I am gathering facts on the red pill for women. Please post any facts that you have gathered as well. Also, someone please make all this stuff into a really pretty chart/image. It'd be glorious, like that Islamic one.
Facts I've gathered that support the red pill on women:
Divorce Rates:
Age of first sexual experience (p.10):
>18: ~32-38%
17-18: 47%
15-16: 59%
13-14: 72%
<12: 82%
Number of prior sexual partners (p.18):
0: 20%
1: 46%
2-4: 56-60%
5-15: ~70%
16+: ~80%
http://s3.amazonaws.com/thf_media/2003/pdf/Bookofcharts.pdf
"Splitting" chores and housework leads to a sexually frustrated and unfulfilled partnership.
*50% higher divorce rate amonth those who split the work compared to where women do most of the work.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/9572187/Couples-who-share-the-housework-are-more-likely-to-divorce-study-finds.html
*Women initiate 70% of divorces (1)
*College aged women initiate 90% of divorces (1)
*Yet in non-marital relationships, that falls closer to 50% of break-ups being initiated by either the man or woman (2)
(1) http://www.unc.edu/courses/2010fall/econ/586/001/Readings/Brinig.pdf
(2) https://web.stanford.edu/~mrosenfe/Rosenfeld_gender_of_breakup.pdf
*Women cheaters have 127% more partners than men
*41% of women would divorce over an affair versus 29% for men
*Women love their affair partner 57% of the time, men 27% of the time
*In a marriage, women are found to cheat sooner than men cheat
*Where men seek sexual excitement, women seek emotional fulfillment/ego boost
http://pressreleases.responsesource.com/news/71947/the-uk-adultery-survey-female-cheaters-more-promiscuous-than
*89% of heterosexual women prefer a submissive role in BDSM
*71% of heterosexual men prefer a dominant role in BDSM
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8572912
Will post more below.
*Liberal men are proven to be least happy individuals (only 1/5 identify as happy)
*Conservative, religious, married, family-oriented women have highest rates of happiness (40%)
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/social/pdf/AreWeHappyYet.pdf
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/15/opinion/sunday/a-formula-for-happiness.html?_r=0
*80% of males are below average according to women
http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-looks-and-online-dating/
*Women only initiate sex 15.5% of the time
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20141590
*Increased rates of sex that includes insertion makes for happier relationships
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25402432
*A man's sperm quality peaks in his 30s and doesn't decline until his 40s
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18392674/
*Defloration is proven to increase bonds between a couple
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17307304
*If a woman's friend gets a divorce she is 75% more likely to divorce as well
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/10/21/is-divorce-contagious/
*Overweight women are much less likely to orgasm from PiV sex, worse at sex in general
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25763278
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25268779
*70% of men between 20-34 aren't married and 50% of them will never get marrried.
http://cnsnews.com/news/article/barbara-hollingsworth/bachelor-nation-70-men-aged-20-34-are-not-married
someone make this shit into a chart its golden
Sexy Girls Walk Differently
Girls who cum from PIV sex have a sexier walk. Researchers could pick them from the other girls just by their walks over 80% of the time. Now you know: If she's got that sway, she probably cums easily from PIV.
source: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18637995
Bump
looking for dissenting opinions as well
Stop putting them on pedestals.
Most of them like security and being dominated. Stop being nice to them, it makes their pussies a dry desert. Also MGTOW is bitter trash.
*Women's frequency and depth of orgasm is related to the man's family income, self-confidence, looks, sense of humor and the breadth of his shoulders.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25376054?dopt=Abstract
>>72049387
all very true points.
>>72049387
is there any context here? this picture is hilarious
this chart actually uses a different study than the one in my first post (the facts behind partner count and divorce rates are backed up by hundreds of studies, so don't let blue pilled cucks try to explain away a single study)
>>72049231
Inb4 muh feels
bumpers, gotta step out for a second
>>72050401
Aboriginal men are aware of white privilege but dont fight against it because they are more civilized than current year leftists
I regularly report /r9k/ tier threads but I'm going to leave this one alone because it's based on facts and talks about women as a whole, rather than just screaming about how inferior they are.
>>72051628
Good to know. r9k cucks are not red pill in my mind, they are black pill. red pill tells you to be aware of how women/hypergamy work and then tells you to be the best you can be in order to have a traditional and funcitonal marriage. all r9k does is cry about the fact that there is, in fact, a sexual/social hierarchy (which, like, no fucking duh?)
http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm
Just going to leave this here, it will wake you up to why women are women and why men are men backed by evolution-psychology.
bumping for interest
>>72050613
Surely this has nothing to do with the culture that women come from that don't have premarital sex. Or that people who don't practice it are shamed into not divorcing.
You could skew this the other way and find proof in that men cheat as often as women or even more, they are savages that kill people, they are degenerates that more than women are wont to become faggots or pedophiles.
Not saying women are perfect, but you must be a dimwitted loser to hate women so without seeing your own actions.
Study confirms ugly women become feminists because they can't attract a man
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2129456/Do-girls-want-career-attract-man-Provocative-study-casts-high-fliers-new-light.html
>>72052315
What we know is that higher n-count is directly related to higher divorce rates. What you're trying to extrapolate isn't supported by any data.
Here's some more info for you :)
Kahn and London, 1991
Data from the National Survey of Family Growth indicate that "women who are sexually active prior to marriage faced considerably higher risk of marital disruption than women who were virgin brides." These scholars explain that even when controlling for various differentials between virginal and non-virginal groups -- such as socio-economics, family background as well as attitudinal and value differences -- "non-virgins still face a much higher risk of divorce than virgins." 1
Laumann, Gagnon, Michael and Michaels, 1994
The massive and highly respected National Health and Social Life Survey, conducted at the University of Chicago, was the first serious, fully reputable study of sexual behavior in America. It found a marked connection between premarital sex and elevated risk of divorce. The authors explain:
"For both genders, we find that virgins have dramatically more stable first marriages…" 2
"The finding confirms the results reported by Kahn and London…those who are virgins at marriage have much lower rates of separation and divorce." 3
Additionally, "Those who marry as non-virgins are also more likely – all other things being equal – to be unfaithful over the remainder of their life compared with those spouses who do marry as virgins." 4
This higher prevalence of marital infidelity among the non-virginal is assumed to be an important factor in their higher likelihood of divorce, while "those who are virgins at marriage are those who go to greater lengths to avoid divorce." 5 Essentially, non-virgins typically appear to do more to harm their marriages and virgins do more to strengthen them.
Heaton, 2002
>>72052668
In a study looking at factors impacting increased marital stability, Brigham Young sociologist Tim Heaton examined how premarital sexual experience, premarital child-bearing, cohabitation and marrying someone of a different religious faith were all associated with greater risk of divorce. Heaton explains, "Dissolution rates are substantially higher among those who initiate sexual activity before marriage." Heaton asserts that divorce is more likely among the sexually active and cohabitors because they have established their life together on "relatively unstable sexual relationships." 6
Teachman, 2003
Sociologist Jay Teachman examined how both premarital sex and cohabitation impacts risk of divorce among women. He found that "[i]t remains the case, however, that women with more than one intimate relationship prior to marriage have an elevated risk of marital disruption." 7
Paik, 2011
This newest study looks specifically at first sexual experience in adolescence and was conducted by Professor Anthony Paik at the University of Iowa. He explains that his "research shows that adolescent sexuality/premarital sex is associated with marital dissolution" and that a significant factor is whether the sexual experience in later adolescence was welcomed by the girl. He explains, "Adolescent sexual debut that is not completely wanted is both directly and indirectly linked to marital dissolution" which are the overwhelming majority of adolescent sexual experiences for girls.8 Seldom do they report not being pressured or forced into sex.
>>72052740
Paik also found that females who first had sex in their teens had roughly double the risk of divorce later in life compared to women who had their first unmarried sexual experience in their adult years.
He found that teen girls who experienced their first sexual experience with a young man who would eventually be her husband did not have particularly elevated risk of divorce. However, very few of girls who lose their virginity in their teens end up having only had sex with their husband. The overwhelming majority of non-virginal adolescent girls – nearly all – end up having had sex with multiple partners before marriage, thus increasing their later risk for divorce. 9
Conclusion
Science is now showing us what our grandmothers and pastors knew all along. Having sex with someone who is not our spouse can have a real, measurable and harmful impact upon later relationships.
When we give ourselves away – and sex is a full giving of ourselves away physically, emotionally, spiritually – to someone outside the commitment and protection of marriage, it breaks down an important part of us, making our future relationships more unhealthy and difficult to sustain.
Young adults have a right to know about this sort of empirical information because of its very real potential impact on their later, most-important relationships.
>>72052346
Nobody's saying women are evil or that they hate women. Do you see that in this thread? What I'm countering is the societal ideal that women are fucking perfect, which is why so many men put them on a pedestal.
Also, this.
*Women cheaters have 127% more partners than men
*41% of women would divorce over an affair versus 29% for men
*Women love their affair partner 57% of the time, men 27% of the time
*In a marriage, women are found to cheat sooner than men cheat
*Where men seek sexual excitement, women seek emotional fulfillment/ego boost
http://pressreleases.responsesource.com/news/71947/the-uk-adultery-survey-female-cheaters-more-promiscuous-than
Read between the lines. The whole point is that when men cheat it's not for fulfillment, it's to just get off. Women cheat to get away from their husband and find a better man. Hypergamy/alpha cock.
>>72046387
I'm going to do you a favor by saying this because otherwise you will fuck up real bad if you try to explain all this to a woman irl.
1st. Men don't argue with women, at all.
If you try to put yourself at her level in a discussion, she will play her feelings cards and defeat you with experience.
If you lose the argument, she loses her respect towards you. And if you win the argument, she will be angry at you regardless. Conflict is not worth it.
2.Big part of the redpill for woman is seduction, their ability to get a partner. Some women are ugly as fuck, therefore they need to develop in other areas to make for it. Beautiful women dont need to do this so they dont give a shit most of the time. Because women value decreases over time they have an uphill race towards their goal of getting a partner.
3.in the age of technology we have forgotten how important, non verbal communication is, the BIGGEST and more relevant part in seduction. Animals dont need to talk to have sex, your goal shoukd be this kind of relationship, attraction is non negociable, either it exist or it doesnt.
So, ask yourself, why do you her to know the truth? She doesnt need to know, as long as you act accordingly to the ideals of the red pill she wont need to think about it.
Lead and she will follow. Thats it, you will be happier for it. SHE will be happy for it aswell. So dont neglect yourselves.
>>72053150
That's a good point and believe me, I know it. I would never waste my time arguing with a girl over this stuff. Unfortunate truths like these just make them feel bad or enrage them.
Proof men have been declining in testosterone over the past 30-40 years. Men are becoming more feminized everyday.
>>72052914
Yeah I was quick to post, though this threads seems like a rare exception where there isn't blatant hate.
Also, it's was to skew what research shows. There are many circumstances and even it would be better to know if there is distinction between "cheating women" who cheat, what implies regular practise, opposed to women who cheat their first time. And then question whether cheating to get off, not out of "love", is as equally offensive given that men often see and lets women see the importance of their looks and sexual attributes
>>72053880
Source for this:
http://www.healio.com/endocrinology/hormone-therapy/news/print/endocrine-today/%7Bac23497d-f1ed-4278-bbd2-92bb1e552e3a%7D/generational-decline-in-testosterone-levels-observed
ALSO, VERYYYYYYYY IMPORTANT:
"Trend does not seem to be attributable to health and lifestyle changes."
HUH. I wonder what the fuck could be happening then.
>>72053924
The study says what it says, I'd be happy if you could provide more studies.
Gotta go do some shit, would appreciate it if someone would keep thread bumped/participate in some discussion.
>>72053924
It's easy to skew*
And even then*
one more bump before I go
nothing to contribute but here's a bump
So what if a girl has sex with only you before marriage, is she still doomed?
>>72053924
It's very important to be skeptic about data, regardless of what your position is benefited from it. But something we can't deny are the trends that appear in these studies, which largely confirm some of the most relevant popular beliefs related to relationships, sex and marriage, because this were based on anecdotal experience and years of tradition.
Now, this SHOULD NOT be used to qualify women and belittle them, because both genders have their own shortcomings, accepting them for the sake of our partners and our society is what we should be doing (for example this is why I believe extreme feminism and mgtow only end up hurting people because it divides us.
>>72054953
No. But chances are she had premarital sex with someone else if she's willing to have it with you. Not christfagging btw
>>72055116
where's your leaf?
>>72055306
I trust her.
>>72054034
Easy
>Testosterone is no longer relevant aspect of reproduction, thanks to social stability.
>Increase in population leads to increase on the average testosterone measure, so it will naturally go down, in five years we will see what is the limit in that graph.
>>72055504
Go pump her full of babybatter, toothpastebro
>>72055504
It depends on the lifestyle i believe, this is what the trend shows: promiscuos women tend to remain that way, even after marriage. On the other hand, just having sex with her before or after marriage wont be the determining factor honestly. This is the determining factor, whether you just want to use her for premarital sex and leave her later on, that would hurt her and lead her to unsuccesful relationships in the future.
I would only have sex with her if I believe it could be serious and we are both thinking in commitment.
Treat a woman like a sociopath/psychopath.
>narcissistic
>impulsive
>manipulative
>lacking empathy
>violent for no real reason.
>"unhinged"
Why has no one made this connection yet...
>>72058172
>>72058172
You sound really PUArturbed, have you ever had a girlfriend?
>>72058172
You mean we should treat them like psychos.
Or our bad behaviour as males turns them into this.
On another note. Does anyone feel guilty. I was raised a Christian and I think Christian morality is a great foundation for society.
But me being the typical oh-I'm so much mightier. Don't believe in it literally and have been shagging girls; not loads but I plan to keep going.
Are we as men to blame for this. It's massively hypocritical I'm going to screw some women up and then marry younger/purer.
Let's not put all the blame on the left/lib media/ der Juden.
>>72050613
Are there any similar studies regarding the man being a virgin?
>>72060284
I feel some guilt yeah, not as a personal guilt but more like a burden or responsability wise. Knowing what we know I couldn't imagine just not giving a shit. I always wanted to have a family, when I first swallowed the red pill I was like fuck them I can be by myself, but thinking about it more, I still want to raisr children, no matter how difficult it might seem.
>>72061648
no actually, this isn't robot tier at all.
>uni entering finals week
>gf comes up to me
>"babe can you help me with my stats hw"
>ok, but only if you do my laundry
>done
you gotta find the good ones anon
bumped gonna read this all in a sec
>>72061648
talking about women backed up by facts is r9k? no. btw, I dont even go on that board. it's shit tier.
>>72061876
she sounds like a dream come true anon.
>>72055895
There's absolutely nothing that would show that there's correlation between stable populations and testosterone. Testosterone is always involved in reproduction. Testosterone is what tells men to take risks in sexual reproduction. Without it, people wouldn't hook up nearly as much (see the rate that lesbians have sex. yup.).
>>72060284
I was raised christian but by a single mom. she completely warped me into worshipping males as a beta male cuck and cited christianity to support it, yet I never learned the red pill aspects of Christianity (which are in there) that my dad was supposed to teach me.
>>72063757
into worshiping females*
>>72063757
This is why having both a mother and father is crucial to upbringing a successful (in every sense) child
>>72055116
mgtow is a symptom of feminism which is a symptom of the state and education. Get rid of the Jews and we won't lose. That, or make murder legal so that men have to be men and women have to be women again.
>>72063422
>checked
she was a virgin too
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Very important women fact:
2D > 3D
>>72064291
it's so fucking important. another reason why the west is falling apart. boys are being raised without a masculine presence. that is so destructive it's not even funny.
>>72064759
you got lucky, just dont let it get screwed up man.
>>72063757
Well christianity preaches that our sexuality should be linked only to reproduction, not pleasure. Which means that we should not seek sex just for the sake of it, accept it as the core of the creation of new life (so abortion is a no go) and not alienate the natural interactions between genders. This doesn't mean that christians deny that sex is inherently pleasurable, but that pleasure is not the objective of sex, reproduction is, and if you respect human life you wouldnt go about raising the chances of having a non wanted child and encouraging risky behaviour.
>life is sacred
>sex just for sex throws out the relevance of the creation of human life and also encourages the pursuit of pleasure which can corrupt.
That's why contraception is not really accepted either, because it corrupts the values we should develop as christians
Women shouldn't be allowed to vote. As where men vote for their families, women vote for their vaginas.
>>72065512
really goes to show that christianity is a substance the empires can be built upon. then again, there's a lot of debate about christianity being the reason for the downfall of rome, but I'm not educated on that matter.
>>72046387
bump for mgtow
>>72065570
there's actually some truth to this. that's why land owners were originally the only ones that were allowed to vote. they had the most invested in their land so naturally they'd vote for the best interest of their country, lest their livelihoods get fucked over. same thing could be said about a man and his family or his culture. women profit nothing from any of this, because in the event of war they're typically spared or used to breed.
>>72065756
>mgtow
What is the MGTOW opinion on the obvious negative social effects of this concept being adopted by large numbers of men?
It would surely be the downfall. Is that the price you're willing to pay, is the movement meant to remain niche, or is there a supposed mechanic to avoid societal collapse?
>>72046387
Appreciate the fact-based approach. Very nice, OP. Unfortunately I don't have much to add. Maybe the difference in male and female suicide rates? Successful suicides, not attempts.
>>72066244
Good idea. Also, declining education rates.
I'm more approaching this from a red pill theory stand point, such as proof of hypergamy, alpha fux/beta bux, and so on. Not sure if I should add the stuff that is more "MRA" even if it sort of ties back to the feminized society that spawned the red pill in the first place.
>>72046387
The ratio of the average number of sex partners for men and women is exactly equal to the ratio of men to women in the population. This is mathematically provable.
>>72065696
In my opinion it was only natural that rome had to fall. Think about it, if a party grows to large it's harder to control. This were the main reason in rome:
1. Bad emperors
2. increasing civilization of the people of the empire (which means weaker soldiers)
3. Roman disunity, endless infighting
4. economic decline
5. plagues
6. mass migration
All of this problems come from the fact that everyone wanted to be part of rome, it was so attractive that people could not stop going there. This is happening right now in europe too. It wont be a civilization collapse, but the natural progresion of societies that after their peak, they go down.
Makes me wonder about how bad the the new world order will fuck up human societies once it goes down. We truly are a parasite species.
>>72066574
Care to provide more info? Not entirely sure what you're even saying here.
>>72066712
He means that monogamy is almost always the norm when men and women population are equal, secondly that when there are not enough men, they have multiple partners to balance out.
Makes sense, because after a war for example, there are less men, but they can impregnate multiple women so that society starts growing again
>>72067279
Yeah that makes sense. I'll try to find the sources for that here soon.
