>libertarianism isnt nationalist enough
>nationalists tend to care too much about legislating morality
What do I believe?
Hold your own fucking opinion and evaluate every subject individually instead of clinging onto an ideology
>>72318603
das riiiite
>>72318435
What's the point of legislation if it doesn't serve to enforce morality?
>>72318740
Most laws don't exist to enforce morality though, they exist to enforce order, and that order might be beneficial to morality.
But most laws simply exist for the state to keep it's monopoly of violence.
>>72318866
>Most laws don't exist to enforce morality though, they exist to enforce order, and that order might be beneficial to morality.
So that's the same thing, because why enforce order otherwise? It only has instrumental value.
>>72318925
It's not really the same thing, because you can have a mostly non-violent society(ordered), that still is morally bankrupt, like Europe right now.
>>72319045
In my opinion morality includes every question of right and wrong, including the desirability of violence.
>>72319117
Yeah, but legislation *is* violence(coercion).
It is forcing someone to obey at gunpoint or with the threat of jailtime.
Which I don't think is morality at all, but it is useful for keeping order, hence why I said order and morality aren't mutually exclusive.
>>72318435
is there a minarchist country to be found anywhere today?
I think it's a reasonable compromise between full-on libertarianism and totalitarian state
>>72319468
Singapore is pretty minarchist, economically.
Unfortunately, it's pretty fucking authoritarian otherwise(very low tolerance for speech against the gov't).
>>72318435
Liberals would gladly run their country into the ground rather than let someone be proud of what they've done for the country. Also the words family and home are extremely triggering to them so that tells a lot about them
>>72318603
/thread
>>72319284
>Yeah, but legislation *is* violence(coercion).
So? If it gets the desired result, fine.
>freedom is for everyone
Libertarian
>freedom is for people who deserve it (ie my nation and people who will assimilate into it, potentially some other nations too)
Libertarian realist.
>freedom is for my race only
Ethnic libertarian
>>72318435
authoritarian centrism
>>72319635
Yes, if the desired result was order, but not morality.
>>72319734
No, if the desired result was better outcomes, as defined by morality.
>>72319645
>freedom is a stale American meme
Everyone else
Nationalism is an empty gesture signifying to your countrymen that you give a fuck about them when you're full of shit, and all you really want is to meme a homogeneous society into existence in the hopes that it will benefit you.
The penultimate dilemma inherent to Libertarianism is that everyone is free.
>>72319829
A man in jail is less free than a man not in jail.
Absolute freedom is a dumb meme, but there is a continuum of freedom and some people sit closer to absolute freedom than others. Libertarians suggest we ought to move as close as possible to the absolute freedom side of the scale, but they acknowledge that there is a place for government in some affairs. Libertarian realists, for example, point out that libertarianism cannot survive in a society not made up of libertarians, so it's essential to restrict the ability of some people to enter the nation based on their lack of support for libertarian ideals. Ethnic libertarians go one step further and say that only particular races can ever believe in freedom.
>>72319829
Everyone is always free.
That's the problem.
>>72319935
What's the ultimate dilemma, anon?
>>72318603
but that's not how the vast majority of the population works
>>72318435
People's Egalitarian Nationalist Informed Socialists.
penis for short
>>72320040
The results of freedom.
>>72318435
>>libertarianism isnt nationalist enough
its the most nationalist thing you can get as it requires homogeneity in all aspects, ethnically as well as ideologically
>>72319935
Penultimate means second-to-last.
>>72320081
It actually is. Of course in debates you'll most likely argue people enscribed to an ideology. If you talk to normies it is surprising how on the fence/willing to challenge their view they are. That is if you know your talking points
>>72320337
See:
>>72320040
>>72320116
Thanks for playing.
>>72320375
>the second to last dilemma inherent in Libertarianism is that everyone is free
>the last dilemma in freedom is the results of freedom
Neither of these are dilemmas. A dilemma is a difficult choice between two mutually exclusive things. Should I have cake for breakfast, or bacon? I can only have one breakfast without feeling sick, and I desperately want cake and bacon, but I can only stomach one at a time. That's a dilemma.
You've just made a statement and called it a dilemma and it's not. "Everyone is free" is not a dilemma. "Everyone is free OR _______" is a dilemma.
>>72320489
Don't get /lit/eral with me, anon.
Everyone is free to tell you to fuck off and shove your ideology up your ass.
That's the "freedom" you're asking for, but it's not the results you had in mind.
Everyone is always free.
That's the problem.
>>72320698
>Everyone is free to tell you to fuck off and shove your ideology up your ass.
Yep, they are.
And I'm free to beat them into line.
That's basically how states form.
"Do X"
"No."
"Do X or I'll beat you up and take your shit."
"Fine."
Lo, a government.
Libertarians acknowledge that this is the way that the world works and has to work, but seek to minimize the occurrences of it to the strictly necessary, not the convenient. Where things can be funded through charity they ought to be, and if they're not essential and cannot be funded through charity then the programs should be cut instead of additional revenue being raised.
>>72320877
>And I'm free to beat them into line.
Feel "free" to start doing that at any time.
>>72320972
Don't need to. Just the threat of it is enough to make people fall in line most of the time.
>>72321032
K... KEEP ME POSTED
There are certainly Libertarian/Ancap schools of thought are socially conservative and compatible with the alt-right. Lewrockwell.com is a great resource that fuses social conservatism and anti-statism.
Also check out anything by Hans Hermann-Hoppe. He has some great books and a ton on content on YouTube.
