Everyone understands that religion is a meme
>>72488471
i would argue that wisdom teeth are meant to replace the teeth we would normally lose pre modern dentitry.
it has also been proven that its not a lost tail, just the continue of the same purpose of the spine, to protect and bunlde nerves.
God is real guys, sorry (not sorry) to break it to you.
>>72488625
nevermind the agony caused by wisdom teeth before modern dentistry. And yes, of course, the vestigial tail actually protects us because that is the best design god could come up with... God sounds like a real cuck
![1429309807385[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ee63TVi.jpg "1429309807385[2].jpg")
>>72488503
>eye lashes
>pineal gland
>vestigal
>>72488503
What the fuck am I reading?
>>72488503
>body hair
It acts as a dry lubricant, and can help one sense insects on the skin.
>>72488570
we pepe now
>>72488570
Those embrion charts are actually not real. Here, grab a better proof.
>>72488625
Not quite, the spinal cord ends just before the coccyx begins.
>>72488559
kek
>>72488446
>surly the creator of the universe would never think to create animals with similar structures and traits. This means the universe was created by nothing and all of this advanced life was created over billions of years of nothing turning into something.
>>72490458
If something can't come from nothing then where did God come from?
>>72489826
That's used for mating though, ever seen the size of a whale penis?
>>72490458
If the big bang violates thermodynamics, so does god.
Except one of these doesn't.
Fuckin' guess, Christcuck.
>>72488446
>God discovers good design
>would somehow not incorporate it into all of His creatures
nice b8 m8
>>72490515
The argument is that God isn't bound to this universe's physics.
The thing is that people ask where God came from as a counter argument and then turn around and explain that they "know" how the universe came into existence from nothing
>>72490588
poorly worded argument. I'm assuming you mean God violates it but big bang does not. But as I said God wouldn't be bound the the universes laws.
>>72488446
G-d made it like that, its a good design
> if it aint broke
>>72490977
>discovers
How can an all-knowing being discover something?
>>72490977
>good design
>can literally die from falling at standing height
>shit hole and baby maker close together
>cancer is common
>birth defects
>deformities
>slower than many predators
>weak
>poor sense of smell compared to other species
>>72489670
Yeah, so can skin itself.
>>72491238
I don't claim to know that. But you Christians always claim to know for sure that gods real, how does that work? You can't even prove that something can exist outside of our universe and isn't affected by physics like what you're claiming God does.
>arguing over something that is vacuously true
>>72488625
You sound like a fruitcake
>>72491332
>what is corruption of world after unleashing sin
>>72491543
Why is it that Mexico is really atheist now?
I think there's a pretty salty Mexicunt posting around
>>72488503
>eyebrows
>eyelashes
>hair meant to protect your valuable eyes from sunlight, to catch sweat and redirect it to your sides so that salty sweat doesnt enter your eyeballs and eyelashes that protect your eyes in dust or sand areas while still being able to see
>vestigial
wat
>>72491238
>The argument is that God isn't bound to this universe's physics.
Are there any biblical verses that might back you up on this?
>>72488446
Yeah, it's well understood. Apart from knuckledraggers
>>72491609
Yeah because Adam and Eve were somehow vastly biologically different to us right?
>>72488625
>implying that because they have useful functions they must have been designed by Mr Sky Beard. Do you even understand evolution?
>>72491746
>missing the point
>>72488446
The long digits of flippered marine mammals are really fascinating to me.
>>72491871
I don't think I am.
>>72491609
lol
>>72492050
>talking about biological differences when I mentioned how the world became corrupted (everything was thrown off balance and all the "mistakes" you are talking about came about).
Not sure if bait or retarded
I don't really have all that issue with old earth creationists
Like some "god" being gave the spark of life to planets of their choice.
and then just fucked off.
hell it could've easily been an alien race.
New Earth are fucking morons however.
>>72491323
You're right, I was wrong to carelessly project my own fallibility onto God.
>>72491332
see >>72491609
I pray for both of your souls.
>>72492177
What do you mean? It was made clear in Genesis that everything became corrupted when Eve unleashed sin.
>>72491279
Jew detected
>>72492133
There is no mention of the fundamental structure and appearance of man changing after the "corruption". Design flaws would still exist
>>72492460
You realize people used to be immortal in the Garden of Eden right? Shortly after original people lived for longer periods of time and as we get closer to end times and drift further from gods intended path we deteriorate.
This is common christian knowledge.
>>72492752
>
"Shortly after original sin"
>>72492752
That doesn't mean humans weren't still flawed design wise, of course it is kind of hard to consider what would be a flawed design if you're fucking immortal I suppose.
>>72490633
>blaming Christ
>not attacking Islam
Pussy
>>72493005
What would you consider a design flaw?
Our bodies are amazing and clearly superior to any creature on this earth.
Unless you are one of those anime retards who measure superiority based on arbitrary power levels like "eagles can see way further than us and with more clarity therefore our eyesight sucks" and so on. But if you where to look at humans in context of deteriorating bodies we are perfectly designed to do what we do (mimic the creator to a lesser extent).
>>72492752
HAHAHAHAHAH, you're not smart.
You realize gubba wubba zoitang smuck right?
This is common wubba dub knowledge
>>72493186
What makes you think they don't hate Islam too?
>>72493257
Like I said, just for a few, were slower than many, many predators, also we are comparitively weak to many animals.
>mimic the creator
This makes no fucking sense and I would love for Christians to actually explain how God had no beginning, lives in a separate magically eternal universe yet still looks like us.
>>72493339
You live in Cannons Creek or something mate? Most of the greatest minds in human history where religious. Unless you think you happen to be smarter than them for something as insignificant as having a lack of faith.
>>72493457
We have the power of community and invention, why do we need to be faster than predators? Also we can outrun most creatures in the world through endurance. We use numbers and tools to overpower even the biggest creatures in the world.
Not having the best of everything possible doesn't equate to bad design. We can more than compensate. With our "tools" we can even defeat things the eye cannot see.
If there is a hurdle, humans can and will overcome it. Sounds like the perfect creature to me...
We mimic the creator through having a range of emotions like he does, free will and creating things our hearts desire. Just we do it to a far lesser extent than that of him or his angels.
Basic stuff. Just spend a minute thinking about it when someone says something about it.
>>72493824
Because if we were flawless we would be good at everything wouldn't we?
You're providing excuses for flaws.
>>72488570
faker :)
>>72493963
Of course we are flawed, like I said within context of original sin.
Again, you have not provided any flaw humans have that we cant overcome (meaning we have no real flaws).
All we have are challenges to overcome, not flaws. Without challenge what have we to live for? Overcoming challenge makes us happy so why would someone who loves us create us with a drive for challenge but nothing to be challenged by?
Again what is wrong with humans? Remember we have free choice, we are a result of original sin and we still need challenges to be happy. Having to overcome something and being successful at doing that is our biggest design feature not a flaw.
Have you finished school yet? May want to develop more critical thought.
>>72493257
We happen to be the most intelligent animals.
> Unless you are one of those anime retards who measure superiority based on arbitrary power levels like "eagles can see way further than us and with more clarity therefore our eyesight sucks" and so on.
They can, not sure what this has to do with anime or power levels but okay.
> But if you where to look at humans in context of deteriorating bodies we are perfectly designed to do what we do (mimic the creator to a lesser extent).
What is this supposed to mean? We're an animal that evolved high intelligence and then learned to record information which caused us to get to where we are.
>>72493824
So we happen to have used our intelligence to become the topdog. It's not unlikely that something would be on the top(until we run out of resources or some virus comes along we can't fend off).
> We mimic the creator through having a range of emotions like he does, free will and creating things our hearts desire. Just we do it to a far lesser extent than that of him or his angels.
Emotions are evolutionary adaptations for building more functional groups that increases survival rate. Your creator mimics that because humans wrote him that way.
>>72488446
>>72494382
> your fedora hurrr
> schizophrenic ramblings
The two argument modes of christcucks
>>72488833
not only was he a cuck but he was a shitty designer and engineer. humans have created things that last far longer than a human body. god couldnt even do it with his almighty power.
>inb4 muh sins
>>72494280
Just because we can invent guns to kill a bear doesn't mean we are not physically flawed in terms of dealing with bears.
What if I accept evolution but still believe in a higher power of sorts?
they aren't flaws they're limitations
are cats flawed because they can't fly
>>72492251
Sorry I meant for >>72491323 >>72491332. You're fine, stay on the good path brother.
>>72494561
so basically anything that isn't omnipotent is "flawed"? Are pencils flawed because they don't detect wifi?
>>72494291
Thank you, a much more intelligent response.
Yes the origins could be explained either way. Since you believe we created God, of course you think he is in our image and vice versa.
You happen to think via selection and chance we became this way, I think we are made to be this way.
Different means to the same end really. All you said was what I said, but with a different reason for how it came about.
I just realized I'm trying to argue with people under the premise that humans were immortal.
I can't win in their eyes
>>72488503
>thymus gland
What are T cells
>>72488446
only a moron fails to grasp that the inconceivable genius of an eternal creator wouldfind the varation on a theme visualized in pic related it the best way to create widely divergent creatures...
Explain how you would accomplish manifesting those limbs in a better way or why you conclude dumb evolutionary trial and error triggered differentiation of this variety... that is an absurd proposal.
>>72494708
Strawman. Humans run, humans lift, it's not some ridiculous statement to say "look at all these other creatures who can run and lift better" then saying that's a flaw.
>>72494756
You clearly can if you tried. Since the minority of people who are faithless are growing.
Its ok to admit it's not something you can do though. Just like not all religious people can convert. Its not your opponents fault, its yours.
>>72494830
>>72494876
No because what I should do is to ask your smug ass to prove humans were immortal in the first place.
>I share america with a bunch of retards who think the earth is flat, evolution and all its evidence is this massive lie and its not true and some fucking 2000 year old rewritten book is the truth
>>72494852
Because something that lifts should be able to lift everything? And something that runs should be able to reach light speed? Are we flawed because we don't split in half to reproduce like single-celled organisms?
>>72492133
>(everything was thrown off balance and all the "mistakes" you are talking about came about).
except for the part where every depiction of adam and eve clearly includes many of these "mistakes" such as having regular human proportions and musculature
>adam and eve getting thrown out is why people can't wiggle their ears anymore
>people who still can are indisputably god's chosen people
>>72494643
Then you'd be a deist, because a theistic god of the bible wouldn't use evolution to create stuff. Mainly because it's not even described to have happened like that.
Evolution is a late comer for a reason, you have to observe nature in detail to find the evolutionary mechanics. The biblical authors did not attempt this.
>>72494970
Again another strawman, I am making direct comparisons to other mammals on earth that can do those things better than us.
>>72494830
Retard detected
How many crayons have you eaten this week?
>>72494970
we're flawed because it takes a human infant many months to learn to walk when other animals can do it literally minutes after birth
>>72494515
Keep talking, you're just proving my point you faggot. You people just create threads out of the blue bashing religion. The cartoon is hilarious because there is so much truth to it. You friendless fedora lords bitch more than even vegans.
>>72493186
There is such thing as too easy target. Everything that christianity gets wrong about reality goat-fuckers get way worse.
>>72494649
I suppose it comes down to what's good or not, and that's purely subjective.
Ancient Aztecs believed they needed to sacrifice their slaves by pulling their beating hearts out on a pyramid and rolling their heads down to appease their gods.
And that's fine in their frame of morality/reference. That's 'flawless' for them, in the same way the non-flying cat is flawless for most, and the 'flawlessness of god's design' for you.
If we're saying that goodness = prosperity, health, wealth and happiness. Then yes. The human body is deeply flawed. It dies, it sucks at a lot of things, and it's taken us thousands of years to get it to get a few of us in the world to have some level of happiness, health and wealth.
BUT if you want to re-define goodness = godlyness. Then really I have no better hope of convincing you of anything, than I have of convincing the aztecs not to pull my beating heart out and sacrifice me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cO1a1Ek-HD0
>>72491543
>ID
>>72495171
I like where this guy is going. Why exactly would God make us so physically vulnerable? We're among the most vulnerable mammals in the world.
You'd think if we were above and beyond anything else we wouldn't be stabbed, gored, drowned, eaten, beaten, and burned to death so easily. Plus, why would he make us so vulnerable to disease? Why not grant us an impervious immune system?
>>72495248
>BUT if you want to re-define goodness = godlyness. Then really I have no better hope of convincing you of anything, than I have of convincing the aztecs not to pull my beating heart out and sacrifice me.
this. Also arguments from authority are always fails.
>>72494643
you can i belief god could made evolution to trick us so we would be where we are now , only the ones with true faith can see past it
>>72494959
Can you prove the big bang happened? With no time machine technically not.
You can look at things and guess it's cause at best. Likely in a few hundred years people will laugh at what you believe right now as well (and if I am wrong, perhaps they will laugh at me).
Just try thinking from the other perspective.
>>72495200
>How many crayons have you eaten this week?
>>72495248
The mic just got fuckin dropped.
>>72495530
>immediately go to the Big Bang when questioned
Lmao
You literally didn't even address my question you just immediately went off topic.
Also there is at least evidence and logic going for the Big Bang, there is no evidence or logic to suggest we were ever immortal.
>>72495524
Your picture shoots yourself in the foot.
You mean we're so similar to baboons and other apes that we might confuse bones with each other?
>>72495338
Because hurr you ate muh apple bitches so I fuck up whole creation to make your lives miserable. Also I'm a kindest person ever, people who don't believe it burn in eternal fire.
>>72488446
>Everyone understands that religion is a meme
Sorry, but creationists aren't Christian, but protestant zionists messianic pro isreael falseflaggers to make us look bad.
>/pol/ supports trump
>/pol/ are fucking creationists
>/pol/ believes we rode around on dinosaurs
Holy fuck what happened to this place
>>72495338
The original sin.
>>72495530
>Can you prove the big bang happened? With no time machine technically not.
How would you know to spot the big bang even if you got to see it with your own eyes anyway?
The big bang is proved with mathematics and observations, this is how we figure out most of our shit - using methods that rationalizes the world around us, even bends it to our wills.
>>72491238
god used to be in the sky.. then when we found out about space, he went to space, then he went beyond time or whatever, now he's retreated outside of space? wheres god running to?
>>72495338
So that we have challenges and hardships to face. As described in the bible.
Notice how when you have nothing to do you get bored? If it goes on long enough you begin to get depressed. If we had everything your imperfect body wanted we would have nothing to do.
Think about how the dangers of the world have driven us to do. If we could not die at the hands of disease or animals we would likely be happy picking berries and sitting there our whole lives.
>>72495530
Going back 13.7 billion years to very beginning of time that science proposes, and managing to prove anything, is a much, much, muuuuch more difficult task than asking Christianity to provide evidence of its earliest claims which are only 10,000 to 6,000 years ago.
>>72495524
How come the ones with true faith are rarely the ones with basic punctuation skills?
>>72495212
Why should human infants need food at all?
You're assuming that they don't fit the pattern for what a human infant was designed to be but you have no reason to. You're assuming that if God is real he'd want us to live in perpetual godmode, rather than as finite human beings with challenges
>>72495802
If you read the bible, we have no idea how long adam and eve lived or how long things happened in that time. Moses and Enoch and so many more lived long lives due to being closer to gods image.
As for the Big bang, I was merely saying, you have no real proof of it either. Its just an "educated guess".
And lets be real, the Big Bang wont be considered a real theory in the future anyway. It will be laughed at like scientific books 500 years ago etc.
>>72495662
no it means they grab a bunch of bones and create a thing from it ,if you can just grab a bunch of bones and make a human/monkey from it .If you can see a human in pic related then you are clearly retarded
>>72495800
Oh you mean our hardships caused us to adapt to our enviornment?
Yeah, that's literally evolution by natural selection.
But the bible says the world was created in 7 days, and without hardships to begin with.
It's almost like it was written by multiple people with very limited understandings of how the world works.
>>72495777
Kekd hard
>>72495248
If goodness is purely subjective then God is free to create things with what He thinks is good and his creations aren't "flaws" if he sets limitations
You say that we can't have any arguments about what's good or not because the Aztecs came to conclusions we disagree with, but you don't provide a non-subjective basis for the Aztecs to draw from. You could convince the aztecs that their gods don't exist but if they say "okay but we still want to do it," how are you going to prove they're being bad?
>>72496146
As I said earlier, different means to the same ends.
A day to God, as said in the bible, is a huge amount of time.
Either you have not read the bible, or you are trolling.
>>72496076
If I grabbed a bunch of bones, they'd be able to tell which ones are from apes, which ones are from lizards and which ones are from whales.
I can put them together, but then I have to explain where this creature fits in terms of everything else.
The ONLY way they could have even MADE this mistake is if humans and monkeys were closely related.
Your picture DOES shoot itself in the foot.
>>72496049
>As for the Big bang, I was merely saying, you have no real proof of it either.
Sigh. Yes we do. Big Bang's Echo. it was predicted by the theory and later found. Which makes it a THEORY and not just a guess.
>>72495530
no one is going to laugh at people applying earnest scientific inquiry using the tools and information they have available at the time to come to educated assumptions.
everyone laughs at the people who deny all evidence in favor of absurd baseless claims that inevitably prove to be false.
>>72496049
You're falsely assuming that scientific theories completely replace their predecessors. The Big Bang will likely be incorporated into a refined theory. We don't claim that Newton was a stupid retard because of General Relativity. His laws and theories are still very much so valid today. They're just not the be-all and end-all.
So to scoff at the Big Bang and dismiss it simply because you assume we'll come up with something better in the future is a stretch. There is scientific evidence of a massive, inconceivable blast of energy about 13.7 billion years ago. That's never really going to change. That's a fact of science.
>>72488446
Creationists just have to look at domesticated dogs.
>I can accept people can selectively breed dogs, but how does it happen in nature? It's impossible!
>>72495338
Because this world is a means to an end, it's not the end itself
>homology1.jpg
You some kinda faggot OP?
>>72495777
imagine your god getting cucked so hard you have to hide him outside of existence to protect him from some faggot in a fedora
>>72495800
Why wouldn't god make us perfect and perfectly content and perfectly happy to do perfect things perfectly and get perfect satisfaction?
Any argument about perfection being unsatisfying can be countered with "god could fix it" if he were all powerful.
>>72496477
A means to get you fuckin rekt so you can go to heaven or hell?
>>72495811
Ad hominem now? reddit .
>>72496407
>>72495969
>You're assuming that if God is real he'd want us to live in perpetual godmode, rather than as finite human beings with challenges
Was that not the original plan in the garden?
But yes, he took away our ability to wiggle our ears to challenge us.
>>72496548
Becuse that's not the experience we're supposed to have. And it's not the full experience of what we will have.
>>72496261
But the book was written by humans, do human's know that 7 days = a huge amount of time?
For instance, why is the time of reference in the bible switching wildly?
At the start 1 day is a very long time. let's say by day 7 we have the full set of flora and fauna we have today.
That's 14 billion years of universe evoloution compressed to seven days.
That's a neat 2 billion years per day.
From that we jump to Noah who lived 950~ years.
That's a 693,500 billion year lifespan by the time scale given in the first chapter.
Clearly this is wrong. Infact human life spans generally don't extend past 90 years now, back then probably 30.
So the time span jumps WILDLY in this book.
Almost if the writters had no formal concept of number systems and were much lower than 3rd grade level of modern times.
Why not keep to a unified time scale throughout the book?
I want you to keep making excuses for these things.
Then in the end il'l collect them all in one post, and itl'l hit you in the face full force at how ridiclous what you're suggesting is. And that that level of asusmptions and excuses applied to ANY book will result in the same belief system that you have now.
>>72495800
>If we could not die at the hands of disease or animals we would likely be happy picking berries and sitting there our whole lives.
Was that not the original plan in the garden?
>>72496672
>Becuse that's not the experience we're supposed to have.
Except for the part where that was literally, exactly the plan, right up until satan cocked it all up.
>>72496654
Not that I believe Genesis 1 through whatever is literal history, but no they didn't live without limitations. They couldn't eat from one tree. But they did it anyway, so the world has billions of limitations. They probably couldn't fly either but the author didn't say either way.
>>72496672
How do you know the experience we're meant to have isn't to sacrifice our slaves on a pyramid and pull out their beating hearts?
Or more relevantly, how do you know the experience we're meant to have isn't to strap a bomb to ourselves and blow ourselves up for god?
You're falling into the trap of re-defining what's 'good' as 'what god wants', as opposed to things like "happiness, wealth, prosperity, joy".
>>72496819
What's your point? We're talking about the experience we're having right now, not in a hypothetical golden age when we had a different nature.
>>72496290
But it is no human now or is it its just two monkeys
>>72496646
You can't comprehend that? Do you think humans have some magical power that can alter the physicality of animals or something?
Why don't you think the environment can't do that over a millions of years?
>>72494756
Yeah there's really no point in trying use logic and reasoning with these people. They're clearly not capable of rational thought.
>>72496913
They think more along the lines that God made dogs and cats as general classes and then nature/humans bred them into other species.
They don't have the idea of a common ancestor that both dogs and cats evolved from.
>>72488446
Regardless of creationism, falling for any Semitic religions are falling for Joos. Whether it is Christianity or Islam, shilling those things are voluntarily be cucked to serve Semitic people.
>>72496897
I don't know.
That's like finding the bones of your great grandfather, and his cousin.
And saying "That's not my great grandfather, that's just two of his cousins, my mistake I confused them because they were so similar"..
Also my great grand father didn't have a cousin.
Can you see the logical problem with what you're saying?
>>72491690
For starters, creating the world in a week relative to him, while being several hundred million years to us.
>>72496672
Why not give us the experience we're "supposed" to have without any suffering?
>suffering gives it meaning!
Why not give us the ability to appreciate it without suffering?
>...suffering gives it meaning!
>>72496872
I have no reason to believe that I'm supposed to be ripping peoples' hearts out of their chests, why should I go through all that effort for nothing? I have reasons to believe that what Jesus taught about God's nature is real. At which point we can start arguing about whether or not Jesus provided good enough reasons.
But if it's all subjective, with no way that we're supposed to live, then you can't say that we shouldn't be butchering other people
Also if God is the architect of everything that exists and he says a thing is good, it's not an "argument from authority" because arguments from authority are made with the "authority" isn't legitimate. If God is real then there can't be a more legitimate authority
>>72496896
>What's your point?
Because the experience we're having now is divergent from the original plan, which was in fact to chill in the garden indefinitely.
Unless, of course, you're willing to concede god planned our downfall in advance.
You're being intellectually disingenuous to the point where you simply can't be sincere and have any level of human intelligence. You're either being facetious, or you're developmentally disabled.
....is not believing in evolution a common thing in the states?
>>72497204
Pretty much.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/170822/believe-creationist-view-human-origins.aspx
>>72495530
People are already laughing at you, buddy.
>>72497160
Why does the bible keep switching the time scale so much?
If it was inspired by one author, why didn't he use the same time scale?
It's almost as if the people writting the bible had no concept of basic mathematics/unit measures.
>>72497288
How strange
>>72497173
>Why not give us the ability to appreciate it without suffering?
Okay, we're supposed to have the existence wherein we experienced a harsh environment and use our free will to make decisions with moral implications. How do I "just create" that? Create one that just thinks it had that kind of life by loading it up with false memories? Also I'm not talking about "appreciation" of pleasure because we've experienced pain.
>>72497198
>I know it's right because Jesus said so
But how do you explain all those Aztec priests and prophets who had similar arguments? What do you say to a Muslim who says "it's true because Mohammad said so" and so on. You're ignoring thousands of prophets in favor of one prophet.
>>72497204
It's 'popular' everywhere to the extent that there'll always be someone that believes in it
it's pretty retarded how we've advanced this far in society but we're still crippled by religion and baseless drug laws
>>72488503
> pineal gland
> vestigal
Good goy
>>72496834
Flight is not necessary for godmode. I wouldn't even consider a lack of challenge godmode.
Yes, we couldn't eat from the tree or wiggle our ears, but we were still pretty set up to live indefinitely in what many people would consider godmode.
Your question was "does god want us to live perpetually" and the answer to that question, if you believe in the garden, was a definite yes.
>>72497199
Human disobedience and the effects it caused were part of the plan. Assuming Genesis is literal history, you think when they disobeyed God said "Gosh... I didn't really have a plan for this situation"
>>72493824
>him or his angels.
>his angels
>even close to as beautiful a creation as humans
Heretic detected
>>72497455
I'm in the same boat but I also find militant atheists just as fucking cringeworthy as fundamentalists. Extremists of persuasions are retarded I find
>>72497385
You're placing limits on the mind that are unnecessary to impose if you stand from a point of omnipotent creative power.
Why not make a human mind that was capable of appreciating the meanings of the experience without the suffering involved in physically experiencing it. You can't just say that's impossible because God is all powerful and limitless. By his very definition he could have accomplished literally anything.
>>72497124
>I don't know
me neither but i do know that they only got like 35%30& bones from lucy , i do know that they gave her hands, while there are no bones for the hands, this makes me belief they want her to be human while she is not
>>72490977
I'm always confused by how creationist arguments always seem to be based around implications of "it just is how it is"
evolutionary arguments provide a scientifically appropriate and explainable beginning to end of our existence, Not that I'm saying creationist have no argument, but why do they seem to ignore the legitimacy of the opposing argument? "That sounds logical, but I still believe in this". Just seems weird to me. Yeah religion is based on faith, but we're so far in the future it should be evident the only true signs of religious proof exist so long ago it can't be traced back for reference, and forces you to rely on translated and modified hand-downs of the original story in the form of a bible and church
>>72497198
Well then you've assumed that what jesus has taught is true. Whatever he taught.
I mean IF jesus came down and was the son of god, virgin brith, died for our sins...
BUT also recommended scarifcing at least one slave per day.
It would be okay to do this because it's the will of god.
I mean the bible flirts with this concept a lot. "Go and murder your son on a mountain, it's the 'good' things to do".
"Go and rape these people, god 'approves' it".
These are the 'experiences' that we are 'intended' to have. IF you go down the slippery slope of saying: "Suffering" is an experience we are 'intended' to have by god.
Suffering is bad, deep down we understand this, just like we understand rape and human sacrifice as bad.
If you want to say "Suffering is good because god said so", then you must ALSO say "Anything is good because god said so".
Thus, you really wouldn't be much more different from the ancient aztecs or the muslims.
You've got to make a choice:
Do I follow jesus because what he says agrees with MY personal moral compass?
Or do I follow jesus because he's jesus and I'd follow him no matter what.
The first is a step away from the religion, the second is a step towards radical Islam, and Aztec sacrifices.
>>72497552
Yeah that's definitely fair to say
>>72488833
Actually, there are historical records of people committing suicide due to dental pain.
And ancient dentistry is pretty much horror movie tier just like how ancient doctors were also pretty much horror movie tier.
Snake oil was the least of your fears.
Shit like liquid mercury was actually thought to be good for you or whatever grounded up animal bones they mixed shit together with.
>>72497198
>Also if God is the architect of everything that exists and he says a thing is good, it's not an "argument from authority" because arguments from authority are made with the "authority" isn't legitimate. If God is real then there can't be a more legitimate authority
You aren't referring to thew word of a hypothetically perfect god, you're referring to the words of a book written by men who claimed to by relaying the words of god. THEIR authority is illegitimate, not god's. unless you're claiming to have personal correspondence with god.
>But if it's all subjective, with no way that we're supposed to live, then you can't say that we shouldn't be butchering other people
he never said that. the argument was never about what people do, those are just illustrations, the argument is about the justifications people use.
>>72488446
I accept evolution as a God-made process. I also accept biological determinism while many leftist cucks wont despite believing in evolution.
>>72496338
Fucking rekt
If God isn't constrained to the observable natural law of our universe, then God isn't even constrained by logic or any form of argumentation. His very existence is a denial against the objectivity of our observable universe. No matter what you say, their is little persuasive power in logic and probability against the truth in creationism and religion. For to them, God is above the law because his perception and view is the law. An example of this would be the changing severity of Earthly punishment for various sins in the Bible. This supposed arbitrary interpretation of judgement on the part of God is not a problem though.
To them, argumentation is logic based off of faith, an emotional assumption. It is not logic based off likely assumptions ultimately rooted in the observable universe.
To these sorts,
God is not an assumption it is the ultimate objective truth. He is reality, yet beyond the constraints of reality.
This is because He is God.
>>72488446
Religious discussion is like sarcasm, it's just the lowest common denominator type shit.
At the end of the day God could have godded up the big bang theory and evolution. nobody fucking truly knows anything.
reminder ancient aliens is just religion for pseudo scientists, and believing aliens did it is no better than 'lol god did it'.
>>72497923
So in other words
He's fake
>>72497651
Nice picture of yourself there, little buddy! Looking good! Don't worry, God will accept everyone who accepts Him.
God bless.
>>72493186
It's a meme. To attack Christianity but not the religion of """peace""". How is Islam the religion of peace? Is it a oxymoron?
>>72497999
kek, however, blesses my post with trips so is clearly real
>>72497385
What is the point of this test? To see if we're "good" people?
> Oho yes I will create these creatures. I want them to be good according to an arbitrary set of rules that I deem worthy. Some will be flawed, and I shall damn them to an eternity of suffering. I am kind and benevolent.
If morality is based on god's ideals and not just a byproduct of evolution and the human experience, then god is just making up the rules and being super pissed when we break them.
You're back to this whole question of what good is and why it is good.
>>72498007
He likely doesn't exist, especially with the contradictory characteristics attributed to him.
>>72497812
You know there's a lot of parallels between leftists and the rise of Christianity.
>>Successful roman society, large empire, prosperity
>>Succesful white america, Propserity, happiness.
>>Minority Jewish ethnic group living in Roman society, lived in Ghettos, did a lot of protested, riots and basically caused trouble. Leaders didn't want to just genocide them for historic reasons (Slavery/Egypt).
>>Minority black ethnic group living in American society, Lives in ghettos, did a lot of protesting, riots and basically caused trouble. Leaders didn't want to just genocide/deport them for historic leftist (Slavery) reasons.
>>Minority group starts to get very rowdy, as a form of appeasement, Emperor changes the entire state's laws to 'accomodate' for the things the rioters protested about (Christianity legalized, and adopted as state religion).
>>Minority group starts to get very rowdy. As a form of appeasement bernie sanders starts trying to push laws through that appease the black community. (Welfare, handouts).
As you can see Christianity was born almost identically the same way as the black community in America.
Ask yourself just who is the leftist.
>>72498008
So god will accept a rapist who's faithful, but would make someone who's never done anything bad burn forever because he doesn't believe?
Seems like old Goddy-boy is kind of a dick.
Oh, and there's all of the babies and severely retarded people who will burn in hell because they're not capable of accepting him.
There are actually people on /pol/ that don't believe in a far superior being(s) that watches over us.
While there may not be an afterlife or may not have created the universe, I guarantee you that there is some supernatural sentient force that guides humanity as a whole.
>>72498421
I don't think so.
I think we observe the results of our actions and adjust our trajectory as we go.
This is our guidance mechanism.
It's been well studied in academia. Our sentiment supernatural force, is quite natural and is a simple feedback system.
>>72498326
At least you seem to get it.
None of this has anything to do with politics.
Kill yourselves.
>>72497692
why would it be ?Mmy religion is build on faith If god is real and all powerfull would he reveal him self in science? this removes faith .would he create evolution to keep the faith , if he did not create evolution we now could proof god
>>72488446
Omphalos hypothesis. Stay fucked forever, since you can't do anything else.
>>72498496
If you've never had an ESP experience or given two choices and the far least likely choice actually turned up correct because something gave you a sign.
Then I simply feel sorry for you.
Wait you can't be Christian and believe in evolution??
>>72498566
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eU6YDB9lqjQ
pleasse nigger go watch this video and say again that christfags have nothing to do with politics
>>72498735
I think you just committed heresy with the ESP thing.
But regardless,
If i flip a coin, the force of the finger, the air friction, air density, and few other factors determine the flip.
There's no reason to assume any of those things are going to change, and further any of those things are going to change to give me a 'sign'.
You ever been given two choices, the less likely one occur... you think it's a sign... end up following the sign, and being much worse off then when you started..
You probably have, but you shrugged it off with either:
1) That's the devil's work, forgive me god, false sign.
2) It's god's will and I trust it will all be good in the end.
If you eliminate the possibility of being wrong about god... then ofcourse it will appear as you're always right.
>>72498421
>I guarantee you that there is some supernatural sentient force that guides humanity as a whole.
That's cool, how are you going to do that? It's not an outlandish belief but you have to have evidence or proof.
>>72488503
>this triggers the medfag
>>72499113
I've seen it, you fucking idiot.
Not an argument.
>>72499132
>evidence or proof
There will never be.
Just as it was written.
You have to feel it for yourself.
Living blindly with your eyes closed you will never experience it.
>>72499073
It's difficult to do so.
That's like believing in communism, but supporting the free market, owning of private property, and the freedom from taxes and wealth distribution.
Sure you can 'call' yourself a communist, but really... you're just china.
>>72488446
>DUDE CHECK THIS DRAWING OF A BONE
>PROOF FOR ATHEISM
>>72499219
Or you could just believe that the bible isn't 100% fact on every level
>>72488503
80% of that is scientifically wrong
>>72499208
>feel
How about you fuck off with your feelings and live in the real and rational world?
>>72499396
>Getting this angry.
Good good, let the butthurt flow through you
>>72499208
It's a neat trick though isn't it.
Take a piece of paper. Write on it;
"The world is flat, the piece of paper never lies".
The world must be flat, the piece of paper afterall never lies.
But we KNOW the world is round.
But we KNOW the paper never lies.
Something about what we KNOW must be incorrect.
If the paper and the world are the only things that exist in the universe, then there's no way to know which is correct. Each could be lying.
If there's a third object, it can verify which of the two is true.
A fourth object provides two verifications.
A universe of object provides a universe of verifications.
Most of the universe has verified that the bible is NOT saying the truth.
Why do you stick with it?
>>72499261
i dont get that picture wheels drive on the road it is a good design, why would god not use the same design
>>72499448
Slightly annoyed.
>>72499132
whats he gonna do show you some test tube. Stop looking outward for God, that's your first mistake, you have to look inward.
>>72499297
It's getting wronger as the days go on though, you can see the trend?
First we believed that humans were created, then they were monkeys.
We believed disease was god punishing us, then we figured out about bacteria.
even moral things:
We thought it was alright to have slaves, then we realised it was bad.
We thought it was okay to chop the foreskins off of kids. Then we realised it's a bit of a shitty thing to do.
Some people think it's a nice idea to fly planes into buildigns for god, give them a few centuries, they'll figure out it's not the right thing to do.
Either you call youself a 'diminishing christian' where you believe in the original teachings less and less as the years go on.
Or you make an assumption, follow the trend and renounce it now.
>>72488503
>thymus
>vesitigial
Yeah I guess we dont really need T cells for anything
>>72499073
you can see
>>72498598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3L15e2sNZsU
>>72499870
do you know about this anon?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5A6Kbf-ocWk
>>72499745
>>72499940
If god appeared before me, and showed me some miracles, explained himself beyond doubt then vanished I would be a Christian.
What would have to happen for you to NOT be a Christian.
>>72495241
>lol all the stupid atheists make threads bashing religion XDDDDDDDD
>the christians making threads bashing atheists are a small minority and don't represent all christians
>>72499745
that is exacly the atheist error god has to proof him self to me.
>>72488503
>body hair
>appendix
>pineal gland
>thymus
>>72500053
What kind of argument is that?
We've seen the truth.
>oh man my life is falling apart now even though i'm doing as i should
>even though I have first hand account of miracles
>guess fuck my faith now faam.
are all atheists this retarded?
>>72488446
It has some moral and cultural value but yes religious people are retards.
>>72500053
My best friend, when he was in his edgy atheist stage like you currently are in, said even if god proved himself to people he would still rebel because he thinks gods laws etc are stupid.
After that it seemed clear to me it's never going to be all or nothing for either side.
>>72500128
There just needs to be some form of evidence man.
Else what seperates God for Harry Potter?
>>72488471
>coccyx
>vestigial
Please look up what the coccyx does. It is neither vestigial nor did it used to be part of a 'tail'.
>>72500198
>>72500224
Really the question is, what would have to happen for you to NOT believe in god?
I have a 'loss' criteria'. I WILL abandon my position with athiesm IF "X" happens.
What's your loss criteria. What could cause you to abandon your position with Christianity?
It doesn't have to be realistic or even plausible. Just that there IS a loss criteria. Because if there isn't.
Then you are 100% certified delusional.
>>72488570
Now I know this is a troll.
This has been proven false those are ot gills, but the ear structures.
>>72500053
You want that god proofs him self to you,can you show me anything in ancient texts where god did that for just a common man with no future motives for a grand plan. If god is real do you think you are special, do you think you are better then the people who drowned with the flood?
>What would have to happen for you to NOT be a Christian.
i have been a atheist for 30 years literally nothing can turn me back to being a atheist
>>72489826
Again, not used for legs or hips; several muscles are anchored there for mating, like our 'vestigial' coccyx is used to anchor muscles. Fuck.
>>72500413
Stop bringing up christianity.
I'm not defending christianity.
While I may understand certain parts of the bible because it was written by a man who was in touch with a god type being it still isn't the full truth.
All recorded events and documents of god will become warped by those who don't see or feel the truth.
People who know the truth don't simply lose their faith, top kek.
You are truly lost though and frankly i'm bored with your parroted arguments.
>>72500608
So you're saying there is NOTHING that will change your view.
You don't have a view.
The view has you.
Basically you're certified delusional at this point, and possibly dangerous.
I don't see how people can come on /pol/ and pretend to be red-pilled while claiming to not believe in a super natural being.
Truly mind boggling.
Are you all just edgelord teenagers refusing to open your eyes because daddy and mommy forced you to miss out on your sundays by forcing you to go to church?
>>72493457
We don't 'look like Him'. It's that we have His 'nature'; the capacity for love, empathy, caring, creation, all of the good stuffs.
He is immaterial and timeless.
>>72500747
>People who know the truth don't simply lose their faith, top kek.
Confirmed for Delusional.
Honestly think about that for a second. If nothing, not even anytihng in the realm of possiblity but also outside of it can convince you otherwise.
You're delusional. You've bought into it. You're no better than the muslims suicide bombers.
You have no morality except what it taught you.
You have no worth except what ti says you do.
>>72497160
...
Nice interpretation to fit your modern sensibilitiies there bud
>>72500935
>>72500857
>>72500413
>You're dangerous
>You're delusional
>Fuck church
>I hate my parents
>Fuck you
Grow up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTOoYxOf92s
>>72494520
>all organs going non stop for decades upon decades
Think about that line in greater detail. All of our cells, skin, liver, heart, brain, lungs, everything working in complete harmony without us having to think to control it.
>>72500957
its not though
Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts, 4And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation. 5For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: 6Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: 7But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 9The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
>But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
>that by the word of God the heavens were of old
>>72501039
The two christfags in this conversation have basically admitted that nothing.
Nothing at all. Nothing supernatural, nothing natural can ever change their position.
From what I understand about having an opinion or a belief... There needs to be some 'point' where you realise
"if that is the case, you are wrong.".
Anything has this. If I think unicorns exist.. somewhere in the universe...
Then I will accept I'm wrong if I go to every spec of anything in the universe and check for unicorns and find none.
This is beyond a 'belief'.
I don't mean to say 'delusional' to offend you. But it describes the mental illness your experiencing pretty correctly.
"I think X"
"There is lots of evidence against the existence of X"
"I will not stop believing X, ever".
Substitute X with anything, and that's textbook delusional.
At this point just own it. "I am delusional".
>>72501278
You're just angry and you're spilling it onto an internet thread.
We can literally smell the fumes coming out of your ears.
You're just an edgelord mad at your parents for forcing you to church.
Just looking for an argument because you're mad.
>>72501332
Because you're literally delusional, I don't think anything you say has any merit, or CAN have any merit.
Think about it, If you're god told you to suck my balls and accept that you're wrong. You would do it.
As much as it hurts you, your delusions inevitably make you exploitable.
How do I know you're not just exploited to say the things you've just said.
You've basically given up any 'agency' you had.
You've literally de-humanized yourself.
>>72501332
nah he is from reddit and laughing his ass off,
>Dailey reminder that if god is real a atheist wants you to go to hell, and tries to pave the road to hell for you , while a christfag wants to save you, fuck muslims atheist are the real terrorist if god is real
>>72501424
You want to compare spiritual people to violent extremists full of hate in the middle east.
Yet even liberals claim those islamic terrorists are not actual muslims.
And they're right, they haven't felt god in anyway and only parrot statements just as you are now.
Once you feel God and you're able to see him, you will understand more than you can ever hope to.
Truly you are the one delusional.
>>72501554
>> if god is real
I guess muslims are still the real terrorists then.
>anti-creationist
>bothers to live and argue about shit as if anything matters
Pick one
>>72500406
WEW LAD
edgy athiest make them selves look dumb again.
>>72501585
Provide an 'exit' criteria for your argument, and you will lose your 'delusional' status:
Fill in the blank:
"I believe in God now, BUT if _____________ happened, then I would not".
It's a simple task man. Without that, you can't really hold a position. Without answering that question the only thing separating:
>>Spiriutal people
and
>> Extremists full of hate in the middle east
is topics discussed/commanded by your book.
God did it for some reason.
Religion: 1
Atheists: -666
>>72501424
>If you're god told you to suck my balls and accept that you're wrong. You would do it.
nope i would say begone satan see you clearly dont understand god and will never belief in him with this mind set
>>72501742
Nice circular logic there little kid.
I already stated.
If someone sees the truth and they realize it's real, why would anyone lose their faith?
God damn you're a moron.
A reality can't be changed because of any action including torture.
>>72501640
I argue about this because it's interesting watching you guys flip flop, squirm, and get angry with your helpless arguments.
It's a bit shitty of me I know, but eh. Kid's gotta burn ants with a magnifying glass at least one point in his life.
>>72490977
How is sticking tiny legs on something that's too heavy to ever be able to walk (>>72489826)
a good design decision?
>>72493501
most of people in history have been religious.
Believing in magic doesn't make you better at anything.
Go sacrifice babies you stupid cunt
>>72501841
>Admitting to being full of hate.
Okay, thanks for proving me right.
Go yell at your parents some more for making you go to church.
>>72501815
>If someone sees the truth and they realize it's real, why would anyone lose their faith?
Because of new evidence. That's how human logic works. This is why I say that you're delusional.
If I think the square is red, and I see that the square is actually blue. I MUST change my opinion.
If I believe in evolution as 'the truth', and then I find a donkey give birth to a Girraffe which grows up into a tortoise, then I will STOP believing in evolution.
If i was a Hindu and believed in the many armed elephant god, but jesus appeared before my eyes and said "That's not the way, this is the way" I would change my beliefs.
But if you believe in jesus, and the many armed elephant god appeared before you and trumpted his trunk and informed you that jesus was wrong....
You would still believe in jesus?
One of these above statements is not like the rest.
Can you pick which one?
Can you pick.. the delusional one?
The five ways
>>72501424
>You've literally de-humanized yourself.
Does being a theist turn you into a lizard person?
>>72501742
>"I believe in God now, BUT if _____________ happened, then I would not".
How about if you could prove from start to finish the evolution from whatever common ancestor until now.
As it stands, you're acting on a whole lot of faith that the missing link is a thing and that we came from
simple cell > complex cell > fish > ??????? > ???????? > ????????? > ????? > ??? > monkeys > humans
that's the blank evolutionists have yet to fill.
>>72501926
Hey, just because I'm having fun at your expense, doesn't mean I'm wrong.
Infact quite the opposite, if I was wrong, I wouldn't be having fun at your expense.
>>72488446
What if we dont know whether god is real or not... and it doesnt matter as long as you are a good person... and evolution being real disproves neither argument....?
/thread
>>72501841
>can't dispute total futility of his own life or feelings according to his own world view
>projects his insecurity and "squirming" on people who are happy and confident
Bernie Sanders losing has really driven you neckbeards to desperation
>>72502088
Woah Hey,
You're misunderstanding it.
I'm not saying evolution is right, or anything. It could be right, it could be wrong. As you've said it's a bunch of ???? at the moment.
BUT I know what I need to see for it to be 'confirmed' wrong.
My question is, what do you need to see for jesus/christianity/thiesm to be 'confirmed' wrong?
