Was it really communist ?
>>72364285
Yep.
>>72364323
Well, you are the only one who answered.
what flag is this? china?
>>72364285
An example of oligarchic power shifting from one set of hands to another.
Nothing more, nothing less.
no
>no class no state no currency
class existed
state existed
currency existed
the ussr was the result of yet another inevitable failure of the implementation of communism since communism is a utopian ideology which cannot and will not ever be realised
>>72365081
USSR moron
>>72365081
>Thai intellectuals
>>72364285
The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property.
- Karl Marx, The Communist Manifesto.
>>72364285
That's what they said so yeah
>hits 10/10 planks of the Communist Manifesto
>not communist
Pinkos are so deluded.
>>72365386
Like a zoo?
>>72364285
No but it demonstrated how communism is a retarded goal and how any nation that attempts it is either a complete failure or is not actually communist
>>72364285
No such thing as communism, is an autist ideology.
Creating a massive state to ensure no one owns anything promising the eventual abolition of the state.
It's retarded.
Stalin was a state capitalist, wich is not good or bad, just another system.
>>72364285
All political ideologies are completely viable in abstract, what matters is their implementation. You shouldn't be asking if it was "real communism" but rather if it were a serious attempt at implementing communism which it certainly was.
>>72364285
Yes.
>>72365262
>since communism is a utopian ideology which cannot and will not ever be realised
Muh star strek post scarcitiy society
No
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Degenerated_workers%27_state
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/1935/02/ws-therm-bon.htm
>>72364285
>>72364285
It's never real communism.
>>72365697
Yeah but they still have states don't they? And some commodities will be rare no matter what. I will admit though, scarcity may be a thing of the past eventually, and I'm not sure capitalism will mean anything at that point.
>>72364285
>Inb4 communism has never been tried bullshit
>no true communism
>>72365983
If you want a postscarcity society you should get rid of 95% of the people.
>>72365985
It hasn't. Communism requires the dictatorship of the proletariat.
>>72366115
But then who will make all my xxl dragon dildos? Robots will never be that advanced
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/more-than-half-of-russians-want-new-soviet-state---poll/566745.html
http://blogs.wsj.com/emergingeurope/2013/05/22/brezhnev-tops-list-of-most-popular-20th-century-moscow-rulers/
http://www.gallup.com/poll/166538/former-soviet-countries-harm-breakup.aspx
>>72366194
Who's this proletariat they keep talking about?
>>72366395
They don't want soviet state, they just want all the russian satelites under their control so they could live without working like they did before.
>>72364285
The left is undecided.
Some, mainly Leninists, say it was a true socialist state (not communist).
Some, mainly Trotskyists, say it lost its way after Stalin took power instead of Trotsky, calling it state capitalism.
Some, mainly anarchists and left communists, were extremely critical from the start, but Kronstadt was when they abandoned all hope. They think it shows the failure of trying statist socialism.
Nobody, absolutely nobody, thinks it was communist, except for some hardline Ameriburgers. That was the end goal.
>>72365739
This is basically what the Trots (who became pro-Israel neocons) say.
>>72364285
yes
>>72365796
Most of those deaths are from famines from communism being poorly implemented by Stalin and Mao.
>>72364285
Of course
1st world commie sympathizers always have to push it into the realm of no true scotsman.
Fact is, Marxist theory is a pipedream, something that is probably impossible to ever obtain as it presumes upon the end of resource scarcity and the success of a stateless society.
Marxists cant actually explain how a stateless society could work, even Anarchists have a more fleshed out ideology than purist Commies.
>>72366560
>This is basically what the Trots (who became pro-Israel neocons) say.
That is not an argument.
>>72366560
>Nobody, absolutely nobody, thinks it was communist, except for some hardline Ameriburgers
lmfao, this just shows how far Marxist ideology as seeped into the education system in Europe, it has done the same in the U.S but to a lesser extent.
It was Communism, its like saying no true Capitalist nation has ever existed, its just semantics.
>>72366560
As always, it's only communism if it makes everything better for everyone forever.
>>72364285
Yes and it was so shit my parents left Poland and never looked back
>>72366679
Trotskyists dominate the Western left, it is relevant, and I'm merely pointing out their ideological development, how anti-Stalinism morphed into fanatical pro-USA views.
>>72366849
I'm not a communist. Just letting you know what actual communists and Marxist theory say. The USSR never once claimed to be communist. Certainly some say communism has existed, but only in small areas like communes. But if it makes stormcucks feel better crying about "cultural Marxism" go ahead.
>>72367082
Again, see above. I'm not a communist or socialist but I find their debates interesting.
Yes, part of marxism is the dictator stage.
