Best fuckin' fighter ever made
It can down any potential adversary
>PAK-FA
Even if it was somehow better than F-22 (which it isnt),the Russians cant even produce more that 5 PAK-FA's.
>J-20/J-31
No way that Chinese could make a fighter better than F-22.''Chinese stole F-22 technologyits the same Aircraft!''
If USA knows how to make F-22,it certainly knows what its weaknesses are,and they're going to use it.Also no way chinese could produce the same aircraft as F-22.We can see a chinese copy of everything.It may look good,but its shit.
>Gripen/Eurofighter/Rafale/Su-35
No stealth.Eurocrafts can be shot down BVR from kilometers away.
>M-muh radar.
F-22 has the same,or even better radar than Eurocrafts.
>M-muh dogfighting training victories
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOswfrc7Xtg
In real combat,this would be rare occasion.
Gripen pilot had long time locking the gun sight on the F-22.The F-22 never hunts alone.Gripen would be downed by another F-22 way before it would lock on the first F-22.
Just imagine a scenario,USA vs Any rogue state that bought export Rafales.The F-22 would outnumber the rafales anway.(Since USA and France will never fight in near future).
>SAMS
Fly at damn high altitude,antiradar missiles from F-35's and poof.
>M-muh F-117A shot down
Look at my flag.Look.
That F-117A was flying the same exact flight path as the days before,and had the bomb doors open,it was on flight back to the Airbase when it finished dropping its bombs in targets in Belgrade.
Keep it up,USA.
You guys may have bombed my country,but damn,i do admire the Aircraft.
agreed
>>72276707
>F-22 PPU (Price per Unit) $361M
>F-4 PPU: $12-$14M
You can literally buy 28 F-4s for the price of one (1) F-22, and both are multi-role aircraft. Waste of tax-payer money.
>>72276707
A-10 is
>>72276707
YF-23 here. F22 a shit.
>>72276707
>You guys may have bombed my country,but damn,i do admire the Aircraft.
Dude that's like Stockholm Syndrome. Seek help.
>>72281067
>Just price per unit
So now you have to pay the salary of 28 F-4's. Salary of crew chiefs for each plane. Maintenance and fuel consumption for each plane. Logistics and basing for each plane. 28 planes is more than your average squadron.
Meanwhile that 1 F-22 could probably systemically destroy all 28 F-4's over time.
>>72281067
JDF pls go
>>72276707
If it's any consolation, Serbia started WW1 and thus the decline of the western world. So all bombs are deserved.
>>72283371
>implying
Its like some random american dude who has no connection to american goverment killed Putin.And now russia wants to enter with their police and army to arrest every man they want.And USA refuses,and now Russia declares war on USA.
Did USA start the WW3?
>>72281513
I never said i love USA for bombing my country,no,i hate them for it.
But whats wrong with admiring the Aircraft?
>>72276707
It doesnt matter how good it is, it will never be this sexy
>pic obviously related
>>72276707
>No stealth
Implying that matters. Both Russia and China have mobile RADAR systems that can detect F22 long before they're in visual range
>>72285834
Visual range when dealing with aircraft that move at mach 2 is not much.
I hear this meme alot about stealth and muh russian radars can easily detect,
but who told you that?
>>72285524
That's just a bloated Gripen.
>>72285834
I really doubt that any radar can detect F-22 while its far away
>>72281310
Hello darkness..my old friend
>>72281310
Into the trash it goes. Never to be reborn. For a brief moment it shined in the darkness. Then it was extinguished forever.
>>72287701
really .....
Nice proxy burger brain.
>>72281067
sprey pls go
>>72281067
F-22 isn't a multi-role
>F-22
>the greatest meme jet fighter of all time
Pick both
>>72276707
The F22 is not indestructible. One missile is all it takes to shoot it down. It will never see combat.
Also >$150,000,000
not worth it.
>>72281310
Northrop fugg'd the US gubment so hard on the B2 and previous contracts (sustainment/logistics --> where 80% of the money is) --> they almost on purpose chose the F-22 even though it wasn't as advanced
gg
Hungarian guy in Serbia Who shoted down a F117 during Nato-Serbian war
>>72286715
>long before
Reading comprehension is not your strongest point I see.
Russia just make it usless when you have an s-300, s-400 or even s-500 F-22 raptor can only be in one place .. in the garage.. cus now they are just spensive trash
>>72288200
>long before
a general as fuck description
at what range then norway?
lets try and be a little more specific since your entire argument rests on that information
The future is now. F22 was sexy when it was the new hotness. We just send this up to steal satellites and then drop those satellites as weapons.
well its easy, putin put just one on syria and usa just start crying .. no more invasions with s-300 guarantee... and not mention s-400 and shit on your pants with s-500....
How well would an S-500 work when shit is getting dropped from space on it?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279629/Thats-meteor-American-weapon-test-Russian-politicians-bizarre-claim-10-ton-space-rock-Cuba-claims-hit-earlier-week.html
>>72290488
Like all things there is always a way to counter it.
They build something and then we find a way to beat it, they find a way to beat that and so on.
Nothing is invincible but go say it can be locked tracked and successfully engaged with a missile because, "I say it can, someone told me, I read it on the internet," does not cut it for me.
Nobody has ever done it. No plane has been shot down to know one way or the other.
Since this has never ever happened I am asking where are people getting this information as such.
This is more of a sarcastic remark than anything because nobody knows how either system will perform in real world combat conditions. Or that it will not be the raptor taking out the S class SA systems anyway. That is not the job the Raptor was designed to do.
So again I say, who told you that?
Who told anybody that?
The beautiful thing about space warfare is there is already plenty of ammunition available for kinetic bombardment.
http://stuffin.space/
>>72281139
A-10 is not a fighter.
>>72291953
that thing was in space 675 days scouting out shit to throw
>>72276707
I agree
That thing is an amazing creation. Makes me proud of the human race just looking at that thing.
A little sad too since we can do something this amazing for all the wrong reasons.
>>72292469
>I'm anything you want me to be, baby.
>>72288200
You don't even need to shoot missles at it. Don't even bother. Its shit range and high maintenance needs means that you just need to knock out the in-flight refuelers and/or wait a few days until the F-22s are all grounded for maintenance.
Or you could overwhelm it with massive numbers of cheapass J-10s or whatever. Not much it can do when it runs out of missles.
The only real use I see for the F-22 is on defense. That way, it doesn't have to worry about operational range and in-flight refueling, and will have lots of help in knocking out waves of chinkshit.
/k/ is that way
>>72276707
The F-22 needs an air combat record before it can be considered the best anything. So far it has only dropped 1000lb. JDAMs in Syria basically taking over the role left after the F-1117 retired. Otherwise it has intercepted a few Russian bombers for mutual photo ops.
>>72288008
they made it multi role
>>72276707
oh no rain
[spoiler]did they fix that yet?[/spoiler]
>>72288200
> S-400
AGM-88 HARM
>>72293355
>Or you could overwhelm it with massive numbers of cheapass J-10s
does a zerg rush really work in this instance?
im thinking no but hey, i could be wrong
always thought this was a clever design
>>72293355
F-22 is designed as a first-strike capability to hit highly defended targets. F-15, F-35, F-18, F-16, etc can then follow up. Lastly, A-10, AH-64 and other low-threat environment aircraft take over.
>>72297140
I really wish they could make an a10 replacement that is still built around its gun
Why did Canada have to remove the avro arrow
>>72297028
It's just so sexy that you don't care that it's outdated.
>>72297589
sexy transcends time. it did its job back in the day and was clever engineering.
>>72297386
What was old will be new again, have faith anon.
>>72297786
i love that this picture exists
airplane circlejerk?
>>72297140
I know. The problem is that to do that, it needs range. To get range, it needs refueling. Take out the air tankers, and the F-22 isn't going to strike shit.
>>72296793
Yeah, it does, which is why the USAF has developed tactics for mixed fighter wings comprised of a F-22 and a bunch of F-15s.
>>72298135
i thought it had some fuel efficient mach 2 supercruise that didnt need afterburners?
>>72293355
400 km isn't shit range m8. That means that the F-22 can be downed as soon as it lifts off at every eastern european airport there is.
>>72298077
Jerk me
>>72296793
It's a real possibility, yes. Remember we don't really believe in dogfighting anymore. It takes a discrete amount of time to lock a target, open a weapons bay, and fire a missile. And you only carry a few missiles. Once they're done you have to spend time on the ground to reload.
So if you have 6 missiles per plane and 5/6 hit the target, and the enemy has 6 times your number of planes, no other forces in play, they pretty much have the win. You knock out 5/6 enemies, but the remaining enemies knock out all your jets.
>>72298276
x15 yes
>>72276707
The chinese got a hold of 3/4ths of a f117 and im sure they got some of the stealth helicopter that crashed during the bin laden raid. This is how the chinks get their technology, and its never as good.
>>72298307
inderesding
stuck between this and a creepshot thread. muh dick can only take so much
travesty that there was no replacement for this
anyone still here and care that im posting planes, or should i fuck off?
>>72298664
Is that a Concorde?
>>72298743
That's a XB-70 Valkyrie, a mach 3 bomber that never passed the prototype stage
>>72298743
valkarie
its wing tips folded down to ride the shockwave iirc
thing was a beast
>>72298801
Why does Mexico know so much about aircraft?
Pic related is my wallpaper
>>72298727
no keep posting
>>72298727
I'll print pics of your plane and ejaculate on them.
>>72298077
>posting the GOAT
no fair
>>72298224
Yeah, supercruise is neat, but its range is still only 1,900mi or so, which limits it to fairly short sorties if there isn't a tanker on hand.
>>72298307
What makes it worse is that the F-22 can't use the AIM-120D or AIM-9X yet (although a year ago it was at least able to test fire a 9X, so that's something), and won't get helmet mounted sights and multicueing until at least 2020, if ever. The F-35 development basically assraped the F-22 getting updated to be as capable as it was supposed to be from the beginning.
It's sad, there was a truly great plane in there somewhere, but today's US aerospace industry can't develop a good bird to save its fucking neck.
>>72298928
flying fortress. she served us well but it took a heavy toll.
>>72298956
iirc this a pratt&wittney wasp engine
think there was a 48cy version.
>>72299033
>1,900mi or so
that doesnt seem too bad. we usually do missions with tankers i thought
>>72284282
Why does everyone hate Serbs? Besides all the genocides and shit. They shot down a goddamn stealth fighter using 1950s radar technology from Russia.
>>72299189
they got lucky with that shot. and we were sloppy.
>>72288516
Soviet Union 404'd like 10% through their production run for the B2, not really their fault but they got fugged hard.
>>72299324
they still pull their weight imo
hell, we flew one near best korea for them to see putting them in their place (at least for a bit)
>watching trump's speech today
>bashes on the B-52
he doesnt know that this airframe is GOAT and being upgraded
pisses me off a bit to be honest
>>72298077
>>72298224
>>72298877
>>72299033
>>72299176
Urge to replace VHS copy rising.
>>72287701
Detect yes. Target no.
>>72299316
>dont talk to me or my wife's wingmen ever again
>>72276707
The F-3 following the ATD-X program will be better.
>>72299673
4U
>>72299713
kek
>>72276707
You should it was engineered by Jews
>inb4 "delete this!!"
trump wants to cancel this!
someone tell him that this thing is GOAT
>>72285524
you have to admit that it looks shit
but looks do not win wars
... but still looks gay af
>>72298077
:'( they retired it. I hate them so much for it.
does this count?
>>72299176
F-16 is 2,600-ish, F-15E is 3,500 or so. And yeah, KC-135s are a thing, but in a war against anyone with a real air force, they'll be attacked hard.
>>72299614
Trump is a dumbfuck.
>>72299721
Japan going full autism on a new fighter is fucking awesome. But it's fucking weird how conventional it looks.
>>72296682
>AGM-88 HARM
S400 shoots that thing down within it's 70km missle defense radius
that if the plane somehow passes it's 400km airdefense radius
>>72300086
sometimes i wonder if a satellite is really any better. your enemy can predict them, not so with a mach 3 bullet. i really hope we have a top secret replacement
>>72300168
>but in a war against anyone with a real air force, they'll be attacked hard.
makes sense
any lurkers?
should i continue?
>>72300448
Rockets are cool
this plane won the cold war
>>72300168
I wish they wouldn't have to but you won't sell your fighters to em. You'll sell em to Israel who will once again sell the technology to China.
>>72290894
>future is now
>we can..
>US still has to buy rocket engines from Russia and ask Russia to bring its astronauts on orbit
>>72300584
>>72300593
they still fly them too
someone else post too please. always looking for neat pics to add to my collection
>>72300086
Between UAVs, satellites, and Things What Can Not Be Discussed, the SR-71's role kinda disappeared, and it was too expensive to keep going. It sucks that it's no longer flying, but the rationale is understandable. Maybe the SR-72 will happen, but it won't be as sexy.
>>72300606
China almost certainly has every tidbit of info on the F-35. Between Israel's bullshit and their own hacking efforts, it's likely that they have full dox on the whole fucking US military and its equipment.
Anyway, they even have their own plane based partly on the F-35, the J-31. It copies a lot of the F-35, but presumably not the suck and the high costs.
thread dead?
>>72300928
have a thirsty stealth drone
>>72301900
thats pretty neat. amazing what we can do now
>>72276707
PAK-FA is a shitty plane. Guess how I know? Even ruskies and poo-in-loos don't buy them.
>>72301463
Needs additional ghost guns and shoulder things that go up, to allow more thrusts per squeeze.
>M-muh radar.
>F-22 has the same,or even better radar than Eurocrafts.
Doesn't work like this if the enemy has land based radars. Finland is currently in process of buying a new plane. Air Force's assessment from simulations etc is that while stealth is nice, a mimo radar can beat it in many scenarios. So it's questionable if one should buy a few "stealth" planes instead of multiple tested platforms that can be serviced in the field etc.
>>72276707
>You guys may have bombed my country,but damn,i do admire the Aircraft.
ya sorry about that,
if it makes you feel better it wasn't personal
we bomb a lot of countries
>>72302325
talkabout bristling with guns
![l39c-01[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2OiUtm4.jpg "l39c-01[1].jpg")
Step aside for this beauty, fags
OV-10 off to push the islamic state's shit in
>>72299189
retard left the bomb bay door open
>>72302610
charlie's worst fucking nightmare
>>72302644
honestly, how does that happen?
these guys are supposed to be highly trained
>>72300094
This is cooler.
>>72300727
It's kinda pitiful actually :D And next we will see China building a moon base or some shit.
>>72303320
fuck the buran, it was a shuttle ripoff.
the only thing they did right was to stick with soyuz.
as much as the shuttle was an engineering triumph i think we overdid it. it became too expensive and maintenance intensive
>>72303548
> it was a shuttle ripoff.
Link please.
> the only thing they did right was to stick with soyuz.
Yea. It has better engines than what Americans ever created :)
> as much as the shuttle was an engineering triumph i think we overdid it. it became too expensive and maintenance intensive
Well the soviet one was able to perfom unmanned if necessary, how about the American one? Also I'm pretty sure the American shuttle was cancelled because it got too unsafe.
Oh and the first shuttle crash was caused by the good old american idiocy: they used rubber o-rings near that couldn't handle cold weather :D Interesting if this is what Americans call "over-engineering" :D
How can F-15s even compete
>>72303804
It got cancelled because it was 30 years old.
Not just a 30 year old design but literally a 30 year old spacecraft that were used upwards of 40 times each.
They long surpassed their wear out dates. The fact they were able to be reused so many times and for so long is a tribute to their quality.
>>72285524
looks like a small, diseased penis
>>72299189
yea they never locked it with a radar. it was found out later that it had been using that same egress over and over passing thru that area several times prior. Was flying the same route out of the country as it had flown in and its weapons bay doors had malfunctioned in the unclean configuration.
Was shot basically with AAA not surface to air missiles.
Failed mission planning and equipment caused that to happen.
And someone on the ground that was a kick ass shot with that bb.
>>72304137
>It got cancelled because it was 30 years old.
Bullshit. It got cancelled because it just wasn't very good.
> The Space Shuttle program has been criticized for failing to achieve its promised cost and utility goals, as well as design, cost, management, and safety issues
> Not just a 30 year old design but literally a 30 year old spacecraft that were used upwards of 40 times each.
So are you saying that American designs age over two times faster than Russian ones? :D
> They long surpassed their wear out dates. The fact they were able to be reused so many times and for so long is a tribute to their quality.
Nice propaganda. Sadly it's not true :)
>>72276707
the f22 was an expensive piece of shit that later got cancelled due to constant malfunctions
learn your shit faggot
>>72298276
good picture
that was taken in 1959
the pube was added later
the ayyyylmaos were always there
>>72285524
Those are nice and the rapter pilots I cought in chocks that sparred with them in UAE had a heathy respect for them. That being said even with the crazy restricted ROE we were operating under and the Luxembourg lens installed so they could get a lock on us we still moped the floor with them. The 22 is just Scarry good in the air.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6KBmv6HBltM
>>72305427
>cancelled
U whot m8 there are over 180 F22's in active service right now. Yes they cut the order roughly in half, but that had a lot to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union. When the reds stopped having the ability to even attempt to counter the raptor we didn't need 400 of them. Now that the J20 is coming on line the air force is looking at restarting production.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/2016/04/21/facing-election-fight-forbes-pushes-f-22-revival/83352746/
>>72276707
Saw zero combat for first 10 years because it's too expensive, too complicated and too fragile to have real-world combat value in an active warzone.
Now you've had it lob a couple of JDAMs at helpless Syrians so you can go "see! it's not just a 70 billion dollar airshow queen!"
Really stretching the alleged abilities there guys. Also it can carry a whole two (2) 1000-pounders. That's really going to turn the tide.
In short, the F-22 is defeated by dust, rain, sunshine, software bugs and international time zones, and it also gives pilots brain damage by oxygen deprivation. But it is the most expensive and pointless method ever of delivering two bombs into a Hilux technical.
>>72307127
>>72307127
Thank you for revealing to everyone in this thread how little you know despite your google F15 schematic..
>>72307316
Could you get me a job at Lockheed Martin? I have zero morals and can block off objective reality if the (taxpayer-funded) paycheck is juicy enough.
>>72307592
sorry man I don't hire shills for our potential enemies spouting the same meme's over and over in an attempt to influence the public against the most advanced air superiority fighter known to the public.
>>72308055
You really should reconsider, with the right incentive I could easily turn to shitposting about the PAK-FA ;)
>>72307127
2 gbu38's or 8 gbu39's. In the next couple of years it will get it's first serious block upgrade and it's capeabilities will get even better. Especially when it starts mounting the CUDA and basically doubles it's internal storage capacity.
>>72276707
Its good for sure, just as tigers were in WW2. Do you know how tigers were defeated? With cheap and shit shermans by just numerically owerwhelming them
>>72308480
>block upgrades
>>72308884
Numbers are really not an issue as you can see.
>>72308884
>>72281139
A10 is the biggest piece of shit ever made in terms of cas jets
>>72310446
gr8 b8 m8 2l82h8
>>72309883
Almost all of the raptor upgrades are it's coms and computers and stores. We haven't even gotten close to the F16's Frankenstein ecm cft's yet. I never understood how they expect to 30day the gun with those tanks in the way.
>>72303804
>Link please.
It really was. All the engineering marvels made useless by incompetent governance.
>Murricans have shuttle! It looks cool! Who cares if it's useless overpriced shit, we want one too!
>>72294860
Red Flag is about as close to the real thing as you can get. Probably even tougher then the real thing would be versus many potential adversaries.
The Raptor fucking dominates. I don't think the gap between one fighter and all the rest has ever been so large.
>>72300168
>And yeah, KC-135s are a thing, but in a war against anyone with a real air force, they'll be attacked hard.
A real air force you say?
So that means the USAF would have to fight Israel or the US Navy for Raptor range / tanker support to be a risk. Got it.
>>72276707
I hate to agree with you on this as a brit. but the F-22 is the best fighter imo. The eurofighter and raphale are no slouches, SU-37 and possibly MIG 35.
I'm not 100% on this but i think the eurofighter and F-22 are the only aircraft that can supercruise (Break sound barrier without afterburner)
F-18
/thread
>>72294860
the F-117 is not retired
>>72308884
The m4 shermans may have been shit.
E8s were great, granted they didn't see mass production till quite a while into the war
>>72312197
no they were not, compared to what everyone else had
>>72276707
Finland is going to order 20 new jets from either France, Israel, USA or UK. I hope it will be either USA or Israel
>>72314133
by "new" jets do you mean newly built? that would be a fucking disaster, there's nothing currently in production that's cost-effective enough for Finland. we should buy Israels old F-16s or some of Frances mothballed Mirage 2000s
>>72303548
>as much as the shuttle was an engineering triumph i think we overdid it. it became too expensive and maintenance intensive
It wasn't an engineering triumph you fucking moron. It was the least safe launch system ever devised.
Why don't they paint the bottoms of the planes sky blue and the tops of them camouflage?
>>72281310
Post more if you have them anon. The YF23 gives me a woody, I remember it from a PC game I used to play in the 80's
My dad bombed the fuck out of shit skins back in the 80's/90's with this bad boy.
>>72276707
>m-muh sekrit stealth teknolojee
>>72276707
You as a serb should kbow that stealth isn't invinceable
>not posting mig 15
>>72276707
>F-35
/thread
>tfw fly planes as a hobby
>tfw being a fighter pilot is incredibly hard in your country
Fuck that.
>>72308292
>5 built
>india backing out
>>72276707
>yfw you'll never join the US Air Force
>Become an Officer
>Train your way up until you get your wings
>Enter the danger zone
>You'll never save American lives in the ground
Jesus Christ, why live?
>>72276707
I am plagued
>be me
>3 years old
>mom tries to give me sweet peas
>lips engorge
>red all over
>it begins
>ff to 5
>grandma makes bomb ass crab legs
>in love with shellfish
>take a bite
>chokes from inflamed throat
>fug
>ff to 10 years old
>about to have a peanut butter and jelly sandwich
>don't like them, but eat them because I want to be like my dad
>literally cannot breathe
>taken to hospital
>told I have common allergies
>ff to now, 18
>brother (21) graduates from Air Force basic training
>want to go into Air Force
>talk to a family friend recruiter
>"Peanut allergies basically disqualify immediately"
>mfw
I can't even serve my country.
kms pl0x
>Captcha airplanes
>>72320752
R A R E
A ?
R ?
E ?
>>72276707
>high tech stealth plane
>gets shot down by two guys
no matter what you use against us, you cannot win in the long run
>>72322423
you must be new
>>72297386
They should make small unmanned armada of planes armed with these. Trying to accommodate for a pilot strapped on these is too much a bother.
>>72294860
the f-22 interceoted and chased of iranian f-4s as well.
>>72297386
the gau-8 was obselete for killing tanks when the a-10 entered service think bigger.
>>72322637
ya m8
>>72300086
What would you even do with one?
>>72304038
mach2
massive range
radar
aim-120
agm-88
agm-154.
>>72276707
>no EODAS
>>72315268
howd u get an EU flag?
>>72281067
That thing is older than my dads dick.
>>72276707
> rain
>>72276707
Chinese didn't steal the f22. They stole the f35. So basically unless they try to sell f35s it doesn't matter.
>>72276707
>Gripen pilot had long time locking the gun sight on the F-22.The F-22 never hunts alone.Gripen would be downed by another F-22 way before it would lock on the first F-22.
>could would should
Gripen is heavily networked, no problem detecting the F-22 with support systems, the F-22 is a fucking hangar queen, has never been used, guess why?
HANGAR QUEEN!
So I am sorry if this is sacrilege, but would it be possible/reasonable to give the A-10 a 120mm cannon?
>>72324357
your neglecting the fact that the uniteed states has the best comand and control network and data link in the world, jammers and anti radar missles.
>>72324933
only if you want the plane to break from firing.
>>72276707
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhoi/HAL_FGFA
Fighter Jet being co-developed by India and Russia which will be using PAK-FA as its base model
>>72293205
this is the only best plane
>>72310446
>A10 is the biggest piece of shit ever made
The A10 is one of the best support jets ever. It is a literal flying tank designed around one of the biggest machine guns to ever go airborne. Name one other jet that can fly missing half its engines, half its tail, hydraulics, an elevator, and half a fucking wing, while taking enough rounds to the cockpit that would leave the pilot of a lesser aircraft needing to be hosed out, and still return its pilot to base safely after completing a mission.
>>72302933
They were doing pretty much the same route over and over again.
Even if you are highly trained, complacency can set in.
