![doublethink[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ItAgGMi.jpg "doublethink[1].jpg")
What are some examples of doublethink in politics today?
>>72361116
>left wing
>right wing
>>72361116
>everyone is equal
>niggers and women are inferior so they need affirmative action
>gender and sexuality are random, fluid, and subjective
>you are born gay
>>72361380
Oh and related
>Only troglodytes don't believe in evolution!
>all races are equal
also
>all religions are to be respected
>except for christianity lol
>>72361116
>Some speech is hate speech
>Fucking cis white males need to die
>>72361210
is there a template to this?
black lives matter
>>72362062
>>72361116
>we need 100% feminism
>its ok if muslims nforce sharia in europe
>freedom of speech!
>dont offend doublekins or jail
>the jews control everything!!
>supports Israel
>>72362188
thank you based leaf
>>72361116
> stopping the flow of illegal immigration across the Mexican border is racist
> when he wins I will apply to live legally in Canada
>>72361116
Literally just being a liberal.
>I support equal rights for women and gays
>I support muslim immigration
>We are fighting to end racial prejudice and discrimination!
>To accomplish this goal, we propose victimhood narratives based on race (racial prejudice) and affirmative action/racial hiring quotas (discrimination).
And calling me a hypocrite is racist.
Here's a good one.
>/pol/ thinks whites are superior
>spends all their time on a chinese message board posting chinese cartoons
>>72361116
>>72361331
This is a good one.
>>72362188
Thanks, saved. Nice digits.
>>72361116
Not being sarky, really impressed that you've heard of Orwell.
I am English American.
>>72361116
The goverment and their braindeads hold the same belief that they can use their social engineering and other retardation without getting sitting in the same hottub. Esp. when they have a family... it becomes a lot more compicated. A lot more variables to consider.
>Caitlyn Jenner is a woman because she says she is
>ISIS aren't Muslims because I don't want them to be
Literally EVERYTHING. The entire narrative is based off of Hollywood and the rest of the entertainment industry in general. They can make up whatever they like at any time and we'll believe it because it's the only information they let us have. This entire election of communism vs capitalism is ridiculous and totally absurd.
>the age of consent exists because children don't have the emotional maturity to understand the consequences of having sex
>it's perfectly fine to give an 11 year old boy hormones to permanently change his body because he says he's a girl
>>72363406
I don't think that Liberals think that Muslims can and do radicalize.
>I hate the mainstream media I only watch Fox!
>>72363406
Fucking beat me to it.
Regressive American lefties, they think White American Liberals, Blacks, Gays, and Non Christian religious extremists can all get along in a non white utopia
>The British empire was the zenith of the white man's accomplishments
>The EU is a nefarious imperialistic superstructure that must be dismantled
>>72361116
>Muslims are a peaceful people just like everyone else
>If you don't let them into your country and let them do whatever they want, then they'll radicalise and try to kill you
>>72361116
Well essentially it is of the same quality of a hypocritical belief. However most hypocrisy arises from censors or false knowledge of a subject. Many /pol/ beliefs are hypocritical, especialy so in regards to censors on what is allowed to be said in the public domain. We are perhaps, not hypocritical in private, but that changes in a public arena for many people.
>>72363619
They do, and often say that we should do our best not to offend them or the peaceful muslims will kill us and it will be our fault.
>>72361331
these aren't necessarily contradictory
>Islam is a religion of peace you racist bigot, respect their beliefs!
>holy shit Christianity should be banned! It's a dangerous ideology and religion! Plus heh it's a pretty stupid thing to believe, what idiots!
>>72363788
The EU is not a country or an empire
it's just a loose federation, more of a trading union than anything
>>72363922
Oh yeah, that's true.
Nice dubs by the way.
Check'd and Correct'd
>>72361116
>Minorities can't be racist
>That Asian cop in San Fransisco is a racist
>>72363608
Jesus I saw someone post a picture of a little boy dressed as a girl on Facebook trying to argue you wouldn't want this little "girl" in the men's room. The kid had to be no more than 11.
>>72362790
Kek
>race is a social construct, we are all the same
>wow we should literally kill all white men
>>72363525
They make us read 1984 in english. Guys in my class found it interesting. Girls hated it.
>>72363927
this
>>72363582
I guess they have a lot of money to spend.
>hating Muslims or gays is a hate crime
>it's also a hate crime to hate Muslims for believing in their religion that promotes killing gays
We're a democracy yet still have the electoral college, political parties, and elected representatives
>>72363702
I think i made that one. I can't remember. I have about a dozen of those saved but I only ever made one. Not sure why it has a number file name in that case
>>72361116
Love of diversity and race mixing. The abolition of differences in the name of love of difference.
>>72361116
>Jews want an Islamised Europe
>Jews are being increasingly persecuted by an Islamised Europe
>>72364129
Girls hate literally anything that makes them think or question themselves / their surroundings
ESPECIALLY teenage girls
>>72364221
NO, you arent. You are a green room, and you are manipulated at will. And i dont like the directors.
>>72363963
Good
>>72364277
>>72363994
As a resident of an EU member state, I can tell you that the EU is anything but a loose federation or a trading bloc. Let me explain;
>The European Court of Justice can overturn any Supreme Court decision from an EU member state, rendering the member state to a subordinate to Belgian bureaucratic jurisprudence
>All EU-issued regulations and directives are instantaneously incorporated into the member states' law without the need for any ratification from the democratically elected legislatures of the member states
>>72364277
The Jewish Elite want a non white Europe so they can rule over a slave nation
Everyday Jews are the ones that suffer (stupid goyim)
>>72363525
>I am English American.
so fucking American then m8, you best not be one of these "muh great grandmothers step sisters Mexican maid once saw an irish potato, therefore i'm Irish-American faggots"
>because everyone knows the Irish aren't allowed to see potatoes
>>72364275
Good post.
Go Canada!
>>72363444
>>72364203
The world is a stage.
>>72364492
>All EU-issued regulations and directives are instantaneously incorporated into the member states' law without the need for any ratification from the democratically elected legislatures of the member states
And I thought you fuckers learned your lessons the first time you tried feudalism.
>>72363237
11/10
Good stuff
>>72362188
Can someone make one with liberals supporting women's rights while simultaneously supporting Islam?
>>72364518
>why would the Israelis want their closest allies to be ruled by the people who hate them most?
Classical liberalism's belief in meritocracy which is undermined by inheritance of wealth and status..... to ensure a meritocratic system you would need massive government intervention in people's personal lives.
Or is this thread just for taking pot shots at low hanging fruit?
>>72363444
Oh fug repeating 4s
>>72364518
So why not become Jewish to get slaves?
>>72363003
>implying those who know the jews control everything also support Israel
>>72364752
The USA is the one that protects Israel, not Europe notice we aren't getting 1/100 the amount of shitskins flooding us as you guys
>>72363608
Trans kids aren't given hormone suppressors until puberty, nor the opposite sex's hormones until 16. There is evidence that trannies' brain structures are similar to the opposite sex's; ironically, some leftists recognise that this is antithetical to their narrative that the differences between sexes are social constructs, hence the TERF/TIRF schism.
The more I stop trusting the government the more I find myself not being against them.
>>72364999
USA
>63% white
Ireland
>98% white
Sure thing my Yankee friend
I remmeber last year the global leaders were saying in the wake of mulitple terror attacks that they would not bow down to the terrorists. ISIS is trying to make us cower in fear and not let us live our life but we'll fight back by continuing on normally to prove they can't influence us and all that jazz.
Then shortly after many Christmas and new years celebrations were cancelled in big cities across US and Europe.
If that's not double talk, I don't know what is.
>>72361210
Left button of course
>>72361380
but they claim affirmative action is to compensate for perceived past injustice (women were protected like gold and niggers were sold to the British by arabs and other niggers so who fkn knows)
>>72365285
American's will be proud of anything.
We have no clear identity with reality so are insecure to the core.
Not implying other nations don't have similar problems.
>>72364609
That is fine, as long as i get to slit all of your throats.
Inclusion
the act of including : the state of being included
Inclusive
broad in orientation or scope
"Inclusion" in academia = special clubs or departments where their sole purpose is to serve the designated "minority" or "protected" group(s), provide service and membership exclusively to those people identified within those group(s)
>>72365566
Boo hoo
>>72365734
You need patience my little martyr.
>>72361116
>>72361116
>whites are superior because of IQ
>asians arent the master race
>i love freedom
>you cant do things i dislike
>im rational, and use the scientific method to prove/disprove opinions
>god is real because you cant prove he isnt!
>im pro life and care because its my moral responsebility to make sure those kids stay alive
>i dont support adoption agencies, welfare programs and finding those kids a place to live because its not MY moral responsebility
>sure hope the free market can find a way to make this profitable..
>>72362188
>>72364717
I think Bruce Springsteen cancelled a concert in NC because of the recent LGBT law and is considered a hero because he doesn't morally agree with them.
Then you have bakeries being sued and losing because they didn't want to make a cake for something they didn't morally agree with.
>>72366087
Nice, now we just need to edit the man to look like some nu-male faggot.
>>72366078
>>whites are superior because of IQ
>>asians arent the master race
Asians statistically have a lower standard deviation in their IQ curve.
This means that while they average slightly more than whites, they have less exceptionally intelligent people (and less fucktards).
There's a reason why most of history's great discoveries were made by whites.
>>72361116
Left-wing atheists (as opposed to political atheists).
They claim to support atheism becase they're adherents of science, and accuse Christian conservatives of denying science in the name of religion. This point is correct, but a political atheist (and everyone on the left), will deny science the moment it conflicts with their world view. For example, that men have a slightly higher IQ, a greater spread in IQ, or are more naturally inclined towards STEM fields.
They will also deny the scientific fact that blacks have a significantly lower IQ than other races.
Look at James Watson. He got a Nobel Prize for discovering the structure of DNA. A few years back he said that blacks have a lower IQ than other races, and that modern politics are going to fail to improve the lives of black people in Africa and the west, because they're based on the idea that everyone is born equal, with the same abilities and potential.
He wasn't even being racist, but his career and reputation was destroyed overnight. Same shit happened to Richard Dawkins and Nobel laureate Tim Hunt, when they made some politically incorrect statements.
>>72366078
Ughh, whites are smarter than blackes, asians are smarter than whites. Asians are better than blacks.
I cant decide, i can just decide to be a fucking faggot. I can just make general assumptions about race and about the pride i feel. I can distinguish about something that is already done, i can just look at "maybe thingelingeling" facts" and maybe derive sceptic point of view from it instead of using my mind obejctively.
I m torn between hilary and bernie but maybe i consider trump. Hey, i m the american retard. Hey maybe i dont care but i vote for hilary because the voting for trump is just too mainstream for non mainstream voters. I do everything ironically but in the end i m totally not a beta fag because all of my thoughts is derived from a certain status quo and i adapt to it slightly to express my contempt. I m the american contemporary spirit and if i dont whore out my soul i dont know what to do besides being smug and snark with my beta glasses and my feminized body that i wear proudly with the body hair that emphizes my sex.
>>72361116
None. Cognitive dissonance aplenty, but doublethink is the exact opposite of that. Right now, people avoid thinking about their contradictory ideas because it causes discomfort to acknowledge the conflicts. Doublethink is when that discomfort vanishes, and you can calmly analyse the contradictions and have no inkling that anything is wrong. It's scary shit, and it becomes more plausible by the year.
>>72366621
ahh moving the goalpost are we?
what are you going to say about jews then?
higher IQ and some "exceptionally" intelegent people
>>72366804
why are you telling me all this?
>>72367317
I dont know. Maybe because i come to your fucking nation and prevent it from being like your retarded neighbours. And i m not larping. I just want you to know, you little fuck.
>Africa is so poor because of the imperialist colonial borders drawn by white males which failed to take into account different tribes/ethnic groups who have historically been at violent odds with one another.
>Diversity is our strength! Multi Kulti is a Virtue! Only evil Nazis would support the idea of an ethno-state. We can integrate the entire 3rd world!
I hate liberals.
>>72366621
Their intelligence is also slightly different from whites. In a grossly oversimplified way, intelligence tends to be divided into two areas; math/visuospatial intelligence and language.
A high mathematical intelligence results in raw processing power, while language is often connected to creativity.
Asians tend to perform well in the former, but not so well in the latter. Whites and Jews tend to be more balanced between the two. In order to be a creative genius or generally be inventive, you need to score well in both.
In practise, this means that Asians tend to be good at computing numbers, rote memorization and doing repetitive tasks, but they lack the creative intelligence to do anything with it. They're essentially computers that you can feed information, but they're not going to come up with anything of their own.
>>72367495
hey hey now, dont be so emotional
i got a new one for /pol/
>hates emotional SJW who get mad because you point out some flaws in their reasoning
>gets mad because of someone pointing out some flaws in his reasoning
dont worry, no one can stop you from believing in any ideology, there is a reason they survived so long
>>72367649
Then why are you fucking feedin them information you retard? It is like you want to be dominated by them, esp. the nordic nations are neutered. The only potential they have is education but most of is inflated, and they are selling it off to other nations devaluting it to other nations. IT is like giving a monkey steroids, monkey gets sad if you put off the steroids. BUt then again i m not sad since you are little retards to begin with.
>Race mixing is wrong! Any coal burner deserves the oven!
>how can i get a qt azn gf?
>>72367987
Are you drunk or just mentally retarded?
>>72361116
/pol/ in particular epitomises this.
Hating Jews but supporting Israel, hating Muslims but supporting Palestine, complaining about blacks refusing to integrate with white people but then also complaining about blacks dating white women, claiming white people are the superior race but then also claiming that the Jews manipulate and control us with such ease.
>>72363994
Read a book on a subject before talking about it. Imbecile.
>>72367987
Are you drunk?
You're posting from a country considered to be one of the most cucked and degenerate.
>>72367813
That isnt what i meant, what i meant is that we take all your bases since you are basically borderline retarded. I dont hate sjws they are not important at all, they are just their to fullfil a emotional need of the goyim. But sweden is one hell of emotional need. And i take all their bases because they are weak. Just look at their female politicians it is like a mask of makeup, not even made of plastic, it washes off if you bring in the rain.
I consider myself a liberal and most of these are easy choices. I must be doing something wrong.
>>72368053
>>72368182
Are you projecting? Dunno but modern psychology tells me you are projecting. I have to assume that you are mentally challanged and not able to discuss serious matters.
But then again with have the mentally retarded cousin of suicidal sweden and murica which consists of 80% illiterates.
>>72361116
if you promote integration
>omg you can't just force your culture on someone
if you don't promote integration THIS IS PURE EVIL
>we ARE excluding the people of colour from our society THIS IS PURE EVIL
>>72363237
this is good, saved
trying to think of some more on my own
>>72368309
It just means you're somewhat sensible
> be a libertarian
> have a love boner for hitler and national socialism
>>72368470
Mentally retarded it is.
>>72361210
first post, best post
>>72367649
there seems to be a nietzsche-complex when it comes to whites and jews
white supremecists have spent so much time discrediting the jews despite them having science on their side, whites have claimed they where the superior race.
While it seems that the jews are both smarter in terms of IQ, but also in terms of "control" of the population (if the myth is to be believed)
the problem i see here, which is interesting to point out in a thread about contradictions and double-think
is that the jews being in control is a good thing if one is to hold the belief that IQ is importent and should be the value that judges who is king and who is weak.
But white supremicists dont seem to hold that belief fully that IQ is king, and exceptional individuals like einstein are key. Because for them the jews are lesser beings.
just like nietzsche who claimed that the world has gone in a diffrent direction then what is "strong and good", that the "weak and evil" have overtaken the civilization
despite the contradiction that those who are in control should be considered strong, especially if might makes right, as they do indeed seem to have the might, even if it isnt based on strenght but power.
there seems to be a contradiction here, in terms of power and smarts. And what values one trule thinks are important
the right has its cognitive disonances , just liek the left it seems
>>72368689
OK, give me a good estimation of current events, and if you are off to much i will come for you.
Mentally retarded it is. Du kleine schwuchtel.
>>72363237
I wouldnt call death penalty and abortion doublethink
but solid 10/10
![1671947-inline-shutterstock-123352936[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xLoH6fH.jpg "1671947-inline-shutterstock-123352936[1].jpg")
1. doublethink is good
2 doublethink is bad
3 doublethink is both good and bad at the same time
4. doublethink is neither good nor bad at the same time
>>72361116
> United States the only country setup to specifically give human rights to people from the start, use democracy in its government, AND ensure freedom of religion and freedom from monarch tyrants
> The United States is """ALLIES""" with Saudi Arabia.
>>72361116
>>72366252
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgWIhYAtan4
It's this kind of shit that makes my blood boil.
>>72366276
I think it looks like Carl the Cuck from a different angle
>>72369282
what a mess
btw "bad" is oldspeak, use good or ungood so we can be sure what you mean
>>72368861
i guess il make it into a meme, because no one is willing to read
>jews are subhumans
>jews are smart enough control the world
>might makes right
>dont control me
>only the master race should control the subhumans
>jews dont count because reasons
>inb4 shilling
im just pointing out some doublethinks, that doesnt mean you have to change your views , afterall tumblr doesnt change their views when presented with arguments either :^)
>>72368861
I don't like to admit it, but it does appear that Jews have a slighly higher IQ than whites. The problem is that IQ isn't the only thing that matters.
Jews are a tiny portion of the population in the US and essentially create their own state within the state. While some of their achievements are rooted in their high intelligence, it's also rooted in the fact that they're an entirely urban group of people and that they practise nepotism to an absurd degree. The point about them being urban is relevant because it allows more of them to pursue academic careers. A normal country's population is far more spread out, and need to employ people throughout all sectors of society. Farmers, workers, manual laborers, truckers, etc. When Jews attach themselves to a country, these roles are already counted for, so all of the Jews tend to end up in the cities, and can focus on lucrative careers. People in the cities have more opportunities, better careers and better education than those who live outside. This provides Jews with better conditions than the host population. Jews also tend to focus on a small amount of highly lucrative or influential careers, such as entertainment, media, news, law, medicine, goldsmithing, managing, science and banking.
Anyway, to cut things short, Jews are a bad influence on society, because they're a small group of people who hold a disproportionate amount of power and influence, and they use this influence primarily to help themselves, rather than for the good of the host population. While I'm not one to believe in conspiracy theories, I do beleive their influence is partially responsible for the increase in immigration, the SJW mentality and the rampant self-loathing that is so common among whites.
>gender is a social construct
>you can be born the wrong gender
>>72368040
Asians aren't niggers.
>>72365566
Don't accidentally slit your own on that edge.
>>72370325
dont worry, im fully aware of what ideology does. No need to worry. I consider this site the same as any other ; tumblr, reddit ect.
Consistancy isnt really a human endevour, its just a shame that people dont realize their own side to be inconsistant.
i dont think IQ is a big deal at all personally, because i judge people based on merit, but its a very complex system, so i can see why people would choose something simpler, like a numerical value.
But the problem will always be "exceptions" as you say. Any value system is meaningless if you going to invent new exceptions in the face of evidence rather then changing your theory.
you will always create new holes of inconsistancy when you dont have a complex theory of human value.
Like, where is the line between the jews helping themselves, and whites ensuring their own societies, countries or continents, rather then helping the world?
Where does the macro and micro meet>?
what about the brains plasticity and ability to evolve and change (learning), isnt that a common human trait?
even niggers can become smarter , we would need a complex system to determin limits.
does might make right? What value is essential? individuals, groups, freedom, security, race, gender, ethnicity?
one should figure out where one places each variable when it comes to judgning the world. That would be considered a true theory of evaluation.
But still not close to nature, because ouer evaluation of a fishes ability to climb is meaningless when nature intended it to swim
im not saying evaluation is better or worse, im just saying one should know the diffrence
>>72366276
>>72369930
Done
>>72371813
Aids Skrillex template version pic related
>>72371303
The thing is, that you have to sell the shit you are rooting for. You dont sound like might makes right. You sound like you gathered some sperg puzzles pieces without being a able sperg to solve the picture.
>>72371900
>You're a White Male
>I'm also a White Male
>>72371303
IQ is a very good predictor of success, so I do put some stock into it. There's also scientific consensus that IQ does matter. In fact, a group of scientists wrote a paper called "Mainstream science on intelligence" to refute the the media's claim that IQ doesn't matter.
>what about the brains plasticity and ability to evolve and change (learning), isnt that a common human trait?
People can learn, but only within the limits the biological limits of their brain. A person born with an IQ of 85, is never going to become a scientist.
>does might make right? What value is essential? individuals, groups, freedom, security, race, gender, ethnicity?
I'm against immigration of visible minorities (non-whites to white countries), period. It's not about hate, it's about conflict and identity. There isn't a single example throughout history of two different races living together in harmony, so I simply want immigration to end, so we can cut our losses and deal with the massive problems we've already caused for ourselves.
As for a minority ruling over the majority, I only think this is morally acceptable when the majority population is so mindblowingly stupid and violent that they can't govern themselves. South Africa is a good example.
Jews having political control in white countries is harmful, because whites already know how to run a society, so it only causes conflict and is detrimental to the majority.
Heard some canacuck philosophy professor argue that interrupting a speaker is a form of free speech
>censorship
>free speech
Literally 1984 tier, War is peace kind of shit.
>>72372241
no i dont believe it, so its fine , it was a rethorical question for /pol/ since they seem to
>>72372532
>>72361116
Weapons cause disasters
10 minutes later
America needs weapons.
#Doubletrump
>>72372546
I will solve it for you. If you trade off and piss off enough people you will receive a certain backlash. Just like a liquid eats through another one.
There is nature and there is nurture, nature dicates that will rip you into shreds, because your balance is ill. And /pol/ is representative a big part of the population in the futre. That means your rhetorical question needs an answer very soon otherwise there is no rheoric you can rely on. It is more of a pragmatic solution then instead of an lingustic one.
>>72372879
You sound like a poorly programmed AI, that's just spitting out random words.
Are you autistic? Serious question.
>>72372359
the questions are there so can figure out where your beliefs and your "scientific knowlage" meet
i have no problem with IQ, but you must understand that me evaluating people based on merit makes me not discard people like niel degrass tyson, as you would assumably.
While your problem would be the line "i hate to admit it, but jews are smart" why would you have problems admiting it if your so scientific and not ideological at all?
im fully aware of the limits a person has, which is based on everything that happens to him aswell, so me judging by merit would still not be scientifically problematic as i would meet a person with an IQ of 85 and dismiss him as a stupid individual based on consistancy forexample, which is a quality i hold in high regard. But your categorization seems to have a low rate of sucess in personal meetings, while having a higher rate when it comes to groups
the only problem with the group thing is your last paragraph
what makes you think the jews dont agree with what you said ?
I can see their justification being similar "after WW2 we noticed whites couldnt be trusted, and they where too stupid, fighting amongst eachother and killing US, and so we have determind that we as higher IQ group, should help them and control them "
the values here arent very well developed, as you do seem to dislike the jews, while your values should allow them to be considered superior in your view if you take their reasoning into account
or is there another spesific thing one needs to be considered of value when it comes to your view?
>>72372879
well im aware of the emotional backlash
most humans are driven by emotions and this is how it will be,
the SJW (or the joos) started it, and you are going to finish it.
but im not going to sit here and pretend with the rest of you as if there is any diffrence between the sides
>>72373334
Read your post again you go from white genocide to jews to brain plasticy and philosphical axioms.
I think you need the crowbar, and i think you should tell your handlers because you know some might behave irrational.
>>72373866
If you dont pay me what you owe me i will enforce it. That is a very pragmatic approach. And you will pay me.
>>72374058
what do "i" owe you?
if you take something from the wrong guy, its just stealing, and you become the one who owes something
>>72363927
Actually, on the left there's an implicit presupposition that the pilgrims were good. Nevertheless your assessment is still correct.
>>72374302
Exactly. And if you steal from me in any shape or form i will make sure you pay what you owe me.
>>72374486
aslong as your standards apply to yourself too we have no problem
>>72374568
My standards are very subjective and basic. You might define that as primitve.
>>72363963
It's an exaggeration, but I agree. Hillary used this multiple times at the debate by pointing out how Bernie was implying this.
>>72361116
Islam and Liberalism.
White Privilege and Anti-Racism.
Feminism-Equality and Mandated Diversity Quotas.
They are the big ones on the left.
On the right;
Nationalism and Free Trade.
Christianity and Ethnic Nationalism/Western Civilization.
>>72363406
>If You Say Islam Is Not The Religion Of Peace I Will Feel Compelled To Murder You.
>>72371813
>>72366087
Thanks anon
>Transgender women are literally women and you are homophobic if you disagree
This one really does my head in.
>>72373610
>evaluating people based on merit makes me not discard people like niel degrass tyson, as you would assumably.
What makes you think that? He's a somewhat accomplished scientist, so I'm fairly certain he has an above average IQ. That being said, his fame seems to be derived from his personality, rather than his actual accomplishments. I've seen some debates with him, and he never comes off as particularly smart or articulate. He tends to be loud and uses very simplistic arguments.
>why would you have problems admiting it if your so scientific and not ideological at all?
When did I make the claim that I don't have my own set of beliefs? My point was exactly that I have my own convictions, but I'm not going to deny scientific evidence just because I don't like the results. Most of the problems today stem from people being incapable of accepting scientific evidence that doesn't correspond with their preconceived world view.
> But your categorization seems to have a low rate of sucess in personal meetings, while having a higher rate when it comes to groups
Groups and individuals are two entirely different things. I'm not saying that there are no good black people or muslims out there. However, what I am saying is that black people and muslims are a problem to society as a group, because they cause crime and conflict.
>I can see their justification being similar
And this justification would be wrong. Look at Israel. Look at the enormous amount of Jewish leaders among the Bolsheviks who founded communism (Lenin, Trotsky and Marx were all Jews), and the genocide of million in the Ukraine caused by their ideology. Look at the Jewish leaders in the failed German revolution of 1918.
Furthermore, the difference in IQ between whites and Jews is fairly small, and far from the huge gap between blacks and other races. White countries have also been the most dominant, advanced and civilized in history, while the Jews have simply piggybacked on Europe's success.
>>72363608
I honestly think this Trans shit is a precursor for making pedophilia the new normal. Not joking.
>>72373931
Are you autistic?
>>72374651
well if subjective means you consider yourself an exception to the rule
i would say there is no place for that within society, only nature.
>>72375277
The thing is that i m above you little motherfucker.
And nature dictates as you already put it that i m the exception. Because you know the bell curve, do you? Society can only thrive with exeptional people and that is what you just admited. The exception to the rule. You fucking goy.
>>72364525
Literal cuck
>>72375202
the argument that they would be wrong because they failed isnt convincing, we are talking about giving the same reasons as you did. I mean you arent guarateeing a sucess are you? Whites have been at war with whites before
if you could explain yourself i wouldnt have to make asumptions as to why you anwsered a diffrent question
as for the rest, he was an example, i dont consider many people truely smart myself, as its about standards
but him having high IQ friends would be the point to bring him up in a discussion like this, we both know hes a tv personality and that brings certain roles with it, but his social circle is relevant to the point
the two other points i agree with
>>72368861
The problem here is conflation either way of good/evil with smart/stupid. Secondary conflations with jew/white and white/jew causes a contradition at the primary level:
smart-evil-jew
smart-good-white
or
dumb-evil-white
smart-good-jew
Conflation isn't necessarily wrong. It has to be tested by induction.
>>72375589
no im above you hurr
as for the rest, i was refering to the integirty of the belief. If you exclude yourself , there is really no point for other people to keep to their word either.
let me put it in words you will understand
if you steal from people, No one in society is going to care about thiefs stealing from you
>>72361116
liberal ideology.
being leftist
progressive
commies
gays
nigger
jews
anything else that needs to be OVENED
>>72375277
You know what the funny thing is?
I talked to military guys, and they all told me what i already knew, and those guys wherent grunts. These people where guys that had been in the military for a decade and somehow i knew what they were thinking. And if you press the right buttons they would tell you anything, the thing i wonder about is, why are these guys telling me this shit and why am i knowing something that i shouldnt know.
You know, the more i think about it, the more i know that you shouldnt piss us off with your retarded shit. Because if you fuck me off i might one day be very unconfortable. You might report that back to your handlers.
trumpdoublethink:
nonintervention,
getting involved with syrian war
Blacks are equal so we need to help them because they don't do good on their own
>>72376237
If you steal from me i will cut your throat. And i will notice that, just fyi you fucking retard.
>>72376507
well if its 1on1 i would have no problem with it.
But seen as most authoritarians act like any other group (authority) the world will always be like >pic related
and i have no problem acting alone, aslong as its my free will
>>72376928
Goes both ways, boring.
Mano a mano. That is what it is about.
>>72361116
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/earls-alberta-beef-1.3556565
>An announcement on Tuesday that Vancouver-based Earls restaurant chain will start getting all of its beef from a U.S. supplier provoked a fast and furious backlash.
>The company said it tried to use Alberta beef, but there was not enough that is Certified Humane, a designation now required by Earls.
>Certified Humane is a program operated by Virginia-based Humane Farm Animal Care. It includes inspections of farms, ranches and slaughter facilities and certifies meat and dairy products.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/halal-certification-1.3519910
>After years of complaints from the Muslim community about companies slapping the term "halal" on food that is not, new labelling regulations come into effect today across the country.
>Under the new rules, the Canadian Food Inspection Agency requires that any food labelled halal has to have been certified by an organization that ensures it does, indeed, meet Muslim dietary requirements.
>For animal products, those religious requirements include blessing each animal before slaughtering it by hand.
>>72377159
the only diffrence is that this side isnt left or right
and would fight for your right
while you and the SJW would censor and kill
>>72376015
> I mean you arent guarateeing a sucess are you? Whites have been at war with whites before
Creating the most genocidal ideology in human history isn't just a small failure.
Besides, the point is that white societies are generally stable and successful, and that the difference in IQ between whites and Jews is relatively small. Furthermore, whites outnumber Jews to the point where there are far more highly intelligent white people than there are highly intelligent Jews, so the point is moot.
You can compare this to heavyweight fighters. The stronger and more fit a fighter is, the better his potential will be... but only up to a point. When you reach a certain level of strength, it matters less and less. In other words, you need a certain level of strength to be a good heavyweight fighter, but being the strongest fighter doesn't necessarily make you the best.
The same goes for intelligence. For a society to be stable and successful, the population needs to be above a certain level of intelligence. But you tend to reach a point where society stabilizes and becomes peaceful, which seems to be around an IQ of 100. After that, it's more about what policies you implement.
In the average sub-Saharan African country, I don't believe society can become peaceful and prosperous, given that the average IQ tends to hover between 75-80, while the average IQ of college students is below 90.
>if you could explain yourself i wouldnt have to make asumptions as to why you anwsered a diffrent question
I'll do that, when you stop creating strawmen based on opinions I've never expressed.
>>72376507
Are you autistic?
>>72377546
>>72377721
Na i m not. Because otherwise they wouldnt tell me. I somehow i would just want to leave you a message. You little fucking goy, do not ever fuck with me. Just a hint, and now remember halle barries boobs to have a positive image. You got me?
>>72363608
>>72375215
That's a relatively common theory among the SO WOKE.
>>72377649
im not trying to create strawmen, there is a reason i posted that on the same post as i said i agree with two previous points because i misinterpreted them
you still didnt anwser the question
what would make the jews wrong if they applied your reasoning to their tactics?
Whites have had 2 world wars, therfor they are inferior therfor = control
the question about sucsess as i said isnt the point here, but rather your values.
A big point about values is that they need to be examened in terms of their integrity
Would you agree if the group you are against applied the same tactics based on the same data? IQ, closed culture, control?
the rest can wait until this fundamental question is anwsered
>>72364221
We have always been a representational republic.
>>72377649
sure hope you arent gone simply because your about to be confronted with your values, that isnt very scientific of you
>>72378637
like i said, no strawmen
>>72378637
>what would make the jews wrong if they applied your reasoning to their tactics?
Because the premise is wrong.
- We're not talking about war. We're talking about stable societies. When there was no war, European societies were peaceful, prosperous and scientifically advanced.
- War happens in every culture and doesn't define the culture itself.
- Jews have been involved in European and American politics for a long time, and have proven themselves to be every bit as warlike as whites. Israel is far less stable and far more aggressive than western countries.
- When Jews influence politics, its almost exclusively to the detriment of the host population, and to the benefit of the Jews.
- Jews are only successful because they've been allowed to live in prosperous, successful European countries. Without European success, there would be no Jewish success. They're entirely dependent on the stability and prosperity of white society.
- The difference in IQ is relatively small, and when compared to the host population, there are more intelligent people of European descent than people of Jewish descent. On top of that, politicians don't tend to be geniuses. Geniuses become scientists. Most politicians hover around an average IQ of 120. Highly intelligent leaders have also not proven themselves to be better leaders or less warlike. For example, Nixon is considered the second most intelligent President of the US, while the entire leadership of Nazi Germany that was on trial at Nürnberg had IQs between 120-140, with the exception of one.
- Jews have tried to control European countries, and it ended in a genocidal nightmare that killed 160 million people in Europe and Asia.
>Would you agree if the group you are against applied the same tactics based on the same data? IQ, closed culture, control?
I really have to wonder why you would completely ignore the point I made in my previous post, where I specifically pointed out that the conditions aren't the same.
>>72379993
You probably shouldn't sound so arrogant, considering your half-wit questions and inability to understand anything I say.
>>72379993
The funny thing is that you fucking retard wouldnt even know scientific if not for some idiot explaining it to you over and over again.
It is somehow funny that some canadian flag which i imagine as asian (with little dicks) doesnt get the basic principles.
Like little fucking kids with no idea with no perception and all your leaders what wear the banner of science are wearing glasses with the inverted age. You are all kids that never experienced being a kid. YOu are all kids that got the mirror too early and now you have to look at your shirivled dick. And i truely enjoy it. I enjoy your degradation, doesnt matter if you are 10finger asians.
>>72380357
I m fucking drunk but what i m about to say is. that asians got little dicks. GIVE YOUR BOOBS TO ME.
>>72361116
Socialism and reality
>>72371900
Beutiful
>>72380125
>we are not talking about war, ahh now we arent talking about war? Well good, you have been moving the goalposts twice now, and calling me the one who dosent listen?
>wars happen in every culture and doesn't define the culture itself
well then i guess you cant go by that when judging the blacks eh
>whites have been involved in african culture, mostly for the benifit of the whites rather then the "hosts culture"
so are you going to admit whites where wrong in africa inorder to allow your existing belief to be maintained regarding the jews?
even if not, your current definition of when its right to control a group is still lacking, as you dont seem to aprove of "parasites, when it comes to the hosts culture" , based on those defined terms, you would have to disagree with what you said earlier about control, unless you have a diffrent explenation?
im not trying to be difficult, but if you where asking difficult questions to a feminist, they too would probably act in a similar manner at first
"dont strawmen me" especially if you used /pol/ memes
im simply asking for the relevant information
i havent gone into the conspiracy part yet, because im not here to discuss "jews=communists"
nor do i believe in the unscientific parts of your belief, as they are unfalsifiable and you should know about that concept, and how well it relates to conspiracy theories
>>72380357
ugh, why are you talking about asian dicks you degenerate
>>72380549
>>72381583
Because i want their females boobs for myself.
I need those boobs, i need to collect them.
>>72380232
i understand, i just dont see any integrity
i consider the facist approach to politics to be the most lacking. Its supposedly based on reality, but they still need to control the parts of reality for it to work
i dont think its sustainable or based on values that hold up
and i fear it might even be based on expansion, despite the concept being isolation
if that makes sense, its late
>>72361116
>Gun zones and """safe""" zones are stupid, they won't keep people out who want to come in
>Gender-specific bathrooms are great!
>>72381454
>well then i guess you cant go by that when judging the blacks eh
Except you're wrong. For some who pretends to be an intellectual, you sure have an insanely binary way of thinking. There are many different reasons for wars, and the way they're fought, but this is a huge topic that I can't address within the character limit of a 4chan post.
Regardless, most African wars are civil wars, that result from the chaos of a people incapable of governing itself.
Furthermore, I'm not judging Africa based on their wars. I'm judging them based on the conditions in their societies when they're at peace. All African countries are corrupt, violent shitholes.
>so are you going to admit whites where wrong in africa inorder to allow your existing belief to be maintained regarding the jews?
Are you genuinely retarded? I already pointed out that the conditions aren't the same. I wrote two huge posts about it.
If black people could govern themselves, I would agree with you. But they can't. They're too stupid and violent. Africans actually had it better under Apartheid than under Mandela. When Apartheid ended, crime and murder shot through the roof, and Johannesburg is now a crime-ridden city littered with garbage and sewage. Basic services are gone and large portions of the city have been abandoned.
I'm not saying the oppression of blacks under Apartheid was right, but I do believe that South Africa would be an infinitely safer and more prosperous country if it was ruled by a benevolent, white government.
>your current definition of when its right to control a group is still lacking
No, I already stated this a long time ago. When the people can't run a civilized society, they need to be controlled. My definition of this applies to most, if not all of sub-Saharan Africa. While there are other shitholes in the world, like in South America and parts of South Asia, these people are not so far gone that they should be controlled by an outside force.
>>72382728
Can someone make a non clipart grandma version of this plz?
>>72382115
It's not fascist.
My two points were very simple.
1. I don't want people from different cultures to reside in the same country, because it creates conflict and destroys the host country's culture and sense of community.
2. Africans are incapable of running a civilized society. It's probably too late to try to do anything about it, as instituting white governments would only results in a huge war with millions upon millions of dead Africans, so it's probably best to leave them to their own devices.
My main problem with the world today, including my issues with Jews and black people, is not that I want to oppress them. It's that you can't talk about these issues. If you quote actual statistical facts, such as the proportion of Jews in certain positions, the percentage of Jewish billionaires, or the low IQ of the average black person, you're going to be called a liar and a racist, even if you're telling the objective truth. All I want is to live in a society where you can tell the truth without being ostracized, so that we can make decisions based on these truths, rather than on an ideological fairytale with no basis in reality.
>>72381454
The point about Jews, as I see it, is that on average they have high IQs, which leads them to reach positions of power and influence in almost all fields in Western nations.
However, something about the modern anthropological development of Jews has endowed them with a tendency (that is by no means shared by all of them) to pursue objectives that may be contrary to the interests of the general population of a nation. This is particularly evident where they gain influence in politics, civil service, the law, media, education, and economics.
To be more precise, this tendency involves the adoption of ideologies that are contrary or functionally contrary to basic national interests. The effect is that the rest of the population are subject to these ideologies and the practical consequences that are entailed.
Although, it should be noted that it is not only Jews who are involved in this, they are just more disposed to it than other citizens.
>>72382922
what is this?
>ignores whites have been involved in african culture, mostly for the benifit of the whites rather then the "hosts culture"
>moves the goalpost yet again, now its civilwars that are the problem
we all know everyone can keep this up until the excuses and objections are all used up. The only problem is we dont have unlimited time
i asked you what the definition of a culture was that should be ruled , and you already had your chance to list "civilwars" as a special case or whatever
its not possible to falsify value statements just like conspiracy theories, and someone who supposedly cares about science should know this.
Im honestly not trying to strawmen, im just pointing out a few inconsistancies. Of course we could keep this up until dawn, but this isnt the point.
The point is i gave you the chance to spesifiy, and even if i bring up internal conflicts like ireland and northern irland, or cyprus and norther cyprus, or the spanish civil war you still wouldnt be satisfied by this point
>>72383589
atleast we can agree on the last point,
the only thing im afraid of is that the rightwing and the leftwing are the same when in power
>>72383589
>>72383843
(also)
as i explained in the first post, there should be made a distinction between science and what one infers from the data,
aswell as theories around the subject
especially when they cant be falsified
>>72361116
whites are racist and evil
mud shits have to all move into white countries
>>72361116
Trumps foreign policy.
>>72383589
So you look at the first order i.e "Blacks have low IQ" and don't look at the root causes?
You don't think about what causes this? Do you just assume that blacks are genetically inferior?
You know you can't actually isolate the race variable from other socioeconomic variables right? When studies are controlled for income they're not controlled for the fact that people of different races are treated differently based solely on race, which is a totally natural thing.
The objective truth, it's like you don't even think about shit you spout before spouting it.
inb4 you call me a nigger lover or some such
CONSERVATIVE DOUBLETHINK
I'm pro-life, ALL life is precious!
I support the death penalty and stand your ground laws
Christians are being persecuted!
Atheists shouldn't even be citizens
Cut down the size of the government
Expand the military
We must stop Sharia law!
We need more Christianity in government
Racism doesnt exist
all niggers are subhuman trash
Obama is a muslim
Obama is an atheist
Drugs kill people and should be illegal
protect the 2nd ammendment
Evolution is just a theory
Whites are genetically superior
The mainstream media is liberally biased
fox news ins my favorite channel
whites are the superior race
whites are being controlled by jews
states rights!
We need a federal ban on gay marriage!
>>72384068
You really are retarded. You just pick and choose individual quotes, without considering the context or the rest of the conversation, like the fact that I said I wasn't using war as a qualifier.
>ignores whites have been involved in african culture, mostly for the benifit of the whites rather then the "hosts culture"
I didn't ignore this, you massive retard. I answered it. The conclusion was that black people can't govern themselves, and live better under white oppression than under black freedom. This doesn't excuse the oppression of blacks under white rule, it simply makes a point out of the fact that black people are so utterly shit at governing themselves, that they're better off when subjugated by whites than as free people under a black government. You can even see traces of this in the US, specifically in Detroit. Ideally, any white government that would rule them should treat them better than the colonial powers did.
>The point is i gave you the chance to spesifiy, and even if i bring up internal conflicts like ireland and northern irland, or cyprus and norther cyprus, or the spanish civil war you still wouldnt be satisfied by this point
Because those are individual conflicts caused by politics and ideologies, and not because of any inherent flaws within the race.
However, when we're talking about Africa, we're talking about an entire fucking continent where not one country is functional, and where the average IQ is 75-80.
How is this a difficult concept for you to understand?
>>72384946
Blacks in Africa and Haiti which are majority white have low IQs too. You set up an elaborate social sciences labyrinth for your mind to get stuck in so you don't have to admit the uncomfortable truth of racial differences.
Y'all need to stop these threads. About half of these come under the categories
>different people saying different things
>>72366078
Pretty much this entire post aside from the last one in which they're compatible.
or
>both ideas are actually quite compatible
>>72363237
Lefties are shit tier but most of these aren't cognitive dissonance, and it's a shit-tier infograph.
You can believe that Fox is propaganda but msnbc is the truth.
You can believe that the death penalty is wrong while abortion because you don't think it's murder.
You can believe Conservatives use ad hom while also using them yourself.
And a bunch of these are just shit they don't say like "gingers have no souls", while saying stereotypes are wrong.
>>72385442
majority black, I mean
>>72385172
You're confusing white nationalism with conservatism you fucking idiot.
It's pretty clear you know nothing about these topics so take your bullshit elsewhere.
>>72385567
>implying conservatards in this thread arent doing the same thing with liberals and SJW bullshit
>>72384946
thats the leftist view, but most rightwingers seem to believe in this "self furfilling phropecy" way
in that they dont understand their view of the world is actually hurtfull to the world itself, it makes the situation worse off.
Kinda like pessimism
but of course, when left to your emotions, most people act that way, and same goes for racism
but- one should actually have the worldview that also brings the best results
there is a distinction between safty and risk
and risk seems to be improvment of the socialproblems, while simutaniously being in danger of getting hurt by the people your trying to save
and the the other way seems to be to play it safe, and defend yourself from those social problems, while your actually keeping them the way they are
-----------
the argument from the right is actually quite interesting aswell
as their disregard for social programs sometimes manifests as "tough love" , in that they believe the left is acting in a condecending manner when applying those social programs to the blacks for example
this means that one can be right wing without being racist, but there is also many rightwingers who claim to want to help the blacks help themselves, but actually just want to keep them down, by not allowing for social programs
all in all, it seems like its just probabilty
the chances of a black person chimpingout
or the chances of a rightwinger not being racist
only true individuals judge individuals rather then groups (probabilities)
>>72384946
>You know you can't actually isolate the race variable from other socioeconomic variables right?
We can get close enough to make a fairly safe theory.
Sure it's not 100% airtight, but I'd go 95%, it's certainly more sensible than just assuming "we're all the same" and trying to find any possible excuse to justify the idea regardless of if it's grounded in reality or not.
Then basing every policy on this idea and covering every advanced nation with them.
Because I hate to break it to you, assuming we're all the same without evidence is just as unscientific as the reverse.
>assume we're different and keep separate and the evil ignorant racists are wrong
>blacks eventually end up improving on their own
>assume we're all the same and you're wrong
>well the world just lost 10 iq points and technological advancement stagnated to a crawl
>>72385540
no, but im still interested in the mental gymnastics required to justify your view so please elaborate
>>72384946
>You know you can't actually isolate the race variable from other socioeconomic variables right? When studies are controlled for income they're not controlled for the fact that people of different races are treated differently based solely on race, which is a totally natural thing.
Except this is bullshit. You're simply resorting to "muh racism".
You seem to be unaware of this, but racism doesn't matter at all when IQ tests are concerned, because IQ tests are designed by nature to be culturally neutral and to test innate abilities. In other words, they're designed to ignore learned material. One of the most common tests they use today is the Raven's Progressive Matrices, which relies entirely on pattern recognition.
Black IQ is consistently low across the board, regardless of which culture they grew up in, and socioeconomic factors play absolutely no role. This has been proven in Asian countries, where the poorest dirt farmers have roughly the same IQ as the urban population.
On top of this, black children from wealthy families get poorer grades and have lower scores on IQ tests than white children from poor families.
Lastly, they've done adoption studies where minority children grow up with white, middle class parents, and the IQ tests showed the exact same pattern. Blacks were at the bottom, while mulattos were somewhere inbetween whites and blacks. The mulattos didn't even know they were mixed, so there was no racial bias to talk about.
>>72363444
>>72386133
What view are you talking about?
I was pointing out that your post was full of strawmen.
>>72361116
Americans are hard workers but we need to raise taxes on our trade partners because they're too efficient at manufacturing.
>>72385262
you practically bagging for strawmen now
>war is okey, so dont use WW1 or 2 as an example pliz
>civilwars are because of diffrent reasons then race
>in afraica is all because of race
and your calling me a retard krek
>>72363249
Japanese cartoons, leaf
>>72386178
talk about strawmen, what are you even doing at this point?
you clearly missed his point
>>72386376
>war is okey, so dont use WW1 or 2 as an example pliz
>civilwars are because of diffrent reasons then race
>in afraica is all because of race
Thank you for proving that you're retarded. This is the exact kind of idiocy and complete inability to understand a basic argument that I was talking about.
>>72386296
i agree that "diffrent people post diffrent things" blabla
im simply asking what makes you think someONE can hold the views i posted as an example, and not be contradictory
like "i love freedom, but do as i say" for example
>>72386551
you talked about an argument sure, but the definition switched every time, so i guess it was hard to follow
>moving the goal posts fallacy
>>72386491
Stop embarrassing yourself.
>>72366087
/thread
>>72386875
dont worry about me, im sure they will confuse me for you considering how unconsistant you where
>>72386717
That the parent should be made to raise a child that they conceive. I have no desire to ban abortion in this country so don't go there.
The others I put as
>different people saying different things
But fair enough. I'll withdraw for the freedom one. You can see that type of cognitive dissonance irl.
>>72386867
You know, just spouting random buzzwords doesn't actually count as arguing.
I said Africans can't govern themselves. You start bringing up war, as if that somehow has any impact on a society's ability to govern itself, despite the fact that all the greatest empires in the history of the world have been waging war, and actually built their success on the conquest of others. You're the one moving the goalposts and going off on bizarre tangents, because you're incapable of arguing the actual case.
>>72362790
>>72387050
I'm sure they'll be able to tell the difference, judging by the grammar alone.
>>72368114
I don't like Jews
I don't support Israel
I don't like Arabs
I don't support Palestine
I don't like niggers
I don't want them to be near my women
White people are the superior race
Jews are backed by the power of Satan who is ruler of the mortal realm and has prevented God from returning to his children.
>>72361210
Fpbp
>>72387201
that doesent guarantee anything tho, children are born from parents who are alchoolics and heroin addicts
its a classic right-wing attempt to solve the problem , but its just makes it worse
a dead fetus is better then a dead kid
and i can also see the others having people who actually believe those views at the same time, but i do hope that isnt the case
>>72387751
so edgey bro
>>72361116
>Pakistan a fucking terrorist state with nukes that will fell into terrorists if they destablize and bunch of boy rapists
>they poo in the loo pajeet
>>72363963
Gold
>>72387253
>buzzwords
probably the most annoying meme on 4chan
considering this place is full of buzzwords
your the one that started talking about conflicts, dont blame me, blame your focus on the jews=communists conspiracy that took over the debate
>>72388400
It's strange. India is a shithole with nukes, a huge population and an oppressive religion, but at least you people don't seem to be a threat to the world at all, and don't really seem to have a hostile attitude towards the west. Even China is more aggressive than you. What gives?
>Africa and the middle East are unstable because colonial powers ignored ethnic lines when drawing the maps
>mass immigration of alien cultures only strengthens us
Perfect example of doublespeak leading to doublethink:
Department of Defense
The USA's Department of Defense has never - and never is a long time - NEVER defended anything, unless you support the theory that the best defense is a good offense.
People don't mind so much when their tax dollars are going to DEFENSE. Doesn't matter that the money is actually going into foreign aggression, the only thing that matters is that they tell you it's for defense. Just say the word, and like magic, people get on with their lives as if they aren't constantly feeding money into the planet's foremost non-stop war-for-profit machine.
>>72367566
Holy shit didn't see yours before mine >>72388886
>>72388790
>an oppressive religion
you mean many
Plus our constitution atleast never deemed any sect non-lslamic as a decree
>>72388640
>blame your focus on the jews=communists conspiracy that took over the debate
See? There you go diverting the conversation again. The original argument was why Jewish influence in western countries was a bad thing, but you kept making bizarre comparisons with Africa. I made dozens of arguments that pointed out the vast flaws in your logic, but you decided to ignore them and focus on picking and choosing individual arguments, then misinterpreting them and going on long tangents, by repeating questions I had already answered.
>>72389067
I was referring to the caste system. I'll admit I don't know much about India, but from what I understand, India oppresses a large portion of its population based on the caste they're born into.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong about this.
>>72389044
Except a strong military in itself is a form of defense.
Imagine the US without a military.
>>72389527
what the fuck are you even talking about?
The original discussion was ME asking YOU question about your values, and then i asked why couldnt the jews simply use your arguments for themselves?
there was no logical flaws you could have pointed at when it came to my points, because i only told you i judge people based on merit, and all you said was "individual and groups are diffrent yes"
its not my fault you couldnt give a consistant definition of your position and as to why jews could use the same logic
which is why i prestended the case from their side, whites being unstable, whites fighting ect.
you changed the subject in terms of conflicts , which is why i asked why you didnt anwser the question i asked but jumped to something else
its all up there dude, just read and cry
>>72363963
Savage.
>>72389670
It's illegal to do that. But it is still there,when the LAW is not seeing or when it never gets reported,specially in the far country side.
Plus goverment endorses affirmative action that end up giving benefitss even to sons and daughters of those who are high official or rich just in the name of caste and religion (and then again,if your income comes from unorganized sector ,you easily fake as person living below poverty line (BPL -a scale under which government run ration shops give you food and kerosene based on your ration card) and get benefits of affirmitive action,which basically happened to guy I know in my locality who lived in a 3 story house and owned a car and still got scholarship for being in a lower caste.
Currently there are debates whether to extent this reservation policy to private companies ot not.
due to sectarian structure of indian society,political parties tries to woos one caste or another to secure mass votes since the so called upper caste hindu is a very divided votebank.
>>72389815
You're missing the point. Of course we must have a military, and it must be strong.
But by calling the military arm of our government the Department of DEFENSE, instead of its original name, the much-more-honest "Department of War," they create the subtle illusion in the American mind that our aggressive activities are defensive in nature.
As Orwell said in OP's image, doublethink is holding two contradictory beliefs simultaneously and believing both of them.
Americans believe we are engaging in an offensive strategy that is defensive in nature. Because that's what the language tells them to believe.
>>72390557
Oh and we have shitload of political parties based in each state ,based on ethnicity,caste and religion
Major one listed here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_India
>>72362790
lel
>>72369947
Double plus ungood for you, my friend!.
>>72390140
>and then i asked why couldnt the jews simply use your arguments for themselves?
And I gave you dozens of answers, all of which you ignored. Your replies basically boiled down to "no, you're wrong", then repeating the same questions or going off on a tangent.
>because i only told you i judge people based on merit, and all you said was "individual and groups are diffrent yes"
Yes, they are. You can judge the influence a group has on society, for example through immigration. This is what sociology is about, even if it's a highly flawed "science", and what the government uses to enact policies to influence these groups.
Individuals you judge based on your interaction with them.
Again, you're incredibly stupid to not understand such a simple concept.
>its not my fault you couldnt give a consistant definition of your position and as to why jews could use the same logic
I'll repeat myself for the fouth or fifth time: The same logic doesn't apply, because the circumstances are different.
The differences between whites and Jews are very small.
The differences between whites and blacks are huge.
The white population's size means that there are more highly intelligent whites than there are Jews in any given white country.
Israel, and many other historical examples, like the Soviet Union shows that Jews don't run socities better than whites.
Black societies are self-destructive and violent hellholes.
White societies are the most stable, peaceful and prosperous societies in the world.
You were the one who brought up war and conflict, and I pointed out that war doesn't necessarily say something about the nature of the country, given that the greatest civilizations in history have all waged war and conquered others.
Again, you have nothing. You're just a contrarian idiot who can only use black and white logic, and completely ignores nuances.
Orwell was a socialist. Completely degenerate.
>>72390558
It's the same in Norway. It's called "forsvaret", which literally translates to "the defense". It doesn't even refer a governmental department, but the entire military. If you're conscrpited, you'd say "I'm been drafted into the defence", which admittedly sounds really stupid in English.
