>If you support the death penalty for murder then you're just as bad as a murderer
If you support police using deadly force > then you're just as bad as a murderer
If you drive a car, there are people who make cars that get hurt on the job and die sometimes even suicide from being depressed
> then you are just as bad as a murderer
> why don't you go get fucked Op
I think the people themselves should be able to carry out executions of said criminals from or in their communities.
I don't think the state should be allowed to have that much power over a human life, regardless of the crime.
>>72430837
Murder is the theft of innocent life
Killing someone who committed murder isn't murder, it is justice on behalf of the innocent life lost
>>72431586
Something sharia law?
>>72430837
Is this a crossover frogposter from /tv/? Those threads are the only reason I go there.
>if you kill him, you're just as bad as he is!
>>72430837
Taking a life is only legitimate when the person is at that moment a significant threat to the lives of others.
>>72431586
>I don't think the state should be allowed to have that much power over a human life
So you are also against your country's army using lethal weapons I guess?
>>72431963
>you owe me!
>if you support the police taking people away and locking them up you are just as bad as a kidnapper because kidnappers take people away and lock them up
>It's ok to kill someone whose trying to kill you!
You may as well let them kill you because you are not better and someone still dies
>I had to shoot him in the head/body
No, you could have shot him in the leg and he would still be alive and get a second chance at life but you chose to kill him
>He pointed a replica gun at me but I thought it was real so I killed him
Once again, you could of Shor him in the leg and if it's a kid the gun is most likely fake, if you are unsure if it is real, hide behind something and see if it shoots bullets, if not you don't need to shoot the kid, if it does you can wait until he runs out of ammo or shoot him in the leg, no one needs to die
>>72430837
Agreed. No one has the right to decide who lives and who dies.
>>72430837
Why should that murderer be taken care of for the rest of his life for killing someone, is rewarding murder worse than the act itself?
>>72432905
If someone kills my daughter I don't care what some faggot on the internet thinks, I'm blowing that nigger's brains out.
If you support the death penalty you're a retard.
>>72433006
Enjoy prison and hell then. You are not changing anything but making yourself a murderer to satisfy a redundant emotion.
>>72433006
You will spend the rest of your days in jail. What's worse, a 10 minute rape and murder or a 10 minute rape and murder followed by another murder?
>>72430837
eye for an eye.
life for a life.
>>72433006
You would be taking two degenerates out of society. So even better for the rest of us.
>>72432838
What if I just like death?
>>72433121
I will. I'm changing the fact that that nigger is alive.
>>72433140
The second one isn't murder. You're acting that murderer is human.
>>72431963
>>if you kill him, you're just as bad as he is!
>mfw this has now spilled over to real life with the 'but if we're mean to muslims that will make ISIS want to kill us!'
>>72433576
You're a good man mate, don't listen to these leftist parasites.
>>72433576
All right, just letting you aware that what you are doing is wrong and your punishment will be swift. And if anyone knew what you were going to do, they would stop you.
>>72433738
Because leftist parasites believe in law and justice, right?
>>72431586
You mean like bounty hunt? That would be awsome to encorage this kind of thing again and let the average joe to get cash by helping the law :D
>>72433770
Killing an intruder in my home is legal in my state.
Go suck a dick. Never mind, I don't need to tell you to do that.
>>72433867
He'd be following the law where I, and all true Americans, live, you waste of a human conscience.
>>72433932
If he is an intruder and a threat to your life, then you have the right to defend yourself. That still does not make what you had to do right, you will just not be punished for it. But hunting someone down and killing when they are no threat for the sole purpose of vengeance is degenerate and you need to move out of civilized society. So which law justifies vengeance when the victim was no threat exactly?
>>72434176
Who said there was no threat?
The burgular broke to hi's house for a reason did he?
Just because he queered out when he pulled a gun doesn't mean he won't do it again for whatever reason.
Of you think all life is important, just know that more than 10000 people died when you read my post you faggot.
>>72434176
>No threat
Excuse me sir, you must have fired your brain. A previous murder is most certainly a threat and should be given the same treatment as he gave to his victims.
Also, nice goalpost movement. I was only implying that if someone had broken into my house and killed my family that I'd kill them right back. I never talked about vigilantism.
Typical leftard tactics.
>>72434421
What does a cancer in human form does in this trump-praising black-hating place anyways?
>>72433770
>All right, just letting you aware that what you are doing is wrong
That's just like, your opinion, man.
>>72430837
It's kind of true though OP.
There's a difference between defending yourself by killing someone and having a third party murdering someone for you.
The first one is justifiable in a moral sense, the latter isn't, because the person who has committed a crime is now imprisoned and no longer a threat, and therefore it would be murder to kill them.
>>72434561
Shills to people whose ears are set in stone. Quite a useless existence, really.
>>72434570
That is what you will say to someone if his opinion was not cancer :P
I would instead say: drink bleach and shove a taser into your ass you exuse of a human.
>>72434680
>no longer a threat
The person fucking killed someone and is likely to kill again. he's still very much a threat and should be put down accordingly.
>>72434809
>The person fucking killed someone and is likely to kill again.
A person spending life imprisonment in jail, is likely to kill someone again?
I don't think so. And besides, laws shouldn't be modeled on what you or anyone thinks is "likely to happen in the future".
>>72434397
When did someone is no threat in a robbery? My point is if you or someone you see is in danger, you have the right to defend yourself. But vengeance and killing defenseless victims, no matter their past, is never justifed.
>>72430837
The reason executions are not allowed is because the system will fail and countless innocent people will day, dumb Aussie
Just like how "hate speech" is a problem, so will executing people for saying the wrong thing will be if you allowed it
If you want to live in a Sharia law country, nobody is stopping you from moving to Saudi Arabia
>>72434729
Useless and annoying as hell.
>>72434922
Exactly what i said my friend :^)
>>72434891
Why should we keep him for the rest of his life instead of just disposing of him there? It would be much more efficient and we'd have more room in our overflowing prisons.
>>72434680
At least in US law, murder is unlawful homicide with malice aforethought. If I want to kill you because I think you're a dick, and I plan the whole thing out and kill you, then I've committed first degree murder. If you bump into me in a club, and I think "fuck this guy," and I kill you, then I've committed second degree murder.
Every thing else is just shades of homicide. If I get drunk and back over you with my car, I killed you, and I'm totally guilty of something, but it isn't murder; it's a different kind of homicide.
Soldiers killing soldiers isn't murder, because there isn't malice aforethought. And the lawful execution of a murderer isn't murder, because the motivation isn't there.
>>72435056
Because the denial of liberty is the punishment for crimes in civilized society.
If you don't like it, perhaps you should move to Saudi-Arabia where they cut the hands of thieves and execute people for being fags.
>>72434945
>countless innocent people
A few sad missteps. :^)
>>72434421
Yeah, and that is where are opinions differentiate. No one has the right to decide to end a life, so what makes you believe you can after the fact? Saying that because he did it makes it okay for you to do it makes no sense and you become just as bad. Again, how are law and justice leftist tactics?
>>72435162
>Because the denial of liberty is the punishment for crimes in civilized society.
Who says this apart from yourself? Even the Founding Fathers had people executed.
>>72435094
>The state defines murder as X
>Therefore if the state kills someone it isn't murder
Gee, how convenient.
>>72434570
I agree. Just like people who say rape is wrong is just like, their opinions.
>>72435056
I think the best thing to do is to make bountyhunt a thing again, which means that the police will pay the average joe to help them with criminals :^)
>>72435263
>"The Eighth Amendment (Amendment VIII) to the United States Constitution is the part of the United States Bill of Rights (ratified December 15, 1791[1]) prohibiting the federal government from imposing excessive bail, excessive fines, or cruel and unusual punishment."
>cruel and unusual punishment
>>72435341
Well if you want to go about it with that angle, yeah, morality is subjective.
Rape is pretty wrong though.
>>72431951
Many people on /pol/ are really quite close to sharia law. If they were Muslims, they'd definitely pull in that direction and probably be the sorta people who hide terrorists in their neighbourhood.
>>72435227
>No one has the right to decide to end a life
The courts do, and if the courts say that person should die, then they should die.
>Saying that because he did it makes it okay for you to do it makes no sense and you become just as bad.
An eye for and eye, mate. Besides, there is a large difference that you're just too retarded to see. The Murder killing someone did it presumably because he wanted to take a life, the person taking the life of the murder is doing it because of the murderers actions.
>>72435423
Great idea mate, we already have bounties here in the US and they work swimmingly.
>>72435452
Obviously the Founding Fathers didn't consider executions to be cruel and/or unusual punishment, because they allowed it themselves. :^)
>>72435308
True, but words have usage, and murder is one of the most over-used. People use it along the lines of "somebody died and I think it's bad."
Drunk drivers don't murder people; meat isn't murder; Michael Brown wasn't murdered; and executions aren't murder. It doesn't say that any of it's good or right, it's just that murder probably isn't the word to use.
I don't think we murdered a bunch of soldiers in WWII; I don't think Michael Brown was murdered during the stop; and I don't think we murdered John Wayne Gacy.
>>72435557
Yep. We decide what is right and wrong. But what gives our morals any concrete standing is they have to be consistent in nature to your beliefs. We can agree to that.
>>72435641
>Obviously the Founding Fathers didn't consider executions to be cruel and/or unusual punishment, because they allowed it themselves. :^)
Sure, and the Declaration of Independence says that all men are created equal, and the early Americans still had slave plantations.
People can still be hypocrites regardless of whatever rules they make.
>>72435827
If the Founding Fathers were hypocrites, then why can't we.
Also, you just moved the goalpost again.
>>72435641
I know certain courts do, and I disagree with them. Just like I disagree with abortion.
>Justice system is not always 100%
>Ergo, eventually, an innocent person will be executed
>Thus, murder
Let them rot in jail forever.
>>72435756
I think executions are murder, because the people who carry out the executions have not been wronged in a way that justifies that they have a right to kill someone, they have simply been endowed by the authority of the state to kill someone without legal repercussions.
>>72435341
>Just like people who say rape is wrong is just like, their opinions.
Yeah, but not really. If you're talking about right vs. wrong in terms of morality, then it is just an opinion. Morals and laws aren't just about right and wrong, though. They're more about pro-social and anti-social behaviors.
Killing people because you don't like them is anti-social behavior; it's bad for society. Molesting children is bad for society, stealing from people is bad for society, and raping people is bad for society. Rape isn't illegal because it's wrong; it's illegal because it's an anti-social act. Society is harmed when everybody's raping people.
That's why it used to not really be a problem to rape prostitutes and entertainers and such. They were seen as below society, and, thus, raping them wasn't so anti-social an act. It's never just about right and wrong; it's about encouraging pro-social behaviors and discouraging anti-social ones.
>>72432838
You're a retard. Have fun dying, cuck
>>72436031
Do you realize that you are basicly spitting shit right now?
We are not in the medival age when we burnt people because we thought they were witches, we have a goddamm court that says you need proof to execute someone. Solid. Fucking. Proof. Which means: no solid proof= no execution, thus, no innocent men will be executed.
Dipshit
>>72436092
>I think executions are murder, because the people who carry out the executions have not been wronged in a way that justifies that they have a right to kill someone
So if somebody killed my three children and wife, then you'd consider it better for me to perform the execution than an agent of the state?
>>72436352
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exonerated_death_row_inmates#2010.E2.80.932015
>yfw
>>72436260
And where did those laws come from? People who made up their own morals and happened to share them. We still make up what is right and wrong. Morals and laws are seperate, but they are convenient when they are the same.
>>72436352
The justice system makes mistakes. Don't give out punishments you can't take back.
>>72436352
There are dozens of cases of innocent people being executed in the states alone. I'm so glad we abolished that barbarism here, have it done in your name but I certainly won't.
>>72436466
>So if somebody killed my three children and wife, then you'd consider it better for me to perform the execution than an agent of the state?
No, but if you caught him in the act and you had a gun in your hand, you would be justified in shooting him to end his life.
But after he's arrested? No. I don't think the state should sentence people to death.
Like I said earlier, there is a difference between defending yourself or someone in the heat of the moment by killing them, and killing them when they are sitting in a cell and will rot there forever until they die.
>let the person who murdered someone live because muh feels
That piece of shit will sit in jail and eat tax payer money. He is useless and keeping him alive is pointless.
I feel like any jury or judge that's willing to sentence a man to death should be willing to carry out the execution themselves. A society that revels in violence but doesn't want to dirty its hands is a sick society.
>>72436488
It's nice and all that you have a list of people that were innocent when executed.
However if you have fucking eyes, all executions happened before the 21st century.
You realize things changed since then do you?
And even if they happened in this century, the number is litterally under 30. That means more people died from dorgetting to breath this year than people that died from execution while innocent
>>72430837
>things ancaps pretend they believe
>>72437003
>It's okay if we kill innocent people because it's a really small number
>the executions didn't happen yet, who cares if they were slated to die despite being innocent
dat damage control
More people drowned in the bathtub than any one of these people executed, how come it's a big deal? :^)
>>72436618
Thats it? 12?
Do you realize that more people died from forgetting how to breath this year at the us alone?
You left winged- cock sucker
>>72437206
So if I murder only 12 people, it's okay, right?
>>72430837
I only oppose the death penalty on the grounds that it's too quick and the criminals don't suffer enough
>>72437133
I will yell you to go and suck a cock but i guess i dont need to tell you don't i?
Ermergerd! Someone choked a guy to death, lets chop our hands for our own protection! Hurr durr
>>72437344
Ah, so you're just trolling. I thought as much. Pretty lame b8. You have to make a convincing, yet flawed argument.
>>72430837
>>72432838
Always aim for center of mass you dummy. Easier to hit. Higher chance to miss legs and get killed.
>>72430837
>Murderer kills
>You kill the murderer
Totally not the same thing. /s
>>72437393
What can i say? I guess some of us cant see logic even when its deeptroughting then and make them call it daddy.
>>72430837
>if you want a thief to repay for what he has stolen from you, you're just as bad as a thief
niggering socialist fucktard "logic"
>>72436708
I almost feel like it's more humane to kill someone than to lock them in a room for 50 years until they die of natural causes. Our prison system is designed for punishment, not rehabilitation. When someone commits a terrible act, we give up on them. The Boston bomber will never be free. If we weren't going to execute him, he'd be locked in essentially solitary confinement until he dies an old man. I'd rather be killed than be isolated from the world until I die an old man, with not even the smallest hope of ever being free.
>>72437393
What happened? Did you gay fuckfriend deeptroughted you so far you passed out or you just don't have anything to say?
>Canacucks opinion on anything
Disarded
>>72438073
Kek :^)
>>72437951
>Our prison system is designed for punishment, not rehabilitation.
Yeah, and maybe that's your problem. If you check the statistics, your country has something like a 78% chance of an inmate coming back to prison again within a 5 year period, whereas my country has something like 21%.
Most people who go to jail will be released again, but for some reason you Americans thinks it's safer for society to make prisoners worse people than they were when they first got in.
itt americans confuse revenge with justice
