People of /pol/, Bernie supporter, here. After these last two rounds of primaries, it's obvious Bernie has essentially no chance of winning the democratic nomination. And I've accepted that. You can call me names, say, "BERNIE BTFO," or whatever you want; it's all right with me. I don't care at this point. I won't be voting for Trump come November, and I certainly won't vote for Hillary due to the fact that she ruined what hopes I had to revive the progressive ideology for the democratic party. But I do ask of you this one thing, /pol/:
When you vote for Trump and win this November, make it fucking hurt.
Dude vote Trump, it will do more for the Progressive party than anything else. These neoliberals have to die. They have to see what all their right leaning policies have been doing.
>>72271836
I don't want want to vote out of spite, and the last election was the last time I voted for the "lesser of two evils". I haven't fully decided, but I'll vote for Jill Stein after I actually read up about her. We'll see.
>>72271334
Vote Trump, but you need to give up on being "progressive" its just Communism repackaged to sound less destructive. Read and Lurk moar, but I am not gonna kick you while your down.
>>72271334
Join the Trump Train. It's not too late!
>>72272087
I'll be lurking for a long time.
Watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2ZHh2EWnzk
>>72272087
>Communism repackaged to sound less destructive
Sounds like you need to read friendo.
>>72272085
It's not voting out of Spite, it's voting to crash the 2 party narrative and show the Democrats what their right leaning neoliberals have done to the narrative. If Trump wins, the complete opposite of Trump will snatch the election next time, whether that be Bernie Sanders or another Socialist.
I donated a testicle to raise money for Bernie, match me?
>>72271334
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/positions/tax-reform
I have no clue how you feel trump would worsen the poors situation, when 74 million Americans will not pay taxes at all after trump, I'm unemployed and in poverty, trump is the only one who actually introduces policies to help the poor.
>>72272085
>>72272085
>stein
>just Jew my shit up!
>>72272379
>fuck illegals who directly fuck with the poors quality of life
>fuck outsources of labor
>giving labor money to our poor people
>not taxing people until they make 25k! and if married 50k!!! 0 taxes!
right now governent takes hundreds of dollars from the proletariats pay check, with trump the poor will be able to progress.
>>72272379
welfare will never be a solution to poverty, only WORK and border control.
>>72272334
That still sounds like manipulating the process and therefore not a genuine way to vote for what I want. I'd prefer to be honest.
>>72272334
While I agree the 2 party system is phony. There is a lot you don't understand. Depending on how you have been effected even being confronted with the truth probably won't convince you.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA
>>72272085
So you're purposefully cucking yourself in a pique of impotent ideological rage?
Vote for Trump. It will do everything for the Progressive Movement. t. fellow bernie bro.
>>72271334
Don't worry, lazy fag, working won't be so bad. You can probably get a good job with your "studies" degree to support yourself, instead of relying on Bernie to force others to SUPPORT your worthless ass instead of killing you.
>>72272518
Hillary = Freiza
Bernie = Vegeta
Trump = Goku
>>72272907
I work 40 hours a week at a decent paying job. I prefer STEM majors over any idealistic shit. I also hate the BLM movement and 3rd wave feminists. I also like guns. The thing I like about Bernie is his economics. Bash me on that, fellow /pol/ack
>>72272357
Sorry, bro. Did that for Obama in 08, then again in 012
>>72273154
the problem is he just won't get anything through the Republican suits. they'll go full on shut down everthing mode again before theyd let him even lower the price of a big mac. I know the lesser of two evil thing is fucked but at the end of the day you are either looking at hillary or trump. do the right thing m80.
>>72273154
There is no theory. Any of that "tax the rich" nonsense does not produce any kind of economic benefit. IF I had $30,000 that I had saved to buy a car, and government steals (taxes) the $30,000 away from me to buy someone else car for $30,000, there were no additional cars produced. Title to the car was merely given to someone else. No economy was boosted. Any of these magical "government stimulating the economy" is completely impossible. Government can either consume some of tomorrow's output today (borrowing), dilute the value of money by printing currency, or steal from one person to give to another. Nothing is created or stimulated. Economists are just slick, fast talking, fake statistics spouting front men, covering for the government's theft. There is no economic "multiplier" when the government spends money beyond the "multiplier" effect created when the person who EARNED the money spent it. Almost ALL mainstream economics are edifices of falsehoods erected by the state to justify plundering the populace.
>>72271334
Reddit and Tumblr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlAciinO_Us
Bernie phone FAGS
>yfw the_donald has already taken over the sanders reddit
>it's the second most active subreddit on the entire site
could reddit actually become decent? if even these fags are getting on board trump will destroy the general
>>72273864
The only one who is for YOUR interests as a poor American worker is trump.
How about we all just write-in Will Forte on election day?
>>72273864
Would you as a poor American prefer paying 10% or paying 0% in taxes?
>>72273873
You mean
>taxes (steals)
right?
Well, hypothetically if somebody has more money to spend, then they will likely put more money into the economy. That's what I plan on doing now since I'm completely debt free. But I don't automatically support government handouts or that shit if you're working a decent paying job.
The economy would be more stimulated if companies paid their workers more, and companies are completely free to do that, but most companies don't. But if they did, then less people would be on welfare to leech off of the government.
>>72273947
Tumblr's gay as fuck. I didn't mention it in my OP, but I'm one of those leftists who hates SJWs.
>trumpfags of /pol/ want to call us cucks for supporting Bernie but then beg for our votes after
Pathetic desu
>>72272669
Depends on what kind of welfare. If people had the chance to have free healthcare (everybody left, right, whatever, knows it's not free, but the FD and the PD appears free to me and you even though we both know it comes out of our taxes), but if companies paid better, then people wouldn't have to rely on monetary welfare since they were getting money by working, which most people in this country do.
YOU the American worker should be the priority, not illegals or international capital.
>>72275215
no welfare will ever cure poverty only increase it.
If you aren't an illegal you're voting against your interest, factually.
>>72271334
You're going to be pleased with your vote. You may never vote Demorat again.
>>72275564
Only work and production will eliminate the impoverished, only an extremely closed border will leave us to work on YOU instead of them.
YOU EITHER JUMP ON THE TRUMP TRAIN OR GET RUN OVER BY IT
MAKE YOUR CHOICE FAGGOT
>>72275693
Well, we have fantastic production right now, and not a lot of capital to inject because the money's being hoarded at this time. Workers have never been more productive, due to our sufficiently advanced technology. But with money being stagnant, the economy won't grow as fast as it could.
>>72275944
I'll get run over. What else have ya got for me?
>>72276045
50 million unemployed vast majority in non productive sectors, no production, no factories, a mess.
Liberals a trump presidency will be the nail in the coffin for family value conservatism. Just something to keep in mind.
>>72271334
it's okay OP
we are both trying to fuck our parties into oblivion; but we're succeding
possibly the most reddit postever yikes
>>72276045
Money is not being hoarded. Banks lend the money to businesses to make payroll, to buy production equipment, and people to buy cars and homes. I'm getting pretty tired of hearing stupid thieves keep repeating the lie that it is fine to steal your stuff because they'll make better use of it. Fuck you.
>mfw TYT and other liberal pundits are already shilling for Hillary and criticizing the "Bernie or Bust" attitude
I'm fucking disgusted at this desu. Anything not to have "le raycist" as president, right.
>>72276119
There is plenty of stock on every shelf in every store in the US. What stores are empty or not full at this time?
>50 million unemployed vast majority in non productive sectors, no production, no factories, a mess.
Can you be a little bit more coherent with your grammar? This is a legitimate, unintentionally offensive request.
>>72272334
I always chuckle at the retarded libshits who still consider Trump to be a conservative when the truth he's more along the lines of a moderate. Other hardcore conservatives hate Trump for a reason and it's mostly because they don't consider him conservative enough.
You can keep dreaming of the magical socialist utopia you'll have one day here, it won't happen, not for a long time.
>>72276229
You'll do well on your end, brother
>>72276361
Low effort
>>72276374
Wealth inequality is a real thing. To deny this further will not get a reply out of me
>>72276390
This is why it's important to never idolize anyone.
>>72276442
Too few factories, majority non producers, 100 million houses, 350 million people, 50 million unemployed.
>>72276374
Also,
>Fuck you
I think you just showed us your orientation, fuck boi ; }
>>72271334
So did you take out second mortgage to donate to Bernie's campaign or are you actually 13?
Well, I guess its neither since you're probably a starbucks barista or an 'insert self-identified victims here' studies major, or a bohemian degenerate like most of Bernie's voting age supporters.
We kind of have to care about American politics up here because where America goes, Canada follows, no matter what the left- honourable cuckhold Trudeau has to say on the matter. Both Sanders and Trump offer a chance for the US political system to clean house in a very necessary way, except Trump probably won't work to turn Americans into a race of bankrupt, over-taxed castratos like is the norm in Europe.
>>72276715
What stores are empty or not full at this time?
>>72275215
So by paying higher taxes and having less buying power, we'll somehow have a better standard of living. And you liberals wonder why people consider you to be retarded.
>>72276442
It's not a question of sufficient production to be able to be non producers, it's a question of not enough production to eliminate class goals from the citizens
>>72276887
Stores being empty or full is not what I'm talking about.
>>72276875
See my other post to know more about me, here:
>>72273154
And see
>>72274660
>>72271334
I am also a Bernie Supporter. Come the general election I will vote anyone but Hilldog. But I do have to say that all you Trump fags are irritating as fuck. Bernie Has been my number one choice since the beginning Now I have to choose between a demagogue and a war criminal. Also everyone knows these past Democratic primaries have not been transparent and that fraud has helped Clinton. But you Trump fags never realized that the system did everything in it's power to stop Bernie but not Trump.Therefore Bernie is a threat to the establishment not Trump. But hey I do hope you guys get what you think your'e voting for if he where to win the election. But something tells me he might just give it up to Clinton.
>>72272085
>throwing your vote away
Why do people do this? You're better off just staying home, hell you can even write-in Bernie on the ballot.
>>72272518
Well he did support a jew already (Sanders) so it's natural he'll move on to another merchant.
>>72276887
How many people you know work producing something that can be exported or distributed?
Having sufficient goods in stores not a milestone or anything meaningful in Western European economic history.
>>72276646
The liberal argument of income inequality has been bullshit since it's inception
Someone having more money than you has no effect on the potential money you can earn and nor does it affect your standard of living unless you're the jealous type who can't stand people living a lifestyle better than yours.
>>72271334
YOU FAGGOT SHOULD HAVE BEEN INTERRUPTING AND ATTACKING HILLARY RALLIES NOT TRUMPS
fucking retards
>>72275035
>you don't even vote
Liberalism = gimme "free shit"
>>72277410
I fully understand socialists and other people who believe that workers should be prioritized, all workers should have their own house.
>>72271334
>I won't be voting trump
>I want hillary to hurt
well then stop being a pussy and vote trump. clearly this is why you and bernie lost. Because hillary is hostile and bernie is a pansy like you. You may think I'm harsh, but the truth hurts. If you don't want to hear something like that, then change your life and change your future. There is no use in sulking and crying over your future. It won't change anything, thats the leftist feminist retards way of trying to solve shit. You have to change it yourself if you want a GOOD outcome.
>>72276900
Generally, people who have decent pay and healthcare they don't care about, then yes, standard of living will increase. See Denmark's happiness index.
Also, your aggressiveness doesn't really reflect my OP or any of my other posts, but if you want to continue to play those cards with a result of little fluster from me, then that's your card to play. Good luck this November.
>>72277589
The only way to obtain this is through WORK, SWEAT, SACRIFICE, AND DEDICATION TO THE NATION!
>>72276965
Well, you did say production.
>>72271334
OP you do realize there is still a chance Shillary will be indicted, right?
>>72271334
Join the Trump Train, buddy. After all these crushing losses that you've suffered, don't you think that you deserve to enjoy some wins for once?
>>72271334
>reading this thread on my cell
>phone suddenly rings
>unknown number with a nearby area code
>think it's someone from work
>answer
>"hello I am a volunteer for democratic front-runner Bernie Sanders"
>I laugh audibly before I hang up
At least you know when to give up, op
>>72272085
Bernie has a better chance of winning than Stein even if he doesn't get the nomination. You should vote for him if you want to send that message.
He's being taken down just as bad as Trump. The only difference is that Bernie isn't convincing enough to manipulate it for his cause.
>>72277743
Not enough production, and most of it is imported thus giving labor wages and jobs to non Americans.
>>72277276
You're absolutely right. That's why I never protested a Trump rally. I don't agree with everything that ever happens on the left with supporters or politicians. I don't even have a political ideology I identify with considering ideologies are hypothesis at best.
>>72272085
Check out trumps website. His positions are surprisingly progressive. Don't let the medias inaccurate portrayl MISLEAD you
>>72277598
The comments between my OP and yours has some relevant information for you. I'm not gonna make a wall of text for my OP explaining everything. Nobody will read that shit.
>>72271836
>>72272085
I can't even tell if you guys are serious
Bernie is saying, and has done, the exact same thing as Hillary.
They both say they are attacking big banks, and wallstreet, and the 1%, and money hoarders, and the elites, and the upper-class (5%ers)
They also both did everything in their power to protect the federal reserve from getting audited.
Jews
>>72277743
There will be sufficient production when all our citizens have all of what we can produce and then work to export for resources.
>>72272518
>>72277826
Yeah, I'm hoping for that, but I'm not gonna hold my breath.
>>72277835
Ha, nice. I planned that all along!
When the vast majority work in production is when America has enough production.
>>72278065
I don't really have as much of an argument boner for you right now, so you win, or whatever? I do not care anymore. But, yeah. You know what to do this November.
>>72277543
>Bernie: -8.81 for anyone lower than 20,000
He sure does care about the lower class
>>72273873
>No economy was boosted.
The person that has a car can now travel to work and pay taxes instead of sitting at home being poor.
You just don't calculate the net positive on society because it takes away some money from you.
>>72277743
Do you not understand the difference between production and importation? Are you being serious, or joking right now?
It's amazing how fundamentally illiterate Bernvictims are when it comes to economics.
>>72271334
Common desu, come to the side of Trump
Either he MAGA or burns the whole system down and we can restart it early.
ITT: Why you don't come to /pol/ for anything but worshipping Reaganomics and Trump 2016.
Cheers to the people actually trying to make a decent conversation out of this.
>>72271334
Progressive ideology is fucking cancer. Kill yourself.
Or reform and gain some testicles.
>>72277992
This. Trump is actually a centrist.
>>72277049
It doesn't matter that you hate SJWs, or any of your other shitty "no, but I'm one of the good ones" credentials. There is no such thing as a good leftist: leftism, the very leftism that Bernie Sanders represents, created SJWs and continues to help them flourish.
This is why I rarely use the term SJW if I can help it, because it gives 'liberals' an exoneration they don't deserve. You may not like it or them but they are absolutely the monster you created and that you continue to feed. The fact that you 'like Guns' and 'hate tumblr' is irrelevant because you threw in behind grampa gibs-me-dat, who openly subscribes to their ideology. And you justified it based on a downright retarded conception of economics based on high-taxation, low spending power and central planning which all worked so fucking well for the Warsaw pact.
Get fucked, commie.
>I won't be voting for Trump
That's unfortunate.
>and I certainly won't vote for Hillary
Great.
>>72276715
>implying our economy depends on industrial businesses
>>72279262
Eh, but Bernie's economics still operate within a massive marketplace, which by definition isn't communist, and is the opposite of a planned economy.
And, I never had any part in creating them. The phenomenon of culture did.
>grampa gibs-me-dat
That'd be the beginning of a strawman
Also, FDR's almost twice as high taxation as Bernie's concept didn't even kill our country.
>>72277711
Why do you retards continue to reference Denmark when they have one of the highest suicide rates in the world and one of the highest percentages of their population on anti depressants? Worse still, you all think it's because of the fact that they give half their money to the government for "free" shit all the while ignoring other things, like the lower buying power, lower household income even with those "high paying jobs" and all the while ignoring things like the fact that Denmark has no minimum wage and a market economy. You people represent a cancerous train of thought and it makes me happy that you and your retarded candidate are losing the presidential race.
>>72272357
I donated TWO faggot.
>>72279847
OK, how much more salt ya got?
>>72271334
Trump is a social progressive and fiscal conservative, what's not to like?
Fuck high taxes, fuck importing labor, goods, and services, and fuck these bullshit social issues that are nothing more than distractions.
You've already jumped ship and decided to vote for someone who you literally have no knowledge of just to spite a political party, why don't you just get a clue and vote?
Fuck this bleeding edge progressivism, it's fucking cancer and its destroying everything it touches. Look at Europe with all of those "social democratic utopias" full of violent, unemployed immigrants. Do you want that for this country? I sure as hell don't.
>>72271334
Oh we will anon.
We will.
>>72279262
Also, something else I'd like to mention. The BLM's shitty tactic of generalizing every instance of police killing an unarmed black man is in the same vein as you generalizing me as some barista starbucks general studies retard. You're the other side of the same coin in terms of generalizing. People in this country need to realize a lot of things are a case by case basis.
>>72271334
Want to make the Dem Party leaders who rigged everything for Shillary really hurt?
Vote for Trump. And send a copy of a thank you from Bern for a donation along with a copy of something for supporting Trump to Dem Party HQ when Trump wins.
Then find a younger politician who pushes Berns agenda and start supporting them with money and publicity next January
Get as many Bern supporters as you can do the same thing
This will beat the election rigging thieves machine in the Dem Party
It will force the Dem Party to take you and your candidates seriously
Next time the Party insiders will refrain from trying to tip the scales for a shill
profit
>>72273116
Underrated post.
>>72279768
If you're referring to the touted 90% tax on the rich, it was a) a consequence of World War Two and b) never, or almost never actually paid because so many loopholes and work arounds existed. Besides, I never said FDR was any better and that was back when the United States actually produced its own shit and when a factory job was a feasable way of supporting a family, so a tax increase wasn't necessarily quite so damaging, Great Depression notwithstanding. Thanks to the left's insistence on undercutting wages with 3rd World immigrants and cutting into Americans' wages through inflation to pay for more government that's no longer the case.
I'm not referring to the economics of his platform I'm referring to his having been a socialist his whole adult life and then switching hats to run as a democrat. The ideology which he's made his own corresponds with my characterization of it and you're in for a surprise if you think that I'm going to buy that his is a special-snowflake-but-his-is-different socialism that doesn't.
Also, culture isn't gravity, or the tide, it doesn't happen over and above human beings and you don't get to use it to cop out of being part of the new-left problem. If it is a 'phenomenon' in the way you seem to be using the word then its one which you, as a left-winger, had a role in starting, perpetuating or both.
>>72277119
>But you Trump fags never realized that the system did everything in it's power to stop Bernie but not Trump.
This is bait. Or a retard. Sanders supporters are tough to gauge sometimes.
>>72271334
cant tell if good troll or serious.
If troll, tip of the fedora to you sir.
If serious, ARE YOU FUCKING CLINICALLY MENTALLY HANDICAPPED? Our "movement" hasnt died you fucking child, it's just been postponed. 2020 or 2024 will have other progressives you can vote for and their movement at that time will work much better than Bernies.
DO YOUR FUCKING DUTY AS A DEMOCRAT. STOP TRUMP. THROWING YOUR VOTE AWAY TO A THIRD PARTY WONT ACCOMPLISH THAT.
stop being so shortsighted you child.
>>72280310
I was actually making fun of you as a Bernie Sanders supporter when I quipped that you were probably a starbucks barista. It's not a 'tactic' in the way you mean when referring to BLM. Not that its actually a 'tactic', in their case either. I believe the word you were looking for is 'premise'. Stealing the mic from Bernie Sanders was representative of their 'tactics', assuming every unarmed black man killed by police is a case of brutality is a premise.
>>72279228
I thought Reagan was more total gov control. Sorry anon I never studied reagan due to loss of interest but eh.
>>72273116
Not gonna lie, I cried on that scene.
>>72271334
>Bernie supporter, here.
>progressive ideology
>democratic party
my god... facepalm overload...
>>72271334
http://www.shakesville.com/2015/05/on-bernie-sanders-1972-essay.html
>A man goes home and masturbates his typical fantasy. A woman on her knees, a woman tied up, a woman abused.
>A woman enjoys intercourse with her man—as she fantasizes being raped by 3 men simultaneously.
The man is a literal cuck. Complete the cycle and vote Trump.
