Truly a great man!
>>72134889
hello debt
>taking credit for market forces
I would also like to thank Obama for pulling out of the Middle East prematurely and creating ISIS as a result (as well as funding them)
>>72135018
The market does really well under Democrats! Crashes under Republicans.
>>72134889
Top kek m8
>>72135053
>being this retarded
>>72135143
Policies take time to roost.
>>72135173
Top kek m8
>>72135189
Yeah we've been waiting for the trickle down for over 35 years.
>>72134889
Obama hired those people?
What's his company?
>>72135292
The United States of America.
Doing pretty damn well under his leadership.
>>72135339
how do you get to a point in your life where you try to sell a politician's "credit" on a message board?
What do you get out of it?
its like football or something? a fucking game?
>>72135173
He still funded them frenchie
>>72135388
>>72135432
False.
You didn't know that Bush invaded Iraq and destabilized the Middle East?
>>72135418
He's a Canadian. This is the only thing they have to live for.
I wonder how many of those positions went to foreigners in visa programs.
Probably more than half.
>>72135418
>how do you get to a point in your life where you try to sell a politician's "credit" on a message board?
wew lad
Do you say that to the Trump supporters?
>>72135454
>I hate Obongo so I must be a trump supporter
Why are Leafs so fucking stupid
>>72134889
This thread again.
>>72134889
>all the good jobs are eliminated
>poorfags have to get two jobs now
>be working at McDonald's
>be working another job at Verizon
-1 good job
+2 minimum wage jobs
12 million of those jobs went to illegal aliens.
>be in the drive thru like "Belcom to McDonnas"
If there are so many jobs then why is black unemployment so high?
If there are so many jobs how come people like OP can't afford to move out of their parents house?
If there are so many jobs then why do we need to raise the minimum wage? There would be competition for labor if there were "14 million" jobs.
How come there are 93 million workers not even in the workforce?
Also, the president has about as much to do with job creation as Zelda has to do with fishing lures.
You won't answer because you're a shill and somebody else made that graphic for you.
You probably don't even understand it...
>>72134889
Guys /pol/acks listen this is thencanadian shill again
He's been doing this same shit for over a month,
Stay away from his shill thread, he treats obama as a god king lord or something like a communist would
Just avoid this shill, hes mentally ill or paid well
usdebtclock.org
>>72135580
>Trump supporters are selling anything
>They don't so it for free.
You truly are a newfag
>>72134889
Except work force participation is down. Which means full-time jobs were replaced with part-time/casual jobs.
Moron
>>72135727
>please ignore that the US economy is doing well under President Obama because we right wingers are supposed to hate America.
>>72135868
Truly he is too stupid to realize these policies have hurt poor people.
The ACTUAL people I'm sure he wants to help.
It sad and confusing, but most leafs are.
>>72135712
>How come there are 93 million workers not even in the workforce?
Are you suggesting old people aren't allowed to retire?
High school kids aren't allowed to high school?
Stay at home moms like Melania Trump aren't allowed to take care of their kids?
Disabled people aren't allowed to be disabled?
>You won't answer because you're a shill and somebody else made that graphic for you.
>You probably don't even understand it...
Right back at ya.
>>72135891
>the US is doing well
By which measure?
>>7213589
Both the right and left do
>>72135891
usdebtclock.org
Worse than ever, commie.
>>72135868
>Except work force participation is down.
Because baby boomers are retiring.
People have known this was going to happen for decades.
Right wing retards still haven't figured it out.
News flash retard: When baby boomers retire, THEY LEAVE THE LABOR FORCE
“Each day,10,000 baby boomers retire and begin receiving Medicare and Social Security benefits.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/07/24/do-10000-baby-boomers-retire-every-day/
Seriously why are you people so retarded?
>>72136132
Why are you back here? Did you forget the other day when you got blown the fuck out?
>>72136036
Job creation, USD index, GDP per capita growth, U3 to U6 unemployment rates, corporate profits, stock markets, etc etc.
All the standard indicators.
You didn't know the US economy is doing well?
Man you right wingers really have been trained well to hate your country.
>>72135256
/thread
>>72136012
>answers one question half-assedly
>post weak meme as source
>caring about our leader enough to digitally blow him.
As somebody who actually LIVES in America, let me tell you poor folks are suffering under Obama's neo-liberalist economic policies.
I don't even care if you believe me.
Keep hurting niggers
>>72136308
>Trained to hate your country
I'm pretty sure that's liberals
>>72136132
>The participation rate is a measure of the active portion of an economy's labor force. The participation rate refers to the number of people who are either employed or are actively looking for work. The number of people who are no longer actively searching for work would not be included in the participation rate.
Tell me more retard.
>>72135511
>You didn't know that Bush invaded Iraq and destabilized the Middle East?
Who invaded Syria and Libya?
Who took us out of Iraq?
You do realize Saddam health was becoming poor
The men under him that wanted to succeed were complete maniacs
We goofed and underestimated the Kurds and sunnis lust for vengeance
>>72136132
>Because baby boomers are retiring.
FYI: They werent the last generation born in the US.
The amount of working-age people in the US who are unemployed (yet not counted by the WH numbers) negates your silly non-argument.
>>72136333
>Obama's neo-liberalist economic policies.
obama's tenure has basically been marked by obstructionist politics. there's a reason they are called a "do nothing congress". it's a bit tough to argue about obama's "evil socialist policies" when the only meaningful piece of legislature he managed to force through was a neutered version of the ACA that is basically being blocked by all the 3rd world red states.
how underage are you? serious question.
>>72136259
You keep saying that but it doesn't make it true. Every time I make one of these threads, I BTFO 100 right wing retards. Today will be no different.
You retards have the exact same arguments every time.
MUH 93 million
MUH real unemployment is 42%
All the same bullshit.
You get BTFO every time.
All you guys do is come into this thread and bash the United States because you've been conditioned to hate your own country. That's what it means to be a right winger today.
>>72136308
>93 million not working
>>72136012
>Are you suggesting old people aren't allowed to retire?
>High school kids aren't allowed to high school?
Are you suggesting that there are no more working-age people living in the US? Just boomers and kids?
>>72135868
>money printing
Obongo is giving you money! Moar money for Murica. Hurray Obongo!
>>72134889
So, count how many people were born in those years, how many matured, how many started a business, and how many got hired. The numbers seem natural, and happened even if Bombama liked it or not. Plus, the graph doesn't show how many people -lost- their jobs.
>>72136555
>I BFTO them
lol w0t
You fuck off every thread when you get disproven
>>72135256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngpKvS7S1GY
Contrary to common belief, "Trickle-Down Economics" doesn't actually exist. Outside of political punditry - where the non-existent theory continues to be referenced - it's not actually found in academia. Specifically, it's not a belief, theory, or a school of thought taught anywhere inside the economics discipline, and never was.
>>72135256
And it did.
>>72136555
>MUH 93 million
>MUH real unemployment is 42%
Go ahead and put your spin on these inconvenient facts for us.
>>72136555
But the 93 mil and 42% is true
You are just a brain dead shill with a shekle account for these insane threads
>>72136333
I love it when right wingers who are against raising the minimum wage, complain that the minimum wage doesn't pay enough.
Your level of mental retardation is truly breathtaking.
>>72136731
>>72136535
So you admit he wasn't responsible for creating 14 million jobs then?
Look this horse has been beaten to death, by greater minds then ours.
I'm not gonna change your mind, nor you mine.
I am fine with disagreeing with you Champ.
Have a great day!
>>72134889
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/filename/THXOBAMA14.4millionjobs/
Fucking leaf
>b-but...the debt...
as if bush didn't leave trillions
as if republicans EVER care about debt when they're in office
Gov't grows and spending increases under 'pubs...fact
>>72136731
Grade A shills are more subversive in their words, unlike you.
A true shill has no need for insults, as they can master their opponents without,
You're a little puppet.
>>72136446
Yeah guess what. My 80 year old grandma is no longer actively looking for work. She's out of the labor force for a reason retard. She's retired. NOT UNEMPLOYED.
God you people are so dumb.
You actually think 80 year old grandmas are unemployed.
Donald Trump says the unemployment rate may be 42 percent
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/30/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-unemployment-rate-may-be-42-perc/
Trump is literally mentally unfit for office.
>>72136691
>it did
>wealth disparity has grown since globalism took root under Reagan and continues to get worse and worse
>>72136731
took you that long to stuff that strawman?
woah weird I still can't find even a part time job literally anywhere despite having full availability and experience in retail, sales, and customer service roles
>>72136501
>Who invaded Syria and Libya?
Nobody.
I don't think you know what an invasion is.
Are you seriously comparing a few drone strikes in Syria and Libya to Bush's invasion of Iraq?
How stupid could you be?
>>72136863
So lets instead put in a 70 year old communist who has no grasp on basic economics
>>72136825
>bush ended with 7 - 9 trill in debt
>counting past presidents
>we have 19 trill now with obama
>hes still in office
>>72136863
She would not be included you retard. Retirees are excluded you fucking moron
>>72136531
Oh really?
Then why is the U4 rate 5.3%?
READ THE TOP OF THE CHART RETARD.
>>72136685
No, but what people commonly refer to as "trickle-down economics" is actually neoliberal and globalist policies, which have been successful in that the men who formulated these policies were successfully able to loot the economy and continue to do so at the expense of the poor and middle classes
>>72135511
>tfw you realize democrats are the ones who have been responsible for almost every war.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruise_missile_strikes_on_Afghanistan_and_Sudan_(August_1998)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Iraq_(1998)
>>72136603
You want my 80 year old grandma back to work in the mines?
Yikes I hope Trump runs on that.
>>72136012
>>72136979
started his term with 4 trillion and a leftover war to pay for
Again, you'll treat it like the imaginary money it really is when your guy is in there.
we own that money to who? china?
we are never, ever paying this magic money back, understand?
its not a tab to be paid.
>>72136618
I'm suggesting the labor force participation rate includes EVERYONE 16 years+. A fact that right wing retards are too stupid to understand.
Did you actually think that 80 year old are working age? Omg you people are literally brain dead.
>Are you suggesting that there are no more working-age people living in the US?
The vast majority of working age people are working.
>>72136731
With the money wasted on food stamps, welfare, etc you can guarantee state jobs with decent salaries in infrastructure building and maintenance or social services for anyone who is willing to work. That's how the state must redistribute the wealth (via work) and not for free.
Presidents dont create jobs fags. Not even the repulican ones.
>>72137062
Its still not economics so stop calling it that. Idiot.
>>72137043
>depending on government transparency
>literally using US Government propaganda
>Obama Internet Defense Force
>spamming government charts on 4chan
WHO is paying this man?
>>72134889
Great men don't give literal tons of free guns to bloodthirsty cartels that get US patrolmen killed.
>>72136647
Is that why I had over 75 replies in the last one?
It's all the same talking points every time from you idiots.
MUH 93 million.
You idiots think that 80 year old grandmas, 16 year old high school kids, stay at home moms and the disabled should be in the labor force.
You should be a lot more embarrassed about how you idiots spout the exact same debunked talking points every time.
It shows how easily programmed you right wing retards are. You're just talking point parrots.
Obama did not create a single job. The free market did.
And the recovery would have been much better if it weren't for his tax increases and barriers to job creation like Obabooncare.
>>72137099
Looks like you still haven't ingested the true redpill; the democrats and republicans are just two sides of the same globalist coin.
>>72136787
that's irrelevant; my point is that you can't say "he wasnt responsible for job creation" while simultaneously saying "evil socialist policies" while also simultaneously ignoring the fact that hardly any legislation was passed during his time as president.
in other words, i cant even say your moving the goalposts, you're just talking gibberish like a child. but what else can you expect from some 15 year old who has probably never held a job in his life (only making it all the more ironic that he is complaining about job creation)
thanks for the laugh faggot
>>72136685
you're correct.
neoliberalism is the same fucking thing, though.
>>72137258
It's an economic policy faggot, stop whining about semantics
>>72136535
Guzzle the kool-aid of the "do nothing congress." What an asshole.
Wow how clever did you come up with that clever witty term? It wouldn't be a "do nothing congress" if Obama wasn't a fucking "socialist."
At that point, it isn't congress "doing nothing," it's congress trying to "save the fucking country."
Do you understand or do you need to see it on CNN first?
>>72137403
>You're just talking point parrots.
>>72136727
>>72136713
Yeah it's true if you think 80 year old grandmas are unemployed.
If the unemployment rate is 42% now (which it isn't), then what was it when Obama took office?
You retards never answer that. Must have been like 84% back then according to right wing retard land.
>>72134889
>Truly a great man!
>obama taking credit for bernanke pumping trillions into the economy
>when the inflation hits during hillarys term democrats will still find a way to blame rethugliKKKans
>>72137261
>>>literally using US Government propaganda
do you have any information or links on the data from the BLS being fabricated or somehow "propaganda" ?
i would like to see your sources on this. you didn't just make this up, did you?
>>72137498
Such language.
Who peed in your organic tea today?
I'm 41 and retired, but nice try.
I just don't like Obama.
You've only stiffened my resolve to vote for Trump.
Mission accomplished?
>>72137590
>Spam the same chart conducted by Shlomo
>>72137498
>your moving the goalposts
>>72137665
No I don't.
I just believe whatever the government puts in a powerpoint.
Just like you.
>>72137023
Retirees aren't excluded. I just told you the CLFPR includes everyone 16+.
See this is what I mean. Will you admit you're a retard who was easily duped by right wing lies.
>>72137590
>>
>Yeah it's true if you think 80 year old grandmas are unemployed.
well actually, men and women over the retirement age aren't considered part of the labor force.
>>72136691
You have to be trolling, no one is stupid enough to think trickle down actually worked.
>>72137403
I was working full time at 16 while going to high school. Why can't anyone else? Poor people need money, they should work. I did.
>>72137667
>I'm 41 and retired
Lol get a job you bum
>>72137818
https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/
there are a lot of powerpoints here. can you tell me which ones are incorrect, with data to back up your claims?
>>72137667
why would i care who you vote for?
"retired" is a pretty hilarious term for "unemployable" by the way, but hey, whatever helps you sleep at night bud.
>>72137261
>>72137665
>>72137818
See that's the thing. The BLS has been putting out labor data since the 1800's.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Labor_Statistics
It was never controversial until a black man became president and right wingers completely lost their minds.
It's a lot easier being a retard and just making up numbers and claiming without any evidence, I don't believe the numbers, the REAL number is 42% because my ass told me so.
>>72137669
Different chart actually. I guarantee you're so retarded you can't even reply and type out what it says at the top of the U4 chart.
>>72137828
this nigga just happen to sitting there with a folder of labor statistics?
Yeah, all my friends that aren't shills have folders just like that.
>>72137888
Checkmate.
Who needs facts when you can be a right wing retard?
>>72137667
>41 and retired
>votes for trump
What exactly did you do to deserve retirement so early in life?
>>72137985
>It was never controversial until a black man became president and right wingers completely lost their minds.
trumptards B T F O
>>72134889
Still waiting for a response.
>>72137301
>>72138050
I just took a screenshot now. Here's the link.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
Are you admitting that you're incapable of doing basic research on the internet?
So you also admit that you're such a retard that you didn't know the CLFPR includes everyone 16+?
>>72137985
If it helps any, I'm sure Bush fudged the numbers too.
42% is ridiculous.
But the point remains,
>Presidents don't create job with a job wand.
You can get bogged down with all these other goalposts, but if a president could magically create jobs, then they all would have.
>>72137667
>I'm 41 and retired, but nice try.
WHY AREN'T YOU IN THE LABOR FORCE? NOBODY IS ALLOWED TO LEAVE THE LABOR FORCE.
- Trumptards
>>72138219
Calm down on the Ad Hominems Leaf
>>72137832
It worked for the top 0.1% which is who /pol/ shills for.
>>72138156
bay area real estate
>>72136899
So advancements in technology happen in a vacuum? No one else benefits from them besides their creators and they never get released to the public?
>muh wealth disparity
Not an argument
>>72138219
/pol/ is full of retards, hence all the pro-Russian shilling and Trump shilling that goes on here.
>>72137839
Many 16 year olds do. Not all of them. If they want a job but don't have one then they are in the labor force. Not all 16 year olds want to work. Not all of them should have to work. They're kids, they should be in school, playing sports, having fun. It's not rocket science.
Trump is so mentally handicapped, he thinks 80 year old grandmas are unemployed.
Not to mention Melania Trump, as a stay at home mom, is part of the problem as well.
>>72137829
I don't think you understand what 16+ means.
Why are right wingers so retarded? You yell and scream about MUH LABOR FORCE but then you don't even know what it means.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000
>>72138419
Hahaha you're a fucking piece of shit literally lower than niggers who do nothing but receive a check all day long. You are a fucking leech on this country
>>72138525
Man you really won a lot of hearts and minds today.
I hope you enjoy all the (You)'s that are making people hate Canada and Liberals even more!
>>72134889 (OP)
Nothing?
>>72137301 (You)
>>72138297
For once I'd like Trumptards to tell me that if the REAL unemployment rate is 42% right now then what was it when Obama took office? According to their retard logic, it must have been like 84%.
>>72135580
NEWFAG ALERT
PROXY ALERT
CANADA SOMEHOW HAS SOMETHING TO SAY ABOUT AMERICAN POLITICS
>im a obomofag now thanks canada
>>72138341
I'm calm. I love BTFO and making fun of right wing retards.
>>72138603
This is why you are poor.
This is why your mom pays rent to a man like me.
This is why I vote Trump.
This is why you vote Bernie.
>>72138639
Meh. /pol/ is just jealous of Trudeau because he gets all the girls. Trudeau reminds /pol/ of the Chad that picked on them in high school.
>>72136012
Your graphic is very poorly made... for a shill
>>72138642
What in the world does that comment have to do with the chart of job creation?
>>72135256
Pretty much everybody's weath has trickled down under the current Administration.
Thanks indeed Obama. Incompetent nigger.
>>72138680
I don't care.
I am here to dispute the fact that the President can't create 14 million jobs.
Not even Trump.
So stop being so abrasive.
>>72138845
It's directly from the BLS. It shows the reasons for why people aren't in the labor force. I don't make my own charts. I get them from official sources, not rwnj websites that claim that 93 million Americans, including my 80 year old grandma, are unemployed.
>>72138440
I have no idea what you're going on about technological advancements being related to the literal looting of your economy by the rich
>wealth disparity is not an argument
How the fuck is it not an argument? Even a retard knows that money is power, and giving a LARGER share of the wealth to multibillionaires means that those multibillionaires will have EVEN MORE power to influence elections and buy politicians.
Kill yourself, jew apologist.
>>72137852
>>72138156
41 and retired.
He's part of the problem.
HE'S NOT IN MUH LABOR FORCE!!!
>>72138812
Well he is a Chad which is why he should be running the country
>>72138812
I didn't see Chad quote wikipedia on quantum computing, neither going to a pride parade to suck the aids off a Somali dick
>>72138812
>>72138963
"The participation rate is a measure of the active portion of an economy's labor force. The participation rate refers to the number of people who are either employed or are actively looking for work. The number of people who are no longer actively searching for work would not be included in the participation rate."
Remind me again, oh superior leaf?
>>72135173
Obama,Hiliary, cia and mccain helped make isis
>>72138793
Yes I'm the poor one who can afford to go to school for 2 engineering degrees. You haven't contributed anything meaningful other than facilitating what a computer is going to be able to do cheaper and more efficiently. My mom doesn't have to pay rent to anyone either because she is rich as fuck and isn't retired because she understands that you have to put more into society than what you take out. You found an easy way to take more than what you put in and we all have to pay for it, YOU and people like you are the problem in this country. I hope that 40,000 a year in retirement is decent, that is our vacation budget.
This place is like 99% shilling these days
>>72139074
>>72139126
haha i agree, but that image is fucking stupid
>>72139170
Anything that anyone disagrees with here is "shilling" now. The time for unpopular differing opinions is over, this place is a right wing hug box now where every has this weird white identity bullshit going for them.
>>72136647
>Canadian "intelligence"
>>72139170
its election year. Watch out for leafs and kraut flags to make the most obvious shill.
>>72134889
Do you ever get tired of slurping up Obumfuck's cock you fucking leaf?
>>72138858
It's addressing your odd praise of Obama, dubbing him a 'Great Man' who armed Mexican mass murderers for... nothing at all, really.
>>72139126
Isis is a creation of Islam the government just gives them a nudge every now and then in a certain direction
>>72139049
Yeah but my money is in the economy.
I own clean properties that house working families.
I pay 10's of thousands in taxes.
I volunteer at my kids school.
I recently gave a homeless family 5 months of free housing.
I am local elected politician.
I have my own wife and children.
I'm pretty sure I am doing a lot more for the economy then whatever it is you call yourself doing here.
>>72139210
HAHA you are bad at this kid. You get BTFO constantly, and like clockwork you revert to this childish bs.
>dont give up
>>72139112
He has a point leaf
>>72139112
>The number of people who are no longer actively searching for work would not be included in the participation rate."
Jesus Christ are you this stupid? Yes exactly. The people who are not actively looking for work are not part of the 63% LFPR. Holy shit. They would be part of the other 37%.
Are you for real?
This is what boggles my mind about right wing retards.
You morons yell and scream and parrot MUH LABOR FORCE rate but then you don't even know what it is.
>>72139155
So much anger among today's youth.
You'd think I took away his tendies.
>>72139435
Yes you're doing plenty for the economy being apart of a leech sector. You're the reason we have to underpay teachers, nurses, soldiers, and people whose professions actually have an impact on society.
>>72139459
why don't you actually check what I replied to you moron. You're making an ass out of yourself.
Your people don't even know that the CLPR includes everyone 16+. They actually think that 93 million Americans are unemployed. Do you know how retarded you'd have to be to think that?
>>72139563
>we
You are a student and haven't even paid taxes yet.
Right?
>>72139620
There the leaf goes again
>>72139476
Actually he doesn't realize it. But he's making my point for me. Yes, people not actively looking for work (LIKE 80 year old grandmas) are part of the 37% NOT in the labor force.
>>72139510
I already posted the chart showing the reasons why people aren't in the labor force.
>>72136012
>>72139773
Oh I get it. You're in kindergarten. This is what kids in kindergarten do when they lose the argument.
>>72139620
Just one question, please.
I've been civil to you.
Why do you care about this so much?
I mean do you really just LOVE Obama, or really just HATE Republicans?
>>72134889
Still nothing?
>>72139389
>>72139018
It's not an argument. You do know while you're going off about this ever increasing wealth disparity that taxes on the rich are increasing and taxes paid by the poor are decreasing, right? How exactly is that trickle down, it sounds like the opposite of trickle down.
>>72139747
I do pay taxes because I'm working my way through school. I'm not going to take money from my parents when I have the means to acquire it myself, you're probably going to turn your kids into little spoiled ass snobs though incapable of providing for themselves.
>>72137828
Are they employed or looking for work? No. So no, not every one is included you shit stain.
>>72134889
every fucking day you post the same shit
get a fucking job
>>72134889
This guy AGAIN. Do you really get bored that you insist on making this thread a couple of times a week?
SAGE
>>72139900
>I mean do you really just LOVE Obama, or really just HATE Republicans?
Fair question. I'll be honest. Thanks for asking nicely.
Honestly it's a little bit of both. No I'm not a paid shill but if there is a way to get paid, I'd love to know.
I honestly just love making fun of right wing retards and I can't believe these idiots actually think that there are 93 million Americans unemployed.
It actually goes to show how low information right wingers are. Rwnj websites know that their followers are idiots so they take advantage of their stupidity by spreading false and easily debunked information.
>>72140056
>I have the means to acquire it myself
You mean debt?
>>72140409
Same for the left
>>72140107
You really don't know what the CLFPR is do you?
You're just throwing shit at the wall, hoping something will stick.
Everyone employed and looking for work is included in the 63% CLPR.
What point are you even trying to make?
There are only about 500,000 discouraged workers. Not 96 million. These stats come out every month.
That's why like I said, the U4 rate is 5.3%.
>>72137043
The U3 (official rate) is 5%.
>>72140532
The left tends to be far more educated.
Trump said he loves the uneducated.
The left isn't going around claiming 93 million Americans are unemployed.
The left isn't claiming that global climate change is a hoax by the Chinese.
There is a profound difference.
When you look at the Bernie Sanders campaign for example. He has real solutions to real problems.
Trump just wants to fearmonger about ISIS, cut taxes for the rich and add over $20 TRILLION to the national debt.
Trump’s Tax Cuts Would Add $24.5 Trillion to the Debt
http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2015/12/23/Trump-s-Tax-Cuts-Would-Add-245-Trillion-Debt
>>72140409
I'm sure it's fun to yuck it up at the expense of /pol/, I won't fault you that.
You seem pretty articulate, and obviously web-savvy, why don't you get involved in politics on a local level where your rather significant efforts can have lasting results and not just a 404 at the end of the day?
I used to argue about politics a lot more.
I deleted my facebook and ran for local office and won.
I am now literally voting on how our tax dollars are pent in my county.
Arguing in places like pol, reddit, facebook,comment sections is just an energy suck.
I also think you fail to realize that even if Obama had created 80 million jobs, you're not going to change their mind.
Good luck leafy.
>>72140053
ahahahaha he literally believes the
>muh poor, wronged billionaires meme
>>72141086
Not an argument. Don't put words in my mouth.
>>72141618
>>72137438
The free market thrives under Democrats, crashes under Republicans.
>>72140285
I'll stop making this thread when right wing retards stop believing my 80 year old grandma is unemployed. When do you think that will happen?
>>72140409
But how can you love a man who supplies guns to psychotic smugglers and killers that they use to kill our men?
>>72142787
You talking about the NRA?
>>72142852
What?
>>72142852
I've told you what I'm talking about throughout this entire thread. Fast and Furious. Why are you so hesitant to address it?
>>72141618
>You do know while you're going off about this ever increasing wealth disparity that taxes on the rich are increasing and taxes paid by the poor are decreasing, right? How exactly is that trickle down, it sounds like the opposite of trickle down
I'm not putting any words in your mouth you fucking retard, and just because you are unable to understand the point behind the infographic I posted, doesn't mean it's not an argument that the wealth disparity is increasing.
Lord, rid me of these troublesome jew apologists
>>72143174
Wtf does that have to do with a chart of job creation and the economy?
Bush started Fast and Furious. Obama ended it.
Take your right wing talking points elsewhere. They don't work on me.
>>72143255
What's operation fast and furious
>>72134889
He's black so I don't see it.
>>72143255
Fast and furious was nothing like Bush's gun tracking program.
To compare the two is fallacious in the extreme.
>>72143255
This nigger has 50 posts in this thread, fucking kys and go outside
>>72143255
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/sep/24/barack-obama/barack-obama-said-fast-and-furious-began-under-bus/
Federal investigation says fast and furious started under Obama. Two seconds on google
>>72143380
It's an operation that started under Bush in 2006 and ended under Obama when he time to get to it after averting another Republican Great Depression.
Now you explain what in the world does Fast and Furious have to do with the chart of monthly job creation above.
>>72143616
>>72143554
>right wingers bringing up fast and furious in a thread about Obama job creation and the economy.
WTF?!
>>72143580
I have to BTFO right wingers 50 times because the moment I don't reply to one post they claim they B me TFO which is ridiculous.
These morons think 93 million Americans are unemployed.
>>72137234
If any of what you were saying was true, the labor force participation rate should be going UP, not down. The united states doesn't have a contracting population, it has a growing one. And unless all of our immigrants are elderly or children, that growth should be reflected in the graph you JUST shared.
Instead, it shows a decline of about 4% in the labor participation rate.
Estimated population in 2016: 322,762,018
Population in 2006: 298.4 million
Using your graph, you get something like 197.5 million people working in 2006.
Then about 202.6 million working in 2016.
So in the span of 10 years, our population grew roughly 24 million. But the number of workers increased by 5 million?
This does not even begin to touch on the fact that the majority of jobs lost were high paying ones, and their replacements were primarily garbage tier service jobs that would normally go to teenagers.
>>72143616
>>72143554
>>72143380
>right wingers bringing up fast and furious in a thread about Obama job creation and the economy.
Most of the jobs added under Obama are unstable part-time jobs. The United States' economy is unstable, it cannot produce what it consumes.
>>72144267
So... you don't know that the baby boomers is a demographic bulge?
I literally learned this shit 20 years ago in social studies class. How have right wingers STILL not figured it out.
>Most importantly, it's the retirement of baby boomers, or people born after the mid-1940s, who are aging and entering their retirement years, and young people studying for longer, according to Deutsche Bank chief US economist Joseph LaVorgna.
http://www.businessinsider.com/labor-force-participation-rate-march-2016-4
You do know job openings are at all time highs right?
>>72134889
But how many jobs did he destroy?
>>72134889
>the government has power over the markets
Delusional.
>>72144023
>>72144288
>make one post in entire thread correcting false statement
>Leaf throws a fit rather than admitting he was wrong
>>72144023
You've brought up disparate and unrelated topics as well, often with the intent to disparage republicans.
Fast and Furious was distinct operation from anything that Bush did. Bush had a similar policy called Operation Wide Receiver, but it involved significantly fewer innocent people being shot.
>>72144288
http://www.politifact.com/florida/statements/2012/sep/24/barack-obama/barack-obama-said-fast-and-furious-began-under-bus/
http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/sep/30/jane-harman/jane-harman-incorrectly-claims-fast-and-furious-gu/
>>72144593
>14.4 million net job creation
>73 straight months of job creation. The longest streak in American history.
>>72144797
How was I throwing a fit? I'm mocking you guys. I remember when all the right wing conspiratards were ranting and raving about MUH fast and furious. Then your programmers gave you Benghazi to drone on about.
>>72144831
>>72144944
I love how now all the sudden Politifact is okay to use.
When I use it, all the right wing retards go,
>HAHA politifact!
Don't worry I won't be a right wing retard.
>"Gunwalking", or "letting guns walk", was a tactic of the Arizona Field Office of the United States Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which ran a series of sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011[2][5] in the Tucson and Phoenix area where the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders and arrest them.
> These operations were done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATF_gunwalking_scandal
Like I said from the start. Bush started it, Obama ended it.
>>72135189
>Policies take time to roost.
It's about time people acknowledged that Reagan only took credit for Carter's work.
>>72144023
>Onigger creates 14 gorillion jobs! what a great man!
>well, what about this other shit he tried to-
>RIGHT WINGERS GTFO REEEEEE!
One skewed statistic does not make a great man. What's wrong, you can't bring up any other valuable facets of your nigger hero?
Under Bush, the guns were interdicted as soon as they were crossed. They were not allowed to travel into Mexico.
Obama, under an ATF Gunwalking operation called "Fast and Furious," allowed guns to go across the border into Mexico without tracking them in any way shape or form. He just... well, he basically gave Mexican drug cartels assault rifles from America. Also, whereas in Wide Receiver the Mexican government was notified - during F&F nobody told the Mexicans that gunwalking was happening.
One of the weapons, handed over to Mexican drug cartels by Eric Holder/Obama in Operation Fast and Furious, was used to murder a United States Border Patrol Agent. His name was Brian Terry.
The weapons have been used in hundreds of murders in Mexico since 2009.
Nothing ever happened, nobody was ever put in jail, no wrongdoing was ever admitted on the part of the ATF.
>>72144518
Shit wage jobs are which is fine but specialized are not.
>>72134889
Now I can have 3 part-time jobs. Thanks Obama.
>>72145587
>One skewed statistic does not make a great man
Posts skewed statistics.
Student loans since 1940's in unadjusted dollars?! THANKS OBAMA!
>>72145766
Nobody ever had a part time job before Obama!
>>72145768
I guess the ~600,000 million it's increased since he took office doesn't matter because 50 years of little to no change was included... my bad.
Give me 9 TRILLION dollars to spend like Obama did and I can create quite a few part time Burger King jobs too
>>72145716
There are tons of specialized job openings right now.
The problem is most Trumptards don't have any skills.
>>72137261
>>72137665
Fuck knows. This would be a good place to start looking though:
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/
>>72146047
Obama's the slowest spender since Eisenhower actually. Everybody knows that. He reduced the budget deficit by 2/3.
Barack Obama claims deficit has decreased by two-thirds since taking office
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jan/20/barack-obama/barack-obama-claims-deficit-has-decreased-two-thir/
>>72134889
>NYC recession generation may never catch up in workplace - report
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/nyc-recession-generation-may-never-catch-workplace-report-164853831.html
Thanks Obama
>>72145977
>complains about skewed stats
>posts unadjusted dollars since 1940's.
Considering your concern for the costs of higher education, I take it you're a Bernie Sanders supporter then?
>>72146234
> Young people who joined the New York City workforce during and after the 2007-2009
Thinks Obama was president in 2007.
Wew lad.
>>72145321
See: >>72145621
There was a program run by ATF’s Phoenix Field Division called Operation Wide Receiver that started during the Bush administration, but Operation Fast and Furious was a specific effort launched after Obama took office in 2009.
>>72146070
You didn't show the rest of the ad where being bilingual is required along with a Master's degree and 15 years experience
>>72134889
>Obama
>not the oil industry who has been the majority job make contributing 80% of all jobs created in America since 2007
Kek
>>72146226
deficit vs DEBT
>Please go back to school.....you have no idea what the fuck is going on Canuslim
>>72146643
who are you quoting?
>>72146643
Yeah Barack Obama reduced the budget deficit by over 2/3 yet the national debt still went up a lot. Did you ever stop to think that maybe that has a lot to do with the Republican president who left Obama a $1.4 TRILLION budget deficit and a tire fire for an economy?
>>72145587
You do realize that these statistics shit on Republicans more than they do Dems, right?
I mean fuck, food stamps started spiking thanks to Bush. Federal debt spiked in 2006 after the government put the Iraq War in the checkbook (the Bush Administration was fighting to keep it counting as non-discretional spending). Money printing, again, spiked because they didn't disclose Iraq War money-printing during the early aughts.
Top kek on that labor force statistic. Can't blame Obama for robots (except the kill drones, he commands those). And worker's share of the economy has been dropping since the 60s and 70s, when Nixon finally got America to stop listening to the Anarchists that got them Social Security.
>>72146486
You're surprised that high skill jobs require high skill?
That's the problem with Trumptards. They don't have any skills, Then they complain that minimum wage jobs don't pay enough but are against raising the minimum wage.
So then Trumptards just end up being NEETs in their mothers basements complaining about OBONGO and the economy.
>>72146950
You're trying to explain logic, facts and reason to right wing retards. I don't think most of these idiots are even old enough to remember how bad the economy was when Obama took office.
>>72146833
Kek
his symbiote.
>>72147045
Jesus christ I think I just explained the entire Trumptard phenomenon.
>>72147045
>>72147336
Not really, seems like you just made up a bunch of unverifiable things about them
>>72134889
>obama is responsible for every job ever made
>>72134889
>the president creates jobs
>>72147045
Is that supposed to be a "high skill" job?
lol.....talking bad about Trumtards while the Dems are sucking up food stamps faster than your country is letting in terrorists
>It's called an Obamaphone for a reason
>>72147336
A FUCKING LEAF
>>72146950
That wasn't my point and I never said anything about supporting Bush, he's no better than Obongo. In the eight years he's been in office, has he improved anything that Bush fucked up? All he has to show for his time are a few shitty minimum wage jobs.
defending candidates that allow unlimited immigration
>>72147962
>Dems are sucking up food stamps faster than your country is letting in terrorists
You do realize that most food stamps go to red states, right?
Turns out that rednecks who bitch about niggers are worse than city-niggers at putting food on the table.
>>72148213
>he's no better than Obongo
At least we both agree to some extent on that.
>In the eight years he's been in office, has he improved anything that Bush fucked up?
Dodd-Frank is slightly better than the total lack of regulation the banks had during the Bush Administration.
The ACA is slightly better than the total lack of health coverage that sick kids had during the Bush Administration.
We actually killed Osama, and that was nice.
Otherwise, no.
>>72148280
rednecks living in "red" states?....
there are still more white people than black last I heard, so what are the percentages of food stamp use, Bernie?
>>72134889
>job creation coming immediately out of recession was slower than years later
>fewer than .25 million jobs created every month when it should've been .6+ million if policies actually did anything
>half of all new created jobs are part time or low-income
>added trillions to national debt
>market currently poised for another collapse
Obama: the greatest economic leader since Bush 2
>>72148594
Where exactly do these figures come from, per se?
I find these illegal immigrant statistics to be as full of facts as the RIAA's piracy statistics. A bunch of bullshit numbers made up about people they don't have information on, because they are undocumented by definition.
>>72148594
>alaska spanding 139 million on illigals
what beaner crosses an entire continents and two borders to pick strawberries
>>72146306
I think Bernie is a guy with good intentions and nothing else. He is very out of touch with reality if he truly thinks any of his policies would work here. That being said, he would be a much more fitting nominee than the shilling criminal he's running against.
Thank you Obama for allowing China to take control of the South China Sea. Giving them control of a trade route that sees $5.3 trillion every year
>>72149083
>what are federal taxes?
>>72148903
Look in the bottom right of the image, retard. Try turning your monitor on first.
>>72147918
The private sector thrives under Democratic presidents and crashes under Republican ones.
>>72149162
>He is very out of touch with reality if he truly thinks any of his policies would work here.
They can work, he'll just have to figure out how to implement them. People said that Social Security was a terrible idea back in the 40s, because it encouraged people to be lazy and was a form of socialism. And yet we now have it, and even Republicans don't want to see it go away.
Turns out that socialism is pretty lovable when it doesn't have some motherfucker like Stalin or Pol Pot pushing it.
>>72149304
>Look in the bottom right of the image, retard.
>Estimated fiscal cost of illegal immigration
So it's shit pulled out of someone's ass, got it.
What does it prove? That you can write big numbers?
>>72137524
It was just explained to you that "trickle down economics" is political punditry and not an actual set of economic policies that were enacted. Stop being stubborn and you might actually learn something.
>>72144023
I've seen you claim Eisenhower spent most of his presidency in a coma. Don't accuse others of changing the topic
>>72139126
Dude looks like pudgy Jamal in 2nd pic.
>>72134889
>Democrats crash the economy
>Democrats do minimal damage control
>LOOK WE SAVES AMERICA
>>72149376
>The private sector thrives under Democratic presidents and crashes under Republican ones.
Lol I've noticed you always try to reduce decades of economic policy to a single sentence. Truly, you're above these uneducated trump tards!
>>72150067
>I've seen you claim Eisenhower spent most of his presidency in a coma.
Source?
>>72146893
Ahh, I see. This is quite a basic tactic, it's a shame your mind is so weak and predictable.
>good thing
>Obama did it
>bad thing
>it's a leftover from Bush
>>72150439
>>72150529
"Under Republicans, recessions happen four times as frequently as under Democrats."
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/22/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-recessions-more-frequent-under-rep/
The numbers back up Clinton’s claim since World War II: Of the 49 quarters in recession since 1947, eight occurred under Democrats, while 41 occurred under Republicans.
>>72146394
>thinks the build up to the recession started in 2000
Senator Obama was around that time.
President Obama should have helped everyone
>>72150818
The 2009 recession was a direct result of failed democrat policies, as is the massive student loan debt, as is prevalence of corporate tax inversions-- nearly everything that is hurting our economy now is a direct result of some democrat making poor decisions. Instead of looking at large chucnks of data that don't tell the whole story, let's focus instead on the actual causes of the recessions.
>>72150818
>Under Republicans, recessions happen four times as frequently as under Democrats.
Meaningless. How can you group Calvin Coolidge with Richard Nixon and Dwight Eisenhower? You hide behind party labels to shill an agenda.
>Of the 49 quarters in recession since 1947, e
Many of those were minor recessions, though. Several, for example, occurred under Eisenhower, yet he is lauded for having maintained prosperity.
Moreover, this says very little about individual candidates.
