Throughout my entire life, I was taught in school by my cuck teachers that nationalsim was evil and dangerous. My history teachers all the way from middle-school to college told us that nationalism was what gave rise to Nazi Germnay and racist Italy. I was condiitioned to believe that we should embrace the global community and shun the nation state. Donald Trump is breaking the conditioning. The United States of America will defy the globalist agenda and become nationalist. We will invest in our nation state and rise to the pinnacle of civilization once again.
I can't believe he said this
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L2QmClRt9AQ
>>72324506
*Fascist Italy. But I guess they were racist too
What the fuck would he know about happiness and harmony? He sounds like a god damn hippy.
The United States isn't a nationstate. There is no "nation" involved.
>>72324776
Trump is a very happy guy. He gives lots of money to charity cases and registry helps common people whenever he can. He's just mad as hell right now that this country is going to shit
>>72324841
Cuck
>>72324930
not an argument.
god bless this man
shills btfo
globalists btfo
>>72324584
Fascism in Italy was actually a fascinating devevolpment, wich is why despite the historical revisionism people still find it hard to really hate it the way Germany hates Nazism.
For a country like Italy, so shattered and divided between multiple cultures and even languages, Mussolini managed to unite them all under a given banner and promote national pride instead of the usual bickering between nord, middle and south.
>>72325150
I hear a lot about Italian unification but I've had a hard time finding a good account of the whole process.
>>72324841
faggot cocksucker
nobody is arguing; we are simply pointing out the obvious.
Its funny how the US has been the main pusher of globalism since forever. Trump wants power and to the US govt power is global dominance. The US will never stop the globalist agenda until the people here accept that we don't have to be world police.
>>72324506
Globalism is good as long as everyone else conforms to American values.
>>72324997
"One nation under God"
U from Reddit?
>>72325667
I don't think the people here want to be the world police anymore
Let the happenings happen
We will be watching from an ocean away
If anyone fucks with us they die
Europe will be forced to stand on its own (those cucks hate us anyway)
>>72325890
Well, they don't conform to American values. And many of them simply won't. So there's the end of that dream.
>>72326025
Wow it's almost like the definition of the word "nation" alone is somewhat controversial and open to debate.
What I meant was that, in the context of the word "nation state," the U.S.A is not a "nation," but it is a "state." And this is true.
>>72326265
Even worse. Now we are told To conform to everyone else's values. (Islam, Eurofaggotry, socialism)
>>72324506
How can an American even be a "nationalist"? There is no such thing as an American nation.
>>72324506
Civic nationalism is good; ethnic nationalism is bad. This is why Europe is bringing in all the refugees. They need a to balance the younger population with the older; and as the immigrants breed with the natives, their mixed children undermine the legitimacy of an ethnic German or ethnic Frenchman. This enables them to transition from ethnic nationalism to civic nationalism, which is more stable and better able to integrate new citizens.
>>72326329
It really doesn't matter man. The world is falling into the bottomless pit of socialism and degeneracy and you want to argue semantics?
>>72326419
>This is why Europe is bringing in all the refugees. They need a to balance the younger population with the older; and as the immigrants breed with the natives, their mixed children undermine the legitimacy of an ethnic German or ethnic Frenchman
So cuck your own people for the sake of "progress"? No thanks, maybe some of us don't want the world to be an indistinguishable shade of brown
>>72326419
Ethnic nationalism is much more stable. Importing people to try and sustain an economic and social welfare system that is by design unsustainable is the problem, not a cohesive ethnic identity. Were it not for the meme of infinite growth constantly being pushed and the policies structured around it a decline in population would be beneficial to the people of a nation and allow for infinitely better long term stability.
>>72326484
>The world is falling into the bottomless pit of socialism and degeneracy
That's funny considering it is unchecked global capitalism that is destroying the middle class of this country.
>>72326419
Do you think you can unite vastly different races, ethnicities, and religious groups under the flag of "civic nationalism" and have that transform into a top-tier first world country with a strong culture? Has this ever happened?
Especially when you're adding groups into the mix that are lower trust, lower IQ, and more tribalistic? Do you think they will be converted in large numbers to civic nationalism?
I don't get why people are so weird about nationalism. Do they hate self-determination and freedom? Do they like living in a sham democracy? It gives a nation drive, and its communities social glue. It has always been successful and produced prosperity and a place to belong. It is a force for true progress and true liberty.
But now it's a problem because the Germans, true to form, took it too far.
RRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>72325255
It's been over shadowed because hitler n sheeit
>>72324506
WE'RE BREAKING THE CONDITIONING
>>72326329
If anything, you guys are a nation but not a state. How can you be a state when you're composed of 50 states? You also have many different folks (like most other nations anyway), but they're all in this together. State is just an administrative entity. Nation is a common spirit of the people.
>>72326821
People are afraid of "white nationalism"
White nationalism is what built some of the greatest empires and nations the world has ever seen
>>72326652
America could be socialist if we became nationalist and got rid of everyone currently on welfare. We just need a population where 90% of the people work
>>72327023
>Thinks cucked 12 yo Nazi Germany is one of the "greatest empires in history".
Please tell me more about these made-up white nationalist empires.
>>72324841
Faggot globalist. Go read a book on the subject
>>72327012
>If anything, you guys are a nation but not a state. How can you be a state when you're composed of 50 states?
Stupid question. The U.S. "States" are not sovereign states. They are subdivisions of the U.S. "state" under a federalist system. The U.S. itself qualifies as a "state" in terms of I.R, but it certainly does not qualify as a "nation".
>>72327309
Britain. I never said the nazis were an empire
>>72327396
How and when was Britain "white nationalist"?
>>72327368
listen, pal, I don't need you to lecture me on the definition of a state as compared to a nation. I have a formal education on these matters. The U.S. is, by definition, a state and not a nation.
You have ten (10) seconds to come up with a human force more powerful than American nationalism.
>>72327498
From roughly around 1600-1940
British identified under their nation
Most were white (not counting colonial subjects)
British had great pride in their empire
British empire put Britain's interests first
>>72327640
Multicultural globalism aimed at enforcing social justice
>>72324506
>globalism is bad
>coming from the man that has his businesses spread across the globe
Wew lad
>>72327675
Nationalist does not necessarily equate to white nationalism.
They identified as British first and foremost, not "white people". "White nationalism" suggests that they made their empire on the basis of advancing the interests of skin color, as opposed to national origin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ciNuANH0uM
>>72327880
The problem with civic nationalism is that whoever gets control of it (Jews) will try to "even out" the population so that the races are more evenly mixed. This way ethnic nationalism cannot happen. Different races have different cultures and sometime those cultures (Islam) do not mix well with the values of the host country. Look at the ethnic Muslim neighborhoods in Belgium. They are litter alt creating their own little countries there
>>72324506
It is not an either or faggot. It is retarded absolutist thinking that fucks everything up.
Are you completely against any trade or working with any other countries. Then you are to some degree a globalist. You are not completely nationalist. Nationalist too an extreme is something like Nazi Germany but being Nationalist to some degree is not necessarily bad. In fact an absolute globalist is bad just as being an absolute nationalist is.
>>72327880
>"White nationalism" suggests that they made their empire on the basis of advancing the interests of skin color, as opposed to national origin.
This smells of some weird revisionist history that has Victorian London filled with blacks and Muslims. The two were entirely synonymous at the time and dividing the British national interests from British ethnic interests simply isn't possible unless you want to assert some split between the English and the Scots.
>>72324506
globalism is nationalism for the rich
>>72325890
>implying liberalism, modernism, and democracy are good values
What a faggot
>>72328196
Civic Nationalism isn't without principles. You cannot have people that are for illiberal values within it..
If a culture create its own "little country" within the nation it wouldn't be a problem if that also upholds the principles of Civic Nationalism. Like a Chinatown. No one really has an issue of Chinatowns because they fit with the principles held despite them being culturally very different.
>>72328588
>British national interests from British ethnic interests
British ethnic interest is different to white interests or white nationalism.
The British and French are both White and British national and French national interests collided many times yet they were both white so it obviously wasn't some white national interest at play. If it was then they both would have worked together or you would have to say white national interest and white national interests collided. Doesn't make sense.
>>72327509
Actually, it's not a state, it's more like 50 states
>>72325667
I hate us being "the world police", but I know it's not as simple as it looks
>>72329741
I'm not arguing they British Empire were white nationalists. I'm pointing out that at the time differentiating between ethnic nationalism and civic nationalism wasn't possible because there was no multiethnic presence.
Based Trump
that's weird because i remember learning about how awesome america was and pledging my allegiance to this country every single morning
what faggot friends school did you attend?
>>72327509
>nationalism is an allegiance to a group of people
What, I can't plead my allegiance to the American people? Are you saying that 'Americans' don't exist?
You sound like globalist.
nationalism is the purest political force ever conceived. humans are tribal. it's how we perceive the world.
that is, unless you are a cuck with no sense of place in the world and no sense of heritage. all globalists are emasculated, shiftless pussies and everyone knows it.
Why are so many people shocked by the idea of putting America first and act as if Trump will plunge the US into World War III?
>>72330192
The British Empire did have multi ethnic presence but the empire itself didn't fit well into civic nationalism anyway. The US fits better to civic nationalism.
>>72324506
Agreed, I am glad you are still healthy enough of mind that you can recover from the poison if it ever affected you. I dont know what they are teaching these days, but I hear the teachers are even more batshit crazy that when I was a kid, and that was 30 years ago.
Globalists, if thats what we're calling them, don't like nationalism because it makes a democracy harder to corrupt and pervert. They dont like a unified, peaceful culture because the people aren't burdened with insane social policies, civil strife and economic miserty, and have the time to hold their government accountable and have time to keep an eye on spending.
If your home is now in a neighborhood with 4 races, 3 gods, and six languages while it takes you AND your wife 50 hours a week to afford a home you can never buy while your kids spend more time with liberal teachers influencing them than their own parents, you aren't going to have time or energy to ask just why the fuck the government is sending your money overseas and overpaying for everything while nothing gets fixed.
>>72326329
usa is a nationstate fagot, just shut the fuck up
>>72325667
Global dominance is a positive, it's importing mongrels and coddling them that's the trouble.
>>72331430
Not in Britain which was the entity the Empire was suppose to ultimately serve. It wasn't until the creation of the Commonwealth that you see nations being brought onto theoretically equal status with Britain. Colonialism required an idea of inherent superiority to justify it's existence and this superiority was all encompassing across culture, ethnicity, and nation.
>The US fits better to civic nationalism.
That's true but it's also a much more modern development.
>>72326652
>unchecked
wrong
it's overly manipulated and regulated capitalism killing us domestically
or do you think capitalism killed detroit?
>>72324506
GREAT! Now that we've had that 150 year sojourn, is there any chance of getting state's rights back or... what?
