My uncle died in the 90s of an overdose (Massachusetts)
My ex fiance is now an addict and no one around her cares to do anything (Minneapolis)
The girl I love lives in Baltimore and I pray this stuff never touches her.
All well off financialy, white people.
I am currently in the south and was surprised to hear people talking nonchalantly about using it and one bartender even said to me "hey man nothing wrong with heroin. Heroin is great." emphatically, defensively.
How do we stop this and is it as bad as it seems to me? Am I just unlucky to have been hit by it personally? What are the worst cities or states for it?
Maybe we shouldn't be running the poppy fields in Afghanistan for starters.
>>72289777
Just legalize weed. The high isn't as good but at least it's safe.
>>72290072
Is it government funded? I'm genuinely ignorant on the why and how here. It just pisses me off that it's happening.
>>72289777
ww3
>>72289777
it's bad in seattle too.
Make it legal and cheap and pure and only distributed by medical professionals with on-site rehabilitation facilities.
Make drug use clinical and boring, take out the cartels and the dealer's and the subversive elements. Make it unsexy.
No one will go to jamal on the corner for a dimebag when they can get pure pharma grade cheaper from Dr Johnson at the clinic
This is the only way to stop the drug epidemic, to treat it as a health issue and to actually understand the human nature drive/science behind drug use and addiction.
>>72290151
Thing is my ex I mentioned has been smoking weed every day for 10 years and uses it as well as heroin now.
She told me once that the police in Minneapolis literally don't care about weed so it's basically legal.
Fun Fact: The hwhite heroin epidemic started because Doctors refused to prescribe narcotic painkillers to nonwhites with the logic of "whites won't abuse these drugs as much as the shitskins will"*
Hmmm...let's see how that turned out...
* = source = http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/science/drug-overdoses-propel-rise-in-mortality-rates-of-young-whites.html
fuck needles tho
why not just smoke opium?
>>72290072
ok mista gimmie chocolate
>>72290151
Heroin would be perfectly safe if the dosage was regulated (aka legal). See: morphine.
>>72290200
Yeah, it's one of the things we did when we invaded Afghanistan.
I remember watching local news after this came to light and they ran one story about "omg the military is guarding the poppy fields and the proliferation of heroin is out of control!". Then the very next story was, "omg heroin is all of a sudden a huge problem in this local town!"
Gee, you think? This was so many years ago I lost count.
>>72290441
You're a special kind of retard huh?
>>72290151
weed is a gateway drug
one minute you are toking it at a party
the next minute you are prepping bulls and voting for bernie
not for me no thank you sir
>>72290441
Don't bother telling people this. They're convinced heroin = death.
>>72290461
We use a tons and tons of poppies to produce prescription opiates.
The heroine epidemic is because Mexico has gotten in on the game. They can produce poppies year round, and don't need to travel so far to smuggle it in.
Afghan heroine could never hope to have gotten as cheap as what we're seeing now.
test
>>72290262
Banking on the fact that retard hipsters won't use it because it's "corporate" or did i miss your point?
>>72290362
Ex used to smoke it, got caught because she did it in public and apparently it's easy to smell. Now she shoots up and I believe the high is greater.
This shit is fucked. Imagine being engaged after many years and you tell her you love her and she just replies "well I love heroin" and never talks to you again. Turns decent people into braindead idiots with no hope.
Just noticed I got lucky 7s so I know I'm right.
>>72290535
No, he's right.
Heroin addicts aren't trying to kill themselves. When they OD it's almost always either due to a bad cut(making the smack stronger than the addict realized) or is boosted with some fent or a fent analog.
Addicts know their doses and don't OD intentionally.
Cracking down on heroin will only lead to people doing krokodil.
Shit is good.
>>72290617
We have to build that wall.
>>72290262
>make drugs cheap and legal
These drugs are so powerful that literally all people will do is use them until they die.
>>72289777
Legalize it.
>>72289777
Heroin really isn't a big deal. Stopping is, sure, but it's not all fucking trainspotting, life-is-addiction. It's relaxing and really doesn't prevent you from being good at a job.
The thing that's fucked up about heroin is addictive personalities. But these are people who'd be fucked up on whatever it was that they were into. Some people find constructive outlets for it, some have hobbies or benign obsessions, some have destructive outlets like overdosing.
But heroin isn't really the big deal that you'd be forgiven for believing it is, if your relationship to it is through TV or people who pursued it to the brink of overdose, on a regular basis.
>>72289777
Heroin should be encouraged rather than stopped though.
It self-eliminates all the undesirables from society.
It's like a self service option of the Final Solution.
>>72289777
Live in Philadelphia, America's dope capital. What's going on here is some good Samaritan drug dealers are stepping on their product with krokadil and relaying it into competetor's territories. Makes for easy spotting of addicts and a great deterent for those who haven't tried it yet.
>>72290747
What are the effects of long term heroin use?
>>72289777
send the navy seals to covertly kill the mexican drug cartels
>>72290638
You should try to get her to trip.
Get her to smoke some DMT. Seriously. It can shatter a brain locked into a rut and reset it.
well most of the heroin surge is a result of weed being widely available in the us domestically and from canada. now the drug cartels are losing out on lots of profit from shipping over literal tons of weed that no one wants to buy as it is already easy to get. so the drug cartels thought what is fast to make, cheap to make, easy to make, easy to ship/distribute, is more addictive and more lucrative? well that would be heroin so they are now shipping literal tons of smack and it bleeds its way into the us highways were it is offloaded fucking every where for cheap
so you gotta deal with the cartels and good luck with that
>>72290262
Straya wtf are you doing? That's not how shitposting works...
Bring back drug dens make them .medical grade and ban off site use. This is one place even fedoras would concede they would rather have the churches manage.
>>72289777
Don't be a retard and start in the first place
> inb4 durr pills first
Don't take them either. No amount pain is worth the risk to take them home with you. And they give you too many every time. Then you're hooked.
If you knew someone and they did heroin, they might as well be dead. That person you knew is already gone. Then they're a dirty junkie, degenerate, theif, etc. Then they become either a corpse, or a "recovering addict" that goes on about jesus all the time.
>>72290845
Of clean, safe heroin use, preferably through basing it?
Constipation.
No seriously: the side effect of clean heroin? Constipation. The end.
>>72290072
All drugs come from Mexico
>>72290638
fuck "the high is greater". it's unnatural and masochistic. just like some of these newfangled thc concentrates
fuck that, just smoke weed
if you're going to fuck with opium, smoke opium. it's self-mutilation-free, and not going to kill you, eh?
>>72290863
She did dmt before we met. Said she thought she had chicken legs and peed herself, though that doesnt sound lIke dmt. Does lsd all the time too.
Pretty huge disappointment of a person and her family and friends only enable her and blame me somehow even though I've never even smoked a cig. Maybe that's the problem.
>>72290072
The heroin in America comes from Mexico and Southeast Asia for the most part, not Afghanistan.
>>72290845
You may ruin a vein if that's you're thing but opiates are rather benign
you make it legal so that addicts can go to a controlled environment to take a measured dose, and so people stop dying from fentanyl bombs
>>72290845
Worst are ear-ringing, and low weight because opiates can cause vomiting which prevents good nutrition.
Other than those, and constipation, the drug carries no long-term harm. It's actually very low in toxicity with chronic use. The main toxic danger is immediate acute arrest of the lungs and heart, which is only really an issue with injection.
Good old fashioned mob jsutice.
Target known heroin dealers in your communities and beat them up. Discourage them from ever selling that filth again.
>>72289777
People need to stop coddling junkies and start locking them up. In my area people fight to protect junkies with this "it's a disease" bullshit. They even dumped taxpayer money into giving all cops and paramedics OD kits to revive dirtbags so they can live another day to rob their neighborhood and get high. There are rehabs and supported living homes everywhere.
These people never get better, they just cycle through recovery and relapse over and over again, and we pay for it through treatment programs and constant theft. Heroin is a scumbag drug, anyone picking it up is a retard with excuses. Heroin possession and sales should come with harsh penalties and mandatory jail sentences. Instead our system gives these fuckups an infinite number of "2nd chances" when they never amount to anything.
>but muh ebil war on drugs
Fuck off, only junkies and potheads get pissed about it. Don't do drugs and you won't get in trouble. The Constitution doesn't say a damn thing about your right to get high while society pays for the consequences.
>>72291035
Damn. Usually psychedelics tend to push people away from addictions. She must have some right nasty demons in the noggin. That or she's bored senseless.
>>72291043
Is it government funded though? And why the hell did we have troops protecting fields in Afghanistan?
We could start by securing our border, then we get these people jobs so they have hope.
>>72291141
>what is freedom
Recovering heroin addict (full blown degenerate) AMA
>>72291141
>The Constitution doesn't say a damn thing about your right to get high while society pays for the consequences.
The Constitution does not grant you rights. It limits what authority the government has, and under the words written on it, the government(feds at least) are not authorized to prohibit any goods at all.
>>72289777
Behead drug dealers. Immediately after their trial is concluded, behead them.
Also since we fucking control Afghanistan we should so the same with opium growers. The Taliban did this and it was super effective. Why the fuck can't we have this done there??
>>72291150
Probably both. Has that mentality that her life is so much worse than anyone else's but she's in a rich family in one of the wealthiest states. Probably bored, thinks her life is a Harmony Korine movie.
Randomly emails me about how she hates her life a d I'm just like, you chose it and I tried to help.
Has anxiety as well but nowhere near what mine is and I'm a functioning member of society with legit Howard Hughes level OCD so I don't buy the need to self medicate to her extent. Just sad stuff.
>>72291366
>Why the fuck can't we have this done there??
Because money talks, and opiates are a MASSIVE source of income for western governments and financial institutions.
There is nothing redeemable about opiate addiction, I've seen everyone from clean cut, 9-5 "I quit whenever I want" types down to someone miscarrying while crawling out of the dope house and everywhere in between affected by it
it's poison, it kills people, sure legalize it so more idiots off themselves
I don't really have a lot of sympathy for people who get addicted to drugs.
I was in a bad accident once and was prescribed a lot of oxycontin. I took it for a while to relive my pain, and then when I healed, I stopped.
People who seek heroin.. They know they are making bad decisions, but they do it anyways. I've had to live my whole life dealing with my brother being a heroin addict. He is insufferable and will lie and steal and cheat and generally just be a shitty person.
He says he takes suboxin or whatever it is now, but I doubt that is true. He has lied so many times that it's incredibly hard to believe. He's also gunning me for money... so yeah.
>>72290315
Bullshit, his was targeted at white people and not at nonwhites. Do you have any ideas how many Jewish doctors there are?
>>72290845
Opiate abuse destroys your pleasure-reward circuits. You literally destroy your ability to be happy without drug use. This is why junkies relapse even after surviving withdrawal. They become depressed because their brains are now wired to receive opiates. Opiate addiction is brain damage.
>>72291426
YOU need to bail the fuck out of there, no shit.
I cannot stress this enough, your future is a horror story if you stick around with this sort of problem.
Find another.
>>72291201
>Anarchy is freedom
Fuck off Australia, you can't even possess anime porn.
>>72291128
Dude i know in Finland brother lives here. >Selling heroin, gets busted.
>Goes to jail, shit confiscated.
>Gets out of jail.
>His guy wants his money.
>Doesn't have it, shit was confiscated.
>"Well, you better get out there and sell this shit, make my money back"
>Gets caught again, jail again.
>Repeat.
Dude is in jail for like 20 years atm, someone he sold to od'd and died. They charged him with manslaughter or something.
>>72291571
It doesn't "destroy" anything. You're just fine, after a couple months clean. It suppresses a few processes while you're on it, and then until you bounce back.
>>72289777
If you actually care, and aren't shitposting, read this https://www.samharris.org/blog/item/a-war-well-lost
>>72289777
nice vegas trips but in white places heroin isn't a problem
in my town more teens have sucided by train than have OD'd
>>72291601
I did, lol. Not in contact with her anymore. Like I said the girl I'm with now is in Baltimore. Sweet chick, cool as hell, catholic family (though she doesn't practice) with a dad who owns like 50 guns, and she's legit beyond gorgeous. Just don't want Baltimore to fuck with her.
>>72291571
Wrong. Brain chemistry does not work like that. You should do some work in pharmacology before talking about pharmacological effects.
Misinformation about drugs is the biggest cause of drug-related problems. All people usually get are DARE(and it is absolute bullshit, scientifically), and rumors/bullshit from friends/dealers/etc.
>>72291349
>Bill of rights has nothing to do with rights
And now we watch a junkie try to explain the Constitution to justify their habits with lolbertarian nonsense before his next metal theft.
>>72291708
Should just behead him. Use a guillotine, it's a surprisingly humane method of execution. Like that sucks that he was sucked into that lifestyle, but he was destroying lives, families and ultimately communities with his actions. Just swiftly behead him via guillotine, it would all be over for him in a half-second.
>>72289777
>How do we stop the heroin epidemic?
A combo of proper drug treatment and changing how long term pain is managed.
By treating addiction as a illness and putting money aside to treat it in proven methods this will help those already in the grip of the drug.
The changes to pain management would prevent many new cases.
But lets be honest despite that being a rational way of doing things that has proven many times to be effective, we are not going to do it because here in the US we like punishing people FAR to much to actually help anyone or actually manage and solve the problem.
>>72291730
>>72291858
>t. junkies in denial
>>72290584
Bet these 'tards think OD's are caused by the heroin and not the cutting agents. People are idiots.
Ibogaine
>>72291851
If you can get her to be a practicing Catholic again, she would be the perfect girl. Catholicism has a very positive effect on the female mind.
>>72292016
>Heroin overdose isn't caused by heroin
Top kek.
>>72290362
It is actually easier to get heroin in the US then opium
Also the high is both stronger and faster injecting it then smoking it.
>>72291851
My mistake. Absolute correct choice.
>>72291899
I never use downers, first off. I hate them.
Secondly, it is well-established that the US Constitution does not grant rights to the People, but instead acts as the governing authority over the US government. It does not say "the people have a right to bear arms." It says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms(which exists by default) shall not be infringed(by the government." i.e. it tells the government it cannot make gun laws of any kind that limit arms in any way.
>>72291568
>we dindu nuffin
>it wasn't our fault
>the jews MADE us take those pain pills
top kekerino
>>72289777
>My ex fiance is now an addict and no one around her cares to do anything (Minneapolis)
Triple sevens.
Rest In Purple
What is a heroin high even like? I've banged dope before and it was pretty intense and made me super horny and chatty. 8/10 high.
>>72292003
Recovered, never-really-junkie. Clean and breezy for a pretty long time. Heroin doesn't even suck you in the way coke does. Ask a former coke head how they feel just watching a movie or tv show of someone pretending to do it. They'll leave the fucking room. Heroin? Eh. You don't even really miss it.
>>72291128
Here in the state's if you do that these days you'll be ran out of town or killed by the Mexican Mafia.
>>72291836
I know like 15 people went to school with died from heroin overdoses. One hung himself from "depression" after quitting it. My neighbor od'd last week, didnt die tho. I probably know like 30 "recovering addicts". They're all white. Middle/Upper middle class to upper class white suburban neighborhood. There's like 10 blacks in the whole town, and like 30 mexicans.
>>72291177
Because we tried to make them grow food, but that made food prices drop so low all the farmers were going bankrupt and turning to terrorism.
>>72289777
I dont remember exactly which country in Europe, but one of them offers free heroin at clinics where you get clean needles and the addiction is treated like an illness rather than a crime. A step in the right direction imo.
>>72292099
Most of today's ODs are actually caused by fentanyl, or more commonly a fentanyl analog used as a cutting agent to hide the fact that the heroin in question is being stepped on for more cash.
I say we set up tables and give it out for free. Anyone stupid enough to use that shit should just off themselves and if we supply enough it'll eventually happen.
>>72292076
The true redpill.
8 months clean from heroin.
>>72289777
i dont give a fuck. asians hardly touch the stuff
>>72289777
Criminology student here.
We in the US are without a doubt experiencing a heroin epidemic right now. The reason behind it is because the overuse and abuse of pain killers among Americans.
I don't understand all the chemistry behind it, but what is happening is that pain killers and heroin are very similar chemically. So what happens is that people become addicted to painkillers, but over time, the painkillers just don't do it for them. So they turn to heroin. This isn't just niggers and white trash doing it, it's middle class white America. And this is a problem, because when middle class white America starts to like something, it starts to become more socially acceptable (see what has happened to marijuana in the last 20 years).
So what do we do about it? I don't really know. The drug war doesn't work, it's a waste of time and money. But if nothing is done, it will become just as acceptable as marijuana in the next 10 years.
Pic unrelated (although it is about drug dealers).
>>72292151
They are doctors prescribing medication to trusting patients. Most people trust their doctors advice concerning medications.
>>72292206
You're either full of shit or you "recovered" two days ago.
>>72291858
True
Meth however..
>>72291958
The fucked up part is he went to jail so many times first, they just let him out. Pay bail, go right out and sell again. And in the end a kid dies. That's why they threw the manslaughter thing at him. Obviously, the shit you get in for dealing is nothing.
>>72292141
Care to show where the Constitution says the government can't restrict your ability to get high and destroy communities? I'll wait.
>>72292482
You start to miss it less as time passes. When I first quit, after withdrawals, I literally had physical cravings so bad I had to tell my family not to trust anything I said and not to let me out of their sight.
>>72292531
Yea exactly, the penalty should be death. It sounds harsh, but it's not without precedent.
>>72291730
it feels incredible when you start feeling things again after you get clean- even fear and sadness made my heart well up with joy because I had forgotten that dimension to human feelings. I got teary eyed at sappy moments in stories and movies and seeing someone happy made my heart feel like it was going to burst. over all, a good experience getting hooked/clean
>>72290072
fpbp
>>72292482
I don't know what to tell you. I can't really defend my personal anecdote, anonymously, over the internet.
>>72289777
You cannot stop people from getting things they want. Making it illegal makes it appealing. I say legalize it, but don't offer the abusers all the help people say to offer. Let them kill themselves. Noone cares about cigarette smokers enough to give them free nicotine. Same with alcoholics. If you want to poison yourself you should understand the consequences.
t. A former drug addict
>>72292325
You can still OD on heroin retard. Either way you get what you deserve.
>>72292443
>I don't understand all the chemistry behind it, but what is happening is that pain killers and heroin are very similar chemically.
The 'good' painkillers ARE opiates (or derived from opium), simple as that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxycodone
>>72289777
Well I mean. It is pretty fun
>>72289777
Don't do drugs, dummy. It's as simple as that. It doesn't matter how shit your life is, just don't ever do drugs if you don't want to end up one day addicted to heroin and then die the next day from an overdose.
>>72292670
>Care to show where the Constitution says the government can't restrict your ability to get high and destroy communities?
>The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.
Simply put, unless the US Constitution authorizes the government to have a power or authority in a matter, the government is prohibited from having that authority.
With the 14th Amendment, this now extends to all 50 US states as well.
The US Government does not at any time state that the US government has the power to prohibit or control personal property OR goods, drugs and guns both falling under both of these categories.
Every gun law and drug law under the US code and state codes is technically unconstitutional.
But good luck getting the government to follow the law, as they control the courts, police, and prosecutors, and are under no obligation to follow the law.
>>72289777
Addicts deserve whatever they get.
>>72289777
>>72292180
I'm high on heroin right now.
Heres the verdict: Great high, but it's not worth the inevitable opioid addiction.
>>72289777
flood the streets with incredibly pure and cheap heroin, let the junkies who OD die, and move forward.
you can't save people from themselves, codepedents don't fucking understand this
>>72292821
Yea but that weakens our nation. Having many white people waste the years of their life when their reproductive capacity is highest is not good for any nation.
>>72292858
>You can still OD on heroin retard.
Yes, I know. I studied pharmacology. As I said, addicts know their dose, and will not OD on smack unless the smack is hotter than they think. The point is to feel good(or normal as the case becomes with long-term use), not die.
>>72292443
people need more brain and less medicine
>>72293149
Well, if it's just white people then we have a genetic weakness to it. Adapt or die. Should Asians make booze illegal because they have a higher dependency rate than everyone else?
Anyway it doesn't matter. We are going to die out in the next couple hundred years when the magnetosphere is gone and the poles flip.
>>72293161
Out of curiosity is it possible to be happy once you get hooked? You said people use it to just feel normal at that point? Would they even realize how fucked they are in most cases?
>>72292206
former coke addict here, yes to everything
>>72293347
White people don't have a genetic weakness to it any more than any other race.
>>72292448
The doctors don't make you take the painkillers.
Plenty of people get prescribed opiates and they forgo taking them. It's just that too many hwhites nowadays are weak-willed cucks.
>>72293454
Then don't specify white people. It's just stupid people.
>>72293396
I know at some point, the opiate stops feeling euphoric and merely fills the role of the endorphins(these are opioid receptor agonists) the body has stopped making due to what it believes is less demand. This is what causes withdrawal when opiates are ceased, as the body has not started producing its own endorphins again meaning it has a severe deficiency in those endorphins.
That's the pharmacological layman's gist.
>>72293537
Most people trust their doctors to advise them to do what's best for their health. The medical profession wouldn't be able to function otherwise.
>>72293558
I only did because doctors were specifically prescribing painkillers to whites. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/17/science/drug-overdoses-propel-rise-in-mortality-rates-of-young-whites.html
>>72289777
honestly the acceptance of heroin kinda stems from the war on drugs and how we loop heroin in with other far less dangerous drugs such as weed and acid cuz ya know that shit is as bad as heroin like brahs remember all thoughs weed and acid overdoses
>>72293940
You don't have any statistics or evidence to back up your points, though. Just specious assumptions and allusions to nebulous ZOG conspiracy theories.
Maybe if there were a statistic for the ethnicities of doctors prescribing opiate based painkillers, I'd be more inclined to believe you.
Facts and statistics are sacrosanct on /pol/, after all :^)
Open an ibogaine clinic in every single state.
>>72294048
The opiates and GABA agonists are really in a league of their own as far as bad news goes, except for maybe meth.
Even meth is a lightweight as long as you don't smoke it or slam it, as far as the hook and withdrawal go.
Downers are god damn trouble in the making. They're no good for recreation. Purely medicinal in usefulness.
>>72293709
Well at least I'm happier than my cheating ex. Not sure I'm proud of that though. Oh well, onward and upwards.
From this thread I'm not seeing an end in sight. Not sure my stance but I think it should just be nearly impossible to get if we areally tring to stop it. Strict regulations, cut Mexico off at the border. At the same time I as long as you aren't hurting anyone I think you should be able to do whatever you want in your own home. Definitely either needs to be governed responsibly or just outright locked down, no criminal imports.
I'm assuming it's not as bad in Japan (where I'm moving)? They seem to just really like their booze there.
>>72294284
>Open an ibogaine clinic in every single state.
DEA doesn't like that. DEA are faggots. They're the reason along with the FDA that narcan isn't available at every pharmacy at request.
when I first tried heroin I kind of chuckled and thought
>"people actually get addicted to this shit?"
haven't touched it since, was pretty bad desu
now meth was much better, but I've avoided that too
>>72294384
Just saying, that's literally how we could cure the epidemic overnight. The fact that ibogaine clinics are illegal shows how blatant the government thrives off of people dependent on opiate addiction.
>>72290617
>>72290617
You have no proof of that. Why did this happen after our long time involvement in Afghanistan?
You really don't believe that the CIA plays no part of the heroin trade?
>>72294338
Japan has a strange relationship with intoxicants.
They drink like it's nobody's business, but they'll all but nail you to a cross for a joint or a few lines worth of a fun night.
I cannot hold judgement on them. Completely different culture and values from mine.
As for here in the US, there's absolutely no way to stifle heroin use. There is just way too much money at stake to shut it down. Lots of very rich and very powerful people want H flowing into the US. And most of them get to make/influence the rules.
>>72294290
Schedule IV drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with a low potential for abuse and low risk of dependence. Some examples of Schedule IV drugs are:
Xanax, Soma, Darvon, Darvocet, Valium, Ativan, Talwin, Ambien, Tramadol
but BRAH DA DEA SAYS THERE WAYYYYYY SAFER WHO U GONNA BELIEVE
>>72294338
It's also coming in from the middle east through east coast shipping channels.
Moreover, cutting off the heroin supply to the USA doesn't solve the prescription drug issue. Mexico doesn't exactly export its puppies to be manufactured into oxycodone
>>72294196
The article discusses it. Doctors are more frequently prescribing painkillers to whites than to blacks.
>>72294395
same
>>72290617
afghan vet here. You know how many poppy fields I protected during the 8 months I was there? We would constantly set perimeters around massive fields while it was being harvested by locals hired by generals who worked on camp leatherneck. I saw it with my own two eyes and believe it or not, that was the first red pill I ever swallowed.
>>72290564
>>72290072
oh look a nonpost
if you have nothing to say dont post
>>72294745
You didn't read correctly. I'm asking about the ethnicities of the doctors doing the prescribing.
I highly doubt every doctor in the USA prescribing Dakota J. Hwhiteman his Lortab scripts is jewish.
>>72294745
It's probably because (ironically) doctors are more likely to think white people actually need them, and blacks are just looking for a fix.
>>72294676
Shit kills me, knowing what I do about chemistry/pharma.
Diazepines are the most dangerous commonly-used psychoactives there are(outside of fentanyl and related). And the most addicting. I keep a few around just to calm down after a couple days of stimming(etizolam), or as an emergency sedative for psychedelic use.
My rule is, one dose at a time, no more than two a week spread out by at least 3 days apart.
>>72294853
Bitch, I was a witness to poppy field farming. It was extensive while I was there from February 2010 to September 2010. Why do you think Marjah Afghanistan heated up out of nowhere during that time? It was fucking crazy. And as I said, it was god guest redpill I swallowed.
>>72295027
That's what's so hilarious about it though. The hwhites are the ones who end up abusing and getting addicted to it since "oh we don't want Jamal and Taco getting strung out on Vicodin"
>>72289777
Extreme stigmatization, violence and public punishment.
>>72294876
That's not something they would ever collect stats on.
>>72295079
>etizolam
Have a friend who uses that as well and never remembers anything that happens while on it. Dangerous (other than the obvious implications of being socially active and not remembering a thing)?
>>72291228
How's the diner?
>>72295079
Give me a redpill on tramadol, anon. I know it's an SSRI so its not too good for you to begin with.
>>72295229
So you admit you have no proof to back up your arguments.
>>72295027
That analysis was given by a person from fucking Brandeis University. If you didn't know, Brandeis is a very Jewish school to the core. It's named after a famous Jewish Supreme Court justice
>>72295027
>be white
>be veteran
>look normal
>have disc degeneracy in my spine
>have scoliosis
>broke my coccyx with the above problems already killing my back
>spine is basically a hot pepper that leaks fire into my back
>given ibuprofen and Aleve
>told to alternate to see what helps my pain the best
>come back a few days later to say none work at all
>Doctor starts talking down to me how she doesn't prescribe pain meds to people who complain about back pain
>remind her to look at my medical record as well as the recent X-ray of my broken coccyx
>tell her it's so bad that I can't sleep
>she prescribes me Benadryl to help with sleep even though it says I'm alergic to it
>>72290826
This, let the shits weed themselves out.
>>72290842
I heard that rumor too, but I am pretty sure it is bullshit.
The ingredients for krokadil aren't really available, and the dope fiends look the same as they always do.
honistly the drug that freaks me out around here is PCP.
At least most dope heads are predicable and mostly calm unless they are "sick".
PCP makes people fucking nuts.
>>72295549
To be fair, fuckloads of people lie about back pain to get drugs.
And most of them are vets.
>>72295549
This is bullshit and a lie. Either that or you have substance abuse/drug seeking behavior noted in your chart.
The VA prescribes opiates like candy. Or they used to, at least.
>>72290200
Yes, it was a cold war program to demoralize Russia. As if the russkies needed more drugs, they are total drunks.
Anyway, the heroin now goes to the USA, cheap dirt and pure.
>detox from heroin few days ago to the point where I feel normal
>have no drug lust and feel confident that I can finally leave this shit behind me
>come home to total havoc today
>both parents are twice divorced (I have 2 ex stepparents)
>mom has her boyfriend
>dad has his girlfriend
>feel uncomfortable in both homes
>family unit is so fractured that I feel hopeless
>have 3 younger siblings
>realize that my father is charging my younger brother over some trivial bullshit
>come home from hard day of work and have to walk on eggshells because my dads new gf is present and I can't delve deep into family issues while this stranger is present in my home
>feel depressed and hopeless
>score heroin today and feel so disappointed with myself
>mfw the nuclear family is by far the most important thing for a healthy society and the Jews have totally subverted it.
>mfw opiates are the only time I feel happy
Before someone calls me a degenerate and to kill myself I just wanna say something... If I felt like their was a decent future waiting for me, then yes, I'd put the drugs down and focus on bettering myself. It's been grey skies here in south Ontario for months now, this shit makes a person depressed as fuck.
I also wanna say drug addiction itself is a feminine trait. It's looking for the easy way out instead of circumventing around life's obstacles like a real man. I was never taught to be a real man, and I really wish I was.
Mfw the
>>72295549
dude this is going to sound crazy but take the fuckin bennys have a severe allergic reaction in the hospital then threaten to sue like fuckin mad then see if that cunt is still talkin down to u
>>72295367
Which argument? The one that whites are being prescribed painkillers at a greater frequency than nonwhites? Or the one that it's Jewish doctors in particular who are doing this?
Because the first argument is proven. The second one is just a hypothesis at this time.
>>72295288
Etiz is good for me, as it has a short half-life, is dirt-cheap, and not overly potent. Your friend is taking doses I would never even consider attempting.
1mg is my limit. The diazepine class is not at all good for any habitual use, not even medically. They're great tool drugs, for occasional medical use, but nothing more.
>>72295298
It has use medically, and temporarily. Getting a habit to it can and often does lead to stronger opiates. Doesn't seem too addicting however, compared to other opioid agonists. Bottom line is, if you have chronic pain, you need to fix what's causing it, not chronically treat it with drugs. Your body it telling you "there's something fucked up in this spot, fix it you dope" when you have pain.
>>72289777
nice trips nigger, All my friends in minneapolis are addicted to this shit. There is no hope once people touch it, just drop them and move on. To save the world youll just have to let enough ppl die so everyone else is like wtf.
https://soundcloud.com/couchtruthing/thank-you-doc
>>72295711
Why did you tried heroin?
I am a shroom addict, every-time I learn something. Its not entire a sedative like weed, but it relaxes me and makes my stress go away. Its not entire a euphoric booster like cocaine but at the end of the trip I stay hyper for 2 days.
No needles, cheap, DIY growing and its tasteful.
>its boost brain cells growing unlike booze and other hard drugs that damage your receptors.
I left the US right before this shit appeared everywhere.
Maybe it's a fortunate coincidence. I'm the type of person who would probably wind up using it.
make it illegal
>>72290262
Good advice, my aussie friend. But no one will agree to that in the America, we are tearing our hair out trying to figure out if it's moral to legalize pot.
>>72295825
Second argument. I'm glad you admit you have no facts or statistics to back it up.
>>72295079
i hear good things about phenibut maybe give that a try
>>72295939
Mushrooms aren't addictive.
>>72295711
>If I felt like their was a decent future waiting for me, then yes, I'd put the drugs down and focus on bettering myself.
Here's a cold fact of life. There's no decent future for anyone. Even the best and most well-off people meet the demons of bad times.
You have to stop falling for the lie you were told as a kid, and start living the truth of life being a struggle that needs to be challenged like a game and played to get the highest score. It can always be worse. Bite down and fight. It feels good when you score those victories. Far better than opiates.
Tear reality apart to get further if you need to.
>>72295549
Johny Walker?
>>72289777
i grew up around memphis. it's a cesspool. let me tell you, the worst cracked out, homeless idiot doesn't touch that stuff. all the pan handlers call it the devil. they'll say things like "i've done drugs but i've never done HEROIN". my brother is dying because of it. curse it and anyone who loves it.
>>72296085
OH WAIT IT IS ILLEGAL
WHAT NOW STATISTS
>>72296137
I do it every 2 weeks. Why deny my addiction? Although my body dont crave for it in between, I do really want to get high on weekends in nothing more than shrooms.
>>72295864
Thanks man, I appreciate you. I'll let them know to simmer it down a bit. Been worried for awhile.
>>72295549
You can blame new regulations on doctors from over prescribing pain meds with terminally debilitating pain becuase of our stupid mentality of "suck it up"and no more Dr. Feel goods. We literally have people comitting sucide becuase of debilitating pain that doctors cannot becuase of the law treat. It fucking horrifying when people like that have to suffer when literally effective treatments exist aren't used because of "morality".
This whole "heroine" epidemic is the biggest load of bullshit since well, the drug war itself. It's just another round of wack-a mole only the intrests to be that wish to perpetuate the drug war now have less moles to wack. The focus was on synthetic opiates now it's straight heroine becuase its the only thing agencies like the DEA can go after.
>>72289777
this OP
>PEOPLE ARENT ALLOWED TO DO DRUGS BECAUSE ITS BAD FOR THEM, BAN ALCHOHOL AND BACON TOO PLS BASED GOVURMENT WE NEED UR GUIDANCE
>>72295711
you have to remove yourself from that trash and put the junk down, do something simple and noble, like go be a fry cook or something. i spent 8 years of my life cooking through undergrad and masters school before i started being a fishery biologist, having a simple task like preparing a meal or something like that for someone is very fulfilling, to me at least
>>72296113
Apparently it's very euphoric. I do not want any euphoria with a sedative/depressant if I can help it.
>>72296214
Fun fact: The opiate morphine is used by the poppy to kill insect pests as part of its latex. The stuff was evolved by nature as pest control.
>>72291141
>People need to stop coddling junkies and start locking them up.
We already do that shit.
It don't work, it never worked, and it never will.
You know what actually works? Actual drug treatment to get people off the shit and teach the fucked up ones how to change their lives to be productive citizens.
>They even dumped taxpayer money into giving all cops and paramedics OD kits to revive dirtbags so they can live another day to rob their neighborhood and get high.
Because fuck the little old lady that ODed on pain pills for her bad hip because she forgot she took her meds already.
Why the fuck would paramedics ever try to save people. Not with my tax dollars they don't. At least not the ones I don't like.
This is what you sound like.
> Heroin possession and sales should come with harsh penalties and mandatory jail sentences.
We did/do it and it don't work.
>and we pay for it through treatment programs
Treatment is MUCH cheaper then throwing everyone in jail and losing the key like you want.
Heroin high is something the human brain isn't supposed to experience. It's literally nirvana. Damn shame it destroys you, nothing even comes close to it
>>72290262
Only worthwhile post here. Legalize it. Then treat it like a disease.
Families and communities should help each other. In the end of the day people should be able to shoot up if they want, use of your own body is a fundamental human right.
Several of my friends from childhood are addicted to heroin. We all grew up in an upper middle class suburb of Seattle, (Bellevue specifically).
It was really easy to avoid that shit because first of all my dad warned me about it after he witnessed his friends getting addicted to it on the military base in the Philippines as a kid.
Secondly I have a functional family and relationships.
>>72296174
>>72296376
That's a fact, it won't always be easy and cloud 9. The first job I got fishing was the most bottom of the barrel working on deck for 15 hours a day and being the whipping boy, but, I took it and I mastered it and earned the respect for doing it. Eventually I got to skipper and run the show, before I got cucked and got into fisheries management. I still get to go out and jerk off on boats sometimes though.
>>72289777
>epidemic
>like 10,000 od opiate deaths
hmmm lets do the math here because obviously you havent passed third grade
10,000/320,000,000 = 0.00003
WEW
WEW
WHAT AN EPIDEMIC
WOW
SHUT THE FUCK UP FAGGOT
NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR SHIT DRUG LIFE OR THE JUNKIES
FUCK OFF
STOP BRINGING THESE PIECES OF SHIT UP
>>72296489
4-MMC in my experience trashes any opiate I've tested.
>>72296623
They're only calling it an "epidemic" now that it affects the whites.
Prove me wrong.
We dont. Let the whites kill themselves with opiates and alcohol.
>>72296422
is it really? are there depressants that dont have any euphoria to speak of?
>>72296174
Yes. This.
>>72295711
pick up something heavy and put it down. i swear to god this solves a lot of problems. much of our evolution revolves around survival and modern society ain't going to tickle that fancy. you've got to push that temple until it hurts. do the drugs, be an alki but exercise. you'll choose your god soon enough.
>>72295910
Is it really bad there? Do you know a Camille or Molly?
Great city, sad to see the Muslims and heroin invade.
>>72296713
its not an epidemic
no one cares
anyone who says it is needs a dictionary thrown at their fucking head
fucking faggot shills always bring up "heroin" ooohhh ahhhh wew edgy XD
NO ONE FUCKING CARES ABOUT IF YOU ARE A DRUG ADDICT OR RECOVERING OR YOUR BULLSHIT STORY ABOUT HOW YOU ARE A CRIMINAL PIECE OF SHIT
NO ONE CARES
YOU FUCKED YOUR LIFE UP
CONGRATS I WISH YOU ALL WOULD OD
GOD DAMNIT DARWIN TAKE CARE OF THESE FUCKING USELESS DRAINS ON SOCIETY
>>72296489
Big issues with opiates is your body builds resistance extrodenarly fast. Till you reach the OD point. There's no real way around it becuase unlike say THC opiates have a much shorter half in the body.
>>72289777
Send the military to burn all poppy fields they can find.
Life sentence for anyone who sells heroin.
>>72290315
>source JewYork Times.
Opinion discarded.
>>72296422
well that's fine and dandy but somethings weren't supposed to be refined into pure addiction and administered to one's self.
a plea to nature is only a plea, not a way to live.
>>72291141
dude we've been havin a war on drugs sense Nixon and jack shit has changed
>In a survey by the National Association of Chiefs of Police, 82 percent of police chiefs and sheriffs said that the “war on drugs” has not been successful in reducing drug use.
>>72289777
Legalise it the number of users will go down. Make good shit on prescription if your country/state has good primary healthcare, this lowers the numbers of new addicts. Needle exchanges also help.
>>72290072
It one of the most profitable industries in the world, why would the kings of capitalism stop?
My family has a genetic thing where we have little to no opiate receptors in our brains. I've been prescribed opiates before after surgery but they just give me a severe headache and otherwise don't change much. I've always wondered what sort of effect a stronger drug would have on my system. Any keyboard chemists want to speculate?
>>72289777
Legalize medical cannabis and prescribe it (or CBD) for chronic pain rather than opioids. Put restrictions on opioid prescriptions only for post operative pain relief (and short term at that). Education for doctors on warning signs of opioid addiction in their patients and resources to detox patients safely with social worker consults if necessary.
That'll eliminate a fuckload of the problem. The heroin epidemic is caused mainly by prescription opioids being overprescribed for longer periods of time that get people hooked.
>>72297063
I'm just saying, that the drug exists naturally to kill pests, so it's no wonder it kills people too.
>>72297031
>genetic fallacy
Not an argument.
Take some more pills, cucky.
>>72296886
>>72296623
Seek therapy, my man...
Is use not at an all time high? Seems like way too many kids who could otherwise contribute to a better society get hooked on this stuff which sorry to say makes its a little worse than if Tyrone ODs.
I'm all for free use of mind altering substances, at the same time it can obviously wreck families and individual lives and need to be addressed.
Annex us and I swear to god ill stop being so degenerate
>>72296886
Why are you so angry, bro?
Your mummy or daddy a drug addict?
>>72297415
>drug addiction is a feminine trait
>he typed out on his Apple® keyboard
lel
>>72295298
Tramadol is worthless recreationally but gave me worse withdrawals than oxycodone.
I'm not sure if that was due to the doses I was prescribed or the SSRI component of the tramadol though.
>>72295148
So who exactly is running the farming operation? The US military? Or are they protecting the fields for Afghan druglords?
>>72297504
How much were you taking? Its also got a long half-life so that might have been part of it.
>>72296970
The poppies are used to manufacture legal opioids that are useful for trauma and post op pain control.
We do need opioids for medical purposes we just need to scale back what they're used for, they should never be used for chronic pain control because of how addictive they are.
>>72290845
Getting sick as fuck when you run out
thats about it, oh and the possibility of overdose because tyrone put some crazy shit in it
>>72292499
>>72291858
Does meth destroy dopamine transmitters? Do meth heads eventually become unable to be happy after long term abuse?
>>72297415
dude u be as degenerate as u wanna be
>>72297536
The latter. Taliban actually prohibited poppy farming.
>>72297119
No endorphin receptors in the brain? Sounds terrible. You have some, obviously, since you'd die without them, but having fewer sounds like a curse.
Doesn't matter what opiate you use, it likely will not get you "high", but since your body still has the normal opioid receptors, the drugs can still kill you. You likely are more resistant to opiate addiction though, since your brain and thus thought processes wouldn't "miss" the feeling of enhanced endorphin activity.
>>72297504
Sounds like losing the SSRI effect caused your serotonin levels to fall, and combined with the light opiate withdrawal component you likely experienced caused a real nasty potentiated effect. That makes the most chemically logical sense at least.
We could build a fucking wall!
>>72297716
until the US started giving them gold to leave the poppies alone
Have government run drug houses where addicts can get as much as they want.
If you want to destroy a man, give him everything he wants.
dude u know who also hates drugs as much as the dea does. fuckin terrorists. ergo DEA=DAESH
>>72291228
how much did your habit cost you at its worst
>>72297242
what's the active "ingredient"? How does it kill pests?
>>72289777
Diamorphine is legal in other countries and is refined and pure and measurable. It's used to treat pain and even opiate addiction. The dosage makes the poison. US wants people to be poisoned so they force it to be illegal and immeasurable.
>>72295939
>its boost brain cells growing unlike booze and other hard drugs that damage your receptors.
Is that true of shrooms? is it scientifically proven to be more beneficial than detrimental?
>>72295685
that's true, the VA prescribes me vicodin pretty much permanently I'm afraid to take it except when the pain is so bad that I can't sleep, and I never take it more than 2 days in a row, because I'm afraid of addiction.
I wish I could use medical CBD, because it's inflammation that causes the pain, but.. until it's legal, I'd get fired. But they're okay with prescription opioids.
>>72292016
You nigger, try firing up a whole vial of raw with no "cutting agents" and see how that goes for you.
>>72289777
You're simply not going to save some people from themselves, no matter how hard you try. Make sure treatment is available, and let those who don't want to kick their addiction waste away.
>>72297693
>Does meth destroy dopamine transmitters?
It causes damage to receptors, particularly with prolonged and heavy usage. Under light oral doses, your body can deal with its metabolites properly and remove them before they can cause oxidative stress on the neurons.
It's one of the few stims that I recommend never using. There's other compounds with safer profiles. a-PHP is a good one. As long as you have decent self-control and don't try shooting or smoking it, it'll treat you well. It's an NDRI too, rather than an NDRA like methamphetamine, so it tends to not be as nasty in the crash.
>>72289777
Nice digits.
I live in the South now too but I've never heard of anyone around here using it.
I came from Binghamton, NY though, and personally have known several people to struggle with it, and even a few that died in their early 20s. It's really fucked up. With drugs it's already been proven that government can't do anything about it, in the US at least. There's no stopping it, just like gun violence.
>>72298165
Are you the based autist Ph.D from /g/ who edits Wikipedia articles on controlled substances and Xenoestrogens?
The next hit is never as good as the first. Addicts spend their entire lives chasing that first high.
Im a Paramedic, Ive brought people back from these ODs. Its bad shit. But frankly I think we should just let it play out. Only morons try it. Let them get weeded out.
Or maybe I just like giving Narcan or intubating people.
>>72297997
Morphine. it binds to receptors in an insects ganglia and stops respiration and circulation. Just like high doses of it get to our brain stem and stop respiration and circulation and kill us.
>>72290262
tried and tested. works well.
>>72292989
Oxycodone is derived from the Iranian poppy and its constituent, thebaine. There's only a minor amount of thebaine in opium. Did you even read your link?
>>72290262
they would be do a lot and we would learn more about the human body is what your saying?
I'm sure this thread is mostly shitposting by now, but I'm going to post this anyway.
Maybe. JUST. MAYBE heroine and other opioids would not be the national OD champions if they weren't handed out like fucking tic tacs.
A few weeks ago I needed a very minor tooth extraction. Just a root tip some asshole oral surgeon left behind 15 years ago when I had my wisdom teeth pulled. Point being, it was a minor procedure. It seriously took 3 minutes of numbing and it popped right out. Minor bleeding and soreness for about a day. I would rate thr pain as being similar to a bruise or minor cut.
They sent me out the door with 20 lortabs, with instructions to crack the pills in half and take them every 6 hours. Almost 2 weeks worth if taken as directed.
Most of these "new" middle and upper class heroine junkies are starting out with perception pills.
>>72297997
Morphine and morphine analogs found in poppy sap affect the nervous system of insect pests, sedating or killing them before they can cause tissue damage to the poppy plant. Lots of plants excrete poisons via sap, as the sap(known as latex) bleeds out and either gums up or poisons insects.
>>72298248
No, but if that guy's science is good, god bless him.
>>72297594
300mg a day of tramadol
20mg a day of oxycodone (might have been 15mg can't remember)
At different times though.
>>72297742
Yeah I thought it might have been the serotonin component because when I first started taking them I noticed my demeanour changed quite suddenly.
If there no jobs for people to better their lives, then who cares if we flood the country with substances like heroin, ka-ching! The rich get richer.
>>72297693
Heavy meth use (if you survive as a heavy addict for long enough) can cause parkinsonian like symptoms.
Heavy MDMA use over the years can cause long term depression and inability to be happy because of damage to your serotonin neurons.
>>72298028
True mate.
Its basically staying conscious in a induced dream.
For example when you are about to sleep, your body checks if you are still "awake" before realizing hormones to sedate your body. What psilocybin does is to trigger the REM secretions your brains does every night but still "awake".
Other drugs like cannabis and cocaine, just go all up your brain and attaches to the receptors. Heroin just fry them by sending a flux of endorphins xTimes of what would your brain will normally reward you. After the rush the connections are gone.
Shrooms don't destroy those bridges nor rearrange them. Only LSD does kinda the same, stimulating other areas of the brain that will normally will not work.
>>72297619
>We do need opioids for medical purposes we just need to scale back what they're used for, they should never be used for chronic pain control because of how addictive they are.
While I partially agree with this, I am not sure of another option for severe chronic pain.
You know of any alternatives that work well?
>>72298119
It is theoretically possibly to peacefully die from respiratory depression (best possible way to go) if you inject a shit ton of pure heroine, but that rarely happens. People usually die from anaphylaxis - which is caused by cutting agents and impurities. Pharmaceutical grade heroin produced under cGMP regulated conditions would rarely cause overdoses.
I worked for a cartel for a short time. I was addicted for a long time before that. You can't stop it. American law enforcement agencies are so hooked on rats that it keeps coming in .I watched a murderer WALK. NO CHARGES. NOTHING. AND some poor sap that was almost me got pinched with pounds. He will never see his family again. Ever. They had every evidence they needed to end it. It's become almost a holiday now. They know how it gets in yet every year indictments come through and they're always pinned on runners. They like it like this. .It's fucked. And I know it happens in every major city below the mason dixie. I'll tell you the exact quote I overheard, from the division dedicated to heroin: "we are only concerned with keeping heroin out of (state)." And dude knew he was going to walk. I have so many fucked stories from this stupid fucking drug. And they all attest to one thing:. There is no stopping heroin. Only rarely, very rarely, quitting. All I can suggest is loving them while they are here because they probably won't make it. I'm sorry.
>>72298410
300 mg of tramadol is more than 15/20 mg of oxycodone I think. Figure about a 50 mg > 5 mg conversion ratio.
>>72298410
Yikes, I never broke the >250mg threshold.
>>72290262
This is the only way to tackle the drug problem.
You'll find most people will use rehab to get themselves clean, and the ones left will kill themselves on the cheap drugs at no real loss to society.
there is something inherently wrong when b/ has a greater understanding of drug use then our goverment. shit id even wager b/ was smarter then congress
http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/drug-treatment_-without-the-heroin-programme-i-d-probably-be-dead-/37819830
>>72298552
So where are people getting "cut" and "impure" oxycodone? Is the lactose monohydrate in them killing people? Is it the corn starch? Microcrystalline cellulose?
Because you know many people per day die from its overdose.
>>72290584
nah, youve never been addicted to heroin if you believe this. jesus christ people dont understand opiate addiction.
>>72289777
>How do we stop the heroin epidemic?
Wipe out the people with predilection to heroin and other illicit/degenerate substances. Once they die out, the epidemic ends.
They're weak. They deserve extinction.
>>72298670
one problem, what the dea gonna do for a livin coupled with all them prison unions what are u trying to do not waste money frivolously
>>72298396
>would not be the national OD champions
Nope, that is still alcohol.
Kill all the drug addicts!
To stop obesity, we remove all the fat people!
To stop unemployment, we remove all the niggers!
See the pattern?
>>72298598
Have you noticed any like CIA type fuckery or any other damning evidence of corrupt government letting the drugs into the country in the first place. I mean, we all know that the CIA deals the drugs but like, have you ever seen anything fishy?
>>72298976
why cant we also kill the fat and unemployed
>>72298608
Yeah I thought as much. I would still rather deal with opiate withdrawals than go through that again. Had me crawling up the walls wanting to kill myself for 10 days where as opiate withdrawals just had me running to the toilet every 30 minutes for a few days until I discovered the bliss of loperamide.
>>72298623
Yeah I was prescribed them for orchitis (an infection in the testicles) and a damaged nerve in one of them resulting from that. I'm off the opiates now and on lyrica for it which works better but apparently has benzo like withdrawals if you stay on it for long enough.
Referred me to a chronic pain/nerve specialist but he's booked out until august lmao
>>72289777
>thinking all heroin is bad just because a couple people in your life are addicts
That's like not wanting people to drink alcohol just because it kills people who overabuse it and/or become alcoholics. Everything in moderation.
>>72298396
yeah, they're overprescribed. Dentists and doctors need to start with just Nsaids first and only go up to opioids if the Nsaids aren't doing enough after an operation.
My dentist just said to take some ibuprofen after I had a root canal. It was fine. When I had my wisdom teeth removed in the Navy they prescribed me like 5 days of vicodin. I only really needed it the first day, by the second day, I think I still used it but probably could have tolerated the ache without it. It just felt like I got punched in both sides of the mouth the day before.
I had arthroscopic knee surgery they gave me 2 weeks of 10mg hydrocodone Norcos. 2 weeks worth of 2 norcos every 8 hours. I only again needed it for post op pain for 3 days, max. After that aleve was enough.
They need to prescribe post op opioids for 2, maybe 3 days max, with the ability to COME IN AND BE SEEN BY THE DOCTOR in order to get a refill if needed, at the doctor's discretion.
I mean I don't doubt some post op pain might need a few more days of more powerful pain meds.. but they should prescribe shorter durations of it by default, if they prescribe it at all, and get to know their patients pain levels for procedures. If it's a dentist you've had before.. they should know "okay, they said that root canal last time didn't cause them much pain and they didn't use the vicodin, so let's see if they can get by with just ibuprofen this time".
Just common sense erring on the side of caution.
