I know Australia doesn't really need more tanks but if we did, what country would be buy them from next, besides the US?
Probably Germany, or Russia because fuck Europe
Hasn't the M1 Abrahms been superseded by a Polish/Russian prototype?
>>72087888
You can't even defeat the muslim invasion of your homeland much less go to war overseas.
>>72087888
Germany
>>72088212
Explain
>>72087888
We'd buy them lff Indonesia kek
>>72088227
>being this dumb
>>72088212
You mean the one that broke down in its own parade, still has the classic russian autoloader that will kill everyone in the tank, and awful ammo stowage?
If so yes, totally.
You'd probably get the most tanks for your Yuaneridoo by buying directly from your greatest investor
>>72087888
Israel
>>72088310
Just conjcture I read somewhere that a protoype had been built that was effectively invisible to the abrahms and other older tanks equipment making manual targeting the only possibilty
The only reason for Australia to have tanks is for a museum. Most irrelevant country in the world.
>>72087888
Serbia
>>72088227
Lot of gratitude we get for our lapdoggery.
Even the UK at least avoided Vietnam.
Australia literally has no foreign policy.
yes we do its called do whatever our current masser says
>>72088425
The PL-01? A light tank?
>>72088427
Says the serb, Hows your country going? done anything productive yet besides run away from your issues? I see more Serbian refugees over here than black cunts.
>>72087888
And will always be the US the Abrams tanks have all surpassed the leopard tank.
>>72088281
This man. Im a cavalryman man in the army.
>>72088227
We stopped the boats. How's that land border of yours going for you?
>>72088569
Be grateful that you got glorified white Serbian people in the country to purify your nation and not some black cunts.
>>72088569
Our M1s are monkey models man. Our entire armoured cav arsenal is out dated desu. Looking like ASLAV and M113AS4 will be replaced by 2020 however. Tanks don't really serve much purpose here. Last time one was in theater was vietnam.
>>72088672
What be grateful a bunch of cowards that run away from fighting instead of defending their country like the mudslimes from Syria?
yeah ok Muhammad, you cunts are as bad as the turks bunch of cockroaches and parasites
>>72088557
Honestly don't know was hoping someone else knew more about this stuff. I only brought it up because a little while ago the dickhead liberals blew $11bn on second hand refurbished ones from the US when we could have bought new ones from Germany and prototype was mentioned.
I remeber it being something to do with how our light cavalry operates in theatres of war and a light fast tank would be better suited to defend us from a northern invader than a heavy slow one, and complimenting our light cavalry regiments.
>>72088799
In fairness we got some top blokes out of the Kosovo war as well as the cunts, living in western Sydney I have found its mostly the Muslim "bosnians" and Albanians that are shit tier immigrants
>>72087888
Greece
>>72088716
As time goes on all tanks will become obsolete much like the leopards ( which we're great tanks the krauts did fine jobs on the L1 and 2) the Abrams just become better in every way.
Shit i wish i was lucky enough to get one of our leopards when the army got rid of 70 of the bastards for free.
>>72088816
you do realize that new modern weapon systems coming out take nearly two decades to be fully tested BEFORE manufacturing AND fielding, right?
do you have any godly Idea how expensive it is to make a weapons platform? whether it be tank or jet?
Australia is best left off fielding either the Abrams or the Leopard 2
>tanks
>australia
We need to invest more in our navy as opposed to armored forces.
>>72089196
Yeah but we've only got 59 MBTs
>>72089196
this
be like japan in ww2
>>72088816
Unfortunately it'll be trash, as it stands right now that prototype is quite literally a Swedish CV-90 with cardboard on top.
It's not going to be able to defeat heat signatures effectively enough to be considered on the battlefield, and current equipment might be better.
In the end it's just a silly marketing gimmick that'll crash and burn.
You're better off with Leopard 2A6s or M1A2s and/or purchasing the upgrade packages to come that are being made to counter the T-14.
>>72088799
We fought and expelled mudslimes that were on our territory for almost 500 years. Now we do not have mudslimes at all. Learn history, educate yourself and then tell us what we should do.
Yes we lost Kosovo to mudslimes, but that is only temporary and because USA and Great Britain support mudslimes in Albania(the country you have on your flag, fucking disgrace). Soon we will purify it again, with the help of the glorious Russia and Tsar Vladimir Putin.
>>72089414
>A modified CV-90
I knew it.
>>72089435
you forgot us me lad
>>72089100
Not exactly no, but I am acutely aware that we bought worse tanks than we could have that already existed and were sold to someone else that would have cost less.
Also if you know anything about Australian geography fast, light manoeuvrability will mean the difference between a quick war and decades of insurgency. Its has been noted since WW2 our greatest defence is the sheer distance and fucking horrible landscape you need to travel from the top end to any of the major cities.
M1 Abhrams would serve 0 tactical purpose in the NT or QLD during the wet season and we couldn't field enough to use them in reserve in the nicer parts of the south.
Australia is best set doing what it does now, preparing constantly to cede territory and then make life a living hell while holding the east coast waters and the south and hoping to god China isn't the one invading so we have a chance to survive.
>>72087888
>Old US Army tank fag here
challenger 2 OP. But, only because you said you didn't want the Abrama. But really, any NATO country tank would do. We all use the same Ammo and smooth bore main gun round.
The Abrams SEP v2 out class every tank in the world right now. The only thing Russian tanks are good for right now is Reactive Armour (which is VERY good, I have read reports about how after the cold war. The US Army got their hands on some RA and we found out our tank killer round "The sabot" would/could be stop by Russian RA) and they have three man crew because they use an auto loader which can load a round in 8 sec. Abrams can be loaded in 7 or faster.
>>72089653
Together, we will march to victory, my Greece orthodox brother.
>>72089435
>mad the movie
>staring typical Bolshevik
You lost when all your males were becoming to much of pussies to fight for their country and left. Only a subhuman race of people would leave their country instead of defending it even the Dune coons fought for their land in Iraq and Afghanistan why did your cockroach of a people run like little girls?
Buy them from us, as you did for your submarines.
>>72087888
Why would you need tanks if you have an ocean? Just pump all your cash into the navy if shit hits the fan
>>72089653
fuck you, you're a failure
Set Smyrna ablaze and didn't kill the kebabs
Turkey should give you genocide lessons
>>72089786
Says the country that even isn't a country. You do not have your own country, look at your flag. You are a colony. You are occupied. Your resources are used by Great Britain. Why don't you fight?
>>72089656
that essentially has always been the tactic for Australia.
Truth be told if you honestly want to bolster Aussie defenses you need to focus on your Navy and Air Force while building ties to the countries around you and bolster their defenses considering any country would therefore need to break them before they engaged the Australian homeland
>>72089838
Because Indonesia. There armed forces are so large we could not maintain a Navy large enough to stop them before they got more than enough ground forces onto our shoreline. Ergo it is two pronged defence Navy patrols/blockade to the south on each side of the country and slow Guerrilla war in the interior.
Indonesia luckily only have numbers and can not match our current tiny armed forces or it superior training/experience.
The only other scenario is China which if the US don't immediately step in we are fucked and India is too shit tier to get off their arses to do anything.
http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/inventions/the-next-war-can-australia-put-up-a-fight/news-story/7ab3f25bf5974ee8b36a7ebbad0cc2d0
>>72089958
Problem with that is other than New Zealand the rest are third world tourist traps with no means to maintain any significant air force or navy and Australia can not bank roll it ourselves
>>72090406
which is why australia has typically sided with stronger countries.
they remained with the British empire then sided with the Americans when the British could no longer guarantee safety. they have attempted similar deals with Japan when their economy was skyrocketing and recently with China.
Though I doubt the China deal will go far.
>>72090322
Also this
>The only other scenario is China which if the US don't immediately step in we are fucked
There is no indication that there will be a Sino-American war anytime soon. EVEN IF there would be one Australia would be forced to stay neutral (while favoring the stronger side, depending on the circumstances) until the end
realistically as it stands now. if that war were to happen the United States would have an overwhelming advantage due to its naval power right now. China is still building its naval strength
Also ask me what you want because Im drunk enough to say just about anything that won't land me in prison. I served in the Army as an Intel guy. If I don't respond quick, I'm probably outside smoking
>>72088212
I would hope you would go German or British. The leopard is probably the best export tank for the money, but the chally can take a hit better. The leclerc is too expensive for not a lot of benefit. It will be interesting to see if sep3 can deliver for the Abrams.
>>72087888
>what country would be buy them from next
Obviously Ger-Turkey.....!
>>72087888
Sweden, even their pacifism is cucked.
Buy from us. We give discount and free tech support.
>>72087888
America.
The Abrams is the worlds best tank, nothing comes close to it.
t. tanker
>>72091087
I'm not sure if that's a shit tank or not.
>>72091087
we bought the chinese mbt2000 version of these.....nice medium tank.....
>>72091358
buy from greece you fuck
we have a shit ton of them
>>72087888
We should have bought the Leopard 2's in the first place. Who the fuck puts jet engines in tanks? oh yeah, Murrica.
>>72091358
nah pakistan china joint developed 46 ton tank....nice for everyday operations on soft soil.....we bought 44 of those , more coming....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Khalid_tank
>>72091715
Yeah but it looks like a T-72
What about the Israeli Merkava 4?
>>72091944
Israel doesn't export their tanks
>>72091755
because it is.
the chinese have had a history of copying designs from other counties. it's only recently that they started copying western models
>>72092120
Time to steal some then.
>>72092152
>stealing
>from jews
>>72091944
lel, shooting stars and shekels no thanks I rather stick to a Japanese tank, American or Russian any day
>>72091755
nah it dosent...more over its way more powerful then t72 in armour/engine/firepower/water performance....etc
>>72091944
>>72092120
>>72092152
>>72092340
If you ask nicely , Hezbollah can provide you with a dozen of them....you can then reverse-copy them yourself....
>>72092340
Just like they stole your foreskin, clappy.
>>72092562
Hush now ullu,
>>72092134
Chinese copied the T55 model not T72.....
>>72092609
hello diaspora....!
>>72092739
That looks a lot like a T-72
>>72091944
ha nice joke , its a shitty tank tbqh
>>72088661
'Stopping the boats' is basicly a meme mate, it stops poor & undocumented migrants.
Chinks & curries with money still get in. They buy a plane ticket, meet the local corrupt politicans/migration officers and bribe their way through the immigration process.
Ya'll know the ruskies run tank biathlon competitions? Burgers havent taken upmthe challenge yet but theres still quite a few countries taking part
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kJodeW0oWps
>>72089196
we just bought a buttload of subs
>>72092879
>Filename...?
ofcource its T72...i was reffering to >>72092428 not looking like T72
>>72087888
Germany or South Korea.
US tanks are overpriced maintenance queens that only a superpower could support.
Russian tanks post soviet collapse are cobbled together prototypes that break a lot, can't be produced in mass numbers and support is liable to disappear without notice.
Britbongs don't build enough to export, Israel doesn't export, French only have reverse gear, China lol.
>>72087888
South Africa. Those guys make good apc. So why not tanks
>>72093254
Because its literally an upgrade to a tank made in 1945.
>>72093254
South Africa makes wheeled Tank-Hunters.....not tracked tanks...
>>72093231
>China lol
Chinese T99/MBT 3000 is in top10 tanks in the world....
>tanks
>not obsolete
Air and naval forces matter 10 times more this isn't 1943 anymore
>>72093598
That's what Canada thought for a little while. They learnt the hard way that you actually do need them.
>>72093667
in small numbers to support ground troops, yes
>>72093779
Yeah and also they're really good at frontal assaults and all that.
>>72093598
every arm of the militery has a role to play dude , the value of tanks in an active battlefield cant't be overstated....but yes without proper Air cover the tank battalion is exposed.....as the Israelis found to their shock in 2006....!
>>72087888
that stealth one from poland
>>72091480
>Subtly asking us to pay off your debt
Yeah nah.
>>72087888
LEOPARD 2
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>only because Britain won't let us have the Challenger 2
p-pls invest
>>72093977
olive why are you writing like that
>>72093578
>Citation needed
You should know from experience how quality Chinese stuff is. You bought 200 Type 69s and all it took to upgrade them into the somewhat more combat effective Bangladeshi model 69-IIGs was to simply swap out
- the gun
- the sensors
- the engine
- the armor
- the tracks
>>72093598
we'll see how much good NATO air power does when Red Army tanks are running down Raekoja plats
>>72094063
Challenger 2 and Abrams are God tier. Nothing else matters at the moment.
>>72094407
The Challenger 2 is outstanding, there's a report of one tanking about 60 RPGs after throwing a track and not giving a fuck.
Speed and mobility are important in Australia too though, hence Leopard 2. Hell, it would have been a direct upgrade to our Leopards!
![1442444935965[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/CJSt18C.jpg "1442444935965[1].jpg")
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>>72087888
Mate. You will always buy from America. "All the way with LBJ!" is how Australia defence policy works.
When you initially selected the Abrams for us, you wanted to stick the same powerpack as on the Leopard 2 in there to save on fuel and running costs. And despite how much money it would save, you decided to scrap the idea. All because "Synergy with USMC equipment."
Basically the idea being that if Australia gets invaded and you have totally cucked yourselves. You'll give your tanks to the USMC to use.
>>72094256
www.therichest.com/rich-list/the-biggest/top-10-most-sophisticated-main-battle-tanks/?view=all
yes we did vastly improve the T69 in a MLU but not before we got 18 yrs of good use out of the original chinese ones...!
>>72095025
WEW RARE
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>>72094407
>he fell for the turbine powered meme tank
M1 Abrams with 1000 liters of fuel can drive 220 kilometers
Leopard 2 with 1000 liters of fuel can drive 460 kilometers
These are the kinds of figures that matter in an actual war if you want to attack something 200 kilometers away
>>72087888
France, like your submarines right now, goat fucker
>>72087888
wtf do you need tank anyway? mutated emus?
>>72087888
The Leopard II is generally considered the best tank.
>>72088380
factually incorrect statements
>>72089100
The reason we didn't go for the Leo 2 is because it was cheaper for us in the long run in terms of maintenance costs.
>>72087888
Japan if their tanks are reliable as Toyota.
>>72094256
>europe
Where exactly are you posting from? Inside the European Parliament?
>>72087888
I wouldn't give a fuck what they are as long as they are fast, all terrain, not to heavy, easy to maintain & reasonable fire power that could be used in artillery barrage.
>>72087888
Tanks are slow and are sitting ducks to aircraft so get with the times pls senpai
Buy aircraft from Russia because their models have been far superior to both Euro and US fighters for decades now.
If you really want beat those emus, you should invest in Russia's new 5th gen Sukhoi PAK FA
There is no main aircraft that I know of that can beat it.
>>72096507
>There is no main aircraft that I know of that can beat it.
>>72095433
Japan can't export military hardware. Their constitution won't allow for it.
>>72096851
I thought they amended that.
>>72093231
EUROPE SUCKS
>>72096887
I think the amending pertained to deploying in military operations outside of Japanese territory. All because of that fat fuck Kim and his legions of starving Norks.
>>72095025
A FUCKING CREDITCARD
>>72096700
pfffffffffff haha you can't kill an aircraft with laughter though
>>72088427
Aussies need tanks to help kill towel tops in Durkastan.
Not enough Challenger II in this thread
>Chobham armor with ERA upgrades available
>Easily survives RPGs and MILAN missile attacks
>Can kill things at 3km+
>Runs on diesel
>Is slow as fuck but has long operational range
>>72087888
Russia
>>72097282
The T-90 would be my next choice on the list, if I couldn't get an A2 Abrams or Leopard II. It's a good, solid machine.
>>72097282
Why not the Leopard twoo [spoiler]POO IN LOO[/spoiler]
>>72097403
They're pretty reliable desu
We've been using them for years and haven't faced any problems
That's probably why we ordered 1500 more of them
>>7208993
My Bosnian friend,
There's nothing more delicious than the man who's country used to be based, used to be important and culturally relevant but is now a shitty skid mark on the underpants of Europe.
We know our history is short, we're not under any illusion. We turned our country into a first world nation in a hundred or so years. You've been around for how long and you're nation is '2nd World'. Polite way of saying a shithole.
Tell me something Croat, why don't you just end it all like the rest of your countrymen are?
>>72095182
you're absolutely correct. However...
While the Leopard 2 is a fantastic tank, it's hard to compare it to an Abrams. p sure the Russian T-90 get's comparable mileage to the Abrams, maybe even better in the T-90S
You need more cooling desu
>>72097697
>>72097542
>>72097403
Is this a good tank?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_EX
>>72096700
the f-35 lighting II has serious design and structural problems, it can’t turn, can’t climb and the engine constantly malfunctions. It's just another train wreck like the f22
>>72097921
bump
>>72096507
>Investing in the Sukhoi PAK FA
>Not investing in the India-Russia combined project HAL/Sukhoi FGFA that will use the PAK FA as its base model
wew lad
https://in.rbth.com/fgfa
Leopard 2A6
>>72098216
does it run on poo?
>>72098216
>the tank would be called "Karna", after one of the heroes of the Indian epic, the "Mahabharata", named after the sound the human anus makes after a week of eating nothing but rogan josh.
>>72098423
http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/07/14/pentagons-big-budget-f-35-fighter-cant-turn-cant-climb-cant-run/
>>72098455
No but it will use biochemical warfare (Diarrhea bombs)
>>72087888
Maybe Israel since they test their tanks in similar conditions as Australia has.
>>72098522
The fuck is rogan josh desu
>>72098523
>Reuters
>>72098522
I like that & we could call the nuclear missile the agneya weapon
>>72097187
agreed, it's a beast
Even the German leocuck tank would struggle against it
>>72098522
>>72088380
Autoloader and ammunition are separated from the crew. Even if the turret with all the ammunition explodes the crew should survive
>>72098634
The fact is that Sukhoi puts far more effort into making their fighters as maneuverable as possible while the US just throws money at things without proper testing.
The US can still eventually beat Russia's aircraft in a war but it will only be due to superiority in numbers
>>72098423
The F-35 was supposed to be a cheap lightweight plane like an F-16, so keep costs down it was designed with one engine (again, like an F-16).
Trouble is the mission profile and the amount of shit is has to haul around grew exponentially, including 4000 lbs of electronics and a 6000 lb S/VTOL fan. Now the F-35 has a 29,000 lb dry weight compared to the F-16's 19,000 lbs.
Yet the design was never changed from only having one engine.
So now that one engine, first envisioned as a cost-saver both in construction and maintenance, has had to be developed into the most powerful thrust/weight jet engine in aviation history. And that kind of extreme performance doesn't come cheap, or reliable.
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/we-finally-know-why-an-f-35-burned-on-the-runway-1630541564
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/the-f-35-cant-run-on-warm-gas-from-a-fuel-truck-that-sa-1668120726
>>72098826
But being a British tank it will be under constant air attack from the Americans.
>>72091944
They almost stopped production after a few got fucked in the Lebanon war.
The trophy system from France is super impressive though
>>72099303
But you shouldn't need America's assistance in the next emu war if you invest in that tank.
It will be fine m8
>>72099275
>Muh 1 Engine
The Most Successful Aircraft of all time have been single-engine planes.
>>72099673
Good show Ameribro you made it through the first sentence. Now try to make it all the way to the 2nd and 3rd where I address this point.
>>72093231
can you please let the UK leave the EU?
>>72095433
Their Tanks are from Mitsubishi.
>it's a Europe, Bangladesh and india shill their military hardware to Australia thread
>>72098524
So is it a single-shot deal where the pilot ejects? Or do you just strap some untouchables onto the weapons pylons?
>>72100417
Bangladesh has military?
>2016
>not using spider tanks
>>72087888
Australia WTF! you better buy you're tank's from us.
>>72096700
comes with a free beer holder. upgrades are extra.
>>72100781
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/norwegian-pilot-counters-leaked-f-35-dogfight-report-422552/
>>72100742
take out one leg and your tanks fucked, and I bet it can't move that fast and costs way more
>>72100417
>Its an aussies can't build their own hardware and have to rely on americans and europeans thread
>>72100742
kill it with thermite!
>>72100781
>air battle
>dogfight
>implying
I like the meme that gen 5 aircraft actually dogfight with onboard guns.
>>72099141
>Even if the turret with all the ammunition explodes the crew should survive
>the crew should survive
There is a ring of doubt in your words.
>>72087888
I am said that Germany gave up on developing a 140mm gun for the Leopard II.
>>72093598
>>72093598
This x 10000000000000000000.
Also, portable anti-tank weapon systems are just way too fucking good right now.
>>72094356
There are far more air to ground vehicles than there are ground to air vehicles
I'd like to see how a tank battalion survives carpet bombings and/or drone strikes
>>72101070
After every war "Experts" declare tanks to be obsolete. And yet tanks always end up fighting in the next war anyway.
>>72089196
>2016
>not using tanks to fight the emu menace
>>72101149
I don't know about you but if a bomb goes off I'd rather be inside a nice comfy tank than outside getting torn to pieces by shrapnel.
>>72101070
I just want to be part of a tank crew
>>72100742
>Ho, look, mud
I'd suggest we get our tanks from the French, specifically stuff like the AMX R-10 and what not, because for what we use our defence for, it isn't stuff that really warrants having tanks like the Abrams.
The ADF spends most of its time doing specialised counter-insurgency operations or light-infantry warfare, the AMX 10-RC and vehicles like that occassion such activity since they're light and fast, but also pack a punch with their guns.
You should buy the Polish meme tank
>"it works, i swear on my jumpsuit" - Iwan
>>72100915
>mfw we're buying our subs from the frog fuckers
>>72101149
Any western coalition rolling in to pacify the goatherders is going to need armored ground vehicles to take and hold terrain, something big and scary that completely shrugs off IEDs and RPGs
ISIS is the one that shouldn't field tanks because they have to worry about A-10s and Predator strikes
Which side of the war are you planning on being exactly Australia senpai
>>72087888
Why dont you buy tanks from New Zealand?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-nSxFimoHg
>>72087888
Leopard 2 for value for money
Challenger 2 if you want tanks that can take a hit
>>72101809
>le sexy Quiet cosplay
>potato face
Dang almost
>>72090799
how many women did you rape in the military? whats something kawai you found out?
>>72094109
is that fucking corrugated iron?
>>72101809
Not really the same when she looks like a downie
decent effort
>>72091480
German owned I bet. nice try.
>>72101982
Colorbond brand
>>72088393
Our Greatest Ally
>>72101201
Australia literally has more Fighter Aircraft than MBT's.
They're obsolete.
Fast-moving vehicles moving guys around fast with MANPADS > MBTs. Look at what a bunch of low IQ sandniggers can do with very limited supplies of MANPADS, now imagine what a professional army can do with endless supplies of missiles to put in their MANPADS.
>>72101907
wait til you see her full set ;)
http://imgur.com/SiDTKEr
>>72101803
>>72102018
cheeky cunt have a (you)
>>72093081
How many?
>>72102117
>developed countries
>Taiwan, Singapore and Australia are the only first world countries on that list
not sure how feel
>>72102080
>They're obsolete.
And yet they keep getting used in every single conflict of note.
>>72102214
>>72088134
Germany is Europe hue hue
>>72093578
>chinese
>quality
Pick one.
>>72102117
Your planes are pretty good m80
Especially the Rafales
>>72102080
>muh MANPADS
>>72093598
>implying we theres been large scale manuver warfare that hasnt used tanks
Gulf war, iraq. Tanks gain ground and hold it. Aircraft cant do that.
>>72102298
You had the Mirage2000 right? just buy that Rafale lad. It can nukes Pakistan without problem.
>>72102426
We bought 36 Rafales lad
>>72102117
>>72102256
>MFW you faggot's keep punking out!
Stop being a bitch and fight the shitskin's back war is the 1 thin the U.S is still good at.
>>72102457
*are in process of buying
But it will most likely happen
Just some internal trouble from few faggots who don't want to buy it because its not "cheap enough"
>>72087888
Aussie buy our tanks, they are the shit I swear on me mum
>all the tank apologists ITT
Literally what is toyota war you niggers
>>72102590
I can confirm
Russian tanks are besto tanks, thank you for selling them to us Russia
>>72087888
>challenger 2
>literally not one lost in combat, only one lost was due to friendly fire and an unlucky shot at that
>one got stuck once and survived 14 rpgs and a MILAN anti tank missle
>another survived being hit by SEVENTY FUCKING RPGS in Basra
>still manages to have proper tea making facilities on board
is any other country even trying?
>>72102590
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-buzz/why-russias-t-80-tank-total-disaster-13550
>>72102965
>t-80 tanks
wew lad
>>72102965
>literal EU poster talking shit about T-80s
topkek
>>72087888
The Leopard II is probably the best all-round MBT out there (ironic considering it'll never get used).
MBTs are becoming increasingly obsolete anyway, it's probably not worth buying any at all.
>>72102965
>National Interest
>AKA Clickbait Central
Sometimes they have good articles. Usually, it is just warmongering gibberish.
>>72103038
>MBTs are becoming increasingly obsolete anyway,
Compared to what?
>>72102956
> challenger 2
> never actually been in proper combat
> only ever got plinked by rpgs from the 60s
> the one time it got hit by an rpg 28, the driver lost his legs
Good job, bongs.
>>72102426
LOL mirage always makes me laugh out loud remembering Dale Brown books and the shit countries getting btfo'd by b52 bomber
>>72087888
it's all yours my friend
now go fight those emus!
>>72103422
comes with backup
>>72103149
Lighter vehicles that are easier to transport and can deploy in a wider range of environments.
Active defense systems are becoming more and more advanced, encroaching on the territory of the old passive armour defences at a fraction of the cost and weight and missile-based weapon systems are becoming much more effective in line with 120mm/130mm cannon, combined this is starting to allow lighter vehicles to achieve a similar level of resilience and lethality as the MBT.
The MBT is unlikely to disappear completely but most armies capable of international force projection are looking to expand their IFV capability, not their MBT.
>>72100950
Tubs have been used in tanks for decades and ensure crew survivability.
CC autoloaders remove human error, reduce excess weight, reduce crew requirements and allow for further separation of crew and ordinance.
The Armata, and the tanks that follow in its lead, will be by far the most survivable tanks in the case of a catastrophic cook off.
By comparison, the M1A2 export version fielded by Saudi Arabia (With DU plates in the turret equivalent to current US standards) has suffered numerous catastrophic cook offs.
Separate, computer controlled autoloaders are part of the future of arms development.
>>72095482
I think certain yurop mobile phone carriers give an EU flag.
>>72089653
pay your debts you shitcunt
>>72102636
Anytime indobro. Use them well (read: remove kebab)
>>72104561
Why are there two australias on the picture
>>72089196
Yes, buy more ships from us mate
>>72105512
>Russian Education
>>72106365
Hey mate, give them some credit.
They're smart enough to elect God-Emperor Putin, meanwhile we're stuck with prepbull after Tony Rabbit and a line of flip-flopping censorshit labourfags.
>>72106089
Spain makes ships?
I thought you guys just got cucked by Moors and old British expats.
>>72106647
We make very good battleships which you guys buy, and we killed and expelled all the Moors and Jews, so no problem with that
>>72106733
>Spain
>Battleships
Kek
Mate, they're LHDs, basically motorised pontoons.
We'd build them ourselves, but it costs too much to pay human beings to build ships, so thank fuck for Moorish rape babies.
>part of the commonwealth
>not using a british tank
>>72087888
Stick with the Leos. Trust me on this one. The Rheinmketall L55/140 will become the gold standard of NATO MBT armaments, and the Leo 2A7+ has some neato armor concepts going on without relying on (already defeated) ERA.
>>72107760
British industry is owned by curryniggers.
Britain is full of curryniggers.
Honestly, who would buy a tank built by curryniggers?
>>72107943
We got rid of Leo decades ago, we use hand-me-down clapistani tanks.
>>72108112
What I mean, is, get them back. Stick with what you had, those things were good. Even if the Leo 1 was a little light on the armour, the Leo 2 is a highly mobile combat beast with high first shot accuracy and reliable, easy to service machinery.
>tfw ANZAC forces in Wargame are generally perceived as the weakest nation on BLUFOR
>tfw love my "Yeah, nah, cunt" ANZAC deck, because it shits out baller infantry with fast Leo support for dem pincer movements
No really. Get Leos. Germans know about weapons. You see the MBT70, the abortion the Americans made with the Germans? The Germans moved on to a 120mm smoothbore, and the Americans stuck with the 105mm. Later on, they had to shell out mad dosh again to refit all their M1's with the clearly superior 120mm Rheinmetall. Stay ahead of the curve, mate. You want that L55/140 on the best platform possible. You want the Leo 2. You don't want those gas guzzling aged shitshows the Americans call an MBT.
>>72108453
Yeah, I know we don't want the Abrams anymore, but we also don't want an uprated 30 year old design.
>>72103937
The cookoffs you speak are mostly from captured tanks with crews that didn't know what to do.
>>72108453
Remember the time in ww1 Australia destroyed Germany's army to such a point they lost all negotiating leverage and had accept the shit terms the allies demanded?
What about that time they butt fucked the Afrika corps so bad Rommel admitted to hitler that he wished he had Australian soldiers?''
Or the time we threw you out of PNG
I know you Euros love to talk war games because that's all you've done for the past 80 yrs.
So you might remember how we're the only ones to constantly sink U.S aircraft carriers in your lil pew pew pew games
>>72109765
Remember that time where they chucked the Aussies out of the boats/planes/ships first because the NZ soldiers were valuable?
>>72108998
Nah, Saudi logistics is shite, so they overstock with ammo and that causes massive cook off's.
>>72110314
Nah mate, that's cause the kiwis hadn't reached climax with their comfort sheep - you never disturb a man mid stroke.
I would only buy from the US if I ran things there. In the event of a war or needing to use said tanks, who is most "important" ally with a military custom made to cater to the Abrams? Spare parts, bridging equipment, ammunition, lift capacity, electronics, armor inserts, future upgrades running parallel etc etc
Which foreign supplier is also the most reliable, least likely to cut sales, and difficult to cut off from supplying you with all this as well?
No other tanks any point, unless it's a mega robot doom mecha because everything important is much more efficient with the current choice. Which is why they choose it.
>>72088595
>in the chav cav
>relevant
Sure.
>>72087888
Russia, those refugee boats need the 152mm shells it's packing.
Buy our fucking Challenger 2s.
>>72112200
No one needs your meme rifled gun design in 2016.
>>72112113
*unlikely
>>72112113
Buying shit from Clapistan has been one of our worst mistakes.
Shit is massively overpriced, they don't sell you up to date equipment, unless you're a Muslim.
The only country that would sell us munitions capable of destroying modern tank armour is fucking Russia, but our defence policy is corrupt as fuck - they decided who would win the fighter trials before there was a trial - fuck they decided the F-35 won before it even flew once.
>>72101441
A light tank that specialises in stealth that has it's own troop transport is actually perfect for australian way of fighting.
>>72113028
Merkavas would be perfect, or something similar to that.
>>72101441
>>72113028
Why buy from the poles when you can get the CV90/120 with Adaptiv camouflage from the Swedes directly? It's a BAE/Bofors collaboration. And since ANZAC has deals with the Scandis anyway, it shouldn't be too hard to get your foot into that door again.
