http://prntly.com/2016/04/28/breaking-rand-paul-to-endorse-donald-trump-before-indiana-insiders-say-yes/
You have 10 seconds to tell me why Trump/Paul is a bad idea
>protip, you can't
>nothing but speculation by kikehammer
I really want to believe this still
>>72339030
Because Rand brings literally 0 tactical advantage in the GE.
Rand is up for reelection in a state that Trump did well in, so this wouldn't surprise me. I still doubt it, though.
>>72339030
Rand is more useful in a cabinet position than VP
>>72339525
meant for
>>72339352
>>72339030
I would fucking love a Trump/Rand ticket. But it's just not happening. Rand was pissed the fuck off about Trump calling him a manlet, and Rand doesn't agree with a lot of Trump's ideas because he's an idealistic free trade libertarian.
>>72339544
He's better in the Senate, but him endorsing Trump would deliver a devastating blow to the Rato bite victims that say Trump is for big government etc.
>>72339544
Rand is more useful in the Senate. Where he can filibuster.
>>72339030
I always stood with Rand
Rand talked so much shit about Trump and vice versa. Plus, what does Rand bring to the table in terms of voter demographics?
Nope.
>>72339685
/thread
Its true, has everyone forgotten how much they went after each other? They both hold strong convictions in their views / ideology. I would actually loose respect for Rand if he endorsed Trump, it would mean that he back down from his previous statements.
Still I'd fucking love a DonRan ballet,
>>72339685
Rand is more centrist than his father.
He might have seen the nationalist message and movement that Trump has caused.
Constitutionalists and libertarians should be rallying behind Trump, not because he holds their values 100%, bit because they could have a place in the new party that Trump is creating and form a true Freedom Party consisting of nationalists, libertarians, and constitutionalists instead of social conservative, warmongering, neocons.
Trump/Rand ain't gonna happen, but an endorsement would be welcome.
>>72339842
The manlet vote. There's a lot of overlap with the Mexican demographic, so getting Rand onboard could be a major strategic coup
>>72340032
I agree, but things just didn't pan out that way. I don't know why Rand had such a beef with Trump. Yeah, Trump is crass, but he never really said anything diametrically apposed to a constitutionalist POV. For instance, Rand got mad about Trump going after the families of terrorists, saying that's unconstitutional. But we're talking about foreigners, not americans, and we already do it anyway and it's perfectly legal.
Rand doesn't get that he has far more in disagreement with the Neocons who currently hold power, and throwing his hat in with Trump would be a much wiser option. But being idealistic can be a drawback because it means you can never compromise or find a path forward.
Because Paul, either one of them, are totally and completely unelectable outside the backwards ass Kentucky.
Neither Paul is going to stand silently as Trump becomes the authoritarian we all know he will become either.
>>72340336
The Pauls are autists who won't back anyone who doesn't 100% support their special snowflake ideology
>>72340336
>I don't know why Rand had such a beef with Trump
rand was the anti-establishment candidate before trump showed up
also all that shit about trump saying he'd run third party ect ect ect
It won't happen because it's too good to be true
>>72339030
Dude I fucking wish, but it'd never happen
>>72339030
>http://prntly.com
Stop posting links to this stationery company's blog. Nothing they have published is ever substantiated.
>>72340443
Exactly, that's what I'm saying. But you can't get to point B from point A out of nowhere. It's like the people who countersignal against Trump because he's not a Hitler-style white nationalist. I mean yeah, he's no hitler, but he's the best we got right now, and getting him elected would allow us to move further in that direction. That's how the paulbots should be viewing things. You can't have libertarianism with the neocons still in charge, and you can't have libertarianism with all the mexicans swarming our country and voting for socialist policies.
>>72340654
I seem to recall Trump promising to audit the Fed. Has he repeated that lately or was he just pandering?
If it's really the case, then it's straight up petulant and irresponsible for the Pauls not to get behind Trump imo
>>72340336
That entire statement is wrong.
Going after the families of soldiers, or put another way, assassinating civilians, is called a war crime and is most certainly illegal. The US most certainly does not do that, and if we did, it would never be spoken of (IE, the CIA makes sure you have a heart attack in your London flat)
Another huge issue is Trumps love of mass data collection and NSA spying. Also not cool with Paul.
In short, you can not be nationalist AND libertarian at the same time. Its like saying you are a Democratic Republican
>>72340824
He never mentioned it again. He basically just said it as a free shot at Cruz (who missed the audit the fed vote in the Senate)
>>72340833
We already do it with targeted drone strikes. And it's not a war crime.
Yes, I understand that Trump and Rand are opposed on issues like these. But what I'm saying is that Rand needs to look at the bigger picture. Basically, he can either side with nationalists or with neocons. And there's more to be gained by siding with nationalists.
>>72340250
This is how we get Ben
>>72340654
Why can't you have libertarianism with all the Mexicans? Why can't libertarianism be applied to American citizens without applying to illegal immigrants?
Why is moving "in the direction of Hitler" a good thing? That implies war, socialism, and big government.
>>72343426
>and voting for all the socialist policies
Come on Carl, you dipshit.
>in the direction of Hitler
Deport yourself
Rand Paul would be great for the supreme court
>>72339030
>Trump/Paul would cause me to orgasm immediately wherever I am when I hear its official
Trump is the reason it's a bad combination.
During the republican debates Rand was honestly the only one that spoke any sense in terms of government spying/nsa etc.
Everyone else licked the NSA's boots like a bunch of fucking lapdogs "BUT TERRRRRRISM!!!!"
>>72339417
Dummie, it destroys the whole "he's an authoritiarian fascist" line.
>>72341273
The US does not launch drone strikes on innocent civilians, the targets are classified as enemy combatants.
There is a giant difference between a drone strike on a US Citizen such as Anwar Al Awlaki and a drone strike on a family's house in Gaza because their brother is a bomb maker in Syria
If you cant see that difference you have issues because yes, it is most certainly a war crime. You would be on trial in the Hague for doing that.
>>72340833
>it's like saying you're a democratic republican
nigger that was one of the first parties in america, we're in a demoratic republic right now
>>72339030
I think it's a smart move, Republicans should be backing Trump, not trying to constantly undercut him. Unless they really want Hillary in the White House of course
>>72343938
nice arguments. You sure know a lot of memes. What a big boy!
I didn't say we let the Mexicans in. Libertarianism doesn't say that either. The Libertarian Party, sure, but not libertarian ideology necessarily.
Trump'll appoint Rand as chairman of the federal reserve
>>72344659
>with the neocons still in charge
>The Libertarian Party, sure, but not libertarian ideology necessarily
So the people actually running for positions of power will let them in, but just because the ideology doesn't necessarily say to let them in, that means they won't come in somehow. Brilliant plan.
>>72344177
Lol dummy a substantial portion of drone strikes are on unidentified targets
Quit being a cuck to the international law meme
>>72345021
What the fuck are you rambling about, you argumentative schizoid?
>>72344177
No American will ever stand trial in the Hague
>>72339030
This would be great. Rand shores up trumps weakness. Plus they would have to kill two
>>72345091
I was gonna reply to that post seriously, but clearly your head is too far up you own ass. I mean that's not even a rebuttal or clarification of your point, just you being a retard.
I could see it happening. Trump and Rand tension isn't as big as people imagine. They're golfing buddies. Any tension is political in the sense of he outdid him more so than he hates his guts like I'm sure Yeb! or Rubio and Cruz actually do.
>>72345363
You haven't made an argument YET. Brilliant.
>>72345363
You can be libertarian without being open borders, jackass. It's called putting Americans first. This is something nationalists and libertarians should agree on.
Rand will never endorse Trump.
>>72339842
Isn't the the only Republican invited to speak at the NAACP?
>>72345489
If you can't understand what I'm saying then you're obviously a retard.
>>72345572
Nice double post, faggo.
And I know you can be, but do you really think without a large change to our political system and those in it we'll actually have meaningful changes made? Congress doesn't give a shit about Americans and we need more radical changes than libertarianism would bring. The eventual goal is to adopt those ideologies, but the best way, at this point, of accomplishing that would be a nationalist rise, and then once everything is ordered and organized, then we'll be able to relax and move towards libertarianism.
Ideologues like you really don't help, just because the left is making radical shifts doesn't mean the right and center-right shouldn't make radical moves either.
>>72340833
>In short, you can not be nationalist AND libertarian at the same time. Its like saying you are a Democratic Republican
Holy shit. This is probably the dumbest statement on /pol/ right now.
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>>72345028
That is incorrect. You do not shoot at unidentified targets, ever. That has been against the ROE since the 1980s. The fact an armed drone is even in your neighborhood means they are looking for you.
Yea you are right, international law is all BS. Iran did the right thing taking those US soldiers and video recording them after capture. Totally the ok correct thing to do.
>>72346101
You're a dumb faggot. States' rights solves all the petty cultural disagreements you have with the left.
That's why constitutional libertarianism solves all problems. Our system as it was meant to be was perfect.
>>72346119
This.
My libertarianism ends at the border, after that America first, idealism takes a backseat to realism.
>>72345129
Want to bet if the crime was serious enough, with enough evidence, a future President wouldnt waive the ICC membership requirement and send you anyway?
People wanted it done to W. It was also talked about when Obama started targeting American citizens overseas and treating them as combatants instead of citizens but that went nowhere
>>72339030
>You have 10 seconds to tell me why Trump/Paul is a bad idea
It's not, but Trump/Webb is better
>>72346526
>petty cultural disagreements
You know down well it's more than that at this point. When niggers can burn down cities and have it waved away with "dey wuz oppressed" and "check your privilege" then it's definitely more than just "petty disagreements".
And you're a retard if you think we'll be able to go back to the pre-civil war system of states rights. remember what happened when North Carolina tried to exercise their right to keep men in dresses out of the women's room? The whole country shit on them, trying to violate their states rights. It doesn't even take bloodshed anymore to do that.
We've become more unified as a country, and that comes with positive and negative aspects, such as states not being able to have as much say in how they run themselves. But yet we've become the most powerful nation on the planet.
Like I said before, delusional ideologues like you need to realize we need to look at our system the way it is, more or less one large federal system. I'm not saying take autonomy away from states, just to worry more about our nation as a whole, and not just wave it away with "durr, muh states rights will fix everything".
Seriously, get your head out your own ass and look at the big picture.
>>72347218
>remember what happened when North Carolina tried to exercise their right to keep men in dresses out of the women's room?
Yes, that law is still in effect.
>Seriously, get your head out your own ass and look at the big picture.
I can say the same about you. You want a new Reich so we can line up niggers and SJWs and shoot them all. Guess what, that's genocide and is mostly frowned upon. You will not convince a Christian people that is okay.
>>72347419
What we need is a re-asserting of the 10th amendment so states can agree to disagree. We also need strong local militias to balance out the US military.
Rand and Trump are vastly different people. This would be like a Libertarian endorsing a Democrat.
>>72340833
>you can not be nationalist AND libertarian at the same time
>>72347691
>This would be like a Libertarian endorsing a Democrat.
well we are talking about Rand and Trump, so that's EXACTLY what it is.
>>72347218
>And you're a retard if you think we'll be able to go back to the pre-civil war system of states rights. remember what happened when North Carolina tried to exercise their right to keep men in dresses out of the women's room? The whole country shit on them, trying to violate their states rights.
The law is still in place retard.
Other states are allowed to disapprove and react as they see fit.
>>72339030
This anon have actually spoken to the man, and I simply love him. To me he seemed like a really honest person, I agree with a lot of his views and policies, but I also highly disagree with a lot of them. Can't agree on everything here either. No I think he's a good fella, þó I keep in mind that I am just a mountain monkey on the other side of the sea, and don't have the knowledge you domestic vestheimers have.
Trump trumps this man though, I would love to see him in a suited position in Trumps gov. He's not a lying cunt. Not a cuck in the form that he speaks his mind.
>>72347419
>You want a new Reich so we can line up niggers and SJWs and shoot them all
And that's where I stop arguing with you, because obviously you're a fucking idiot.
>>72347896
I know it's still in place, but the huge fucking backlash from it is not good either. It's been like a fucking month and people are still bitching and boycotting the state over <1% of the population possibly being offended. The state that our country is in right now is allowing that kind of shit where the general populace thinks the feelings of a very small minority is more important that the right of a state to pass laws for its own people.
Honestly I'm surprised Obongo hasn't tried pulling some federal funding shit over this.
>>72344142
That's not even really a line at use.
Trump's only real problem right now is women voters.
>>72348154
also
this is not for me to decide, but you burgers ofc.
These are just my personal opinions posted on an anonymous image board. The dude loves us btw
>>72346852
Nah Webb adds nothing Trump does everything Webb does but better
>>72339030
because they are pretty much opposites politically? trump is big gov rand isnt
its why i would never wont trump and its why they would never run together
>>72348262
No thats very much at use
That would make Rand pretty cool.
>>72344142
Sure how much I agree with the idea that it destroys the 'fascist' leftist insult, but it certainly would give Trump a more tethered to the earth look having a hardline constitutionalist behind him.
Either way, I welcome the endorsement, but wouldn't want him as a VP.
>>72339030
It's a wonderful idea OP.
>>72348755
I'd rather Rand take over and McConnel step down. Better with Carson as VP since he isn't already in govt
>>72340833
As far as I know, the Geneva convention states that it is a crime to kill civilians in time of war but it does not apply to terrorists.
>>72349572
Only applies between nations that are both signed on it. Which is a bit pointless since those nations likely wont be fighting
When will they learn?
>>72348197
You haven't made your position clear yet.
>>72351191
So because I haven't made my position 100% clear, and I disagree with you that must mean I want to gas the niggers and establish the Fourth Reich?
Fuck off.
>>72351180
that's fake
>>72340833
It's only a war crime if you get a conviction, and no US President will ever be convicted of a war crime unless it comes from the Second War of Northern Aggression.
Not only should the families be targeted, but the ISIS capital should be leveled with fire bombs. Al-Raqqah should be turned into Tokyo.
>>72351302
You haven't made an argument YET
LMAO
M
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>>72351353
No, it's not.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2014/03/01/rand-paul-golfs-with-donald-trump/
>>72351871
Rand is less ugly too
>>72343426
you could have pure libertarianism with the mexicans, but that's because pure libertarianism would legalize all drugs to eliminate gang violence. As long as we want to keep drugs illegal, we'll have to build that wall, and that's really all there is to it.
>>72351353
>>72351871
Oh, is that what you meant? Because yeah, Rand was shopped to be shorter.
>>72352090
Border control and immigration policy is not un-libertarian. I don't support global libertarianism.
Trump should get a trans gay nigger disabled jew as VP so they cant call him names
>>72352194
he should make Kyrsten Sinema his running mate just to trigger the left.
>>72344016
HOLY FUCKING SHIT
THIS
PLEASE
>>72339030
It's not a bad idea.
Trump/Webb is better though.
>>72339417
He polled the best among indies and dems while he was running
>>72351302
Short of a revolution, we need more sovereign states.
>>72349837
Then who gives a fuck about ISIS's families. If you kill the terrorists their families will just hate you even more and end up forming yet another terrorist group.
How is Trump's idea bad again?
>>72339030
>announcing an april fools
didn't rand just endorse ted cruz literally a week or two ago
