What if Hillary Clinton wins and stacks the Supreme Court with 4 radical leftwing justices? What if in 8 years they decide:
"A citizen of the United States must exhibit evidence of a specific threat against his or her life to lawfully obtain a firearm"
What would happen?
>>72338944
Communist revolution, of course. End game to the long march. Exactly as planned.
>>72338944
So new york?
>>72338944
>What would happen?
The legislature still have the option of ignoring the ruling of the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court doesn't write or enforce the laws.
>>72340331
>The Supreme Court doesn't write or enforce the laws.
Yes they do, your country adopted the stupid "Common Law" system
>>72338944
She can replace all of the current Supreme Court members, it still wouldn't mean it's over.
>>72338944
Honestly this is my biggest fear. Especially now that King Shitlord Scalia died. And ginsberg and thomas are going to have to die/retire within those 8 years as well. If Hillary wins, it's fucking over. The american dream is dead and SCOTUS will be stacked with more SJW activists and kikes. But if we can get Trump in there, we can fill it with true constitutionalist shitlords and regain the balance of power.
>>72338944
Even at her best she still looks inhuman and reptilian, this is so fucking strange.
>>72341053
>Ginsberg
But isn't she Lefty Jew as fuck?
>>72339087
>this is what ameridiots actually believe
It's not the fucking 50's anymore, McCarthy, Communism is well and truly dead, aside from a few pathetic holdouts in South America. The end game for these establishment fucks is globalization, removal of national borders, the death of nationalism, and the encouragement of race-mixing to produce a homogeneous culture of consumers who are slaves in all but name to their multinational billionaire overlords.
>>72340599
>Yes they do
No, the Supreme Court is the Federal branch of the Appellate court system.
They don't enforce their ruling, the Executive Branch does that.
They don't write the Federal laws, the Legislature does that.
Their rulings in cases could be ignored or unenforced by the Executive Branch. Though this outcome is incompatible with the scenario as presented.
The Legislative could change the laws, but doing so would require a super majority. They also have the power of the purse and could defund the entities that Executive branch would have to use to enforce the laws that the legislature disagrees with.
The Legislature also has the option to censure or impeach the other two branches.
>>72340599
>stupid "Common Law" system
Kek, hues just made cuz he isn't part of the Anglosphere. It's okay, at least you have Dilma right?!
>>72342329
*mad
>>72341847
She is the most moderate Dem on the court. While she mostly sides with the left she is a cross over much like Kennedy is for the Republicans
>>72338944
A series of assassination attempts
>>72341847
>But isn't she Lefty Jew as fuck?
Yeah, but imagine if we got another Kagan or Sotomayor?
>>72342024
The global government will be neo-Stalinist.
Honestly, until someone finds a sensible solution to stop mass shootings and to diminish regular shootings, every time those things happen, guns will be closer to being banned. Citing the 2nd amendment and saying there will be a revolution, will not be helpful.
My solution (just an idea): A gun is an instrument specifically designed to kill. It should be treated wi the proper care and respect. Therefore only adults should own one. Now here is the interesting part. A person should be considered an adult only if he gets the proper military training, where they get their entire ego that they developed during childhood, torn to pieces by the DIs, and where they will be so humiliated and insulted in such a way that they couldn't experience such a thing in their entire rest of their life. That will guaranty that they will never pull out a gun when having an argument with someone, or in any other situations that are not a direct threat to their lives. They will enter training as grown children and will exist being a true disciplined adult, which can control his temper and emotions, and know when to and how to properly use a gun.
If a person regularly brakes the law, even in meaningless ways, they should be sent back to training, since they don't have the proper discipline to be allowed to use a gun any more. If they still brake the law after the second training, they should be banned from owning any guns again.
As I said, this is just an idea, which probably needs improvements. But we have to start somewhere.
>Hillary
>winning the White House against Trump
The indictment is going to be glorious, I'm going to pop open a nice bottle of Cabernet that my family's had for 2 decades when it happens.
>>72338944
A civil war where one side mostly doesn't know how to properly shoot a firearm.
>>72338944
>4 radical leftwing justices
If Republicans want to fuck around with nominations then they deserve what they get if Hillary wins.
Ignoring the other question because it is a retarded hypothetical.
>>72341847
She's not a lefty. She's a whore for whatever corporate interests will pay her the most.
>>72342744
SHALL
>>72342646
Stalinist =/= communist, my friend. I agree it will be totalitarian, but the specific ideas and policies associated with communism with never again take root, and you're a fool if you spend your time battling an enemy that's already a phantom of the past.
>>72343029
NOT
>>72343029
BAN
>>72342744
>every time those things happen, guns will be closer to being banned.
>gypsies in charge of American politics
>>72342797
>bottle of Cabernet for 2 decades
That will taste like shit, leaving shit in a bottle for more than two weeks will contaminate it. Alcohol ages in barrels not bottles.
>>72343124
INFRINGED
>>72343124
ALLOWED
>>72338944
Something is gonna get blown up
>>72342744
>But we have to start somewhere.
No, we don't. There isn't a "mass shooting" problem. The only problem we have is gang warfare and no amount of gun control has ever put a dent in that.
>>72338944
> "A citizen of the United States must exhibit evidence of a specific threat against his or her life to lawfully obtain a firearm"
> implying they would be so generous
They'd more than likely would just kill the 2nd, say only a militia, aka the national guard, has those rights and citizens can just suck on it, and any notion of self defense or preservation.
>>72343134
Enjoy not having guns than, nigger.
>>72342744
Eat a dick fucking gypsy.
>>72343337
Fuck off Romania
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0DO0XyS8Ko
>>72343237
You would't have gangs if the members would go boot camp.
>>72343111
>>72343164
Gyppos are banned ITT. GTFO.
>>72343465
Lol you have no idea how our country works, gyp pls go
>>72343465
>You would't have gangs if the members would go boot camp.
WOW, YOU'RE RIGHT. If the criminals chose to do something other than commit crime, then the crime would stop. Why hasn't anyone thought of that before?
Give this Romanian a Nobel Peace Prize immediately.
>>72343337
>implying they know about my guns
>implying they could find them if they did
>implying pro-gun support isn't at its highest point in decades
SHALL
>>72343586
NOT
>hillary
>radical left
My fucking sides. Maybe on a few social issues, even then barely.
>>72338944
sic semper tyrannis
>>72343630
OWN
>>72342024
So.... The exact same endgame as communism then.
>>72343134
It's true. With virtually every mass shooting, and with more pedestrian shootings, the mass media comes out with a wave of anti gun propaganda tailored to make people kill off any sense of gun rights and self defense.
Even as shootings go down year after year, it doesn't matter because as they become more rare, that rareness, the fact it's not normal is what makes it newsworthy.
And because they are so entwined in emotional response, they almost always override any rational discourse about the subject, and anything that's not just a blind support for more gun control gets shit like "what about the children? " "gun nut" "NRA nazi racist" "what about my right to life?"
Emotional argument, not rational, and it's hard to prevent it.
>>72338944
>What would happen?
Her body would be swinging from the washington monument and her head would be on display in the National Mall as a reminder of the punishment for treason
>Nigger gets elected
>More people buy guns than ever before
>Now America has more gun owners than any time in it's history
>Some cunt everyone hates tries to tell all these people they are defacto criminals
>Libshits actually think the police or military would enforce these laws
Revolution 2.0 - this time we purge the niggers for good
>>72342744
You'd think Romanians of all people would understand how illegal arms trafficking works...
>>72338944
probably 40,000 people in a angry mob with guns. rushing the white house.
>>72343895
Every time these politicians threaten to infringe on constitutional rights, people go out and buy more guns. It's like they want it to happen.
>>72343699
What would a commie gyp know about freedom anyway? Country has never been independent or important.
>>72343664
she is right liberian in my opinion that mean that she is on behalf of the big industry corporations and her social projects are only a trap ...
>>72343895
Every mass shooting since Sandy hook has created a stronger pro gun lobby and more support for individual firearm ownership. You can see this in gun sales and the dramatic increase in ccw holders over the last several years.
>>72343630
>>72343586
>>72343561
Your country will become more liberal with each day passing. A fucking full on socialist got a ton of votes and support from the young people. The constitution is nothing more than a bunch of words on a piece of paper. With a big enough majority, liberals will start changing it. The problem with guns is the idiots who use them. I nearly suggested a way to make the general population less retarded and more disciplined. An undisciplined and untrained person should NEVER own a gun. The life of a person should not be in the hands of morons who can go and buy a gun from Walmart and start shooting anyone who gets them mad.
>>72342744
Vee?
>>72344237
>my feelings. Ablooo bloo bloo
What part of shall not be infringed is so difficult for shitskins to understand?
Some conservative states will still find a way to get around it without overriding the Supreme Court - so no, nothing major would happen unless they repeal the 2nd (and this would require 38 states' approval).
>>72338944
>President Andrew Jackson reportedly responded: "John Marshall has made his decision; now let him enforce it!"
>>72344237
>Your country will become more liberal with each day passing.
Then why is public support of more gun control law at a record low and still falling?
>>72342744
>If a person regularly brakes the law, even in meaningless ways, they should be sent back to training
>girl says your yelled at her
>you could not own guns
Think again.
>inb4 women should not mend with politics
Then gun "problem" will literally evaporate itself.
Do you honestly think the Military will back "leave 4 people behind" Clinton. Service men and women need to know someone will come rescue them.
>>72344039
>>72344129
It's mostly the same people which already owned guns, or people who were not quite sure if they needed one, but were definitely not against guns.
The biggest weakness of americans is their arrogance. The simple fact that there even is a discussion about not respecting the second amendment should have you worried. And the reality is much worse than that, with anti-gun laws starting to appear throughout the country. But you are too blinded by your own arrogance.
>>72344879
Why are you so mad that I have a gun?
>>72343237
>The only problem we have is gang warfare and no amount of gun control has ever put a dent in that.
Dude, it could be easily solved. But solution would be called "racist". This is your problem your bent over for affirmative action.
>>72344879
You should stop watching the mainstream media.
The faggot hipsters and kikes on CNN aren't the majority of people in this nation.
>>72344459
What feelings you stupid inbred nigger? Can't you read english? Liberals are going to fuck your right, and you are too stupid to do anything except use memes and say "shall not be infringed" over and over like a fucking broken record.
>>72344879
>I know literally nothing about American politics or gun laws
Gun laws have been getting consistently looser for at least two decades. The ATF is getting btfo in court about the mg registry as we speak., Another state just voted in constitutional carry by a huge margin like a day ago, and there are no anti gun bills on the federal level at all.
>>72344958
How did you come to that conclusion? I'm clearly not agains guns.
>Hillary Clinton
>radical leftwing
wut
>>72345252
>x is going to happen despite the opposite of x happening consistently for decades
I can't even express how Ill-informed you are. Seriously consider reading a book.
>>72345020
>Dude, it could be easily solved. But solution would be called "racist". This is your problem your bent over for affirmative action.
We know. We just don't have the option that you guys had with the Chechens.
>>72343845
True communism (aka USSR one) had some strict presumptions. Most important is need to abolish private property . Which by the Marx is literally a crime. You own private property = you are the criminal. That new globalist "communism" is different thing, and this is why it is more dangerous. USSR marxism communism tripped over over its ridiculous religious dogmatics and was impractical.
>>72345287
> Failing to see the bigger picture
You have liberals in your country. Their numbers are growing. Liberals vote based on their current mood and feelings. It may be good now, but any law can change when there is a sufficient majority. Not having a plan to combat the taking away of rights is not smart.
>>72344091
The nazi gets it , give this fucker a shot of jack daniels and a sam adams.
>>72338944
>tfw the US would still be less cucked than the UK even in a worst-case scenario
Pic found on Google related.
>>72343281
I don't even have a gun but if they did that I would join a militia and assault DC
>>72345792
>We just don't have the option that you guys had with the Chechens.
Chechens are Russian niggers and they have affirmative action too. Ramzan is literally gangbanger who become a president of gangbanger republic. The horror.
>>72344237
Most of us are trained , if we ever have someone who knows how to use a weapon properly attempt something , we might have a problem.
Nobody wants to take away your guns. What we need liberal justices for is campaign finance reform and civil rights.
>>72344237
Also , the fuckers who do end up shooting people do so with illegally obtained weapons .
>>72345900
>europoors actually believe this
Once again, you're an idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. It takes an incredibly overwhelming majority to amend the constitution. It's not exactly a "maybe we should just vote to ban guns while we're here" kind of thing.
>>72346014
Everyone with a legal firearm in the UK, is on a government watch list.
>>72342744
>Honestly, until someone finds a sensible solution to stop mass shootings and to diminish regular shootings, every time those things happen, guns will be closer to being banned.
What about vehicular deaths? Assault with other deadly weapons? Why is it that only when someone is killed with a firearm is there any media attention? As an aside, why is there only attention to white on black homicide when it is such a small percentage?
The problem is with the mental health of perpetrators. Inanimate objects are not responsible for their actions.
>My solution (just an idea): A gun is an instrument specifically designed to kill.
Not all firearms are designed to kill. Firearms are designed to fire a projectile accurately.
>It should be treated *with proper care and respect.
Correct.
>Therefore only adults should own one.
Anyone who is can give informed consent has the right to own a firearm.
>Now here is the interesting part. A person should be considered an adult only if he gets the proper military training, where they get their entire ego that they developed during childhood, torn to pieces by the DIs, and where they will be so humiliated and insulted in such a way that they couldn't experience such a thing in their entire rest of their life.
>That will guaranty that they will never pull out a gun when having an argument with someone, or in any other situations that are not a direct threat to their lives.
That will not guarantee only legal use of firearms and is absolutely heinous. Are you going to take every child away from their parents because they could grow up and kill someone with their bare hands?
>They will enter training as grown children and will exist being a true disciplined adult, which can control his temper and emotions, and know when to and how to properly use a gun.
It is the parent's responsibility to raise their children.
>>72346313
You keep saying that, but every democrat in office and every democrat running specifically says they're coming after guns. Hillary, SPECIFICALLY, has said that she intends to use executive orders and supreme court appointments to do it.
She's literally flat out stated it. Repeatedly.
>>72338944
Well seeing as how our country has a checks and balances system, the legislative branch has many options to block tyrannical acts like that.
However, there would probably be a revolution if that happened. The military is also full of the most gun toting, 2nd amendment loving people in this country.
>>72346338
>It takes an incredibly overwhelming majority to amend the constitution
So practically like any other country. All it takes is the right circumstances, a poorly informed population, and a bunch of politicians with good speeches.
>>72346556
She doesn't want to take guns from law-abiding, mentally healthy citizens. She wants to keep them out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.
>>72343664
Sanders is Authoritarian. He wants bigger government and more control to steal wealth of others and give to the scroungers.
>>72344039
Except it's by people who generally already have guns, the percentage of households with guns hasn't gone up, it's declined and is only around 30%, from 50% during the 60s. It's just more guns into a smaller pool of people, a concentration of them.
If gun owners really want to keep gun culture going, they either need to reproduce more and have their kids be gun owners, or they need to have those households go up.
It won't do us any good until we can reverse the trend and have gun ownership as a proportion of population/households go up, not just number of guns available in circulation.
>>72346762
And yet here we are with overwhelming support for gun rights
>>72344129
Number of guns sold doesn't matter, it's gun ownership in terms of percentage of population that does, and that's been on a long decline.
And Sandy Hook gave rise to a plethora of anti gun organizations which didn't exist before, and strengthen those that did.
The NRA might have increased its membership, but it'd getting fucking raped on the PR front. The NRA is seen as a joke, and is losing the war of hearts, minds and memes.
>>72346949
Do you have a source on those numbers that aren't self reported? Nobody I know is going to admit having guns to someone collecting data on such things. Shit, I'll bet the number of felons alone who own guns and can't admit it would raise than number
>>72346949
>they either need to reproduce more
Not a problem. Liberals are the ones taking themselves out of the gene pool, at least the white liberals anyways. Niggers may be niggers, but they wouldn't support gun grabbing.
>>72338944
still be gettin my dick sucked
>>72338944
Daughter already said that is her plan exactly
>>72342024
muh globalizxation mufugga
>>72347232
>it's gun ownership in terms of percentage of population that does, and that's been on a long decline.
Post numbers. You're full of shit.
>>72346014
And they say that they care about the lives of its citizens.
"Hey, your in danger, but we don't give a shit, and you better not try to defend yourself if they do come for you. Just accept your death with the knowledge you didn't break our laws."
>>72338944
I think I'm gonna vote for Hillary to watch her take away the right's guns.
It'd be pretty funny. I mean either I'll laugh at the right for being cucks or we'll get a full scale revolution.
>mfw people think she's going to win
>>72346313
Bull fucking shit. There's plenty of talks about putting judges in place to overturn DC vs Heller so they can put in outright bans again and take down the concept of a "individual right for gun ownership" It's right up there with Citizens United as what they want reversed.
Just because they haven't been able to pass gun control doesn't mean they haven't been trying to kill it as much as possible.
>>72342882
>If Republicans want to fuck around with nominations then they deserve what they get if Hillary wins.
I always love this "the Republicans are the wrong ones when the two parties can't agree" meme. It's really popular in the leftist controlled mainstream media too.
>>72346014
Why you Brits haven't hung your government officials by the lampposts I will never understand
>>72346386
> What about vehicular deaths? Assault with other deadly weapons? Why is it that only when someone is killed with a firearm is there any media attention? As an aside, why is there only attention to white on black homicide when it is such a small percentage?
> The problem is with the mental health of perpetrators. Inanimate objects are not responsible for their actions.
Totally agree, but try and get that in the heads of anti-gun liberals.
> Not all firearms are designed to kill. Firearms are designed to fire a projectile accurately.
If not for sport, then they are designed for killing. And if you play the sports angle, the liberals will say guns should be allowed only in special places, like firing ranges.
> Anyone who is can give informed consent has the right to own a firearm.
But getting training before owning one, is not infringing on their rights.
> That will not guarantee only legal use of firearms and is absolutely heinous. Are you going to take every child away from their parents because they could grow up and kill someone with their bare hands?
Other objects are not as effective as a gun, tbqh. You can run away from a fist/knife fight. But a gun can be deadly at a distance, which makes the ruling away part, impractical. And also, I am for everyone to go through boot camp at least once in their lives, even if they will not have the obligation to go to war. It good and it's the only way to solve the cucking of america.
> It is the parent's responsibility to raise their children.
You'll rethink that after Cletus Jr. shoots and kills someone you know, because Cletus Sr. was a drunken moron who didn't raise his kid properly. Justice will be served, but your friend/child/wife will still be dead.
>>72342744
>0.009% of Americans die in gun related homicides, accidents and suicides
>gun problem
Pick one you dirty gypsy.
>>72338944
State revolt. They have not been able to stack all the state senates with Jews and traitors and I doubt they would be able in the future.
>>72338944
>the fact when enough butthurt bernie supporters vote for Trump just to spite Clinton
They will probably support the democratic candidate based solely on party politics, regardless of the fact that she is the corporate candidate.
>>72343465
Implying America doesn't already have a problem with gang members going into military to learn combat techniques and take them back and teach their homies.
>>72338944
What happened last time?
Can the Supreme Court overrule their previous findings of DC v. Heller or something?
>>72344237
Edumacate yourself, gypsy
https://www.nraila.org/gun-laws/armed-citizen/
>>72348241
China, please. Nobody cares about your stupidity. Go skin a live dog or whatever you """people""" do.
My point was entirely based on how liberal anti-gun americans with the right to vote, view the situation. Not on how it actually is. Every happening is completely blown out of proportions by the liberal media, and the liberals buy it. Being in denial about the fact that there are groups in america that want to ban guns, will be the main reasons why guns will some day be banned.
>>72341847
>"I would not look to the U.S. Constitution, if I were drafting a Constitution in the year 2012. I might look at the Constitution of South Africa," says Ginsburg, whom President Clinton nominated to the court in 1993. "That was a deliberate attempt to have a fundamental instrument of government that embraced basic human rights, had an independent judiciary. … It really is, I think, a great piece of work that was done. Much more recent than the U.S. Constitution."
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/ginsburg-likes-s-africa-as-model-for-egypt/
>>72346808
It's really concerning that you think that
>>72348174
>they have guns and we don't
You did read the image right?
>>72343237
>we have is gang warfare and no amount of gun control
It actually would
I just dont give a shit
>>72341847
Yeah. And she's gonna die soon. The point I'm making is that if hilldog is president, she'll replace her with along lefty jew that will be on the court for another 40 years. But if Trump is in there, jewsburg gets replaced with someone else.
>>72348698
You are COMPLETELY missing the point. You think I am anti gun. What a fucking moron. Eskimos sure are stupid. Go and build an igloo, until your brain gets completely frozen.
>>72348779
>the right to vote, view the situation
You cant just vote to ban guns
You need to enforce that ban
>>72338944
>basically gutting the second amendment and probably other far left 'progressive' bullshit rulings
>What would happen?
a lot of people would die
>>72349201
>You think I am anti gun.
>want to restrict guns
>not anit gun
Back to your sewer
>>72349201
If you want more restrictions put on obtaining guns then you are anti-gun.
>>72347956
babby's first election eh? have fun little buddy.
>>72343909
can i join
>>72348618
Isn't bootcamp supposed to brake you? How would a gang member withstand the phycological pressure, considering they get ticked off even by people who wear different colors. How could they not show their power level and get kicked out?
>>72349811
We have been waiting over 200 years for you cousin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vST6hVRj2A
>>72348216
>If not for sport, then they are designed for killing. And if you play the sports angle, the liberals will say guns should be allowed only in special places, like firing ranges.
I'm not playing any angle, just stating a fact about the designs of firearms.
>But getting training before owning one, is not infringing on their rights.
No it is not, unless you are forcing them to.
>Other objects are not as effective as a gun, tbqh.
Obviously.
>You can run away from a fist/knife fight.
Not always, and people getting stabbed or knocked out before they have any time to react is not uncommon.
>But a gun can be deadly at a distance, which makes the ruling away part, impractical.
Less practical but possible. Also, knifes and hands are more effective in CQC.
>And also, I am for everyone to go through boot camp at least once in their lives, even if they will not have the obligation to go to war. It good and it's the only way to solve the cucking of america.
It is not the only way. Again, parents raising their children is the best way to avoid these tragedies.
>You'll rethink that after Cletus Jr. shoots and kills someone you know, because Cletus Sr. was a drunken moron who didn't raise his kid properly. Justice will be served, but your friend/child/wife will still be dead.
If Celtus Sr. is a drunken moron not raising his children, he should be put in jail and his children should go into foster care.
Cletus Jr. would probably not be anywhere near anyone I know for socioeconomic reasons, nor is it likely he would have cause to shoot someone I know. Even more unlikely is that he would be successful, and not killed in self defense. If he was successful, I would be sad and he would be punished. However, there is no method of avoiding that possibility. No amount of training or conditioning will grantee that no crimes would ever be committed, and I would rather not give up so much of my children's liberty for such a small amount of security.
>>72349521
>>72349655
WTF!? Getting training is not the same thing as restricting guns. Real life is not call of duty.
>>72347360
>>72347567
http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gun%20Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/fewer-and-fewer-americans_b_7382326.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/number-of-households-with-guns-on-the-decline-study-shows/
http://www.newsweek.com/us-gun-ownership-declines-312822
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/03/05/america-has-more-guns-in-fewer-hands-than-ever-before%E2%80%8B/
>>72349886
Boot camp today is not what it was 15 years ago. PC and liberalism has invaded the military to the point of DI's getting court marshaled for psychological torment. The days of R. Lee Ermy Full Metal Jacket are gone
>>72343909
>>72350236
>no numbers on last 6 years
>>72350559
>http://www.norc.org/PDFs/GSS%20Reports/GSS_Trends%20in%20Gun%20Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf
>Ownership_US_1972-2014.pdf
>1972-2014
>6 years
A fucking leaf.
>>72350142
yes it is
It is a restriction on people that dont feel like getting training
I dont think you know what SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED means
>>72343053
>commie detected
Communism will forever be an unforgivable blight on the human species. It's the black plague of memes.
>>72350236
>all self reported
Gee, what a coincidence that self reported gun ownership drops while mistrust of the state grows
>>72343422
How does Romania have so many beautiful whores when all of their men look like they do in the videos?
The whores can't all be fucking tourists can they?
>>72342024
China??
>>72342744
Here's an idea, stop disenfranchising the white males who snap and are commonly responsible for these shootings with feminism, shitty economy, multiculturalism, etc.
>>72342744
> A person should be considered an adult only if he gets the proper military training,
Please tell me you're joking.
The military (at least the unwashed enlisted mass) is full of the most irresponsible, childish, dumb, underachieving, lazy and dense selection of the united states population that we have.
You'd be better off making it mandatory for every school to teach firearms safety in the 5th grade or equivalent.
>>72350326
> DI's getting court marshaled for psychological torment
That's pretty bad for the future of your military. Psychological training is one of the most important things you should get out of bootcamp. Those kids will be fucked in the heat of battle. Better start developing military robots.
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>more laws against guns
>more illegal guns end up in the country
good job guys
>>72351003
This is like the argument feminists use to explain how 90% of women are raped and men are all dogs, but don't worry about the actual numbers guys, women just don't like reporting crimes.
Fuck you, bring up some actual numbers instead of unfalsifiable bullshit "Everyone is in a secret club"
Even if it were true, there's no way to prove it, and it absolutely allows people to stomp all over it because they don't care.
You want to push back, stand up tall and proud and say "I'm a fucking gun owner"
It's absolutely in decline, you're in fucking denial and it's what allows the media to fucking make a complete mockery of you retarded fucks.
Maybe gun rights should be striped if you people who support it are this fucking blind and stupid and fucking cowardly while having guns.
>>72338944
people will start voting from the rooftops
>>72351819
fuck off nigger.
>>72351819
If you're so sure that those numbers are realistic, feel free to start a thread on /k/ asking who would be willing to answer yes on a formal survey asking if they own firearms. The answer will be at least a fair number of firearm owners saying fuck off. The links you left even mentioned portions of the population refusing to answer that question outright, let alone those who lied.
The fact that firearm laws keep getting looser and similar surveys have been showing majority support for gun rights is evidence that either I'm right or a fair portion of the population can't obtain firearms even though they vote pro-gun.
>>72352605
Excellent response. How did you master such incredible debate skills.
How many people have you managed to come to the pro-gun side with "Fuck off retard."
>>72352925
I'm not here to convince anyone with anything.
If it comes down to it I'm the one with the gun and you are the one who is dead.
>>72351999
That gun looks scary we should ban it.
>>72352616
>The fact that firearm laws keep getting looser
Yeah, go tell that to people living in NY and California.
It's overall stayed pretty steady state. Southern states have gotten more lax as blue states have cracked down.
Look, gun ownership is in decline, even if there's a part missing I doubt it's going to make up for that ~20% gap, I doubt it's still at 50% and we just don't know it. Maybe it's like 35% instead of 32%, but it's not that off.
And gun owners are only going to be harming themselves by making them seem like a smaller group than they are, when they should be trying to make themselves appear larger.
Gun owners need to stand up and be counted so that anti gun shills like Bloomberg, Clinton, de Blasio and others can get a clear message and have to reassess themselves.
It's too easy to convince swaths of people to help kill off a population already in decline, it's to easy to use it to infect people's minds with that sort of thinking.
Gun owners need to become more aware of the PR and collective sort of propaganda that's being used to slowly destroy them, and their refusal to even fight back against the constant ourpour of liberal studies saying that gun ownership is in decline, that defensive gun use is a myth, that guns kill kill kill, will end up biting them in the ass.
>>72353027
>I'm not here to convince anyone with anything.
And that's your problem, that's the problem with most gun owners and why they'll eventually strip our fucking rights away, because you're not trying to convince people, and the other side is actively doing so.
You're losing the ideas war. You keep pretending you can just ignore it and it'll just go away, but it's not. It's coming. The way things are going, Clinton is getting elected, and the 2nd is in serious jepoardy along with the guns you own since they can start implimenting straight up bans again, while the media paints you as a fat incestuous bible thumping hick.
You guys are going to get the swift boat treatment, especially since you're responding about as well as John Kerry did to it.
>>72354010
Federal laws are getting looser by the day. State laws as well except for a few places and even in those places they haven't gotten worse recently. Believe what you'd like but it doesn't make sense for gun laws to be the loosest they've been in 50+ years and loosening while ownership is in decline. The only explanation is that either people are lying or they support individual firearm ownership while not actually owning guns for whatever reason.
>shillary
>leftist
>>72354377
See. You lack reading comprehension.
I'm not HERE. as in 4chan where 95% of the board population probably doesn't even want to or own guns and probably doesn't even vote.
IRL I do everything I can to introduce firearms to people as much as possible.
4 of my past girlfriends are all now progun and used to either be noguns or anti-guns, 3/4 of them now own at least one of their own weapons if not more.
My wife has just as many guns as I do.
My oldest son just got his first rifle and my youngest has two bb guns and will probably end up being even more interested in guns than the older one.
I teach at the LGR for youth classes.
I constantly encourage my friends and family to come to my quarterly shoot
I discuss guns at the office and the workplace.
I open carry when I'm on my way to the land to shoot and often times it comes up as a conversation topic.
Clintion has far less power than what she appears to have. She's the devil incarnate and even far left libs know that which is why so many of them are butthurt that the Bernout is losing so badly because he was the lesser of two evils.
The 2nd is in no, way shape or form in jeopardy if gun proliferation is as high as it is now and continues to grow as it has over the last 8 years.
The 2nd amendment will only die in the united states when the united states ceases to exist as a country and the only way that happens is if the government tries to violate that right in the first place. So at that point all the "laws" go out the window and only your natural rights remain which includes everything and everything.
>>72338944
Hillary would be a great target.
>Anyone saying guns should be banned
>Printed guns will be commonplace within the decade and almost as easily bought as a dose of your preferred drug, once the cartels/gangs/etc., get their hands on sufficiently capable 3D printers
>Software limitations on the printers won't matter because they can be hacked
>Hardware limitations won't matter because they will be modified
>Material limitations won't matter because there won't be an effective way to distinguish legal industrial use of basic materials from the illegal
>>72355297
This too.
They may be crude but guns can be made with plumbing supplies found at your local hardware store.
The only limitation to these arms are tight tolerances and rifled barrels.
>>72355016
Hey, if that's the case, then good on you. We could use more like you then to convince people to take up guns and/or at least be more accepting of gun owners.
Maybe you've just had more luck because I know people who've tried and failed to convince a lot of their other friends and family.
I'm more concerned about it because I see most news outlets just openly rehash whatever comes out of the Brady campaign, VPC, Moms against guns or any openly anti gun group, while suppressing any pro gun points of view, or vetting them so only the most absurd and crazy get through to paint gun owners and crazy and dangerous.
Maybe it's from living in Illinois too, since it feels like they're constantly trying to push back against whatever gun rights exist here, so I'm more sensitive for it.
I'm glad you're out there doing your part, we need more of you guys, but I still think Clinton's going to have a pretty good chance at victory, and if she does, gun rights are in a serious, serious fucking position, where all sorts of bullshit will be legitimized. Assault Weapons bans, mag size limits, general bans on rifles, no concealed carry recip, bans of gun stores, ect.
>>72338944
https://www.booster.com/alltheway
>>72355645
>Maybe you've just had more luck because I know people who've tried and failed to convince a lot of their other friends and family.
In my experience only the most stubborn, closed minded and pussified leftists won't concede.
A majority of people's fear with guns is UNFAMILIARITY. Once you show them that the gun is a 100% safe, fun, deliberate, functional and accurate tool you can alleviate 80% of their fear. The rest of that fear has to be eliminated with common sense and logical thinking which sadly is both the hardest part and the least commonly accepted part of my program if you will. So that usually always comes after they've gotten addicted to slinging lead at targets.
>Maybe it's from living in Illinois too
Your state is infested with niggers and leftists. Abandon it and let it implode on itself. Once the law abiding white man leaves who else will they have left to blame?
>Clinton's going to have a pretty good chance at victory, and if she does, gun rights are in a serious, serious fucking position,
Even if she does win the presidency she has to work through a lot more shit than she can deal with right now.
Both the House and the Senate are republican owned and one of the most powerful lobbying forces in the country is the NRA which is the one and only reason I've donated to it.
On top of that the main thing keeping our gun rights secure in the first place is the fact that there are so many of them and that we have ready access to them - the damage has already been done and there is nothing they can do about it in the short term. I think I will probably be long dead before they get anywhere with gun legislation and that is why in my opinion it's much better to start with the youth now and show them that guns are in fact a useful right that should be given the proper reverence and not scary indiscriminate killing machines that only belong in videogames and in the hands of the military and police.
I'm so hopeing gun grabbers start. Then we will have the Purge and a happening all at once.
>>72350236
Hahahahahaha. I lost all my guns and ammo yesterday. Dumb asses will be the dead ones.
How many US Jews will give up their guns? Or did they forget the work will set you free slogan.
>>72351598
Complete agreed. That's why I and many of my Bros are leaving the military after 12 years
