>be me
>25 male
>wake up
>get dressed for work
>turn off my 5 AC units
global warming accelerated due to excessive C02 lvls, so it's always around 50 degrees c
>drive to work
>pay daily 1 bitcoin road fee
the road companies now have a monopoly on roads
>arrive at work
>grab my baton
>start beating the child slaves at the factory so they work faster
>accidentally kill one
>his bones are sold for a profit
>go to local WalMart™
they have a monopoly on literally all consumer goods
>buy new face mask to protect myself from the shitty air
>go home
>dont see my neigbor
>turns out he tried to start his own business and was assassinated by WallMart™ hitmen
>order some LSD bc why not
>3 days later it arrives
>make my child slave try it first
>he dies, it was stepped on with arsenic, probably
>get salary cut
>now i cant afford food
>its ok, i can just go get another job
>quit my job
>get paid the same shitty wages at another place
all corporations are cartels now, and regulate wages, so they stay low and prices stay high
>cant afford food
>die
its ok, guyz, there was no coercion in that scenario so it was my fault
Are you mad you'll never get pic related from bernie?
>>72541627
im not a bernie fag
if that pic = socialism, this one = capitalism
>>72541627
>you will never get to go into a grocery store and gaze upon the empty shelves with reverence
>you will never get to thank god emperor maduro for stability and prosperity
>you will never be accosted by roving gangs of tamponless women
>you will never be stripped of your clothes
>you will never see them make tampons out of your clothes
>you will never get the shit kicked out of you by the secret police
>you will never get to hang out with colombian food smugglers
>you will never get to have any more currency because the government can't afford to print it
>you will never thank chavez for making venezuela a socialist paradise
>you will never blame America for everything
Feels bad man.
>>72541967
chaves =/= socialismo
>>72541627
"socialist"
>>72541627
capitalist
>>72542081
He literally called himself a socialist.
>>72542081
name me the last real socialist regime then.
>>72542171
so did bernie, but he's just a state capitalist, not a socialist who actualy wishes to do away with the class structure and is at least critical of current sociopolitical hierarchy
>>72542233
probably early, early USSR
Monopolies cannot form in a free market.
>>72542341
You just confirmed you don't know shit. The answer was Qaddafi.
>>72542422
>nationalizes the oil industry
SOCIALIST!1!1!!
>>72542621
yeah
>>72542307
What the hell am I reading?
He's a full blown socialist, who penalized the hell out of companies and fixed both currency and prices everywhere, crashing his economy with no survivors.
No amount of mental gymnastics can interpret any of his actions as capitalist
>>72542393
That's not true if I own the system :)
>>72542741
socialism could be difined as:
1. A belief that human society can and should be organised along social lines - that is, for the benefit of all, rather than for the profit of a few 2. A type of reformist politics advocating nationalised industries and workers rights 3. In Orthodox Marxist theory, the stage after capitalism but before Communism in which the dictatorship of the proletariat rules and individuals are paid according to how much they work. China, the USSR, etc. all claimed to be in this socialist stage, none ever claimed to be in communism. That is why the USSR was called the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics and not the Union of Soviet Communist Republics. 4. Also a form of post revolutionary society in its own right.
>>72542393
make money -> get capital -> more money -> more capital -> buy other smaller businesses -> more money -> more capital -> repeat until monpoly : /
>>72542959
then how is my answer of Qaddafi wrong?
>>72542741
and this >>72542959
is not what bernie is
>>72541278
So you're basically a turbo-kike?
>>72542233
>last real socialist regime then.
thought u said first
Gaddafi was a socialist, he turned libya socialist, for a while. The country was pretty divided and socialism never really progressed though
>>72543376
im indicting anarcho capitalism, not promoting it
>>72543611
I don't believe you, first you implied he wasn't socialist only because nationalized the oil industry which happens to be the main industry in libya.
>>72542422
Then you saw your mistake when you brought up the definitions.
>>72542959
Now you seem to be trying to seem cover your ass by saying you misread the first post.
>>72542959
>1. A belief that human society can and should be organised along social lines - that is, for the benefit of all, rather than for the profit of a few
This is an oxymoron, all applications of socialism end up being worse for all, but for the sake of argument he did believed he was beneffiting the whole.
>2. A type of reformist politics advocating nationalised industries and workers rights
He nationalized a lot of efficient, working companies and run them to the ground, among them:
The whole venezuelan oil industry
Ternium Sidor (mining and iron processing)
All venezuelan TV channels
Most electricity companies in the country
Cemex, Holcim and Lafrange (Concrete companies)
Big supermarket and pharmacies chains, farms, among aother things.
>3. In Orthodox Marxist theory, the stage after capitalism but before Communism in which the dictatorship of the proletariat rules and individuals are paid according to how much they work.
"Socialism of the 21st century (Spanish: Socialismo del siglo XXI) is a political term used to describe the interpretation of socialist principles advocated first by Heinz Dieterich in 1996 and later by Latin American leaders like Hugo Chávez of Venezuela [...]"
"According to Dieterich “the program of the Socialism of the 21st Century is necessarily a revolutionary one” in that the existing society is replaced by a “qualitatively different system."[1] This revolution, however, should be a gradual process that does not employ violence but instead utilizes participative democracy to secure power, education, scientific knowledge about society and international cooperation. Dieterich suggests the construction of four basic institutions within the new reality of post-capitalist civilization:
Equivalence economy, which should be based on Marxian labour theory of value and which is democratically determined by those who directly create value, instead of market-economical principles[...]"
Cont...
>>72543976
k, lets say gaddafi was the last socialist regime.
what does that imply?
>>72541818
>welfare ghettoes
>capitalism
Yeah, sure.
>>72544317
>This is an oxymoron, all applications of socialism end up being worse for all, but for the sake of argument he did believed he was beneffiting the whole.
The USSR formed in 1922.
the countries in the USSR went from being shitholes, to being a l i t e r a l world superpower in just a few years.
the 5 year plan was a huge success, production along the lines of resources went up in some cases 500+%.
The USSR went from fucking nothing to beating the US in 2/3 categories of the space race
1. first satellite in orbit
2. first man in space
3. only lost to US when it came to getting to the moon.
the USSR held off the might of germany in WWII, and would have been successful in everything else had stalin not taken over, and WWII took a massive toll on the USSR
>>72544847
dont tell me capitalism didn't create those conditions for welfare to exist in the first place
>>72544678
That you really dont know a lot about socialist regimes and should be disregarded for the most part.
>>72542959
>>72544317
That was from
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_of_the_21st_century
Which is the ideology which Chaves followed.
Just garden variety socialism with a slight twist.
4. Also a form of post revolutionary society in its own right.
Chaves believed he was a revolutionary, continuing the dreams of a unified South America of Simon Bolivar.
Venezuela right now is a post-revolutionary society, pic related.
I don't even know why I'm humoring you, he called himself "socialist of the XXI century", followed marxists-leninist principles.
>>72545229
You mean it created such wealth that those who didn't contribute to the growth of wealth seemed worse off in comparison and some people took pity on them/was scared of rioting so they started to tax other productive people so they could subsidize poverty?
Well, I guess so.
>pay daily 1 bitcoin road fee
paying $450 a day to use the roads @_@
>>72545350
nah, i pulled it from revleft bc i didnt feel like typing it myself
im the capitalist of the century and define capitalism to be:
an economic system where people who are poor get welfare and everyone is happy and sells goods and services
does that make me a "by the book capitalist"
no
>>72545381
nicely said krautbro. who are you voting for this next election?
>>72545381
most people there cant work.
i dont mean cant as in physically, but lots of people get drug charges or stupid shit and have to be on welfare because no one will hire them. and they cant dig themeslves out because wages are way to low?
>>72545125
The the USSR followed the classical socialist cycle to a T:
>Oligarchs have money, common people have not.
>Socialism comes, confiscates money from rich, give it to poor
>Poor people enjoy a short period of abundance
>Rich people, seeing that their money will be taken, stop making money or flee to other countries
>Country collapses because it's whole economy depended on taking money from the rich
During Chaves, Venezuela had a never seen before period of prosperity. Gas was dirt cheap, everyone had two cars, food was plenty and cheap. Whenever the economy was starting to decline, he just nationalized another industry and let the party continue. Now Venezuela has run out of companies to nationalize, and behold, shelves are empty.
>>72541278
You do realize that corporations wouldn't exist in an anarchist society?
>>72547329
>people would stop banding together in groups in an anarchist society
>>72547329
can you elaborate
>>72547039
then it's not an ideological problem, it sounds more like a logistical one that happens during the transition state
>>72547039
thats not at all what happened
the truth is some other rich people can and stole some other rich peoples shit
but these thieving rich people were actually pretending to be working for the poor
they threw the poor some meat
then proceeded to slaughter them
learn how the ruling class actually works
its an elite order when doesn't comply to your pathetic methods of logic
>>72541278
>he fell for the evil world view the left created
wew lad
if humans are so bad how come civilized societies take care of those who are in need? people with disabilities and shit
if it was all so bad why do we do it in the first place
and no its not because the government forces us with guns to do it
capitalism is inherently altruistic and if you fail to realize this you are just brain washed scum and its not our fault your world view is so degenerate, disgusting and evil (like the left wants it to be)
>>72542422
">dömipöp"
>>72550144
humans by nature are not terrible creatures, it's just capitalism provides a way to override our "altruistic" nature in search of obscene profits
