select your system of government and explain why.
>>72078774
Fascism. Very simple system top down, strong leader, strong military, national economy, and no more voting nonsense
Doesn't matter. They all end up the same in the long run anyway. One can only be better than another for a short period of time before it becomes corrupted and bastardized.
>>72079880
Elaborate pls
>>72078774
Judaism
>>72078774
Probably a philosopher king that would be replaced by careful examination of qualities, certainly no hereditary rule.
No jews allowed, but that should be a given.
>>72080154
a fellow reader of plato
Can we say democracy without Jews?
>>72078774
republic
>>72080213
Who would get to vote
>>72080231
Explain
>>72080324
Because everything else you listed that's not a republic is authoritarian as fuck.
>>72078774
Traditionalist Monarchy
Fascism is a puerile system, thoroughly modernist and rooted in the destructive tendencies of the 20th century.
Republicanism is too open to corruption and subversion.
Communism is materialistic, degenerate.
Monarchy, when free from party politics, under a benevolent monarch, is the best system for a harmonious nation. Capitalism and socialism are both evils.
Fascism, but fascism isn't an exclusive style. Fascism isn't a style of government, it is not an ideology, it is not a religion and it is not a political party.
It is all of these things, it is a very way of life.
We have Julius Caesar and Augustus as fascists, Plato as a proto-fascist and so on and so forth.
The fact is, fascism is a complete system, or rather it is a spirit. It has far more life and power than any of these other systems.
>>72080400
Well what else did you have in mind
>>72080439
>puerile
Disagreed.
Fascism has the aristocratic spirit, but retrains the spirit to live within a pragmatic approach.
Yes it uses progressivism, but it uses progressivism after atavism. Therefore it is a meritocratic evolution of traditionalist systems.
Fascism simply put, is the uniting of wills into the collective Will, the proper use of said will and the making efficient the application of said Will.
>>72080489
any specific brand of fascism
>>72080400
There is nothing wrong with authoritarianism from the standpoint of pure efficiency.
Either you show why authoritarianism is inefficient or why argumentum ad efficientiam is an improper approach.
>>72080827
Not how fascism works, fascism is a force that plastically changes depending on the environment and circumstances.
In the doctrines of fascism by Mussolini and Giovanni gentile, it is very specifically said that any piece of doctrine and anything can and will be adopted or dropped when it proves efficient and pragmatic to do so.
Blind idealism is a weakness and against the philosophy of Actual Idealism.
>>72080711
Dubs
>>72080400
Dubs
federalism, the government that allows large empires like the United States to have some form of democracy to a large population
or ideally a decentralized government with crypto currency and decentralized businesses such as uber
>>72081553
You're supposed to be a Republic.
>>72081262
What are your views of Franco's Spain
>>72080944
if you like being told what to do, then you are a cuckold, people who want authoritarianism are cucks. Have fun eating your estrogen foods fag
>>72081729
Constitutional Republic
>>72081277
Duble dubs rare
>>72081806
You've destroyed your constitution.
Communism.
Because I'm not a shill for the upper classes.
>>72081785
But what if your the leader and are telling people what to do
>>72078774
Monarchy only absolutely no inbreeding, and all princes that wont be king will be killed once there is a king to prevent royal "muh family name" cancer.
>>72081990
So you believe that all men are equal
>>72082058
a little Ottoman action there
>>72081745
I personally see Franco's influence as positive with falangism being a example of fascism being able to change.
I personally also hold pinochet's chile as an economically different form of fascism.
I personally am trying to devise a system that is a mixture of a libertarian economy, corporatism (corporate national syndicalism) with the use of two constitutions to balance the power of the syndicates and the State.
If your system can't produce borders like these, it ain't worth it.
>>72082076
No, I believe that all men deserve a perfect equality of opportunity where they're rewarded for their hard work and contribution. And I don't believe that people should be treated like vermin for happening to be less able.
Not everyone is equally smart, or strong, or fast, or charismatic. But they should still have the opportunities there to contribute according to their ability.
>>72082158
Cool im like for free enterprise within the state, but some protectionism in trade to keep companies in our country. a self reliant country wouldnt be bad either
>>72082262
Doesn't sound to communist or marxist
>>72082212
inb4 elevens ruins everything.
>>72082379
If it doesn't you should read some more communist literature.
>>72082379
>it does not sound like stalin
>probably not communism
pol/10
>>72078774
Tradition
>>72082123
Princesses if born are sold to families because women are useless and shit in a monarchy meaning only boys matter as boys will become kings never must a woman ever gain power in a monarchy. Therefore the queen is just the king's decoration a glorified fucktoy that looks good to appeal to the masses while the king cheats on that bitch like crazy. Royal bastards are executed as well.
>>72082502
I read some of his stuff for a philosophy class. I think his ideas are not compatible to true human nature.
>>72082684
>human nature
Every single time.
If you think human nature is being a servile pleb you have some self-esteem issues.
>>72082556
or lenin, polpot, mao, Marx himself
>>72082502
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRFHtXjoy3A
right.
>>72082212
What happened to 'Straya?
>>72078915
FPBP always
>>72082805
if people are not equal, does that not mean that some people are more qualified to lead over others
>>72083024
It was cut off from the internet to save the world from their shitposts so without an outlet for their animalistic instincts society degenerated back to aborigine tier tribes
None of the above
Military based empire that only allows those who have served non commission combat roles to be allowed to advance
>>72083145
No because no one should be leading over anyone.
>>72078774
Constitutional monarchy. People will resent fascism, monarchy gives people culture and national pride without seeming to impose itself because the king supposedly works for the betterment of his country and legacy over globalist agenda.
>>72083191
Y. human beings are animals, im sure you believe in the same evolution.that i do
This is how your average nat socialist looks like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBbSsr_5Blc
>>72083248
Good answer
>>72083275
>Human beings are animals.
Yes and animals generally get along with their species and leave each other alone.
>>72083191
OK but we're talking about reality here, not liberal fantasy land.
>>72083294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AufQINNTbNc
>>72083294
turkish guy?
>>72083467
neat song.
>>72083392
um animals are territorial and very tribal, like us humans.
>>72083433
Speaking of fantasy land
I wish Anarchism in the way it's meant to be achievable
everyone would be able to do their own shit
but sadly impossible due to there being the existence of selfish, egotistical, and power hungry pricks
>>72083508
nope
>>72083433
Reality is pretty all right. Don't see any reason why "reality" is any better of a reason for why we need to be trampling all over each other and whoring ourselves out to nobility and/or the bourgeoisie, than "it's 2016" is a good reason for law enstated cucking.
>>72083524
I love Hellas
>>72083535
>>72083392
animals are vast topic. it's a bit retarded to enter this topic anyhow.
>>72083549
Eh used to be an AnCap, but then i realized how so many people would sell their freedom away for gibs me dat
>>72078915
But the one problem I had with it is what happens AFTER? Is it automatically reverting to a monarchy so say, Mussolini's son becomes leader? What would happen if Hitler died after winning WW2? Who would take over, it's leaving massive room for civil unrest. Facism probably evolved into most of the world's monarchies in the first place after an exceptional man seized power.
>>72083653
I myself was an AnSoc
Now I'm just a politically agnostic cap
>>72083535
Say you're a bear and you catch a fish.
Does some other bear come along with the bear cops shouting about how this is his property but you can work for his bear company in exchange for a bear wage? No, of course not because private property - the chief thing communism seeks to abolish is a totally artificial abstraction.
Globalist Jewish Cabal (aka today)
>>72083666
Your right, i see fascism as more of a means to an end. a militeristic period of national cleaning, both francos spain and pinochets chile returned to democratic systems, but instead of that, we just transition into a monarchy
>>72083834
Bears can be very territorial, dog will be well fed and will still fight over scraps. more social animals like primates have alpha primates that lead the group.
>>72083159
straya stopped doing humour in the late 80s.
our lad Canada excelled.
>>72083889
I always sort of dream about Europe entering a Nazi like state of hardcore crusading against all the elements tearing apart civilization before reforming to more moderate and traditional monarchies. Democracy is too easily manipulated against the people's will.
>>72083834
bears arent intelligent enough to create money, but if they were, they would
>>72084050
The Austrian guy is right, this line of thinking is extremely silly.
>>72084106
kind of a melding of the alternative right ideologies
>>72084106
First and Second Reichs were the best
3rd was shit because a genius politician was trying to lead a military even though he was a military retard
>>72083647
explain, we are animals, by studying them, we can better understand ourselves
>>72078774
CALL TO ARMS thread may be shit but this got interesting
can anyone help us what he has and bump the thread >>72081419 → →
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>german bro unknown cargo with military key harbor and air field is closed
>>72084202
so are you fine believing out of 300 MILLION people nepotism doesn't exist and government is fair?
and you don't have a monarchy.
Stalinist USSR doesn't sound too bad. Five-Year Plans, industrialization, absolute rule.
That, and no killing of useful intellectuals. They might be handy. *looks at eve of WW2*
>>72084329
I can agree to an extent past 1941. prior the NSDAP did pretty good, but i would have preferred Bismark to Hitler any day as a leader
>>72084517
more of an oligarchy of a special merchant class. they buy the politicians and influence people through the media to vote for them, and this shows us that most people cant even think for ourselves
>>72084745
* themselves
>>72084329
tfw I will never live in the second reich
https://youtu.be/-dF1IjU0Njc
>>72084901
Seriously, this hurts my soul to look at.
What has become of one of the sacred cornerstones of mainland Europe?
https://youtu.be/CkaTAEvEE9w
>>72084575
how is your cunt with the young lad now,Singapore?
I remember we watched on /int/ the old mans funeral.
>>72084575
Well i mean Lenin already killed all the intellectuals they didn't like prior. and as a fascist i cant support any form of marxism
>>72084982
I dunno, gays are fine if they don't scream and act like fags about it
Marriage shouldn't be a state institution anyway, give me the tax breaks instead you jewish pricks
>>72084745
At least you are aware of what we all have become.
thats something.
>>72081785
So your only argument is an argument from emotion, totally lacking efficiency and based off of hypersexual materialistic individualism.
No care for the collective will, the good of the state or even the good of the nation.
Under what understanding does your view make sense in a case for the most proper form of government and the like?
>>72085171
I have a neither help nor hinder policy, and in my LARPY system, state marriage would be to have and raise the next country men and women.>>72085259
>>72082287
Autarky is a core aspect of the goals of a fascist nation.
In any case I've yet to see a proper argument against collectivist capitalism and class collaboration. I do agree free and fair trade at once on a case by case basis makes the most sense.
>>72085259
Thats what happens in democratic systems when governing is left up to the farmers and mechanics who get all their info from one news source.
>>72083626
Why must the female whore herself out to the male?
Why must the hungry man take from the farmer?
The answer is simple, one has something that the other wants, needs or lacks.
Your egalitarianism is against nature and against efficiency, being in no way pragmatic.
The female offers what she can to partake of the labour of the male.
The "workers" work for the business owners who do the bulk of the mental labour and investing of capital and connections and human value through connections and know-how.
The worker needs the owner of the manufacturing company, the owner of the restaurant and so on and so forth.
Everyone has their own abilities, but everyone should accept that and so as they are worth. At this point comes self-improvement.
Communism rejects meritocracy, for this it is extremely inefficient. It does not reject it for logic's sake, but for emotion's sake.
>>72085453
there are certain American qualities that my system would like to keep. Ease of starting a business is one of them.
>>72085558
never pull your news from one source. too americaN
>>72085819
Did you write that, because if you did, that was awesome
>>72078774
None of the above.
>>72085968
But the AVG american has a lot of other things to worry about, so that is why governing the country should be left to a professional group
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4-wicKsoi0
>>72086058
well what do you want then
>>72086152
A free society.
Ignore my changed ID, I was downloading something and forgot to turn my proxy off.
>>72086274
used to be one. great in theory
>>72086123
>so that is why governing the country should be left to a professional group
Really?
We're on /pol/
interesting to find a democrat here.
>>72086123
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4-wicKsoi0
faggotry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiYDoNxa5Yk
Lad made shit work.
>>72086274
only possible if you find a way to remove modern technology.
really it's technology which forces either extreme control or extreme degeneracy
Well its late got to go to bed. Thanks everyone for making my first thread a huge success and feel free to use it till its dead.
>>72086685
You got our rain too Singapore lads.
>>72078774
Fascism - efficient but unstable usually during but always after the lifetime of the establishing fascist.
Monarchy - Legitimacy from some fictitious claim of supreme will. Can be just as ineffective as Republics with less stability due to questionable monarchs.
Republic - Inefficient but stable. Really the only sensible choice.
Communism - Often talked talked about but never actually implemented probably because it just is not practicable. Functions against human nature as it treats people as unambitious automatons who will be satisfied to have enough toilet paper as they need rather than anyone wanting to stockpile or even more aggressively monopolize.
Republicanism is the only one that can survive. A monarch can survive within republic. A figurehead.
I'm Irish and I have no loyalty. I want Britain to have a Queen. I respect her.
>>72078774
Monarchy is the best system, seeing as it worked for 99% of human existence. That is, up until very recently when a bunch of useless parasites deluded the masses into thinking false egalitarianism was 'progress'.
If monarchy doesn't work, Fascism has -itself- a proven track record of returning failed states into successful societies.
The republic is the third most successful government type, although for much of it's history, the Roman """Republic""" was clearly a despotic monarchy, so keep that in mind when considering Republic.
Communism has never worked and always turns into generic authoritarianism. But go ahead, keep buying those Che t-shirts and dreaming about the 'world wide revolution'.
>>72083024
I think someone dropped a space colony on it.
>>72085819
Fucking Screen capped.
Why not facist constitutional monarchy?
I'd like a monarchy where the monarch actually rules.
>>72078774
Aristocracy.
>>72078774
Any as long as it is ethno centric, eugenic, meriotcratic and aristocratic
>>72080439
>puerile
>belives people have the genetic right to rule
although i do like monarchy, history has proven that monarchies will place their interest above the state from time to time.
at least with fascism, especially one where everyone is expected to be in line, corruption could artifically be kept low.
>>72082262
>I believe that all men deserve a perfect equality of opportunity
you see, that costs a lot, it can even lead to inefficiency. why waste the money providing equal opportunities when you can hand pick the best of the best.
>>72080439
>Communism is materialistic
so like... logical and scientific
