Monsanto is a chemical company that was started in the year 1901. They created DDT and Agent Orange. Many people aren’t even aware of their existence and that needs to change ASAP. They’re absolutely huge and own a majority of agricultural production WORLDWIDE (India currently having many legal issues with them). (See link-http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/make-monsanto-pay-for-swindling-farmers-in-india) (yes source is a blog, but she’s a doctor and you can easily google her). I’m sure many of you have heard of GMO… guess who made those? MONSANTO. They are the ones who directly poison our food and encourage the use of chemicals in/on our food.
More than just health effects, (see link by New York Times about lawsuits against them) [http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/business/monsanto-could-benefit-from-a-chemical-safety-bill.html] this company bullies and threatens farmers into producing their GMO crops. (see free doc- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvkNda-_jdc) . It’s important to note that GMO crop are to be made on a mass production scale and require heavy and expensive machinery (in order to keep up production) that poor farmers- especially 3rd world farmers- cannot afford. Unlike normal, natural plants, GMO crops (seeds) do not come back every year and must be repurchased from Monsanto with money that farmers do not have! There was a mass suicide among farmers in India over a ten year span that started in 2005 simply because they, as poor, 3rd world farmers, could not meet Monsanto’s requirements and fell into financial ruin! (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmers'_suicides_in_India). The farmers that produce food don’t even have enough to eat themselves- this is so sad!
To make things worse, Monsanto has sued farmers and have won in court! Monsanto has patented (copyrighted) GMO seeds, making them illegal to use/ sell unless paid for. Many crops, such as corn, are wind pollinated and can easily contaminate a neighbouring farmer’s organic crop (via wind).
When their crop tests positive for GMO and they don’t pay Monsanto- they sue the farmers and succeed in doing so! See how they can scare farmers?!
These crops, because of how large the sale is, must be maintained with the use of chemicals. (Chemicals synthesized by Monsanto as well). As stated before, Monsanto’s use of pesticides and fungicides contain chemicals that are very harmful to us and the environment. It’s odd how a chemical can kill all the plants (weeds) around the crop but not the actual crop itself. When it rains on these crops, its causes a toxic runoff that drains into bodies of water and pollutes them! Hence why it’s only recommended to eat fish once a week, as their mercury levels are so high (and for some reason we take that as fact and we’re all okay with it!)
The only financially reasonable way we can help is to spread the word and raise awareness of this company and what’s its doing to us and our planet. As a company that only cares about revenue, when people become aware, their sales will go down! When more people find out, Monsanto will only have two choices: either change their ways or go out of business.
I’m not debating whether GMO crop is good or bad. My focus is on the health effects of pesticides on us and the environment. And also, the hardships of famers (especially 3rd world).
>>72514210
>>72514211
Here are some scholarly articles that are a better source than the blog (Blog is written by a doctor though).
www.researchgate.net/publication/7302066_Aquatic_Toxicity_Due_to_Residential_Use_of_Pyrethroid_Insecticides (click on PDF, is 8 pages).
http://pub.epsilon.slu.se/3364/
http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-0-585-36973-0_1#page-1
http://www.jstor.org/stable/1311994?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
http://www.toxicsaction.org/problems-and-solutions/pesticides
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2984095/
Thanks everyone for your time reading this and perhaps together we can discuss environmentally sustainable agriculture such as polyculture (see google lol)! I appreciate everyone’s feedback, negative or positive. A quick reminder that not everyone will agree (even some farmers), so remember to be patient and respectful of everyone’s opinion… as change does not happen overnight!
>>72514210
lol at the idea that there is some food not made entirely of chemicals
>>72514210
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmers'_suicides_in_India
The source and all the data pretty clearly demonstrates that GMOs have been beneficial to Indian farmers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sH4bi60alZU
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html
there's a worldwide march against monsanto May 21. look on fb March Against Monsanto
>>72514214
it's sad, but we can do something about it
>>72514217
and we can go straight from there to the Anti-Vax and chemtrail demonstrations
im sure the truth is more complicated than monstanto being le evily bogeyman company.
>>72514219
>chemtrail demonstrations
why are you apposed to vax??
>>72514221
>why are you apposed to vax
Same reason GMOs are bad, chemicals are bad and unnatural
>>72514222
Unnatural doesn't mean bad, but pumping a shitton of unnecessary chemicals into food can't be good for you.
>>72514219
>if you don't wholeheartedly support and love a corporation that has been linked with numerous environmental scandals and war crimes in the past, you're a batshit crazy anti-vaxxer
This is why people hate your company, monsanto shill
Other companies (Volkswagen, etc) have owned up to their misdeeds
Not you, though. You insist on ramming your vile propaganda down everyone's throats
So, once again, fuck off
>>72514223
>but pumping a shitton of unnecessary chemicals into food can't be good for you.
yeah, 500g per acre of crops is just an overwhelming amount of 'chemicals'
>>72514220
>trying to be rational with these people
good luck, faggot
>>72514220
they certainly are problem for us. they're lobbyists and have inappropriate connections with people in government. feel free to do some of your own research, i cant possibly convince everyone
>>72514225
>yeah, 500g per acre of crops is just an overwhelming amount of 'chemicals'
in comparison to what, memelord?
>>72514225
>it's just 1mg of cyanide potassium, come on you pussy
>>72514224
>linked with warcrimes in the past
The government contracted them to do work. Fucking ridiculous to blame the company rather than politicians and the military.
Its seriously absurd to even try and correlate that with the modern discussion on GMOs and shows the actual science of your argument is entirely disingenuous as you are only relying on silly emotional appeals
>>72514229
Except glyphosate is pretty fucking safe for mammals so thats a dumb thing to say
>>72514224
It's kind of amusing how these people think they're "supporting GMO" by parroting lame garbage fed to them by Monsanto PR drones
If they would just shut the fuck up, the public might actually stop associating GMO with the rapacious tentacles of a cartoon villain multinational
But they can't help themselves and as a result, country after country bans GMO
>>72514223
totally agree
>>72514224
hahaha totally called them out - that gif XD
>>72514232
Wait, so you are arguing that countries are banning GMOs because scientists and people educated in science are speaking in favor of GMOs. What?
The only people banning GMOs are doing it to appease uneducated peasants or as a form of economic protectionism, banning foreign technology in a misguided attempt to control the economy
>>72514232
>country after country bans GMO
And nothing of value was lost, inb4 vile shills shriek about how if we don't bend over and take it up the ass from their paymasters, poor little children will go blind
Suggestion: sell your fucking yachts and pay for some vitamin pills for those poor kids, if you actually care about them (but you don't, and everyone knows it)
>>72514235
>PR garbage is science
No, it's PR garbage
But keep digging, I fully expect you next to tell me that, because I disagree with you, I'm against vaccines.
>>72514218
What exactly do you think the word "chemical" means?
>>72514231
I'm sure it has been given a 20 year testing period before we put it into, like, fucking everything, right?
Brain damage, birth defects, stillbirths, infertility, eh who cares, AgriCorp #425832085 got a few cents more, that's all that matters.
>>72514237
So you are just going to write off all science because you have feelings?
If you are going to support a stance use actual evidence, you can't just claim all science is wrong because you don't like what all collective evidence suggests
>>72514241
Well, since "science" for you means "whatever was printed in my PR brochure from Monsanto", yes. I am going to write that off, that thing you call science.
It's funny how you people try to twist around the English language like that.
>>72514240
Glyphosate has been on the market for over 40 years
Its not some nascent poorly characterized technology
and its not fucking related to the safety of GMOs, if you want to argue glyphosate is unsafe argue to ban glyphosate, do not try and conflate it with GMOs and trick uneducated people into being afraid of all sorts of wonderful new technologies
>>72514242
Do you seriously think Monsanto is large enough to form a conspiracy involving the entire scientific establishment including countless public institutions and Monsanto's market competitors?
Monsanto is a kind of big company, but its not particularly large or influential. Probably not even close to the top 100 most influential companies in america
>>72514230
the reason they blame monsanto for war crimes rather than the politicians is because in the Vietnam War they needed a herbicide (later to be called Agent Orange) to the kill all the trees (so the Vietnamese soldiers couldn't hide among the dense forests). Monsanto released Agent Orange without testing it and claiming it to be safe. (perhaps again with gmo?) people today are still born with horrible defects and the American soldiers exposed got terribly ill
>>72514244
>we're not actually engaged in a propaganda war against the general public, look over there, Wal Mart!
>>72514243
>Glyphosate has been on the market for over 40 years
And recently a study found it causes leukemia.
Also nice shifting the goalposts, can we have food WITHOUT scientists fucking with it, putting pig DNA in it or pumping it full of Cancer™?
Just naturally grown fucking food that is tended to by a farmer, instead of some lazy fuck fucking his sister 24/7?
>>72514245
That was different though, we now know all GMO, even GMO that hasn't been created yet, is safe by definition because I said so. Why would I lie to you? If you question me you hate science.
>>72514247
Nature =/= good
Stop this god damn meme
Your logic is so bad that it is hard to believe you are being serious. Your entire stance is we shouldn't pursue progress because muh feelings.
Also, please keep in mind that agriculture of any kind is extremely unnatural. Meanwhile countless toxins and deadly things are 100% natural
>>72514245
Agent Orange deal is a completely different thing, but it kind of shows how much the company cares about safety.
>>72514248
lol yeah, science doesn't exist, they are just guessing
>>72514249
I like how you cherry picked that one word, even thought the post would have had the same meaning without it.
Is it because you're fucking your sister?
>>72514249
>Nature =/= good
I am not saying this.
I am just asking for food that isn't fucked with by scientists, food that was allowed to grow as it was meant to be so I know I won't be getting cancer from some scientist going OH I DID MIT I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING and pumping it full of some random shit.
People in medieval ages somehow managed to get fucking crops going, why can't we do it now?
>>72514250
pretty sure the people running the company then are dead of old age now. I don't think you can draw any conclusions about what the company is doing now from it
>>72514253
>I am just asking for food that isn't fucked with by scientists
all food was fucked with by scientists, thats what agriculture is. Otherwise you would just have to be a hunter gatherer
>>72514254
Vietnam wasn't 100 years ago, most Vietnam vets are alive and kicking. No reason why people behind Agent Orange wouldnt't, atleast in part of original project, be still alive.
>>72514253
It's not about getting crops going, it's about making it illegal for a farmer to reuse seed so that they can repurchase more seed over and over and over while blanketing their fields with chemicals from the same vendor
Shills like to pretend they're "saving humanity" but what they're doing is lining their own pockets
>>72514256
>most Vietnam vets are alive and kicking
sure, but most soldiers were ~20 while the execs of the company were surely 50+. Its quite possible some are alive but its pretty unlikely that the same people are running the company
>>72514255
>all food was fucked with by scientists
That is my whole argument, literally all of it.
Can we cut out the scientists out of it? Can we just prepare the fields, plant the seeds, water them and fertilize them using cow shit?
>>72514257
>it's about making it illegal for a farmer to reuse seed so that they can repurchase more seed
If you don't like it just buy old fashioned seeds. This a really fucking simple problem to solve
This is a manufactured issue by the 'natural' food lobby, its not even a real concern amongst farmers
>>72514260
My main issue is, it's hard to tell what was made with GMO shit and what isn't, if there was a law enforcing use of GMO labels, majority of my concerns about GMO would stop mattering.
>>72514259
How do you think humans discovered that cow shit helps grow crops? Thats fucking science. The whole process of agriculture has always been guided by science, just because some facts are taken for granted does not mean they were not learned through careful observation and experimentation (science)
Without the science of agriculture humans would have never left the natural lifestyle of being nomadic scavenger hunters. Natural life is fucking terrible
>>72514261
Accurate food labels is doubleplus unscience. Muh antivaxxers!
>>72514261
the problem is that simply knowing whether something is GMO doesn't really tell you anything as its such a broad class of things with no defining characteristics with relevance to human health
You could probably make an argument that it would be useful to know what specific strain or breed is used GMO or not, but that would be a pretty burdensome change to the system. Unless you are specifying specifically what gene has been added, knowing that a crop is GM is just useless noise, unly intended to confuse customers into buying things that market themselves as natural and GMO/Gluten/MSG free
>>72514264
I still would prefer a label so I could avoid it like wildfire.
>>72514264
>simply knowing whether something is GMO doesn't really tell you anything as its such a broad class of things with no defining characteristics with relevance to human health
Or to put that another way, we're not really sure about surprise allergens affecting some small % of the population that might arise from randomly swapping genes from other unrelated organisms, so just trust us on this one, it's fine. I mean, if we started labeling this shit people might figure out that they have a food allergy to GMO tomatoes and we wouldn't want that now, would we. Peanut allergies aren't real and celiac is a mass-hallucination on the part of hippies.
>>72514265
Why do you want to do that though. Sounds like a simple case of lack of education and buying into marketing
>>72514267
Because he isn't "educated" (translation:brainwashed) by "science" (translation:whatever the brochure says to type in this scenario)
Anyone properly educated would know there is nothing to worry about and monsanto knows what's best for you.
>>72514267
>Why do you want to do that though
Because "may or may not kill you with a painful disease" is not good enough for me. I'll just help the supply/demand do its magic and pay insignificant amount more to make sure I'm not eating some poisonous shit.
>>72514269
but it is not poisonous and there is literally no reason to eblieve there is
Its like going to church every week and forgoing premarital sex just because what if hell and eternal damnation is real
Its a fucking silly thing to do
>>72514268
So your whole thing is that science is wrong because you say so? But you also have no evidence at all to support the claim?
>>72514248
lol youre awesome
>>72514270
It just keeps getting better
>if you disagree with me you are an anti-vaxxer christfag, don't you realize that by wanting truthful labeling on food you are supporting the invisible bearded skyfather who isn't even real? LMAO sheeple!
>>72514269
>Because "may or may not kill you with a painful disease"
who told you this? This is not a thing, thats not how it works at all. Being genetically modified by modern means makes it no less safe than crops modified through more outdated means. In fact if anything it is safer than the mutagenic techniques beloved by the natural lobby because GMOs have precisely controlled modifications to their genome while organic natural crops have only random changes so who knows what will happen
>>72514257
yes , finally someone who understands the post
>>72514273
it has nothing to do with what I believe
If you disregard science in favor of emotion you are doing ti wrong. You are in the very same boat as anti-vaxxers, climate change denialists, non-celiac gluten free observers, and the devoutly religious
>>72514260
theyre impossible to avoid in grocery stores. cereal, granola bars, tomato sauce, everything...gmo
>>72514277
>if you disagree with my brochure you're a christfag antivaxxer
Sure buddy, you must be right
>>72514257
>Shills like to pretend they're "saving humanity" but what they're doing is lining their own pockets
Thats the beauty of capitalism, mutually beneficial transactions. Just because they make money doesn't make them evil, stop this Bernie Sanders tier bullshit. They make money by providing a product or service that people want to buy. Farmers choose to buy GM seeds because they are way the fuck better than the alternative even considering that they need to buy them every year
>>72514275
Random changes are predictable and they're usually something low profile that helps the crop adapt to enviroment, there's nothing wrong with that.
Now putting a gene from a fucking animal into a veggie is all sorts of fucked up.
>>72514210
>tfw Monsanto is slowly doing what I don't have the balls to do
thank you based Monsanto
>>72514275
>crops modified to get moar lucrative lock-in licenses are safer for our profits than crops modified through unscientific means, ooga booga tomatoes are dangerous unless stamped "gene spliced by Monsanto", ooga booga!
shameless
>>72514270
>Its like going to church every week and forgoing premarital sex just because what if hell and eternal damnation is real
Or maybe you know, I want the first time to be special and don't mind 1 hour a week for the church?
>>72514281
>Random changes are predictable and they're usually something low profile that helps the crop adapt to enviroment,
um, no. mutations are random, they are not usually beneficial, the vast majority of the time they are not
Also, organic natural farmers bombard seeds with highly energetic radiation to force mutations, and plant very high number of crops hoping to find a few good mutations to breed into established lines. Its the dangerous shotgun method compared to GMO's precision surgery
>>72514268
just cause your educated doesnt mean you like gmo. my environmental science proff hates gmos
>>72514210
Typical pro-monsanto shilling tactics.
>>72514284
lol, you go to church because you don't mind it? That seems like a pretty weak reason
I grew up catholic where people adhere to dogma and tradition out of guilt and fear
>>72514287
You organic lobbyists are doing pretty much all of those things
>>72514285
>mutations are random
You do realize wheat won't suddenly turn red out of ass or grow 8 meters long?
It's because the plants have genes.
Mutations are not random, and while they're not beneficial, they're not detrimentary either, bad mutations simply get wed out by natural selection.
Also two rights don't make a wrong.
>>72514280
you know thats not true. look at his sources... youre clearly a shill yourself...boosting gmo and bashing sanders lol.
>>72514290
>Also two rights don't make a wrong.
That's it, I'm going to sleep.
Goodnight corporate shills and cu/ck/s.
>>72514286
Stop buying into his propaganda. Not liking GMO doesn't mean being anti-science.
>>72514287
so true lol
>>72514290
>Mutations are not random
well there are certain mechanisms that cause them but they are essentially random
>and while they're not beneficial, they're not detrimentary either,
No, stop. Most of them are bad for the plant, thats exactly why selection weeds them out. But we are specifically talking about mutagenic techniques used by the natural/organic lobby to induse extreme numbers of mutations hoping to find a cool and useful one. They have no fucking clue what other mutations were generated. Luckily it probably doesn't fucking matter because this shit isn't dangerous, but it surely has a higher probability of creating something harmful than more precise GMO techniques which do not have the potential to magically make a crop harmful (though surely a harmful one could be designed if done intentionally.)
Hi guys,
OP here.
I just wanted to start putting my name in my posts so that everyone knows when educated people like me (I read journal articles, that means i'm educated) are posting.
It's good to educate yourself on how evil monsanto is, I know because I read some articles on JSTOR.
Anyone have any more questions for me?
Would anyone like to know about the benefits of hemp?
>>72514293
>Not liking GMO doesn't mean being anti-science.
Yes it does
When you are basing your stances on liking, rather than on evidence, you are being anti-science
>>72514296
Have you ever taken a biology class beyond high school level?
>>72514297
Monsanto is bad because of their microaggresion against farmers
>>72514298
the internet is free you know, getting degrees is overrated
all the information about why monsanto is terrible is freely available
just go and see!
you don't need a pHd to know that chemicals in food are bad lol
>>72514297
I like truthfully labelled food. Show me the evidence that truthfully labelled food is harmful. Oh look, you can't. And yet you've insisted that labelling is harmful.
Now is the moment to take your own life.
>>72514300
you're triggering me, please let this thread be a safe space where we can be free of monsanto
>>72514299
>microaggresion against farmers
lol, this is a joke, right?
>>72514302
why are you linking infographics that use wingdings font from word 2003?
couldn't u get a more reputable source like JSTOR?
that makes you sound educated
>>72514303
No, there actually is someone named "Jenny" who just happens to have the same name as Jenny McCarthy, posting propaganda against people who think food should have accurate labels.
>>72514300
>Show me the evidence that truthfully labelled food is harmful
No one suggested this. But its disingenuous to suggest a broad GMO/GMO free label purveys truth of any meaningful kind
>>72514304
End your life. Science commands it. If you don't end your life RIGHT NOW you're against science.
>>72514305
accurate labels is literally mansplaining and disenfranchises many african americans that don't know how to read
this is a microaggresion
>>72514306
uh are you stupid, don't you realize that every single food item eaten today has been "GMO'd" for centuries since before you were even borne? read some literature
>>72514307
uh i'm a scientist, i've done many experiments in my high school bio 1 class.
AP exam soon :)
>>72514306
>being opposed to something that you can't even prove is harmful
Why are you ruled by emotions instead of logic?
>>72514305
>implying I read the name slot
>>72514309
What are you even talking about?
>>72514310
uh you should respect the sholars among u
>>72514309
logic is a field dominated by white cis men. logic is literally evil
>>72514296
Jenny is obviously not the OP
XD
THESE SHILLS ARE CLEVER
>>72514313
quit being a shitlord
>>72514303
yeah that's someone trolling the OP by pretending to be them.
Jenny is not op
>>72514315
uh, yes i am
prove that i'm not u mansplaining shitlord
>>72514316
>>72514316
jenny not OP
fuck monsanto
>>72514317
i agree
monsanto is bad because i read an article about the atlantic on it
never met a monsanto employee though or been verifiably affected by any of their business decisions, but fuck em!
i heard they dont stand up for the lgbtqbea community either, those shitlords!
>>72514210
fuck monsanto thank you op
>>72514239
You don't eat food made out of dark matter and leptons?
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/07/are_gmos_safe_yes_the_case_against_them_is_full_of_fraud_lies_and_errors.html
I got this from /ck/ before so I'll post it here. If you're serious, then you'll read this.
Personally, I couldn't give a rat's ass about thirdworld farmers. I'm a third-worlder myself, and that white man's burden just slides off my shoulders.
>>72514210
Pasta and faggotry.
OP is either shitposting or retarded. GMOs reduce the need for pesticides exactly by being genetically modified to produce their own. The links OP posted pertain to the pesticides that people who aren't using GMOs would need to use to keep yield. As to why OP would be doing this, maybe some half-assed sense of nobility or a thankless gesture to supporting someone else's cause, who knows.
The ironic thing is that GMOs are actually progress. Yields have improved, pesticide use has reduced, produce is cheaper for consumers, less land needs to be used, and further innovations may be able to address even more things. I don't fully understand the real motive of whoever's against GMO progress, probably people lobbying for organics or small-time farmers trying to gain leverage by being the little guys. Because GMOs are the future.
Monsanto is a company and they'll do what they can to make money, just like any other. But this benefits consumers and hurts small to medium sized producers. There's no point in fighting for someone else's money. Also pic related
Why do ETs care so much about environmenral injustices
>>72514408
Back to the real anonymus I presume
>>72514210
Nobody cares, Ron
Monsanto is destroying the planet
the science gap is pro gmo because those paid to be objective are swayed by global conglomerates lobbying with billions of dollars
Aluminum polluted soil = only Monsanto & their monopoly you passively let infiltrate the American political system will be left standing
climate control technology is the hardest Redpill for any board to swallow
the technology has been a thing since the late 1950s,
Several world leaders have gone on record confirming their existence
to discount cloud seeding is to ignore eyewitness reports from military personnel & countless government officials
it's fucking real wake up
>>72517034
First off, nice picture
Secoundly you are right. Mossanto is doing one hell of a job to keep you stupid. In south america farmers get free courses from Mossanto where they are teached how to be dependend of them. Only one of many shit they are doing
>>72514220
They are fucking awful, bee killing pesticides shilled to UK government
>>72514323
>I don't fully understand the real motive of whoever's against GMO progress
I don't understand them and they scare me. You changed the plant's genetics. Now who's to say that the plant won't change my genetics? What if I start producing pesticide?
>>72518103
sauce is ghibli nausicaa: Valley of the Wind
Monsanto is based af. If any, you leftists should stop shilling
