone is faster than almost any average consumer desktop made before 2008
>>72576291
>the ideology opposed mostly by banks
>it's Jewish
Hue
>>72576291
Capitalism is the right to personal property. You're retarded if you're against this.
>>72575458
>OP
Any more pics of those QTs?
>>72575458
Who is the girl on the right?
>>72576177
>>72576345
>being that mad
Lol.
>>72576488
>>72576493
I've no idea, I would have a proper filename otherwise.
>>72575458
>and the protectionist were right.
Uhh this is utter bullshit. We have foreign cars, foreign computers, probably import the gas in our tanks, everything we buy at Walmart is from China (and cheap as fuck)
Do you literally even know anything OP, or just hitting statist talking points for the shekels?
>>72576460
Capitalism is the recognition that value is create through mutual exchange
Right to personal property speaks more to propensity of a market being more free, unless you're referring to the moral obligation
>>72576291
>Capitalism was invented by Jews
>Socialism was invented by Jews
What do we do lads
>>72576153
The reason why computers have gotten faster and more affordable is primarily due to advancements made in technology from research. Similar thing with more efficient cars. The US is an agricultural giant on its own anyway, and nobody is suggesting putting tariffs on food. However, the lack of protection for US industry has caused man manufacturing jobs to evaporate from this country.
>>72575867
>You have to go with what works and has worked in the past; protectionism.
>Protectionism
>Works
I guess if you're Soros or Bill Gates it works. Everybody else gets fucked over, but who cares about the little people right shillbot?
>>72575458
Because he has a huge nose and we all worship Mammon now. Thanks RayGun. Ironically it is his own policies that kill this """"""prosperity"""""" but Heebs gon Heeb
>>72576449
>>72576425
No shit niggers. A brand new civic is faster than a race car from the 20's. The sky is blue, and dogs bark
Let me know when you find a phone that's better than a modern pc
>>72576836
Protectionism is literally to protect the country's own workers. Ok for Israelis. Never for Americans. Corporate socialism. Privatised losses
>>72576836
What? Outsouring labor to third world shitholes is what benefits corporations and hurts domestic workers. Without protectionism, the US would have never been a world power. We would have been swallowed by Britain and France.
>>72576754
Do you know the definition of capital or capitalism which is the right to own capital free of state intervention?
>>72575458
An-caps and other similar lolbertarian faggots are the right wing version of commies
>muh special "true" version has never been tried!!!!
>if you don't implement 100% of my own personal pet characteristics it won't work!!!!!!
>REEEEEEEEE
Kek, the problem is you retarded economist voodoo niggers look at all economy as an amorphous blob.
Why does it matter if we import a few million shitskins? It grew the GDP 8%!!! You. Are. Fucking. Dumb.
>>72575867
You get two concise examples of harmful economic manipulation and suddenly their abolition is a fantasy?
>>72576581
Great retort spaghetti
>>72576770
http://www.marketplace.org/2014/05/20/business/ive-always-wondered/how-much-would-all-american-iphone-cost
Its affordable because comparative advantage means the cheapest labor, materials, and processing is used for the end product. Americans no longer working in factories isn't a bad thing, it just means they have to learn more useful skills to be relevant in the economy.
>>72576770
the problem with free trade arises from trade with communist totalitarian countries like China who don't play by the same rules we capitalist unionized nations play by which gives them an unfair advantage on a global scale (cheap labor bc no labor laws, little to no environments regulations, etc.)
the best way to approach this globalism vs protectionism thing in my opinion would be free trade with countries who play by the same rules you play by, and tariffs on cheating countries.
>>72575458
DONT TREAD ON ME
>>72575723
The Welfare state came first, dumbass, Free Trade was needed to pay for it.
And the cause of the Welfare State?
Sexual Liberation, of fucking course
>>72576493
Maria Ryabushkina
ive got you anon
>>72576770
>the lack of protection for US industry has caused man manufacturing jobs to evaporate from this country.
Are you OK spending $3,000 dollars for your Iphone?
OK with you if the cheapest laptop is a couple grand for a shitty laptop (Like the 'protected' American cars of the 80s?)
By the theory of comparative advantage, we should let the Chinese and Indians do what they do best, (slave away for us making things for five dollars a day) and we do what we do best. (Whatever that is Im not sure)
Their bodies are incredible, but their faces leave much to be desired.
>>72575458
He wasn't proven wrong though. His idealised extreme has been proven conclusively throughout history to be superior to the idealised extremes of managed economies found in Socialism and Communism.
The problem is that currently we are suffering under a hybrid system that venerates the worst elements of both systems.
>>72575861
this
>>72577115
Why should I respond with an argument to something that clearly lacks an argument? In fact it would be impossible to do so. Are you literally retarded?
>>72575723
>he thinks free trade is bad because of social safety nets instead of because free trade with undeveloped countries is stupid as fuck because of labor cost disparity
>his solution is to remove social safety nets so both nations are shitholes instead of just the developing one
Jidf?
>>72576662
>>72576488
>>72576493
Maria Ryabushkina on the right and Krystal Boyd on the left.
>>72577056
You do know the working definition of Google is garbage right?
Capitalism isn't a practical application, it's a theory
Capitalism isn't mutually exclusive with state intervention, there are many types of state intervention, like having a rule of law and even enforcing property rights is a state intervention
>>72577363
Reported.
>>72576291
Are you comparing Milton Friedman and Murray Rothbard to George Soros and Larry Silverstein?
Not every person of Jewish heritage is guilty of social slavery through currency manipulation. Friedman described the minimum wage as the most anti-negro law in the books. Would an NWO-pushing Rockefeller-aligned hyperkike dare say such a thing?
>>72576915
>A brand new civic is faster than a race car from the 20's
But that's incorrect..
>>72577448
>Krystal Boyd
real name Anjelica Ebbi
>>72576291
Wew
>>72577433
The government of china spending shit tons of money to keep their labor cheap is nothing but a boon for us making everything cheaper and us more wealthy. As the economy becomes more globalized and automated, you need more skills to create wealth just because you want a free ride of unskilled retail or manufacturing labor to get you a white picket fence doesn't mean you'll get it.
>>72577363
I have.
My balls started to tingle a little but Boner has been averted.
>>>72576836 (You)
> Protectionism is literally to protect the country's own workers. Ok for Israelis. Never for Americans. Corporate socialism. Privatised losses
"Protects the workers" at the expense of the consumers, and also hurts the workers in foreign countries (who then immigrate here anyway defeating the retarded purpose of protectionsim) And Israel is an idiotic example to use, because their "economy" is just having America send all our money to them every year.
> >>72576836 (You)
> What? Outsouring labor to third world shitholes is what benefits corporations and hurts domestic workers.
Benefits consumers, and the entire economy. You and I are both posting from foreign made devices. Which we were able to buy because they can be made cheaply in China/Thaiwan (but not in America)
>Without protectionism, the US would have never been a world power. We would have been swallowed by Britain and France.
A lie. We fought the revolutionary war for the right to have free trade, and the South fought the Civil war for the same reason (but lost)
>>72577117
>>72577256
If you bring those manufacturing jobs back to the US, you insert much more money into our local economy and allow real wages to finally go up instead of stagnating for all this time. Not everyone can be highly skilled and a service economy can only go so far. I'm not saying literally everything has to be manufacture here, but the US policy of letting free trade without any assurance of markets on the otherside has not been good for workers. People need jobs; not consumer products.
>>72577182
I would agree with this overall sentiment.
>>72577063
/thread
>>72577611
>manual labor
>free ride
ITT: Retarded faggots who enrolled in Youtube Economics and stopped there.
Please kill yourselves.
>>72577111
Minimum wage and welfare and the like will never ever go away. The free market isn't real.
>>72576761
Third Postion
>>72577780
>>72577740
Its literally the "I don't want to think or develop myself give me money for being a warm body job" Forcefully implementing manufacturing jobs is just another form of welfare, extremely inefficient one at that.
If you want the unskilled working class to be richer just pay a basic income, this really helps no one in the end.
>>72577313
>The problem is that currently we are suffering under a hybrid system that venerates the worst elements of both systems.
Mercantilism, which plunders the regular people of our country and likewise the workers of the third world, while enriching the oligarchs, and the government oligarchs, who profit by stuffing tax money in their pockets (tariffs)
Funny how the governments solution, excuse me, "solution" to everything, is make the people pay higher and higher taxes, which Clinton./Obama/Soros stuff in their pockets.
>>72577683
Nice job
Fuck off >>72577476 it was a test
>>72577463
>I'm a communist please my definition is better
Ok comrade.
>>72577975
>If you want the unskilled working class to be richer just pay a basic income, this really helps no one in the end.
Exactly. We're going to have to go a basic income soon enough anyway, I think, as an increasing number of Americans will not be smart enough to obtain the skills needed to be successful in the modern economy.
>>72577343
Why is this the response you weasels always pull out?
Just shut the fuck up if you can't come up with a response
My first post implies that you are fallaciously asserting that the current state of things implies your assertion.
Moreover you're asserting the current state of events is the end, and that we've concluded our observations and everything friedman said is therefore wrong, ignoring the future.
There is no economist on earth that promises definite amounts of time to any economic process, least of all supply siders who think these processes can take many decades
>>72577975
>getting paid to work is welfare
So we tax all of the people that acquired a higher skill-set to pay for the unemployed, unskilled labor`s "basic income?"
Or do we force companies to pay it using some sort of governing body?
I`m sure you`ll get to wear that boot someday.
>>72578140
>Fuck off it was a test
That's what your dad said too.
>>72577717
>Benefits consumers, and the entire economy. You and I are both posting from foreign made devices. Which we were able to buy because they can be made cheaply in China/Thaiwan (but not in America)?
A lot of assumption there. Intel has some manufacturing in the US.
>A lie. We fought the revolutionary war for the right to have free trade, and the South fought the Civil war for the same reason (but lost)
Yes, and the Union one, enacted protectionist policies like Hamilton suggested and we had a huge industrial boom.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_%28economics%29
>>72576761
YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT
>>72577975
>Forcefully implementing manufacturing jobs
No we just want to provide incentives for companies to invest in manufacturing in the US to benefit our local economy.
>>72578239
>Moreover you're asserting the current state of events is the end, and that we've concluded our observations and everything friedman said is therefore wrong, ignoring the future.
Aaaaany minute now.
>>72575458
This is well-constructed bait. Unfortunately, there's not a single shred of evidence backing it up. The free market is the only route to sustainable economic development, and Namibia, Chile, China, Australia, and Canada have proven this on literally every inhabited continent.
Isn't it odd, that the most protectionist and interventionist nations tend to be the least successful? Russia, France, and Cuba come to mind.
>>72577975
Actually it's a national security risk to be completely dependent on foreign countries for basic goods. We would be fucked because we couldn't produce anything for ourselves if we needed to. We'd have to completely retool the few factories we have left and open many more on short notice.
Also there was a huge story about how Chinese made computer chips in our missiles are completely compromised. I guess this is the America you want though. Completely dependent on other countries all for a few cheap goods.
Inb4 muh low prices is everything in life
>>72575458
/pol/ is a great source for qt girls
>>72578480
*add Switzerland to the list
>>72577256
I'm okay with it if it meant the availability of disposable income to the lowest earners was greatly increased. I imagine most people (due to age) on /pol/ wouldn't have much trouble affording iPhones even if they were $3k.
Now imagine wages hadn't stagnated so much over the past 30 years and even the lowest earners wouldn't have a problem affording it.
This addiction to using cheap 3rd world labor is temporary fix that creates more problems than it solves and due to inherent inefficiency with systems of increasing complexity and the real world results, the idea it is somehow making "us" more wealthy is laughable.
It surely has made a certain portion of "us" more wealthy but not the majority of "us." The supposed savings never materialize to the end user/consumer when manufacturing jobs are shipped overseas.
Tell me how much a Carrier A/C unit costs in 4 years when the plant has been shipped to Mexico and we see these fabulous end user savings rolling in ;^)
>>72577740
>If you bring those manufacturing jobs back to the US
OK go ahead, "bring back" jobs that are now in India and China which consist of factory workers making four dollars a day. Bring them back to the US and what have you got?
Are you going to pay your workers here $4 a day, or are you going to jack the prices of your (now) insanely uncompetitive Tv/Computer/Cell phone ten times higher than it was?
>The new Apple Iphone.........$7,000 get yours today!!
>>72578446
But you actually cause a recession in the local economy only helping a handful of situated working class individuals out of a job while all skilled workers pay more for the same goods.
>>72578282
Our economy is more than automated and productive enough to get enough revenue to slap into basic income, if you remove current welfare programs and replace them its almost already funded, and much better at stimulating GDP and job growth.
>>72578519
Its a two way street that ensures we don't go to war for some retarded amount of clay, and continue protecting each others interest. As long as the elite profit from relation to a country they wont send us to war in it.
>>72578782
Realistically, we'll just get gouged less by profiteering
>>72578519
(In a time of war)
Don't know how I left that out
>>72578545
ya desu i dont even go to /b/ for porn anymore i just use /pol/
>Every thing he promised never came to fruition and the protectionist were right.
first of all, that's bull.
second of all, europe and america are turning to shit because left wingers make the business climate unbearable.
>>72576836
>Bill Gates
>George Sauron
>not open borders free traders
either b8 or you're a massive retard
>>72578782
I don't only buy ifag products, so it doesn't really matter to me.
> Tv/Computer/Cell phone ten times higher than it was?
All assumption. $2k for an iphone is not that absurd really certainly not 10x the amount. There's more to life than cheap consumer goods.
>But you actually cause a recession in the local economy only helping a handful of situated working class individuals out of a job while all skilled workers pay more for the same goods.
I'm not proposing a 400% tariff on literally all foreign goods. As mentioned earlier, a tariff to keep Carrier in the US would benefit us.
>>72578317
>Yes, and the Union one, enacted protectionist policies like Hamilton suggested and we had a huge industrial boom.
And impoverished the south, for the pleasure of the North, so the Parasitic relationship just switched from England---colonies, to the Northern States to the South.
Those fighting for freedom, and the right to make honest money, fought for free trade, those fighting for plunder, fought for mercantilism and to parisitize their victim/.
>>72579356
Last part meant for >>72578840
>>72579395
I have no idea what you're talking about because the South rapidly industrialized after the civil war and made a ton of money.
Man oh man would I like to fuck both of those girls in the OP. Oooweee golly gee oh me oh my damn
>>72578462
Are you retarded?
You're argument is the equivalent of
>we see the window was broken
>we see the window shop selling a window
>thus breaking windows produces wealth
My argument is that you are ignoring the unseen, the opportunity cost. You're ignoring time, you're asserting presentism.
More fundamentally you're just shitposting and buzzwording in place of an actual argument
>>72578840
>ship unskilled labor overseas
>dumb people can't get jobs
>GRRR WHY ARE YOU DUMB PEOPLE ON WELFARE AND FOODSTAMPS?!?!
Lolbertarianism is a joke. I'd rather help out Timmy 2 Tooth who will spend all his money in our economy. Paying a bit more for goods, and let's cut the moronic you'll pay $7000 for an iphone bullshit, to keep jobs that help out your fellow countrymen and keep more money circulating in the local economy is a small price to pay.
If you can't afford a $1,300-2,000 iPhone you're one of these dirty poor uneducated rednecks you seem to loath.
>>72579575
>You're ignoring time, you're asserting presentism.
That's LITERALLY Marx' thesis on communism.
>>72578719
We already tried your brand of protectionism, and all we got were absolute crap, non-competitive in quality or price cars (70s and 80s) with the Detroit car workers making outrageously high salaries, and nobody else. Total disaster, and two of the three US auto companies were bankrupt or sold or some combination. Thank God for Toyota and Honda at least somebody made good cars.
And carrier moving to Mexico or not is a non-issue for me. If you consider Carrier has to compete with China and Korea and German brands to sell air-conditioners, moving to Mexico may be the only way for the company to stay solvent.
>>72577363
>>72575458
Goddamn it that blond has the best anal videos in the world.
>>72579216
>Open borders
>Free trade
>Thinking these two things are even related in some small way.
I'm glad you have that image saved on your hard drive. Maybe you can tape it to the seat in front of you on your short bus you take to school.
>>72580568
Reported.
>>72577117
Can everybody in the US become "educated" enough to have skills relevant in the economy?
That's what great about manufacturing. Somebody just smart enough to graduate high school can actually do something productive within the economy to support themselves rather than just rot away as a black hole on welfare.
Also how are you planning to train the legions of engineers to produce things without having factories around to cut their teeth on real design and manufacturing problems? This stuff is hard as fuck and is NOT taught in any real engineering curriculum.
>>72576153
Go home globalist, you're drunk
>>72580357
Japan's auto industry is highly protectionist and it works. Unfortunately, the US auto industry just turned to shit, so there's not much you can do when your country sucks even with tarriffs.
>>72580135
And? I've never asserted communism doesn't work because it wasn't tried correctly, I've asserted it won't work on other grounds
Your presentist argument fails anyway because the scope by which you examine the issue, which you have also not even attempted to define, apparently doesn't include all nations.
More rather than less market freedom has trended with more rather than less growth. Assuming capitalism has failed because growth has stagnated or whatever retarded metric you use is retarded for multiple reasons. Two most principally that it assumes the market has gotten more free and that the issue cannot possibly be the result of current trends that may or may not continue.
Of course economics isn't a science for reasons including some I've laid out, so asserting something as large as a macroeconomic thesis has failed when not even half a century has passed comes off a tad pretentious and faggoty
>>72581246
>country
industry*
>>72576291
>Ayn Rand
>Jewish
Are you absolutely retarded?
>>72581362
>Rand was born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum (Russian: Aли́ca Зинoвьeвнa Poзeнбayм) on February 2, 1905, to a Russian Jewish bourgeois
>>72581362
>Ayn Rand (/ˈaJn ˈrænd/;[1] born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum
>>72577975
A basic income is a stupid idea. You are giving somebody a stipend to warehouse themselves and cause no trouble, and quietly die. It is going to turn into a massive welfare state just like the Romans had, giving bread away to prevent the poor from rioting in Rome.
You have got to find a way to people to contribute to their own survival, or you will create a permanent underclass.
The current 'basic income' circle jerk reminds me so much of muh 'free trade' and Keynesian economics that is causing trouble now.
Academics creating theoretically perfect ideas that fail in practice.
>>72581703
>basic income reminds me of free trade
Lol
>academics creating ideas
Every idea is academic, asserting your special snowflake retardation is the single non academic practical application is hilarious
The rest of your post is fine
>>72580865
dude fuck off, youre getting free bumps, i just wanna know what scene that pic is from not talk about Friedman's form of Protectinosm which is honestly just ridiculous, Free Trade is a solid way to go, so is protectionism but how on earth and get you except that to work with socialist based policies backing it.
Krystal Boyds fine ass is a much better subject than this especially since every sane man knows that hes wrong
>>72576291
Um...aren't they kinda the two things that built western civilization?
>>72581411
>>72581454
If you've read any of her literature you would know that she wasn't religious.
" Faith, as such, is extremely detrimental to human life: it is the negation of reason."
Just because someone was born into a Jewish family, doesn't make that person Jewish. It's only if one CHOOSES to be Jewish does it make it so.
>>72581703
No, it's a good idea. An increasing number of Americans are going to be genetically incapable of learning the skills needed to find a job. You need to do something about these people.
I think UBI is probably more efficient than protectionism.
>>72582134
Being Jewish is genetic lad i.e. it's a race.
>>72582201
>you need to do something about these people
Yes, yes we do, anon
>>72581987
I think you are too young to remember Perot, and the 'great sucking sound' if you don't see the parallels.
"Free Trade" and now "basic Income" are not just academic ideas, they are political taglines. The same way with Keynesian economic ideas (though there is less of a tagline to them directly - its more "Deficits don't matter" and "Shovel ready projects").
Turning an academic idea into a political object and forming a sales pitch around them so you are "FOR or AGAINST". DO YOU HATE BABIES? (Abortion). This is what I mean.
This is really the "failure of the elite". The theoretical experts creating policies that the idiot politicians implement mindlessly.
>>72577880
/thread
>>72575909
If you have a minimum wage of $8 then your country cannot pay the labor less than $8.
If there js free trade and there is a country with a lower min wage, or no min wage at all then businesses will move there because they can get cheaper labor with no penalty for leaving.
This causes millions of lost jobs in the country with the minimum wage.
If there were no minimum wage then the labor market could fluctuate based on what a competitive value for the labor is.
If China's labor is $4 then American workers could offer $3.95 and undercut the Chinese workers.
Eventually you'll reach a market equilibrium.
If you want to have a minimum wage then there must be no free trade. You need higher tariffs so that it would cost a company more to outsource labor to a country with no min wage and import it into the U.S. than it would be to just hire a US worker and pay them the min wage.
The more "free trade" the US gets involved in the more jobs that'll be outsourced overseas, because our labor pool cannot be competitive on the worls stage because our minimum wage legally does not allow us to be.
>>72575458
He was a Jew that did what Jews do best; push an agenda he knew was harmful to the common man, and manipulated powerful figures to do his bidding. The current situation with jobs leaving wholesale overseas is because of this dirty kike's neoliberal ideas. I don't know how anyone on /pol/ can seriously defend him
>>72582803
>too young to remember perot
No
>those are just tagine
Yes, when dishonest faggots like perot who have no interest on implementing them or even know their fundamental meaning.
>this is what I mean
You statement has no meaning, it lacks the thrust of an argument. Everyone knows politicians bullshit about academic theories for political points.
What does that have to do with whether the actual theories, seperate from the half baked versions of them, have merit?
Or is your post as inane as "objective truth doesn't exist"?
>>72577226
I don't understand what sexual liberation has to do with the economy. Explain please?
>>72582134
Literally no one attributes Jewish behavior to the religion alone. Their nepotism is towards people of the same race, not the same faith.
>>72582201
No. It is a dumb idea. In the 50's, 60's and say early 70's everybody could get a job out of high school and create enough wealth that they could earn a salary, and retire at 50. All that has happened since then is that technology has made people even more productive.
Now you say that some people are dead weight? Nope.
They are dead weight only because our society / culture and laws has made them uneconomic to employ. Perhaps minimum wage or liability laws, etc. Or even just making Bubba Joe compete against a starving Chinese farmer who is delighted by the opportunity to die in a factory at 45.
Basic Income is an idea that only makes sense looking at the steaming failure of 30 years of political and economic mismanagement and not seeing the failure part.
It is a stupid band-aid patch on a steaming pile of shit.
>>72577313
A real capitalist should deploy capital to actually produce something.
I don't think this is what Soros does.
>>72582075
Not really. The Roman Republic was about to collapse from the super rich aristocrats buying up all the land, employing shitskin slaves instead of native romans and legislating things that were only in their interest, not the interest of all Romans, before big daddy big government Augustus stepped in and told them to knock it off. Sounds kinda like what's happening in the US nowadays, only you have no Caesar to save you.
>>72575458
Are those cuties legal yes or no?
POST MOAR
>>72577117
Tell me, my Jewish friend, what "comparative advantage" the USA has in trading with China or India?
>>72583094
What are you talking about? Perot had every intent of shit-canning NAFTA.
I am saying that unmolested free trade, Keynesian economics, are unmitigated disasters (christ check out Krugman selling the Japanese on doubling down even after zero effect). This stuff was / is sold by 'experts' that are in fashion just because what they sell is politically expedient.
They are stupid ideas.
Just like basic income.
>>72578782
clearly your too young to remember how we in America were sold the whole 'everything will be cheaper when produced overseas you'll have more money meme' Turns out that everything cost the same regardless if it was being made by Americans earning a living wage or slaves making nothing and the corporations making bank.
