So yesterday we discussed the news about the German Federal Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs preparing to introduce a law that would let Germany block EU immigrants from receiving welfare in Germany.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/germany-calls-welfare-curbs-eu-immigrants-172116924.html
Bear with me and let us dissect this situation, /pol/.
>The Federal Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs is right!
There is no direct obligation for the German state to pay social security benefit to other citizens. The EU has introduced those regulations all throughout its reach to level social security accommodations over the whole continent and thereby opened the possibility in the first place for foreigners to claim welfare in a foreign state because... well, because the EU is basically a Soviet empire but with even more despise for the national sovereignty. It would actually be quiet sane to stop this policy but the thing is that Germany has nearly never repelled or vetoed EU regulation. In fact Germany is the only state trying to pass every regulation into a law and they fucking love laws that take away money from Germans to give it to others so this proposal is more than just a big surprise. It is HUGE.
>Are Germans fed up with handing everyone money?
Yes, but this isn't about that. When a German government proposes such a law it means there is some serious shit going on for them to stop distributing their tax payer's money. That probably means that they have crunched the numbers and realized that they have run out of money. In the last months there have been newspaper reports about hundred thousands hours of overtime the civil servants have accumulated in the states. Of course you got to have enough dough around to pay at least your police or your power is pretty much gone and with the rising number of illegal immigration there also other signs of disintegration. For some time rumors and tips have made the rounds in radical political circles that the state has stopped prosecution. If you are a welfare recipient and you break the law the judge may not want to see your case through. They are closing procedures directly as soon as they find out about your status and prison sentences are often not carried out. The prisons are full which of course isn't cheap either.
Last year the expenses for welfare spending ate up around 40 percent of the annual budget. That means nearly half of the tax payer's money is redistributed by the state! The biggest drain before the invitation of the "new Germans" has been the EU expansion which opened the labor market for Romanians and Bulgarians in January 2014 since this allowed them to claim unemployment benefits. The number of recipients for those benefits have gone up around 20 percent a month later and this new law would force them back into the welfare system of their origin.
>Why should I care about this?
Well, it is quite a fascinating process. They finally run the state into the ground although they achieved a new record by keeping it going for over seven decades this time around. The problem is just that Germany isn't a sovereign state of its own but attached to Europe. So you get a broke German state and in June the British are holding a referendum about their stay in the EU. With the Brexit the second largest economic power would leave the EU. So who else is left holding the bag? France is just keeping its head over the water but the sanctions against Russia have put a huge dent in their budget and their economy still hasn't caught up. Spain and Italy seem basically broke. On top of this disaster comes Draghi battling deflation for only God knows how long now. The low interest rates usually would have meant foreign investment for the German economy, but guess what? Nobody trusts Draghi's shenanigans to take this risk. So now the ideas about negative interest are coming to full blossom. The banks will get the order to collect all 500 € bills in the next months, helicopter money and negative interest rates will be the final attack against the unstoppable recession. If Britain's exit causes the Euro to go down it will not recover. There is nothing left to initiate recovery. There will be no Bundesbank to cover the savings of the Germans - there will be none of that in the other states thanks to the Soviet central banking system of the EU.
The police will on the pay roll the longest, storming the banks and seizing all private property until they can't be paid anymore. Than of course there will also be some 10 million Muslims in Germany alone...
This will be more than just civil war.
Nice post.
>>72401501
Bump
>>72401501
>>72401525
>>72401656
>>72401501
>Last year the expenses for welfare spending ate up around 40 percent of the annual budget.
Dude. If 4chan had a history, I'd be a legend. I called this months ago. Here's what we can expect.
>Collapse of fiscal security
>Collapse of general law and order
>Rise of de facto militias
>One of these militias is hyper competent
>It becomes the government.
But if the State, 'somehow' manages to keep Law and Order, then it would mean the expulsion of Islamists regardless. Nevertheless, the market is a fickle creature, and it doesn't buy into globalism.
Can't wait.
Bump.
>>72401501
>So yesterday we discussed the news about the German Federal Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs preparing to introduce a law that would let Germany block EU immigrants from receiving welfare in Germany.
Gotta pay for all your imported Mohameds somehow!
I don't think Brexit will happen though; I WANT it to happen, but globalists are so corrupt that even if more people vote "yes" they'll at least hold a second referendum so that you can vote the "right" way
>>72401501
Jesus christ, Germany pays unemployment benefits for other nations?
I thought at first they were just going to cut off benefits to the rapefugees, but they are talking about cutting everyone off? Poor unemployed people make the backbone of revolutions as they have very little to lose...
Holy shit, it is going to be happening really soon. I hope they purge the foreign hordes while they are at it.
Here's a crazy tought?
Why not give welfare only to those with German citizenship, period.
No more economic refugees or gypsies.
No more literally burning money.
>>72404630
From what I understood, Germany is cutting itself out of the EU as far as benefit payments are involved, making poorer EU states even more likely to exit and go full revolution when all the gibs get cut off. especially for all the newly arrived africans and arabs.
>>72402691
>>Collapse of fiscal security
That ship has already sailed. In the 1980s the labor party known as SPD and the government were both afraid of a social collapse because of the rising numbers of unemployed Turks and the aging population. Than the Soviet Union collapsed and they got a fresh batch of Germans by snatching up the former DDR into the BRD.
The socialists in France thought this would finally be the time they got hook themselves onto the German economy by eliminating the competing currency and building up a shared one. But the German government gladly took the offer because that finally meant the detachment of the Bundesbank and therefore the last bit of fiscal responsibility.
Let's take a little digression into history to see what that means...
After WWI the allies forces made the Reichsbank a sovereign entity. They didn't control it and they didn't put it under control of the German government but that "separation of powers" didn't keep going for long as the socialistic promises made by the newly elected German government wasn't possible. Germany's gold had been taken, economic blockades had been set and a large part of it's economy were occupied when they couldn't pay reparations. So the solution was simply printing more money and the sovereign Reichsbank didn't resist. So the whole roaring twenties has been built on pumped up money and as we know from Ben Bernanke's admission the Fed was building up the infamous boom at this time in America which later caused a world wide economic collapse.
Over night the Reichsmark that was worth a tenth of the American Dollar at best was practically worthless. All savings were erased within a day and we all know the political repursions that followed.
So the Bundesbank has grown to be a little darling for the Germans since it was the only instance that put on brakes on government spending and of course politicians hate that.
The French hate it because they constantly have to adjust their Franc, the German politicians hate it because they it puts brakes on their budget and the German public grows to love it since it carries them relativly save through three economic recessions and the oil crises and actually protects their savings. This is something two generations of Germans that had been through the hell of the world financial crises, wars and occupation have learned to respect.
It's detachment was the final nail in the coffin and the Euro, a project that should prevent wars between the Europeans, was doomed to fail from the beginning. The Weimar times are ahead of us now. Not only in Germany.
>>72404809
>Jesus christ, Germany pays unemployment benefits for other nations?
Yes. The whole EU is set up that way. It's a Marxian wet dream.
That's grimly satisfying. Perhaps now real change can finally occur. 2nd German Empire when?
>>72405044
I knew Germany was an economic miracle, but I didnt know they carried the burden of a dozen other nations for so long. How did anyone see this as sustainable? no wonder the cucks at the top are so obsessed with letting in so many rapefugees. Need as much "fresh blood" as possible, too bad they are all economic immigrants coming for all those sweet sweet gibs me dats with zero intention of doing anything other than raping Europeans literally and fiscally.
>>72401501
>preparing to introduce a law that would let Germany block EU immigrants from receiving welfare in Germany.
Can US migrants still get welfare? we're white, and don't rape women.
>>72401501
Why the fuck is Germany worried about EU citizens getting welfare? It's not like it's as much a problem as the refugees and the non EU migrants.
German citizens get welfare in other EU countries it's only fair that EU citizens get benefits on Germany if they need it.
Focus on the non EU migrants and rapefugees.
>>72405947
If I understood it right, Germany Pays for everyone, not just Germans in other EU countries. That is why Bulgarians would have to go onto Bulgarian welfare instead of being on the German system.
>>72405415
>How did anyone see this as sustainable?
They didn't. When the Euro zone was set up the requirements to join were wishful thinking nobody thought to check up on and if there were some specifications you only had to fulfill them once. That means for example that they didn't look at the last 10 or twenty years of a nation's balance but just the one from the last. So if you cut your spending for the annual report like Greek did you were still in.
The problem the countries now have and why there was so much hate against Germany is that all countries basically gave up their fiscal sovereignty to enjoy the state welfare of the EU. Then when shit hit the fun the German government called for more rules and dictating austerity which of course pissed everybody off and then you get a lot of swastikas on the newspapers all around the continent.
I mean everybody got fucked by this decision. The French got fucked by their socialists just as much as we did. The only government to battle those Soviet tendencies was the one under Margaret Thatcher and she didn't trust the Germans one bit. So Francois Mitterand had an easy time talking her into this deal because he argued that way they wouldn't be a plaything by the reunited Germany.
Ever wonder why the people in East Germany are out on the streets so much demonstrating? Ever wonder why the Balkan states are opposed to the EU? They already been through 40 years of Soviet reign!
>>72405947
>Why the fuck is Germany worried about EU citizens getting welfare?
Because the British already went ahead and established that you don't have to pay EU immigrants welfare. So the case is already made and the German government can follow in those steps to cut their costs.
>>72406597
So what happens when the ravenous hoards arrive at the door and the pantry's empty?
>>72406597
I thought Cameron wanted to renegotiate the UK's deal with EU whereby it would as that it take 5 years until EU migrants can get welfare, also other things too. The EU didn't want this and that prompted the UK to have a referendum because of Cameron's promise.
I may be wrong but I thought that the UK already does pay benefits to EU citizens and wanted to stop this but was refused this by the EU.
Would be good if a Britbong could clear this up.
>>72406979
*whereby it would take 5 years until EU migrants can get welfare.
>>72404842
National Socialism is not allowed!
>>72406698
They will feel cheated and discriminated and start to blame their inhospitable host nation that only lets them sleep in tents instead of giving them houses. This will a cause a new drove of the Muslims joining the jihad.
The Scandinavians have already locked up their doors so it's not like they have a lot of options to upgrade from Germany after that.
>>72401501
LOOK AT THEM YO YOS, THAT'S THE WAY YOU DO IT
>>72401501
To be fair, the number of these cases are pretty small. But those cases still exist and I understand that even if it just a few hundred million a year saved, it is worth putting a law together.
P.S. this topic is NOTHING against the 30 billion in refugee costs in 2016. 30 billion! That is 10% of the budget, nearly as much as is spent on the German military. It is just utterly crazy. The only thing refugees should get is a kick in the ass.
>>72401501
like the rest of the world, they've fucked themselves by creating an unsustainable property bubble. welfare makes it possible for rapefugees to occupy property in europe. this increases demand for construction. the whole plan is to just increase construction even if there's no real GDP growth, only virtual growth.
>>72404630
Suicide by gibsmedat
>>72404842
>Why not give welfare only to those with German citizenship, period.
It's against EU law to discriminate between EU nationals and the nationals of an individual member state. This is one of the reasons why it's screwing with the more well-funded welfare systems.
>>72405947
>Why the fuck is Germany worried about EU citizens getting welfare? It's not like it's as much a problem as the refugees and the non EU migrants.
Source: your ass.
We have an incredible amount of eastern european parasites here, especially single-mothers. Not like women will ever be denied welfare.
>>72401525
>>Are Germans fed up with handing everyone money?
>Yes,
Tired of hearing this. You don't give money for free. You become your money back and also some pretty nice interest.
>>72407305
YA PLAY THE GUITAR ON THE MTV
>>72406979
He offered both the referendum and the cutting of benefits to the voters since the so called "EU skeptics" were gaining a lot of ground. You could also see that in the first round of the regional elections in France where the Front National won in a landslide.
Britain, France and Germany are the larger and more productive economies in Europe that have to spread their wealth around. This is simply irresponsible stuff you can't sell to your voters. Britain isn't even part of the eurozone unlike Greece, which is a net receiver of state welfare while the British are net payers!
How are you supposed to convince your people of this lunacy?
>>72401501
>preparing to introduce a law that would let Germany block EU immigrants from receiving welfare in Germany.
>introduce
WOW ITS FUCKING NOTHING
>>72407706
if you didn't have eastern europeans in germany your country would become muslim even faster.
>>72407822
>How are you supposed to convince your people of this lunacy?
Threaten them that the alternative is to tank the economy.
>>72407822
The two main incentives for the general populace were open borders for EU citizens and making it much harder for another war to start in Europe between European powers. But most cities are suffering from a mass excess of homeless refugees, travel's expensive and we've gone too far beyond WW2 for the average citizen to even consider another European war.
>>72403721
>no muslins
>>72408028
>we've gone too far beyond WW2 for the average citizen to even consider another European war
Except when they have nothing to lose anymore. Propaganda is a powerful tool and the mainstream media is still controlling the masses. The Greek and German newspapers were a pretty grim hit back to old times...
Do you think the Greek would have let in all those Muslims had they been allowed to decide their own fate? They specifically voted for a government opposed to the foreign imposition of austerity and promising them even more free stuff.
>>72405415
>How did anyone see this as sustainable?
By taxing the fuck out of every single German. They're literally inserting large pipes into your ass in order to find every single shekel. Why do you think food is cheap as shit here?
German economic power is a little bit of a lie considering that quite a few countries have a much richer middle class. The EU exists because the state lets us pay for its existence. It's funny if you think about it, we're controlling the EU and now it almost looks like we're actively working against it, at least from time to time. Makes no sense really.
>>72408971
>controlling the EU
>has laws decided in belgium and netherlands
I'm not sure this is the case.
>>72401525
>>72401656
I was hoping that we were just seeing the first cracks in the system due to the worsening polls (similar to what Austria already went through, where the establishment is pandering hard to the right in an attempt to save their asses).
But what you are saying actually makes a lot of sense, too.
Good thing most of my money is stored in UK companies - if Europe goes tits up they will take a hit too but at least it won't be all gone.
I-is Germany regaining its sanity?
>>72409124
It is the case.
>>72409124
Even better: Germany is underrepresented in almost every commission and panel while the French are overrepresented. Could this power construct be any more obvious?
>>72409187
No. But don't worry about next month's payment!
>>72405415
>I knew Germany was an economic miracle
It wasn't really a miracle. I mean, look at the state of Germany - pensions are so low that people who paid into them for 45 years live in poverty, we have no army because we unloaded that burden onto the NATO, classes have up to 40 pupils, the streets look like Swiss cheese - Germany has been pumping everything it has into its economy for quite a while now. Every single decision is influenced by the question how the industry can profit from it.
>How did anyone see this as sustainable?
Disarmed population. They thought they can just squeeze out a bit more from the taxpayer if spending increases and didn't realize that the taxpayer already ran dry.
>>72404630
No more welfare for white Christian migrants. Only muslims and niggers have that right
>>72407822
just do it and dont tell them seems to be working so far
>>72409218
the plan for welcoming refugees was to have the slavic and border countries like austria and poland take them in. they didnt behave as expected and made public transport available to ship them straight to germany. germany did not anticipate every single refugee wanting to go directly to germany or the border states refusing to register the refugees according to the dublin rule. this was a plan to expand the EU into the former soviet bloc by cutting down on the number of slavs but they didnt understand that the slavs would rather behead them than pay gibmedats to unwelcome foreigners.
>>72407943
You have clearly never met eastern Europeans living in Germany. They aren't the nationalistic kind you think they are - otherwise they wouldn't have abandoned their country for a bit more gibs, would they?
>>72401501
oy vey
all the yuromoniez being consumed by non white """""""""refugees""""""""" fleing war and islamic terrorism
better stop those european welfare queens
#refugeeswelcome#endwhitepeople#openborders
its just like a german politician said recently, every ent that is saved somewhere is needed to pay for the refugees, we need to cut budgets where its possible, otherwise we wont be able to stem this burden
>>72409218
nein
>>72409589
>tfw 5% of germans, mostly from east germany want another fuhrer
you need to redpill yourself on your own country anon. read the biannual extremism report.
>>72410058
Should have cut the gibs for "refugees" too and gave them nothing or material goods at best, I agree.
But lets not pretend that the "white" EU citizens who are affected by this law are any better than the Muslim hordes. It's fucking gypsies and other scum collecting welfare without ever having contributed anything and gaming the system by appealing every single decision that would stop them from doing so by appealing in court.
>>72410203
Eastern European and East Germany are two different things.
>>72410206
>gave them nothing but ham sandwiches
fix'd that for you.
>>72409578
>they didnt behave as expected and made public transport available to ship them straight to germany.
No, they didn't. They were gathered just fine in those reception camps in Hungary that were portrayed by the German media as modern concentration camps. A total sham that has been all part of the already longer ongoing propaganda warfare against Viktor Orban by the western media. They tried to portray those conditions as inhumane and the Hungarians as terrible people locking them in while the Red Cross was on site not issuing any complaint!
On the night of the 14th September German chancellor Angela Merkel called her Austrian colleague Werner Faymann and organized train transportation to get all those migrants from Hungary to Germany and Austria. This decision was made without the approval from parliament and bypassed any ministry approval. It constitutes a violation of the German constitution that prohibits the intake of refugees directly over the borders of safe third states instead of following the procedures through the related embassy.
It was Angela Merkel that called for those immigrants to come Germany which caused the huge wave the following weeks.
>>72410203
Except of course that Eastern Germany and Eastern Europe are two different things.
>>72410265
east germany is eastern europe. eastern europe is former soviet countries.
>>72410420
Yes, we here in the East all magically turned into Eastern Europeans, like the Spanish who all turned into sandniggers.
>>72410420
Eastern Europeans is a term that does not include Eastern Germans here in Germany.
>>72410483
Don't forget Lower Bavaria! They're totally Eastern Europeans too.
>>72410483
>Yes, we here in the East all magically turned into Eastern Europeans
That 'magic' has a name, Hans. :^)
>>72410660
Okay that one was actually pretty good.
>>72407729
Get back when? It's going to end with a debt cut.
>>72410410
>germans believe germany is a united country
oh wow, dont you understand how complex germany politics is? it is basically like ukraine right now. politicians need to appease the different power groups in the union. united germany will not survive. the west wants rapefugees, the east hates them and wants more gommunism. so they need to play both sides of the field.
>>72410315
>14 September nice date senpai
>>72404809
all the European countries do, The UK does it as well. That's why these fucking immigrants come here. And a reason why we want out.
>>72410660
They wuz good liberators, they didn't do nuffin.
>>72410776
Dude what the fuck are you talking about? The original statement from the Burgerbro was that we would turn Muslim even faster if we kick out all the Eastern Europeans, which makes it pretty obvious that he was not referring to Eastern Germans, because we cannot kick those out or cut them off from gibs.
To which I replied that the Eastern Europeans we are receiving are not the kebab removers but are kebab tier themselves.
Then your retarded Aussie friend showed up and tried to argue that they all want another Hitler because he didn't understand that no one was talking about Eastern Germans and now there are two of you shitters who have no idea what the discussion even was about.
Just fuck off and punch a kangaroo or sniff some glue.
>no more welfare for EU migrants
>EU migrants
>rapefugees will steel get NEETbux
hmmmmmmmmmm
These erupt an threads that infrequent late at night really make me feel bad for the state of affairs over there.
We got kids busting donuts literally inches away from running over Marxist faggots in this country, not to mention our guns, and right to protect our own lives, you all have nothing... like literally no reason to smile on a daily basis. How's life like when you awake each day and realize you're not an american with a couple acres of land/guns&freedom?
>>72411008
>How's life like when you awake each day and realize you're not an american with a couple acres of land/guns&freedom?
You grow apathetic. How else do you think we manage to basically be a nation of worker drones?
>>72410776
Why is some fucking kangaroo cunt trying to explain my once glorious nation, now nothing but a shitty country, to me.
>>72410592
that's because german propaganda wants to distance the modern state as much as possibly by denying the history of the country. one united empire, not an unstable shitty federation of states that has cultural, geographic, historic and language differences. also ww2 never happenned unless there is a kneejerk reaction to being called hitler in which case the most ridiculous approach must be taken to distance yourself politically
>14th september
>"concentration camps" popping up around europe
>aniversary of nazi party election
>get called hitler because of arbitrarily coincidental date
>omg i am not hitler
>let me people go
>jewmoses.jpg
>invites every nignog to join federation in interests of ethnic harmony
>>72410776
>oh wow, dont you understand how complex germany politics is?
I can't believe you are just #strayaplaining!
>united germany will not survive.
Don't forget, kids: Secession is the only way to fight the globalists!
FREIHEIT FÜR ALLE FRANKEN!
So Germany wants to deny other Europeans welfare when it suits them, but when Britain wants to renegotiate it's relationship with the EU by doing exactly the same thing, it tells us to bend over? Go fuck yourself Germany.
>>72411088
>language differences
Nice dubs but what the literal fuck are you on about?
>>72411088
The thread is about cutting non-German EU-citizens off from gibs. Why the fuck do you insist on talking about Eastern Germany which has nothing to do with the topic at hand? Is this one of these "I learned something new today so now I have to inject it into every single discussion, no matter if it fits" situations?
>>72411082
it was never glorious though. germany was always a lose federation. once, for a few years, you turned to gommunism and spent everything down to the last grain of sand you could gather trying to conquer the world on some massive amphetamine binge. clearly this is unsustainable so you turned back into an even poorer shit hole.
Europe is finished. I support trump but for all his "make America great again" rhetoric, we are 1000x better off than europe.
>>72411354
This is just really shit normalfag bait, literally anyone could pull that. You don't deserve to wear the kangaroo flag.
>>72411186
i knew germans didnt learn history in school but I didnt know you were this cucked by your own country.
millenial chinese from beijing and shanghai dont even know there are dialects of chinese not mutually intelligible with simplified mandarin and that most of the country doesnt speak simplified mandarin. you are this level of cucked.
>>72411311
because the germans think they are one people. the modern territorial borders of germany has never been one people. you count east germans as not being eastern europeans while talking about eastern european immigrants when germany already encompass a large section of eastern europe.
modern germany is a french invention.
>>72411008
There are vigilante groups all over the continent already marching the streets with sticks and bats and everything they can get their hand on. People have turned away from the political theater over state level and are putting fire under the arses of their mayors, town councils and school directors. They are organizing neighborhood patrols and carpools to get their children to school. The quicker parents already have organized lists for their school directors to put their children together in classes.
Germany is very rural. There are towns and villages all along the streets between the larger cities and the migrants are drawn to the latter because this where their folks are gathering. If you are living in big city you're probably not the kind of guy looking for a nice neighborly community.
All of my senior co-workers are living in local towns.
Europeans are acutely aware nowadays of the tough gun controls put on them and it helps to keep them skeptic about their governments. The guns don't mean a thing when you don't have the will. Just take a look at the crackdown of the American authorities on the occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. Where were the patriots joining the militia? Where was the outrage after the FBI shot down one of the protesters? They were painted as terrorists and the public cheered for government action against them.
>>72401501
>There is no direct obligation for the German state to pay social security benefit to other citizens.
Germany invited them in, and so Germany should be forced to foot the entire bill for every migrant on the entire continent, no matter what country they are in.
Giving foreigners money for coming into your country illegally is such an ahistorical fuck up of nigh-retarded proportions, one can only come to the conclusions that:
>Merkel's insane
Or
>It's being done on purpose
Being that Merkel at least seems lucid and aware, the latter must take preference.
Then, the question that remains:
WHY?
>>72411580
So this was just bait. No one ever said anything about dialects. Ignoring this for a second, you do realize that certain parts of Germany used to be part of Bohemia and Silesia right? Ever heard of Assimilation?
What the fuck is your point, there are no language differences in current Germany, only noticeable differences in dialect but that doesn't make South Germans for example any less German than North Germans.
By your logic, no nation on this whole planet is one because they all have different dialects.
>>72412037
I think you understood the law wrong. Germany is cutting EU citizens off from German welfare (unless they fulfill special conditions like having contributed to the system for 5 years).
What you are talking about are the Muzzies and Dindus, who are a totally different topic.
>>72411941
You won't get far with that assertion on here since /pol/ adores Prussia and it's "German" Reich.
There is no need to enlighten us about our cultural differences though. That's something even tourists recognize pretty quick.
>>72412130
property development.
as someone from a western country with the highest immigration per capita rate in the world, it's about filling houses so that new ones can be built. this somehow means wealth is being created and GDP goes up.
>>72412307
But that's not how it works...
>>72412130
This isn't about the illegals. It's about the gypsies.
>>72412377
Gypsies, Arabs -- same thing? Except one is more rapey, violent, and likes to mass murder.
>>72412372
but if I own a large property portfolio and modify the occupancy rate, this raises property prices. when there are too many vacant homes, the rental prices are low because landlords must compete for tennants. when there are few vacant homes tennants must compete with other tennants for properties, raising rental prices. the rental price affects the revenue generated from the lease of the asset. this raises the property value. suddenly my portfolio has doubled in value.
every politician is in the property game in my country. they all want their portfolios to increase in value. some even own construction firms. your politicians do the same. its why they hate the idea of affordable housing.
>>72412436
>same thing?
Yeah, but one can legally enter Germany thanks to the EU laws while the other does not.
So the solutions for these two cases will also look differently. This is the one for the gypsy problem, and while I would have preferred one for the Arab problem first it is at least some improvement.
>>72412372
Sure it does, real estate agents probably love this shit.
>>72407812
THAT AIN'T WORKING
>>72410660
>>72412372
Kind of does. The people who are holding large property like empty storehouses are already upset that the swarm of muzzies lessened because now they can't rent it out to the state for tax shekels.
Government also used it as an excuse to use tax money to build lots of new property for all the sand dindus.
One of the reasons they allowed this to happen was pretty much corruption. In Germany we don't have open corruption, no one can go and just take a handful of cash from the shekels coffer - so instead they need to come up with lame excuses why they totally need to hire that company (the fact that it is owned by their cousin is obviously just a coincidence!) and pay them 5 times of what the project would actually need.
Construction projects are particularly popular for that, since they take a while so you can just keep upping the price every few months and say
>whoops, looks like the original estimate was too low :^)
Awesome read, germanbro. This thread deserves capping.
>>72401501
So finally Germany admits the British where right on something.
>>72413421
Everyone with half a brain knew that you were right. The problem is that those aren't the people in power, the globalists are. And they oppose it for obvious reasons.
They wouldn't have suggested this right now either if they saw even the slightest chance of continuing on the current path. They are simply forced by reality, because no matter how hard they want to keep it like it currently is, if they do their system will collapse.
Comparable to Sweden deciding to partly protect its borders a few months ago. They didn't want to do it either and thought it was wrong, but it was simply impossible for them to make any other choice.
Probably refugees need more money
>>72412372
You ever wonder why all those churches and their foundations are so keen on letting in all those migrants? They are the biggest benefactors of the immigration waves. Caritas, DRK and Diakonie are all getting new areas of employment from the arriving masses and the church gets to rent their property to the state - either directly or through subsidization.
The problem with the economic view is that is build nowadays on GDP and therefore solely on growth. But not real growth. Just what is spent, no matter how useful. Right now you are getting huge new building projects to create whole towns for the "new Germans". The problem for the government is always that it can't keep its shenanigans going when nobody joins in on the spending frenzy. The problem is that Germans especially are fiscally conservative and for the last decades they only got bad news. Companies move further East, the Euro crumbles and they are called to pick up the tab.
So the problem is that amidst all this trouble the citizen takes his money and puts it in the bank instead of spending it. This is where you get retarded ideas like negative interest rates. You don't want to buy a new car now for example because the future looks uncertain and you don't think it's a good idea to take out loan for a car. Instead you invest your money to increase it, which means no new car now but a return on your investment of 2000 € for example after some time.
But what if you got negative interest rates on loans? That means you get the loan AND money for taking out a loan. So you get to buy the new car now and the 2000 € on top of it too. This is what the EU and Switzerland have been doing with their central banks to force banks to lend more money. Sounds insane, doesn't it?
>what the government wants
tax payer ====> tax ====> economy
>what the tax payer wants
tax payer ====> tax ====> social security/pension/savings
>how the government does it
tax payer ====> tax ====> "refugee" handouts ====> economy
>cutting befits for middle eastern immigrants makes you literally Hitler
>totally ok to cut it for other Europeans whom we are in a union with though
i want to kill myself
>>72414450
The Eastern Europeans have claimed discrimination when the British wanted to do it.
LOOK AT THEM YOYOS
THATS THE WAY YOU DO IT
YOU PLAY THE GUITAR ON THE MTV
>>72414595
NOW THAT AIN'T WORKING
THAT'S THE WAY YOU DO IT
MONEY FOR NOTHING AND CHICKS FOR FREE
>>72404809
Yeah but when Britain tried to stop this because of all the fucking gypsies Germany blocked us and said that it was only fair we stop welfare for British people too (of course refugees are protected though)
I cannot fucking wait for Germany to burn, I'm not being edgy. You people are the cancer at the heart of everything good and Britain might not vote out but whatever happens it will solidify anti European sentiment here.
Throughout history Britain has been on the winning side with the sole exceptions of the suez crisis and the American Revolution, Germany and the Germans have been on the losing side just as much, this time you have destroyed your country I a way that van never be repaired and you can blame the Jews but it's not the Jews lining up in the streets welcoming the infestation.
>>72414304
>That means you get the loan AND money for taking out a loan
I think you misunderstood the negative interest rates - no one is going to give you a loan and then pay you on top of it.
What they will do instead is make you pay for storing your money in the banks (by using negative interest rates rather than paying interest to you) and thus force you to spend it.
Which will backfire imo. The German just wont play along, they'll rather just shove their cash under the mattress.
>>72413421
If Margaret Thatcher would have denied the German reunification and the EU, than maybe. But instead she listened to Francois Mitterrand whisper in her ear how they could keep control on Germany through the EU. Now all three of us are fucked.
So my suggestion for the future is: LET'S FINALLY STOP FUCKING WITH EACH OTHER!
>>72415058
>I a way that van never be repaired
There are less than 6 million Muslims in Germany.
>>72415185
>what are birthrates
>what is familiennachzug of the current new 1 million
Check back with me in 20 years, Hans.
>>72415257
He said that the problem cannot be fixed anymore. Which is wrong.
It might become unfixable if we continue going on like this for another 20 years, but right now we can still solve it without too many problems, all we'd need is the political will to actually do it.
So they've run out of other peoples money at last.
>>72415058
>>72415058
>Throughout history Britain has been on the winning side
Yeah me lad, losing your empire, your economy, your status, your men and your anal virginity to America really makes you look like the winners. All that to combat rising German influence and economic power in Europe and while you ended up as America's glorified aircraft carrier in Europe, we ended up as the dominating nation in Europe. Now we're all fucked because the fuckers you lost to love fucking both of us over. Fucking fantastic, gold medals and sheit for you m8.
>>72415414
RARE
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no they want more niggers and less european immigrants. refugees get more gibmedats which acts as a cash injection into the economy. it's literally embezzlement.
>government pays for gibmedats
>politicians provide services in exchange for gibmedats
>all the gibmedats funnel back into politicians pockets from the public coffer
european immigrants arnt as profitable in the short term as Eritreans.
>>72415588
>croatia
>rare
You got half the country shitposting here.
>>72415480
>Yeah me lad, losing your empire, your economy, your status, your men and your anal virginity to America really makes you look like the winners.
(Pic related)
You're leaders are literally killing you off and your people are clapping as they do it. Don't pretend anything Germany has done in the last decade has been not the most cucked thing this continent has ever seen
Crashing this union
With no money
>>72415637
Our foreign minister and vice chancellor literally declared in the 1980s that Germany has no national interest of its own but only the interest of Europe.
We have been taught that shit since 1945 and you certainly didn't mind that. Now it's coming back to bite us all in the ass.
>>72415637
No fuck off, your problem with subhumans is just as relevant. You're not any better. Stop being a fucktard, we're all on the losing side here.
So instead of fucking around you could come up with a plan to dismantle the clappers, instead of getting pissed about shit we do so that we can all be independent again and either bash each other's brains in or work with another.
>>72415067
You are correct. I fucked that example completely up too. I wanted to show the absurdity of what is going to happen effectively when the banks are forced to lend money. I gotta work that one over.
>>72415628
all on the one computer in the country?
>>72415854
>>72415892
We need to bail to Hungary lads, the West is dead, let's be honest here unless there is a violent civil war it's been lost
This shit sounds scary. Wonder if €uro will completely tank at one point. If it were to happen what would be safest bet?
physical gold/silver?
US Dollaridoos?
Yuans?
Bottle caps?
One of the best threads i've read through in a while.
thank you /pol/
>>72412687
THAT'S THE WAY YA DO IT. MONEY FOR NOTHING AND YOUR CHICKS FOR FREE
>>72415637
Sweden is still part of this continent.
We are getting close though, I will agree with that.
I DEMAND A NEW /pol/ TUNE WITH ORIGINAL LYRICS ABOUT THE SUBJECTS IN THIS THREAD SUNG TO THE TUNE OF MONEY FOR NOTHING. GET ON IT, LITTLE FAGGOTS.
>>72401501
Im calling it Germany cuts the welfare and the """""refugees"""" stop coming and the ones already there are offered jobs but leave anyway.
>>72416247
Personally I hope that the UK survives because that is where my money is.
They sit on an island and have a different currency so maybe I get lucky.
>>72415480
And yet, my grandfather killed your grandfather and my great grandfather killed your great grandfather. When my mothers father was in Berlin (destroyed with the help of my fathers father) in 1945 he could get a tailored suit for a loaf of bread and one of your women turned whores for a stale crust and rather than learning your lesson you autistic retards have went and destroyed yourself again and in five years you'll have twenty million Muslims, good going mehmet, you sure showed us.
>>72416036
how are you enjoying that internet bro
I bet you get faster internet in rural Croatia than you get anywhere in Australia.
>>72401656
Good post 10/10. Good luck German bro
>>72416632
We're not in the eurozone brother, your money is safe
>>72416679
>live in rural area
>nbn
>100/40 mbps
how is the 1/5 HIV infection rate going in estonia?
does it make you mad that foreigners come to cuck your women so often with your crazy sex tourism industry?
>>72416063
What the fuck, mate? Whatever happened to defending your island and fighting on the beaches? We got to the recognize our enemy in form of the treacherous state and we got to battle their propaganda.
The Spanish spent 400 years on their Reconquista. I would of course suggest that we don't take quite that long but we can only achieve this goal by taking away the power from those above us responsible for this crime. Withdraw your consent from the public and the government and employ civil disobedience where possible. Don't aim as high as Brussels or London, aim for your town.
The key to the American victory was secession and we shall apply it where we can. Secession begins with the union of the family. Get your family together in line and from there on reach out for your community.
Attack the smallest and lowest form of state representation. Angela Merkel is hiding behind the walls she is denying her people, but the lower you aim on the ladder the easier and more accessible the targets get. Aim for your mayor and the members of the city council. You can put pressure on those directly.
You don't burn a house down by starting a fire in the attic. You start the fire in the basement so the flames can reach up.
>>72415892
If you think Britain has as much a problem with immigrants as Germany then you are deluded, Britain took five thousand Syrians, Germany took more than a million. The monkeys sit in Calais and we leave them there, when they sit in Greece and Hungary you demand they be released. Your side is always the losing side and we don't want any part of it.
>>72416813
>100/40 mbps
>fast
>>72404809
>Jesus christ, Germany pays unemployment benefits for other nations?
It's the right for free selection of where you want to live, called Freizügigkeit in German.
They are keeping the Freizügigkeit, but now bind the benefits to having lived in Germany for five years and having paid into the social security system by paying taxes.
>>72401501
>>72401525
>>72401656
B-BUT SOCIAL WELFARE IS GRANTED FOR EVERYONE AND GREAT! B-BUT SOCIALISM IS INEVITABLE! B-BUT MUH MUSLIM AND REFUGEE ACCEPTANCE!
Is anyone else excited? I know I am. Because this is good news.
Bad news for me would be, "...the system turned out to be completely sustainable and they lived happily everafter until each individual nation merged into an euroarab blob".
So when I hear, "everything is going tits up", I say, good! Because if I actually live through it, it means there's actual hope for Germany and the damn continent and, well, our species altogether!
>>72401501
Wait wait wait a second. Bare with me since economics and numbers in general are the lowest point of my knowledge.
But, can't the force a quick patch to call it so by imposing rules across EU in the form of taxes? Force those quotas and you can set up an immigrant tax. Add to that a tax for the turkey deal.
Although I understand this decision after you explained it, the only ones who deem benefits without working, at least from Romania, are in the vast majority of cases the gypsies. I know a few person who worked/are working in Germany, but they all work in engineering, translation or medical fields. I'd go ahead to say that the same would be viable for Bulgaria too?
Since it isnt public knowledge, why couldn't they use this time to impose taxes over a whole continent in order to get themselves out of this shit or at least floating. Even more, could another loan from the big ol' J's be possible?
>>72416063
Fuck off, save your country.
>>72401501
>blocking welfare for EU citizens
>giving welfare to non-EU citizens
>bending over backwards to please rapefuges
You people are insane
>>72401501
ahmed you dont have good reading comprehension skills so allow me to elaborate on what the article says
not so long ago germany caved like a faggot because the Uk was saying it was going to able and they would let the people vote to stay or go this summer
1 condition the Uk demanded and got was a EU wide cut to all welfare claims for muslim immigrants and african illegals into the EU
many had claimed dependents that were not even in the country and may not exist to get more money. its not racism they dont have to give them shit and what they did was illegal
nothing is being taken from germans. it simply cannot be given to the refugees or it invalidates the agreement that germany agreed to
>>72401525
>The biggest drain before the invitation of the "new Germans" has been the EU expansion which opened the labor market for Romanians and Bulgarians in January 2014 since this allowed them to claim unemployment benefits. The number of recipients for those benefits have gone up around 20 percent a month later and this new law would force them back into the welfare system of their origin.
there was a recent German court decision (involving a roma ofc) that confirmed that (per EU) only jobseekers are entitled to unemployment welfare, not EU citizens in general. the regulation has always been that EU citizens are entitled to claim unemployment of the sending state in Germany until 6 months. if they remain unemployed at 6 months they are required to go back to whence they came. whether deportation is enforced in Germany idk. or whether unemployment offices in Germany are making poor decisions on the habitual residency test and awarding welfare when the regulations don't require it idk.
>>72404962
They are already here
>another economic collapse coming
>rise of the right-wing
>extreme left and right gangs duking it out
>rising unemployement
>political instability
>>72404809
>there is a reason why we call them Cuckmany.
I want my MTV
>>72410776
>the west wants rapefugees, the east hates them and wants more gommunism.
What?
No.
NRW and Bremen want rapefugees. The South doesn't want them.
The East is tired of this shit.
Niedersachsen is ambivalent - The people there are generally too friendly for their own good, but they aren't as retarded as NRW.
>>72411186
Have you ever tried to talk to a Bavarian?
Dutch people are more comprehensible to a Northern German than Bavarians.
>>72417910
I have
I had a hard time, they don't seem to use as many vocals
>>72415067
>The German just wont play along, they'll rather just shove their cash under the mattress.
The sad thing is that this will increase the amount of burglaries even more.
At least we will have people opposed to cash-free society, in contrast to the Duch and Swedish cucks who are abolishing proper money and letting their money be controlled by banks.
Always remember what happened in Cyprus and Greece with bank money.
>>72401501
>>72417339
The "we are not allowed to fix this one problem because another still exists!" is one of the reasons we even ended up with this shit.
This is a first step which they could easily take because it aims at the gypsies & co, people who are hated even by the globalists. No one will stand up for them and oppose it.
It doesn't fix their problems though, the first being that they are simply running out of money and the second that they are losing support. Those few millions they save by doing it will soon be used up again and they will have to announce the next cuts.
>>72417380
>1 condition the Uk demanded and got was a EU wide cut to all welfare claims for muslim immigrants and african illegals into the EU
I think the one whose reading skills are lacking is you because this is about EU citizens claiming welfare in other EU countries, not about Mtumbu and Abdul.
I've been getting NEETbux in Germany for 4 years now.
>feels good to be a Slav
>>72404946
When I was in high school more than 10 years ago I became very interested in the issue of European migration and the economic effects. I even wrote some shit tier 5 page essays as a young teenager about how turks at that time were adversely effecting crime rates and eating up welfare. When the migrant crisis thing started happening my jaw dropped. It's like ripping the bandaid, I guess. I'd hoped to move to Europe some day for at least a few years but I think it'll catch on fire first.
>>72417227
>But, can't the force a quick patch to call it so by imposing rules across EU in the form of taxes?
You mean the European state should just tax more? The German nations Austria and Germany are already the third and second highest nations when it comes taxing only topped by Belgium. The tax burden is nearly 50 percent, which means the government is already taking half of their money.
>I'd go ahead to say that the same would be viable for Bulgaria too?
I don't know. But you are not only eligible for benefits without work but certain other criteria for example not earning a certain amount.
>>72418190
>The sad thing is that this will increase the amount of burglaries even more.
Which in turn will decrease the populations trust in the state's ability to uphold the public order and protect them, which will lead to increased vigilantism.
We are pretty much heading for civil war and even a moron could see it, yet there are good chances we will still walk that road to the end because our wannabe-intellectual leaders needlessly over-complicate every problem to the point where a solution becomes seemingly impossible.
>>72404809
>Holy shit, it is going to be happening really soon.
There is not a chance that this will happen.
Zero chance. It will not be allowed under any circumstances.
>>72418575
>yet there are good chances we will still walk that road to the end because our wannabe-intellectual leaders needlessly over-complicate every problem to the point where a solution becomes seemingly impossible.
It's just the modern times.
That's how we are indoctrinated in school.
Going through the German school system is a really fucking good redpill. When you are told your entire life that everything you do is not worth more than anyone else's work, because everyone gets their gold star and getting good marks is a matter of being liked by the teachers, you stop caring.
Sports has been rationalized so much that children are getting fat and lazy. I at least had three lessons a week, but modern children only have two.
I went through my Abitur after five years of depressions and memory loss. I was completely fucking confused as to why was everyone whining about the supposedly hard Abitur.
It's not hard, it just has REALLY fucking atrocious wording of the tasks, because the entire thing is done by a secret central cabal of pedagogs who know nothing about actually making a proper test.
And then there was the entire "beat up the Turkish kid and get in trouble even though you were always a teacher favorite and the Turkish kid was constantly pulling shit but never getting into trouble" shit as well as the rampant discrimination against boys.
Remember girl's day? Fuck, that was so sexist that it's ridiculous. At least they realized this fact and changed it to an equal-opportunity thing.
Funnily, Future day has less participants than Girl's day, even though twice as many kids are elegible for it...
>>72417383
I didn't know about that, but it really doesn't seem to bother anyone since the ECJ themselves already had cases where they ruled that the decision was up to the states themselves.
This is the crazy absurdity about the German decision on whom to pay welfare and why I think this change of politics is such a significant change of course. Because usually Germany is busy signing every EU regulation into a law and now they are actually using this option to save money. Of course I don't think they are doing it because they realized how stupid it was and wanted to stop wasting our taxes, but rater because they need the money to keep their civil cervants payed and of course for the "new Germans".
>>72418844
>Remember girl's day?
Luckily that was after my time.
Actually, I am grateful to my history teacher in school. I don't remember which class it was anymore, 3rd or 4th, but the guy told us that they turned Jews into lampshades and soap in the KZs. That was what made me question how much of what they are telling you in school is actually true and what is just stupid lies to push an agenda (not just with regards to the third reich).
If I hadn't been confronted with such an obvious lie early on I might have never realized what a shitshow German education is.
>>72401501
>block EU immigrants from receiving welfare in Germany.
wait what. what the fucking fuck is this? You cunts just finished telling us that doing exactly this is illegal. Fuck this noise. War with Germany when? Really, can you just kill these kraut pieces of shit already?
![1427063371821[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/k2ZPBzD.jpg "1427063371821[1].jpg")
Mercel promises "gid me dats"
no money left in bank
print more/borrow more=devalue currency
Saudi supplying free mosques
SHARIA LAW IS GERMAN LAW....
suicide by sjw.......sad
>>72419112
I had a history teacher who used to be a politician, then dropped out when the mayor tried to bribe him.
He focused on the fact that history is never true. We read a DDR history book in class and dismantled it. I pointed out multiple times how certain parts of the book actually strongly implied that the DDR was much more critical of itself than Western propaganda made it appear to be, but focused on other things than the West does (e.g. a known protest here was a minor note there, but another protest that no one in the West has ever heard about is mentioned at length) and he reinforced me in my skepticism.
The guy was fucking awesome.
Most of the class didn't understand his points. I cannot comprehend why, but they were apparently incapable of looking behind the words.
He would occasionally spice up the classes by impersonating Stalin, Hitler or Stasi functionaries.
>>72414304
Are negative interest rates already a thing?
it was an ECJ decision
http://www.thejournal.ie/european-court-rejects-welfare-tourism-1775343-Nov2014/
there is actually nothing fresh tbqh. the regulations were always that freedom of movement relates to "job seekers". such people must have funds to support themselves, can only claim welfare of sending country, must return if unable to find work after 6 months, were not entitled to host country welfare unless active seeking work. while the decision was forced by a welfare seeker the German govt. appreciates the clarity because it can now take the opportunity to look tough on welfare tourists.
anon from bongistan who said that EC and German govt. kicked up a fuss when they wanted to restrict welfare tourism is also correct. same when there was talk in bongistan about exercising control per economy in distress clause. so bongistanis got totally fucked by not imposing transitional controls on A8 accession countries Germany did
>>72419495
For banks.
But the banks are scared of pushing them down onto the customers.
I hope we get a bank run if it happens.
>>72411580
Dialects are their own language? thats new to me.
But they arent blocking welfare for 'refugees' from the middle east. Daily reminder that the 1 million shitskins that came last year and the 500.000 that are expected to come this year will be allowed to bring their entire families (4-8 people on average) into Germany on top of that.
The german oligarchs and plutocrats want to destroy a welfare system that has been around for 150+ years and they want to completely enslave the working population, china style.
>>72419495
Nope.
They are also aware that they would trigger a massive bankrun with it and kill the system. People would also just store their money at home rather than spending it like they want them to.
As long as we still have paper money you don't need to worry about it too much, but if they ever manage to abolish it and change the system to cards only they will implement negative interest rates on the very next day.
>>72416813
100/40 is fast. kek thats really sad ausbro.
>>72419567
I can see that coming honestly. Will keep my money at home then, or invest it in something.
>>72419615
Well, if it happens: Do we have enough paper money for a bank run? I doubt that to be honest.
>>72419681
>>72419644
>>72419615
>>72419589
If you germans don't give welfare to romanians or bulgarians, they gonna come to canada with EU passports and become niggers over here. holy sheet.
the chings and chongs of canada are like the best immigrants, and sometimes poo in the loos if they work hard in learning their STEM. But those slavs, they don't belong in canada.
>>72419849
>Do we have enough paper money for a bank run?
Isn't the point of a bank run that the banks have no more physical money?
>>72419849
The term "bank run" already implies that people will try to withdraw more money than the banks have actually available.
>>72419887
Don't you have an actual immigration system that requires qualifications and so on? The only reason we had a problem with them was because of Schengen, they could just drive over with their car without having to pass any controls.
>>72401501
>There is no direct obligation for the German state to pay social security benefit to other citizens.
That's not what Germany was saying when Britain complained about the cost of social security for EU citizens.
>>72419559
Yes, I know that but here is the problem. Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU in 2007 and the labor market was opened to them in January 2014 with a rise of welfare recipients in Germany by 20 percent in February already consisting of about 50.000 - 60.000 Bulgarians and Romanians.
You don't get those welfare payments exclusively if you are without a job, but if your wage or whatever isn't meeting certain standards. I don't know how other states handle this but this an German problem because they decide to grant those benefits to any immigrant. The reasoning is of course that it would be discrimination to not grant a foreigner the same benefits as your own citizens.
>>72419932
>>72420088
Oh, okay.
>>72420152
That's because German politicians are retarded and 99% of the time you should just do the opposite of whatever they said.
>>72420152
Why would you complain about another piece of wood on the fire of Brexit?
>>72420088
With the EU visa, we can't discriminate against nigger-tier europeans or, apparently, all you guys will retaliate against canada. We were warned by EU (germany et al) that if we do not lift visa requirements for Bulgarians and Romanians (two nationalities who abuse our visa system), you will require visas for canadians visting france, germany and the uk, or worse, block the trade deal between EU and canada.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/eu-visa-romania-bulgaria-trade-ceta-1.3526513
I am not making this shit up
here is our offical position:
>Canada's visa policy is not based on reciprocity. Rather, Canada must be satisfied that countries meet its criteria for a visa exemption
and romanians want to derail a deal because they are required visas to enter canada.
>>72420088
>>72420166
>>72420167
>>72420249
Hans, what is so degenerative about romanians and bulgarians that they are willing to throw out a trade deal which affects the WHOLE of EU because canada won't give them visas? Like, why are these fuckers so parasitic.
>>72418434
I remember the times we used to worry about the Turkish problem. Thank God those days are over and we are now being overrun by the third world. This has been the most effective wake up call since this creeping alienation has been constantly denied and people like Thilo Sarrazin were publicly crucified for mentioning it and even Jewish Zionists like Henryk M. Broder were barred from public discussion at times.
Those times are over. Multiculturalism has shown its ugly face and the German self-denial employed by the political establishment is about to be dispelled. Every day the political elite doesn't change their course the public awareness will spread. The signs of disintegration are becoming clearer to ever more.
>>72420446
Honestly, don't accept it. Getting visa free entry to Germany, France and the UK isn't worth having to deal with the gypsies.
And the trade won't suffer because our countries are in no position to cripple their own economies even further, the restrictions we put on Russia are already straining it.
>>72420593
Because they want to desperately get rid of their useless leeches. If you saw the chance to basically expel any useless shitter in your country you would try to do it, too.
>>72420446
Funny stuff. I never heard about it.
>>72401656
I always figured the match that would light the fire in Europe would be their inevitable economic collapse from letting these refugees pour in. When the benefits dry up we'll finally get to see some serious solutions take place.
>>72411580
wtf my town is on this map wtf!!!
>>72420738
Yeah its lovely. A storm of gigantic magnitude is brewing and im loving it. And im also in cologne one of the hotspots for shitskin shennanigans but which is also one of the west hightowers of patriotic hooligans and oldschool gangster types. Even the turkish mafia and pushers are starting to gear up on cars/weapons and shit . They are not recruiting the fugees like the berlin arab clans they are openly fighting them and starting shit.
>>72420738
What I don't get about european mulitculturalism is how it failed so badly.
In america, integration is a problem because you have niggers inherited from slavery and you have this massive unsecure border with the third world. US also doesn't have national photo/biometric ids, which is seen as the federal government being unruly or some shit.
Doesn't the EU only allow skilled immigrants in? There is a joke in canada how the taxi driver is an engineer back in his home country. To immigrate, you can't be uneducated or poor, and that immigrant ghettos (so called first settlement communities), immigrants do not stay there. They leave and integrate. Granted, EU couldn't do shit about millions of muslims and africans arriving via boat, but don't you guys have biometric ids and can deny them welfare if they are there illegally?
>>72401501
>Welfare to rapefugees
Good!
>Welfare to paying/working EU citizens
Bad!
And the Eternal German continues his tireless effort to destroy Europe once again.
>>72421073
>They are not recruiting the fugees like the berlin arab clans they are openly fighting them and starting shit.
kek, turkish mafia hates the refugees?
>>72421106
Fun fact, even Merkel said back in 2011 that multiculturalism failed.
>>72421184
Yeah. they do, with a vengeance especially afghans/pakis/niggers. Or the gypsys, gypsy mobs tried to take over the drug trade in the district i live in a few weeks back. there were streets fights and people being run over with cars. now the gypsy are back to their usual districts.
>>72420808
it's a big deal here in canada because for years we had bogus refugees from bulgaria, romania, and hungary, and the czech republic like come here and pretend to be refugees. The courts dealt with them quickly, ruling that they aren't refugees and they got deported.
>>72421184
I think the shadow of nazi germany really cucked you guys. Your immigration policy should be more like canada's: you put your name in a lottery like system, you do a language test, you show your educational credentials from approved schools and you get a score. the top 10% per quarter gets an invite to immigrate.
What about non-EU migrants, do they get full bennies?
>>72421414
The AfD actually wants to adopt a immigration policy like yours.
>>72421597
seems like it. its a hand made crash of the system.
scary.
>>72401501
>>So yesterday we discussed the news about the German Federal Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs preparing to introduce a law that would let Germany block EU immigrants from receiving welfare in Germany.
> Germany block EU immigrants from receiving welfare in Germany.
> from receiving welfare in Germany.
> in Germany.
The germancucks want the niggers outside of their country but not ouside of Europe.
With this law the niggers will only move toward another country.
>>72421623
You guys totally should. Being a rich nation, you need to attract the best.
We have a lot of asians in canada, they are invited to stay after they complete their 4 year undergraduate programs, which costs around (25K CAD per year back then, one asian student funded a university for 3 canadians back then). They contributed to our society greatly.
That lottery stuff, the points of an in demand Phd graduate is like 600. You only get 100 points for english or french proficiency (but not more for both). Our immigration policy is geared towards realizing canada is fucked without people and the need for skills, and I know germans know you need people, you guys are so cucked that you do not realize you have a right and a responsibility to choose only the best.
>>72421937
sucks to be you then.
>>72401501
>would let Germany block EU immigrants from receiving welfare in Germany.
If that's true then I'd read your post carefully. I'm too busy cooking - mushroom soup, roast pork with potatoes, gravy, and green beans. My mum is coming to visit and I always make her a proper meal. The soup is for my daughter as she vegetarian.
Get Merkel out. Europe has had enough of your country's shit. Your country has fucked Europe over so many times. Fucking wrecking the Roman Empire was the beginning. Invading Poland was not a good move. Poland and Portugal are UK's best mates. Do not try any of your shit on those countries.
We have always had the strongest military in Europe. The French are close. But Germany is a cunt.
Not you, personally. I'm sure you're a decent chap, but your country is a complete fuck.
Why do you think UK wants out of the EU? Most Bonglaners prefer to ally with the Anglo countries.
>>72421946
Well we should but we don't because that would mean we are nazis :^)
I hope the AfD will be able to change that. We have so much human trash coming to our country, and our politicians actually like it (mainly because that means they will get reelected by those people). I still wait for the free german citizenship for all those refugees currently in our country. I have a feeling that this will happen before the Bundestagswahlen in 2017.
>>72421937
You europeans made the same mistake we made in north america with mexico. The eastern countries extracted so much EU payments to bolster their development. France, Germany, Spain, you cucks paid for bulgarian roads, romanian sewage, polish bus stops because somehow, you think that by allowing unequals in, and giving them free reign wont mean a mass internal migration of those shit-tiers to germany/france/uk if they have nice roads and bus stops over there.
You want access to cheap labour markets to compete against china, the mistake is thinking that it is a good idea to bring those markets into your social welfare state. That's the mistake america has learned and gotta fix with the mexicans.
In canada our farms use cheap foreign labour and we have a aging population. So the canadian government gives these sectors a special type of work visa where you can pay the people much less (farms pay latinos 7.00 CAD per hour vs 11.50) but these people leave after the season is over.
You guys realized there is a common sense solution out there that doesn't involve opening the flood gates?
>>72422271
dont ask us, ask merkel and her entourage. this shit has never made sense to us.
>>72422077
>mainly because that means they will get reelected by those people
pol is too delusional about cultural marxism to see the democratic party as it is. they love illegal mexicans, and whatever special interest group because it means they will get re-elected by those people. the black americans and the dems have a dirty gimmiedat pact. it reminds me too much of how politics is played in brasil where votes are bought by giving favelas favours.
>>72422329
you germans in canadian eyes are supposed to be these super rational and technocratic people, where you aren't ruled by emotions but logic, science and reasoning and the government is ruled by technocrats that make policy decisions based on evidence and national benefit, with the exception of anything to do with violence, war and race.
do you guys still ban games with red blood in it?
>>72422480
uuuh good question, been a while since i played a game on the german version.
We are still super rational and all the shennanabang but the after war guilt indoctrination was strong on the key factors to this "crisis" .
Its scary how well it is all crafted. Problem is the big metropoles have the loud mouthed lefties who are backed by the gov.
all the small cities and towns hate everything.this barrel is soon gonna blow and only god knows whats in stock for us then.
Pray for us canadabro.
As someone living in germany for almost 4 years, things look bleak for me if I were to lose my job, since this also includes unemployment pay. I was planning to do a Deutch learning course, but now I dunno. Any suggestions ?
>>72422640
go to austria. only if you are a well educated white tho.
If you want to learn a language for the future : spanish, russian or mandarin.
I am a newfag in adulthood, what should I do with my money in that case? Exchange for another currency or just withdraw from the bank?
>>72421106
There was never a plan for multiculturalism since the German government was opposed to letting in the Turkish guest-workers because they were from a completely different culture but eventually had to bow down to the American pressure. When they started to come into Germany the Christian conservative party in power wanted them to assimilate completely while the leftist labor party in the opposition wanted the exact opposite. They should not try to integrate and leave the country as soon as their work is done. But when that time came they had no incentive to leave back into the cave the crawled out off although the government started to pay premiums and bonuses in cash for anyone that did wanted to go back. Instead they got their families to Germany.
At that time the other economies in Europe had recovered enough so that the Spaniards and Italians would leave Germany on their own. Those that didn't already integrated perfectly and in nearly every town you got an Italian restaurant. The Italians may not love the Germans, but they respect them while the Germans don't respect the Italians, but they do love them. Meanwhile the growing number of Turks was such a big problem that at the very first economic crises the labor party which was in power then tried to forbid more of their immigration. Those were the times when lefties actually tried to do something for their voting base. Now they have completely sold out.
So you get masses of immigrants, they all start to gather in cities and at some point it is so many of them there is no need to assimilate. The third generation Turks are less productive than the first and half of them does not achieve the necessary educational level to prosper from their parent's economic level to the next. They're culture is diametrically opposed to the European. The mothers or hitting their sons regularly but don't impose any constraints or values on them.
>>72422902
withdraw, invest in shit you can refund at pawns. buy houses/flats somewhere else.
If you are new to adulthood you dont even own a lot of money. so its a non factor.
Just withdraw your 1k euros and stash them in your walls.
>>72401501
That ain't working...
>>72422617
You guys need to overcome your past. It isn't a conspiracy against Germany. It's your inability to confront the past in a way that is neither rejection of everything about that past, treating it all as bad, nor a full embrace. A resurgent germany is what the world needs. Take deserving Syrians (we took 30K, but only women and children under 16, no men cause of isis), but do not take iraqis, afghanis, or people who have countries that aren't in war.
Like, in canada our 'dark' past is the shit with the indians. They always cry and shit, and ask for gimmiedats. Every canadian can acknowledge, yah, we sort of gyp them out of their land, but a lot of us (even in the cities) have no tolerance for their bs. It isn't black and white. Just because we sort of did a wrong to them, it doesn't mean they are owed the keys to the kingdom.
>>72414732
WE GOT 2 MOVE THESE MICROWAVE OVENS
CUSTOM FICKI DELIVERY
>>72416675
Man that's below the belt.
>>72423267
>but do not take iraqis, afghanis, or people who have countries that aren't in war.
Too late, iraqis and afghanis are currently culturally enriching our country :^)
>>72423021
I heard of the turks not even graduating highschool and thus cannot contribute to the economy being a really big problem.
>>72423021
The male offspring is allowed everything while the girl is being kept under strict watch and has to serve all members of the household. School work and education except from Muslim schools and teachers is not valued while public schools are put under huge to get every child to graduate. The more foreigners a class has the worse it performs and the German children are discriminated and bullied at school. As soon as the Turkish have to finish school and get a job the fall completely off the social radar. They break off apprenticeships and because they are not succeeding they are blaming the Germans who they feel must be discriminating against them. Then they get suckered into those Mosques that are always recruiting in those youth hot spots. It's not that they ever read the Koran or follow its teachings. It's mostly a social boundary they are developing and from where they decide that it is their duty to advance the Jihad.
The simple truth is that Islam does not correspond with our values and believes in any way. It can't coexist but the state keeps the Muslims from learning that with its subsidies. It's a system set up to eat itself.
>>72423021
Thanks for the info senpai.
>>72423613
That makes a lot of sense. They aren't integrating because their educational achievement sucks. Here in canada we had a population of people who resisted integration, the Portuguese. They kept to themselves, majority of them dropped out of highschool by 15 (grade 10, 2nd year). But they had parents who worked in the unregulated construction field under subcontractors. This only changed when the government passed a law where if you are 18, you can't legally drop out of school even with parents permission.
>>72423021
>opposed to letting in the Turkish guest-workers ... but eventually had to bow down to the American pressure.
Why'd we do that? A favor to our ally + friend of Israel?
>>72424560
The U.S. just got Turkey into NATO and as a favor they should profit from the German economy that was already picking up.
>>72401501
Stealing our idea!
If we dont get out of the EU we're fucked lads.
Already we have 5m from EU, do you see us moaning, yes you do!
We take so many gypsys in and as a result we cant let in Aussies, Yanks, Canadians, Kiwi's who are skilled
We are about to pass £9 min wage, holy shit, all of Romania will arrive and evey gibsmedat in the hemisphire.
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>>72401501
damn, I love Money For Nothing
>>72425012
DONT COME TO CANADA UNLESS YOU GOT A VISA. IF U FAGGOTS BLOCK OUR TRADE DEAL, IMMA CLIMB THAT STATUE YOU GOT IN YOUR CAPITAL AND PISS FROM IT.
>>72424906
yo britbong, i'm a chink canadian (3rd generation) and I think I am allowed to vote in your elections as a subject of the common wealth?
>>72423536
we dont have high school.
Hauptschule, realschule,gymnasium
most turks go to a hauptschule to begin with, the few who actually learn and are good get to go higher. but most dont even finish the hauptschule and turn to selling weed and stealing phones.
>>72425844
Gymnasium is high school senpai
>>72423536
Not only that, but they are causing new problems along the way. The interracial breeding Nicolai Sarkozy has mentioned may sound like a cuckold fantasy but they are realizing that those parallel societies are visually exclusionary. This problem has been around a long time. The Romans complained that the Germans don't mix with outsiders, the Poles complained about it and now it seems to be the whole political establishment complaining about it. The mixed marriages of the 1970s are a thing of the past. They are now divorced and the Turk has his residence permit while his cousin is sending him his daughters to marry, housing three of them in different flats while all three are receiving benefits. So what happens when they all start marrying their sisters? Retardation.
The government had to fund programs for people to go into those communities and tell them to stop marrying their own family members. They are literally producing unproductive offspring on our costs.
And the healthcare is the biggest scam of all since the German government signed a contract with the Turkish guest-workers in the 1960s that guaranteed healthcare for their whole family. Not only is this is illegal since Germans are not allowed to insure their family members under their healthcare, but the system is highly exploited according to some insurance companies. Unlike the German healthcare card that has to have an ID of the recipient, the ones used in Turkey don't have this. So somewhere in Anatolia a whole village whose inhabitants have never set foot into Germany or worked there is sharing one card while the bill is picked up by the German tax payer. The government has denied every official inquiry as to how big these costs are.
Former member of parliament Sebastian Edathy, who became famous for purchasing little children "art", suggested to not complain about this deal since its cancellation could cause those people to come to Germany.
>>72427294
>that pic
I'd resent my own people too if I'd look like that
>>72429039
She is Jewish.
>>72429223
Oh, silly me
>>72401656
I wonder when it's time to buy silver
Ofcourse "now" but what indicator would make you turn every dime you have in precious metals
>>72429429
It depends on your strategy. Usually you are supposed to start buying this stuff over some time so you can build up a reserve somewhere safe. That way you can use the best prices every month.
But I am far from an expert in this regard. Do you listen to Peter Schiff?
http://www.schiffradio.com
http://wahre-werte-depot.de
http://www.metallwoche.de/startseite
>>72429039
Kahane = Cohen
>>72401501
Good, it's mostly gyppos that use it anyway, and give working people a bad name.
But until you cut off welfare for the rapefugees too, you're eternally cucked.
>>72404946
To be honest, German Bro, this analysis is way too pessimistic and deterministic. There are a number of problems of the Eurozone, the primary one being mission creep. But there wouldn't have been a 'sudden crisis' we are seeing now without Mutter Merkel. This wasn't a demographic shift that slowly built up over time. This was a sudden and self-destuctive maneuver from Merkel with the Syrian Refugee crisis. The "aging population" and present Turks would've create some kind of demographic crisis. But we are now seriously considering the collapse of government itself, something that never would've occurred during that scenario. Also, to assume that the German government secretly has some desire to shed fiscal responsibility is naive. Rather, the Right has ideological programming to unconditionally accept Supply-Side Economics, and the consequence of this means that budgets go to shit (t. Right-winger.) So to somehow pin this on the Left, again, is disingenuous, even though we both know the Left is fiscally irresponsible as well.
Let's not mat this crisis more complicated than it is. Merkel invited a large population of Islamists who are eating away at the budget because they cannot be assimilated. It's that simple. There is no 'higher-order' analysis because this plan wasn't particularly well thought out. Like World War 1.
>>72432994
>But we are now seriously considering the collapse of government itself, something that never would've occurred during that scenario.
The CIA assumed as much in a 2008 study in which it concluded that big parts of North Rhine-Westphalia for example would get uncontrollable by the democratically elected government.
>Also, to assume that the German government secretly has some desire to shed fiscal responsibility is naive.
Every government has. The Bundesbank was something that kept their spending in control and without it they had free reign.
>Also, to assume that the German government secretly has some desire to shed fiscal responsibility is naive.
I didn't pin it solely on the left. The welfare state was simply never something the right has considered to size down. It's commonly agreed on phenomenon from which both profited.
>>72416492
SEE THAT LITTLE FAGGOT WITH THE EARRING AND THE MAKEUP
>>72434253
From what I understood, and my memory may fail me here, the assumption was Green Ghettos that were uncontrollable by anyone. And I would agree here. But the thing is, having Green Ghettos would've paralyzed Berlin, but this crisis brings Berlin down. Effectively, Merkel has created the scenario we once ruled out, and now we are going to get all kinds of crazy shit that nobody see coming. Politics is like evolution. If the environment changes radically, then the politics change overtime until it thrives in the new environment. So politics that made sense in the 16th Century don't make sense in the 19th century. That's why the Spanish Empire ruled in the 16th Century, and the English Empire ruled in the 19th Century. Any kind of paradigm knocks an Empire off and gives birth to set of new strategies. This is what Hegel was talking about, and was commonly understood by everyone before 1945, when Hegel became too terrible to study.
The point is that the Green Ghetto scenario never planned for this, and now we are going to see such radical shifts all because Merkel felt guilty in a conversation with a migrant. Scenarios can include an Austrian-dominant scenario, or a Polish dominant Scenario, or even the Netherlands could find itself dominant. Alternatively, the 'germ lab' of cray cray Europe will produce great thinkers who would create new and powerful systems unheard of.
A slow death =/= A sudden death.
Yet when Cameron goes to the EU Merkel and others block him from withholding benefits to immigrants. Go fuck yourselves Germany, you took in a million Muslims, now you can pay for it, and don't send them over here.
>>72411171
trips^^^^^^^^^^^
but I.D. sais **Dubs**
>>72434813
what is the green ghetto you are talking about
>>72434813
>Green Ghettos
I don't know what that is.
The CIA study from 2008 concluded that around the 2020 many European conurbations would fall victim to civil conflicts. The cause would be a growing Muslim population, migratory movement patterns and the resistance to integrate themselves. What is to happen are heavy youth riots because the social benefits will not be enough to satisfy them anymore and all over Europe ungovernable areas will be defended by the Muslim population.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/30/AR2008043003258.html?nav=rss_world
>>72437092
The influx of immigrants to Europe is already a calculated numbers game. The American strategic planner Thomas P.M. Barnett has laid out Washington's globalist plan in two books from 2004 and 2005.
"Europe already has its share of right-wing, anti-immigration politicians exploiting people’s worst impulses, and Japan has such a dismal record of accepting immigrants that the Land of the Rising Sun is heading toward its sunset at warp speed. According to the UN, Europe is likely to let in about 300,000 immigrants per year between now and 2050, when it really needs to let in something in the range of 1.5 million each year if there’s any hope its PSR won’t drop below two to one by mid-century. Japan’s situation is even worse. It is difficult to project any immigrant flows for the country between now and 2050 because there’s nothing in its history that would indicate any willingness to let immigrants in at all, but the UN estimates that Japan will need to average roughly 600,000 immigrants a year over the next half century.
How big of a change would these larger flow numbers be for Europe and Japan? If Europe were to let in 1.5 million immigrants each year, by 2050 a quarter of its population would be foreign-born. That I can imagine happening. As for Japan, as much as one-third of its 2050 population would be foreign-born if they pursued the immigration rate required to stabilize their absolute number of working-age citizens. Simply put, that wouldn’t be Japan anymore; that would be an entirely new country. I personally believe that would be a better Japan, because I think that insular society has so much to offer the world that letting more of that world in will let the Japanese achieve the “normal” nationhood they have sought ever since their brush with the apocalypse in 1945 — such are the tides of history."
Thomas P.M. Barnett - The Pentagon's New Map
