Lets say someone (legally of course) regularly CC's a glock 19 with multiple 30rd'ers
And just like this guy with his MAGA hat,get surrounded,and upon further escalation,one of the leftards in the crowd punches,pushes,slaps,spits and in many whichways assaults him,etc.
Would it within reason to slot the fucker/s ?
What would you do in a similar situation?
>>72527318
Yeh I'd sloot'em
>>72527318
was this written in the year 1884? It sounds like Tom Sawyer mixed with Yosemite Sam
>>72527501
>tom sawyer mixed with yosemite sam
From bumfuck,illinois.close enough
>>72527318
Absolutely you'd be justified. These people have already proven violent. Remember the kid who got brutally assualted in his campus restroom for wearing a Trump shirt? The left has fucked up amd gotten violent enough times to justify self defense in that situation. Fire till the trigger goes click click.
>>72527736
I' just sayin because of the peculiar repercussions nowadays,with media exposure and whatnot.
Anyone of us could be demonized as the next evil nadzi zimmerman who ventilate carl the cuck/gud boy he din du nuffin he tryna get his life on track
>>72527501
Kek
>>72527318
you could, but you'd def get charges pushed on you and you would 100% lose.
when you get a CC you're supposed to avoid putting yourself in situations like that.
It'd be another matter if you were protesting and they came to you and started this shit. It becomes a lot more grey.
>>72529194
>when you get a CC you're supposed to avoid putting yourself in situations like that.
Where does it say that in the laws? I get so tired of this fudd shit when it comes to firearms law.
>>72527318
Depends on the state and whether or not the dude was smart about it. If I recall correctly the dudes that shot the people at the blm protest were more or less fully justified but didn't they get fucked over anyway?
>>72529194
Wrong, you don't give up your rights to free speech just because you carry a weapon.
>>72527318
Anybody else notice the two plainclothes police escorting him through the crowd masquerading as anti-trump protesters to strategically employ VIP protection techniques?
The dudes in the baseball cap and sunglasses can be clearly seen maneuvering him out of vulnerable positions in the crowd and shouting anti-trump slogans when they have to forcibly press him past people who might actually want him to do harm.
Did this guy come with a police detail or are they just GG undercovers choosing to protect a private citizen rather than participate in active provocation of protesters?
>>72527318
>conceal carry with 30 rounds magazines
Sounds like a giant tool and deserves whatever comes to him.
>>72527318
kill em all pepe
kill em all
>>72529194
>>tfw you live in a 'stand your ground' state
>>72529632
It's the courts that will interp the law, not the defendant.
>>72529780
See
>It'd be another matter if you were protesting and they came to you and started this shit. It becomes a lot more grey.
You're provoking a response that require you to respond with lethal force. This is the definition of vigilantism.
tldr arm yourselves, but don't go out and do stupid shit like this. it will just give the left more fuel.
>>72530251
communistfornia is not such a state :/
>>72530366
I'm not buying that. There is video evidence of battery, with the possibility of it escalating into assault. The guy is being swarmed. I would have opened fire
>>72530780
Here's how the trial will happen.
>did you shoot all those people?
>yes your honor i did
>you said it was self defense?
>yes your honor it was
>did you walk into this crowd of people or did the crowd of people find you?
>i well umm was exercising my freedom of speech your honor
>by walking into an anti-trump crowd and shouting pro-trump things? you do realize we have police at these rallies to keep opposing sides separate right? but you chose to circumvent the protection and chose to risk yourself.
>but i have the right to defend myself
>yes when trouble finds you and not when you go looking for it, despite what /pol/ might tell you that's called vigilantism, and we put people in jail for that
Seriously, I understand liberals need to be purged, but shooting up a lib crowd gonna make the trump cause look worse.
To all the retards here,i explicitly said you were assaulted just because of your hat,Not if you were some retard looking for trouble,but just someone who was in the wrong place (with the wrongn hat) at the wrong time.
It could happen anywhere,anytime,to anyone,armed or not
>>72531158
Yeah I agree on with this. Bringing a gun through a crowd would just be a shit storm. Really you should just start wearing MAGA street bike helmets and carry fucking bear mace. It be funny to watch these faggots getting head butted and maced as well
>>72527318
I think you would be convicted. They would expect you to avoid situations like the rally when you are armed. At most you could probably get away with throwing some punches.
>>72529939
I dont think that guy was undercover. I think he was one of those protestor s that push you without their hands. You could see him with his arms still around the guy walking him but showing his hands to the camera.
>>72530251
>tfw Indiana
>>72530366
>You're provoking a response that require you to respond with lethal force.
>walking in a public space
>provoking
surprised there isn't a fucking leaf next to you ID.
>>72530251
>>72530474
california is a SYG stage fucktards
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=pen&group=00001-01000&file=187-199
197. Homicide is also justifiable when committed by any person in
any of the following cases:
1. When resisting any attempt to murder any person, or to commit a
felony, or to do some great bodily injury upon any person; or,
2. When committed in defense of habitation, property, or person,
against one who manifestly intends or endeavors, by violence or
surprise, to commit a felony, or against one who manifestly intends
and endeavors, in a violent, riotous or tumultuous manner, to enter
the habitation of another for the purpose of offering violence to any
person therein; or,
3. When committed in the lawful defense of such person, or of a
wife or husband, parent, child, master, mistress, or servant of such
person, when there is reasonable ground to apprehend a design to
commit a felony or to do some great bodily injury, and imminent
danger of such design being accomplished; but such person, or the
person in whose behalf the defense was made, if he was the assailant
or engaged in mutual combat, must really and in good faith have
endeavored to decline any further struggle before the homicide was
committed; or,
4. When necessarily committed in attempting, by lawful ways and
means, to apprehend any person for any felony committed, or in
lawfully suppressing any riot, or in lawfully keeping and preserving
the peace.
198. A bare fear of the commission of any of the offenses mentioned
in subdivisions 2 and 3 of Section 197, to prevent which homicide
may be lawfully committed, is not sufficient to justify it. But the
circumstances must be sufficient to excite the fears of a reasonable
person, and the party killing must have acted under the influence of
such fears alone.
>>72532897
He can be seen 'pushing' the trump supporter out of immediate danger and generally acting as point guard for him throughout the video.
He means to appear as a protester but if you watch his behavior he is consistently obstructing other people's ability to get within physical range of the MAGA guy.
I would have drawn my 1911 and stood KY ground if they still kept trying to kick and push me, shots would have been fired. This is unamerican bullshit so use what our forefathers gave us, our guns motherfuckers!
>>72533747
>I would have drawn my 1911
>and tipped my fedora
>>72527318
The bigger problem is why are you letting foreign nationals threaten and intimidate USA citizen voters.
Grow a pair, take that Mexican flag they are waving and fucking burn it right in front of them. Make sure you scream "Remember the Alamo"!
>>72533885
Talk crap, get capped nigga.
>>72531158
This. Anyone who carrys knows not to put yourself in a position where you can use your gun. It should only be needed to save your life if you can't escape, and your life is in immediate danger. If you go looking for trouble, good luck in court. If trouble finds you, you have more than enough reason to defend yourself.
>>72527318
>Would it within reason to slot the fucker/s ?
Reasonable fear of death or great bodily harm.
Most states would classify that as self defense and if some libshit prosecutor came after you some states would let you use stand your ground.
I don't know about california carry laws, they would probably fuck him up the ass.
>>72534341
Almost like OP is a shill trying to trick good people into getting arrested.
>>72527318
I think you would be justified in most parts of the country but remember this happened in the Bay area of CA, probably doesn't have the most sensible stand your ground laws.
>>72533480
Did not know about this, thanks.
I recently moved to commiefornia and after i read about the anti-gun+anti-ccw in this state, i gave up and assumed SYG was cucked as well.
>>72527318
A conservitards daydreams. Why don't you think aboot joining the rest of humanity while you still have a few brain cells left?
>>72535093
>stand your ground laws.
Stand your ground would not even need to be used.
Basic self defense laws would handle such a situation.
Stand your ground is protection from prosecutors trying to claim you have a duty to retreat.
Stop bringing up stand your ground incorrectly and applying it to every self defense case like democrats.
Like zimmermans case.
He did not invoke stand your ground at any point during his trial it was a simple self defense case yet every nigger and democrap across the country cried to ban SYG even though it was not being invoked or had anything whatsoever to do with the case.
>>72529939
it was the same time trump was sneaking in the back for the event. he was just a distraction
>>72527318
FBI/dumb nigger please go
>>72527318
>Would it within reason to slot the fucker/s ?
One of the leftards? No. You might be tempted to draw, but it'd be your nigger brain talking and not your rationality.
If the whole crowd starts looking to participate or be party to an assault, then definitely unholster.
Obviously too there's when a prosecutor can argue you were just looking for trouble. Like if I outfit my truck with Carmageddon-style weapons like buzzsaws and decide to hang around in places where riots are likely, I'd be in huge shit if I decide to burn donuts and cut some liberal limbs off.
>>72527318
>carrying 30 rounds magazines for an 19.
Certified NRA range safety officer and CCW instructor here.
...annnnd you're going to jail for the rest of your life if you start spraying into the crowd.
Anytime you're in a situation that requires you to produce your firearm you always assume a camera is watching and a Jury will look at your 30 round extended magazine as overkill for practical defense.
>>72536000
>Certified NRA range safety officer and CCW instructor here.
Does this make you a legal expert?
How many cases of self defense with 30 round glock mags have you tried?
for my /pol/ bros https://www.texaslawshield.com/ has a great book on when lethal force is justified but it is Texas centric.
>>72536821
prosecutors will use everything they can to make you look bad and high cap mags will do that. always carry the smallest possible. I love my 25 round glock 24 mags but I carry 10 round glock26 because it makes you look bad in front of joe six pack grannies on a jury.
>>72527736
Haven't heard that story before, do tell, I need more fuel for my rage.
>select all sheds
Yes google, do your part as well.
It would be a slippery slope so I guess it would depend upon how much you were out numbered and whether or not you were in real danger
>>72527318
It's not a game, you moron. Do you honestly think that a crowd of white liberal teenagers are a threat to your life? Do you really think they were on the verge of pulling this guy aside and stomping him to death?
I hope that no one who CC's would be this stupid. Your gun is an absolute last resort. If you're in a situation like this and you feel threatened, you leave. You will never be justified, morally or legally, in purposefully escalating a situation to the point that you're required to use lethal force to defend yourself.
>>72527318
I would check out what happened to those /k/ and /pol/ anons who went to that BLM shit in Minnesota (?) and got attacked.
They're still sitting in jail aren't they?
>>72537434
>prosecutors will use everything they can to make you look bad and high cap mags will do that.
Next you are going to say that I should not change out the stock trigger and that I can't have a punisher backplate!
You would get put in prison so fucking fast. The guy obviously put himself into that position. He went out looking for a fight, wearing the Trump hat and then walking into a group of people who hate Trump? He's the instigator, so if he shot anyone he'd be put in prison.
>>72527318
1. Those 30-round Glock mags are more likely to jam, and also throw off the normal balance of the gun meaning that you have a different natural point of aim than normal. Best to not use them except for range fun.
2. One person attacking you without a weapon or a notable advantage in size/youth is not a reasonable moment to draw and shoot. Leave, call the police, have them arrested for assault and battery and then hit them with a civil suit besides.
Your gun shouldn't be used unless your life is in danger. If it was multiple people, or someone much bigger, or you were a woman and they were male, or you were disabled, or they had a weapon, then yes draw and shoot until the threat stops. Otherwise, use the legal system, a gun should be your last resort.
>t. several years concealed carry practicioner
>>72536821
More so then you apparently.
Jared Lee Loughner used a 30 round magazine to shoot Gabby Gifford and into a crowd of people. You'd lose in the court of public opinion before the trial would even begin.
It also suggests you went there to looking to provoke an attack to spray into the crowd, you know Premeditation.
It's simply overkill through the eyes of a Jury.
>>72535368
Go back to Canada
>>72535368
Excellent argument.
>>72538025
So you don't have any legal precedent and are just bullshitting.
>hurr this autist used one to commit a crime so nobody can ever use one for legal purposes again
Wew
>It also suggests you went there to looking to provoke an attack to spray into the crowd, you know Premeditation.
That's an argument that can be made by the prosecution, the defense could argue that the defendant was simply prepared for a worst case scenario in day to day life and that his magazine size has no bearing on whether he legally defended himself or not.
>It's simply overkill through the eyes of a Jury.
More speculation, waiting for precedent.
>>72537804
That is both true. My Punisher baseplate is on the competition gun, not the carry gun. Stay safe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu-ShQ7EWbk
>>72537901
17 round mags with +6 baseplates never jam on me. 25 rounds is a much better sweet spot for carry comfort and high capacity.
I conceal carry legally and definitely wouldn't put myself in a situation like an anti-trump riot while I was packing. Despite this, I would still draw on someone or a group if I was violently assaulted for wearing a MAGA hat or just minding my own business in public. Note the word 'violently' in my last sentence. Someone stealing my hat or hitting me on the back of the head isn't enough to warrant blowing them away or even drawing. If I was hit hard enough to fall down or become disoriented, I might draw.
In the coming months, I'm convinced that random targeted violence like in OP's post will be common outside of riots alone.
While OP's individual would still be justified, I still would be hesitant to draw on anyone for the potential societal repercussions and moral qualms. Carrying is a dilemma, but I don't constantly live in fear of having to take it out of the holster.
>>72538423
>That is both true.
no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp0on2RA-e8
>>72538422
At this point there's nothing I can say that's going to change your mind. If you want to be a weirdo Mallninja that carries extended fun mags and thinks he's Punisher then by all means do it.
I'm trying to tell you it's a bad idea but yeah fuck me right.
>>72538771
Never said it would lead right to jail, I said it hurts your chances in court and at the end of the day that is all what matters while defending yourself from criminal allegations.
>>72535434
It's almost as if liberals and Jews have some agenda of which they must lie constantly about...
>>72527318
Reasonable in what sense?
If you mean lawfully would it be self-defense? Not without an intervening step at least. If they have only slapped at you and spit on you the court is unlikely to consider opening fire a proportionate response.
In the situation pictured I would be very reluctant to draw the weapon at all, surrounded by a crowd, both possible adversaries and possible innocents to shoot unintentionally as well.
If I had to I'd try to get my back to something first, then use a low snap side-kick or several of them to clear some space while drawing the weapon to the other side. Then I'd rack the slide as loud as I could, possibly fire a warning shot if I could find a safe way to aim it. If and only if that did not work to stop the attacker then I would aim for him.
Again really bad situation for a pistol. I'd rather have a steel whip, a stun gun, or just a stick in that situation. Firearms are powerful weapons but they are not at the best things to use in a melee.
