So by 2020 when the payments to China on US debt covers China's entire military budget, will we at last agree that in the long run Communism has triumphed and capitalism has failed? The only good capitalist democracies are the western European "socialist" ones. 100 years is very short in the history of political frameworks, and I think it's pretty clear that Communism has won the race in this last century. Russia bounced back fast after it's "collapse" as well... when you capitalists learn that a corrupt money system can never institute real growth?
>>72515293
China is State Capitalism - capitalism up to a certain level of income, then socialism kicks in and you need to pay tax. You could argue it is the Hegelian Synthesis of Capitalism and Communism
For example, middle class school teachers I met payed not once cent of tax. Not one cent.
>>72515293
Only our elected officials have failed. They have sold out citizens for money. They must be removed. Our form of government is the best in the world.
>>72515293
China has bigger issues than our national debt, of which they own a very small portion of. Now I know as a kangaroo poster finding the numbers can be hard, but they own 7% of it. Least we forget they owe us 750 billion in loans too.
>>72515652
Which is the result of you trusting the capitalists.
>>72515422
>You could argue it is the Hegelian Synthesis of Capitalism and Communism
FPBP
This so fucking much.
China hasn't been full bore Communist since the 50's.
>>72515811
>>72515422
Nah, you're trying to split hairs. Chinese Communism is highly organised state organisation, the way it was always meant to be.They're doing it just right. What follows from Chinese socialism is incremental levels of individual freedom of the sort that was always the illusion of the capitalist state.
>>72515652
>Only our elected officials have failed
>Our elected
>They must be removed
>Our form of government is the best
Do you see the problem here?
>>72515811
while I was there, I was told that in reality, each region has councils that run them almost autonomously from the government itself. Of course, in things like education, the government has a say, but in terms of regulating the day to day affairs of Chinese, they don't.
Although in China you dont vote for the CCP, you do get a vote for the local council, and Chinese people have been electing businessmen instead of politicians, because they figure they wont need money, and will be less corrupt....
>>72516457
paying 40% tax is far closer to the Communist Ideal, I'm sorry to tell you
I saw kids running around with what looked like real replica guns, a lady having a screaming match with a traffic cop, as he shouted back at her, and basically, stalls anywhere, just anywhere selling various goods - a very very industrious nation barely restrained by government at all. Sadly, as it is now a polluted tip.
>>72515422
The state also gives tons of money to boost business. NGOs need government agency vouchers to open a business now and are also subject to random investigations at any time. People are being charged more to invest on the stock market to control speculation.
>>72515293
t. someone with no understanding of economics
>>72516755
yeah they have tons and tons of poorly run state owned industries, which they are currently cutting down on. This is a form of social welfare of course, but the beauty of china is
everybody works
>>72515293
>Russia bounced back fast after it's "collapse" as well
kek my mate
>>72516755
Foreign NGOs*
>>72516572
The problem is that I'm outnumbered 100 to 1 by the retards who keep voting for traitors.
>>72516832
Everyone must earn the living wage comrade
>Payments to China
Wat??
Australia, please stop being retarded.
We issue bonds to China on a contingency basis that insures they cannot cash them in for any substantial amount of money.
Therefore they cannot increase the payment without declaring war to seize U.S assets.
>>72517072
source?
>>72515804
eh, I'd still take living in america over living in any communist country in any time period
spending 600$ on an iphone beats manmade famines where millions die
>>72515293
Economically, communism is a failure. This can be seen when the USSR and Eastern Europe adapted Western political reforms in the 1980s but kept communist economics, while China did the reverse. They're still an authoritarian state but with a more or less free market.
>>72517094
Google you stupid fuck.
No hand holding for you.
I suggest you start with the overall national deb, once you understand how little China is actually owed compared to the American people you'll grasp this subject a lot better.
Each year Chinese delegates leave America empty handed, its no secret.
>>72516668
40% tax is fine by me when I have actual opportunities instead of just fake ones. Besides, you're deluding yourself. Don't care about arguing, just look at the facts. China owns most of the west. They got that way through efficiency and economic power. Their economy is better than ours, it's more efficient than ours, and their governments are better than ours.
>>72517250
Their economy is not better, our captains of industry and their paid lackeys in congress are just really fucking stupid.
>>72517250
then move there you commie loving fuck, then come crying back in a few months
if it had to have taken this long then its clearly not a good system
>>72517250
oh yeah, that SSE is such a healthy market. It's really reassuring to see an exchange worth trillions go up 300% and down 150% in the span of 18 months.
>>72517167
They just blocked apple's videos for i dont remember why
>>72517238
I already know how much China owns. I already googled but it is filled with china debt memes. I was moreso referring to why China can't cash in.
You are aware how flooded anything related to China, debt, and United States is right? I won't spend 30 minutes confirming your point. I was just curious because I've seen it mentioned multiple times
>>72515293
China needs aircraft carriers to wage war on the west, we simply won't allow them to do this. There is no combined force capable of invading the United States. They're also 100% dependent on the west to male money.
The first thing the west should do if they get too uppity is refuse to sell them baby formula. Your country is almost single handily supplying them with "poison free" baby formula, but 50% of the enriched dairy powder you're selling them is wholesaled from my country. We could always poison it the way they did...or be more direct that Melamine and taint it with arsenic or cyanide.
>>72517094
I will source their failed obligations to America, though.
The Chinese owe us a lot more than we owe them, numbers between countries are not as detrimental as the media makes them out to be.
http://americanbondholdersfoundation.com/
>>72517114
>man made famines
That was the Bolsheviks exterminating ethnic Ukranians before WW2.
>>72517250
> when I have actual opportunities instead of just fake ones.
Hey look, its the same bullshit line commies have been selling for 100 years. Hasn't worked out too well for the ones who bought into it so far, maybe this time!
>>72517448
You've seen it mentioned because it's fact.
If you're not willing to take the time to learn for yourself then whatever I tell you is taken at face value anyway.
China owes the U.S. since we helped them industrialize and fight off Japan.
Their big move was issuing a gold backed currency to.usurp.the dollar as the international standard.
But what good will it do.them if all of our trade partners are threatened with war if they abandon the dollar?
>>72517487
Canada could carpet bomb the 48 contiguous states with snow, and then you'd be fucked.
>>72515293
>Russia
>bounced back
fucking kek
>>72516572
I do, I do!
Once our elected officials started exchanging gibmedats for votes, it was all over.
Unless the entitlement mentality of the populous self-corrects, America is fucked. I don't exactly see a path for this to happen, but I see electing Trump as something of a first step in a long series of correcting actions.
>>72517587
When China stops buying your debt because you can no longer pay it back and the US bonds markets fail XD.
>>72517775
Canada comes here to duty free shop and buy cheaper petrol. They won't bite the hand that feeds. Ultimately they're just a commonwealth of your country and at the disposal of HRM's whims. As a Briton is must feel nice to know they're buying hockey pucks and jugs of syrup with plastic bank notes plastered in the likeness (es) of your Royalty.
>>72517250
> chinese have no opportunities
> chinese are buying up the west
Do you ever stop, before you speak, and think about what you are going to say?
>>72517487
Carriers are bordering on going the same way as dreadnoughts.
>>72517897
>american economy collapses
>chinese economy instantly collapses because we buy 80% of their exports
>>72517897
I'd be more concerned with the Philippines hoarding gold. They're currently in possession of the largest stockpiles/reserves of bullion. They're also buying copper and titanium by the boatload for some reason.
>>72517561
Great, you made me dislike China even more than I already did
>>72517747
I looked for it, and have found it now
>>72517849
The answer to corruption is to increase government!
>>72517849
So you really think a new President in an old system is going to make a difference? What can a President do? What has a President ever done? Nothing.
>>72518047
Carriers are essential tools of war. No space flotillas yet sadly. Wars of the future will rain down from the heavens. I'm grateful to live in the stupid ages.
Side note, I wonder if any government has ever weaponized a satellite and there are nuclear warheads orbiting this dirtball....
>>72515811
>that pic
>>72518032
Do you ever read? I was implying that Chinese have more opportunities, and ever more so. C'mon, you can't be that stupid. Chinese have gone from peasant farmers to international rich in two generations. They did it through hardline local politics of the sort that the USA are facing just now. They're coming for you, and they did it because they were in touch with reality.
>>72516834
Fuck you arsehole, stick Russia up your arse. Not even mad, you're just a dickhead.
