Nothing less than HARVARD confirmed that eating meat is what allowed humans to increase brain capacity and rise above wild apes:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v531/n7595/full/nature16990.html
Feel free to ignore any and all vegefags threads from now on, and rest easy knowing that science is on your side.
Carbohydrates are basically toxic to your brain, (excitotoxins) When you consume them they cause insulin release and inflamation and this leads to things like degeneration of the brain and apoptosis, cancer. Carbohydrate is good for short term intense power/physical output, but the human body is tuned to run on fat.
eating meat could decrease my brain capacity and I wouldn't stop that shit is delicious
>>72046095
>hypothesized
That's some good science darn OP
>>72046951
>Hypothesized
>Tests confirm the hypothesis
>Not science
Can we hear your better interpretation then?
>>72046753
Oxygen is toxic too.
>>72046095
>/pol/ mastrubates to a lone study that agrees with its views
meanwhile
>95% of scientists agree global warming is a thing
>it's just a kike conspiracy
I mean really. Fuck vegetarians but fuck you too
>>72049070
>95% of scientists agree global warming is a thing
>>72049070
>/pol/ is one person!
>>72047565
its clear that burgerfriend didnt eat enough meat to get his smarts
>>72049338
>>/pol/ is one person!
nice argument there
if we never address the loudest voice on /pol/ noone is willing to change.
It wasn't solely eating meat; the cooking of food helped, massively, as well.
>>72049290
He's wrong it's actually 97%
>http://theconsensusproject.com/#sharePage
fried chicken or bust
>>72049743
>I will act as if the same people post in every thread so my fallacy doesn't fall apart
Nice argument.
>>72046095
VEGETABLES BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
>>72046095
This isn't new faggot. People have known about the relationship between protein and brain development for decades now.
Get with it or GTFO normalfag.
>>72046095
When I eat a BBQ sandwich (which is cut up pig with vinegar and spices in it, welcome to Carolina faggots).............I feel like I'm going to cum in my pants.
I can't fathom that someone wouldn't eat it........with slaw..................hot sauce...................mmmm.............bout ta jizz.
I'm pretty sure it's because meat has higher protein density than other sources of protein that were available to a paleolithic caveman, and not specifically because meat has some magical element within it that simply makes you smarter.
>>72050006
Of scientists researching climate change agree because it keeps them employed
>>72050225
The only thing that I would love more than a BBQ sandy with slaw is Airforce 1 crashing into the Kaaba with Obama in it.
>>72046095
I thought this was common knowledge?
>>72050569
>>72050224
It was hypothesized, but now it's confirmed.
Nothing in that article suggests that its helpful to eat meat in 2016 - the risks of eating meat and dairy didnt outweight their benefits back in the day, but if you're planning to be healthy at age 40 you have to go vegan.
>>72050403
There seriously aren't climate change deniers on /pol/ right?
That's insane there's so much information out there, all peer reviewed, all public, that you can look at to see the facts.
The Idea that there is a global conspiracy that is faking C02 emissions, temperature readings, water line information, atmosphere physics, and just the general working of physics themselves is insane.
Hundreds of thousands of people are collaborating to fool people into thinking that human influence isn't affecting the climate?
Really?
>>72050976
>Hundreds of thousands of people are collaborating to fool people into thinking that human influence isn't affecting the climate?
No, just a few, and retards like you do the leg work for them.
>>72051125
So I'm the one faking all their data? what?
>>72050889
Enjoy your cancer
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/03/29/long-term-vegetarian-diet-changes-human-dna-raising-risk-of-canc/
>>72050976
The fact they had to change it to climate change instead of global warming tells you allot
Because they can keep demanding money for studies when it doesnt warm up
>>72050006
>muh ninety seven %!
Thoroughly debunked. Now stop posting bullshit.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303480304579578462813553136
>>72050976
>you aren't a denier, are you anon?
Nope. I refuse to deny the overwhelming evidence that the AGW models have grossly overstated climate sensitivity.
Pic related.
>>72051442
The idea to change it to climate change instead of global warming is because there are short term effects of global warming that are not always just an increase in temperature (as global warming implies).
Tidal levels can rise without their being an increase in the local temperature.
It was changed to climate change for retards reall
>>72050889
Look like you forget about balanced diet. All meat is not good for you. All vegan is not good for you. Humans are fucking omnivore not carnivore nor herbivore.
>>72050976
There were retards who argued that lead isn't toxic to humans during the last century, because paid shills of the industries who profited from lead spread such lies. It took decades to dis-spell those notions and actually get lead emissions regulated.
It is the same thing here basically. Global corporations and industries, who would face economic burdens from the efforts to curb climate change, fund dissinfo agents to further their own agenda, and make the matter into a debate.
It is nothing new.
>>72051270
Good thing im not stupid enough to consume any fucking oils.
"However other research suggests vegetarianism lowers the risk of diabetes, stroke and obesity." kek'd
>>72050976
It's just computer simulations. They don't have enough information to input into them either. Might as well play age of empires and say Niggers were kings.
>>72051492
Pastebin that shit. Wants me to sign up.
>>72046095
>this makes it ok
>>72050976
>The Idea that there is a global conspiracy that is faking C02 emissions, temperature readings, water line information, atmosphere physics, and just the general working of physics themselves is insane.
Dude! They are totally massaging the data to fit the models.
Don't believe the fear porn!
>>72051787
Good thing I'm not stupid enough to overdose in sugars :^)
>>72050976
copypasta I made and keep posting in these threads because you dumb faggots can never come up with answers that aren't "just google it m8 like a lot of scientists agree but never published their methodology or anything, they just agree so appeal to authority":
Prove it is:
A: happening (I don't doubt it).
B: can be directly linked to human actions like burning fossil fuels
C: post specifics, how the parts the humans are doing is actually significant. Like what percent is our fault.
D: post specifics, about just how fast "climate is changing" since "global warming" is no longer the meme term. I want real statistics like "we are getting X warmer every year and I will have to worry about it in Y years becuase Z happened and is devastating"
E: post specifics, about just why I should give two fucks if hipster faggots have to move their shitty cities 2 miles inland while I pay for retarded infrastructure that would probably cost more
F: if all of that is all real and shit, why I would care if it's as tragic as the lefty faggots think, when they're all just destroying our countries and children's futures with mass immigration of mudslimes and taconiggers and increased socialism to support these subhumans
G: Explain how wind turbines that are complete and utter shit, cost more fossil fuels to build and transport and assemble and shit than they save over their liftime and only work in wind, but not too much wind so you have to use tradition power sources anyway, how solar isn't complete shit that get ruined by dust, only works during the day, without clouds or fog or any retard with an umbrella is within 20 miles
H: Explain why we should be pouring billions of my taxpayer money into this when it is proven the private sector is many times more efficient than any government grant program or research fund. If a company makes and patents the next big innovation in energy, they will quite literally become one of the biggest companies in existence
>>72051492
Archive it. Fucking news and their subscriptions.
>>72050006
>science operates by consensus, not scientific method
>97% agree because they're reached an objective conclusion, not because they're chasing government grant money and avoiding a blacklist
wew
>>72046095
Lol, everybody knows this. The issue is that with modern technology animal protein is not needed when you have food readily available.
wow that is sad..
>>72049070
People understand global warming is real.
At the same time, you would have to be a fool
to believe that humans are the reason why the Earth is changing when it constantly changes with or without us.
Stop thinking you're at the center of the universe as a human.
>>72052025
>Pic
Of course, it is vegan. I swear most vegans are braindead. Their opinion was formed by one article that agreed with vegans' initial opinion.
>>72051976
I have no reason to spend time and get all that information for you, had you actually been interested in any of that you could of easily found it, so I highly doubt me posting the information and links on an anime image board is going to change your opinion.
I have never met stupider people in a /pol/ thread. For sanity sake I'm going to assume you're all trolling as no educated person could possibly hold a belief proven wrong so many times. Might as well believe the earth is flat, or that it's turtle the whole way down, or any other belief that has equal evidence
>>72052101
What's important is that it defeats the
>Lole hooman are vegetarian by nature xD feel the Bern! XDDD
""""argument""""
>>72052219
I bet you're vegan
>>72051776
Lead has been a known toxic compound since Roman times you idiot. What they were unsure about was its effect on the environment when used as a gasoline additive. Following the realization of just how bad I was, given mountains of objective data unlike what is given with 'climate change', it was phased out. The two situations are not comparable.
>>72046095
stupid mexican faggot, no amount of double bacon greaseburgers could even possibly elevate your intelligence beyond that of fetal alcohol level
fuck meat eaters you're all dumbass degenerates who can't control base impulses
>>72046095
Because I really care what some rich trust fund mankids jumping through yet another hoop in their paid off research lives contribute to politically fueled pseudoscience.
>>72052392
Calm down Mohammed
Don't go full jihad on me
>>72052392
>>72052521
>>72052585
>>72052392
>he says while blurting out insults like a crybaby after being triggered because he can't get a grip on his feminine emotions
Meat will fix you, beta
>>72047669
100% of cancer patients were found to have drunk water before diagnosis.
After a week from stopping water intake no cancer was found by analysis.
>>72052128
damn I want a fish dinner. poor fishy :(
>>72052318
>>72052318
>Lead has been a known toxic compound since Roman times you idiot
And despite of that, not even 100 years ago, oil idustry shills were arguing that the lead levels in people at that time were "natural" and that lead wasn't toxic to humans or the nature.
And it took decades for those realizations to have any actual effect in policy changes, due to industry shills pushing against those changes the whole way, as they would have cut into their profits.
And climate change has plenty of evidence for it. Science indeed, doesn't work by consensus, it works with evidence, and testable theories. If the so climate change deniers could indeed give more plausible and better supported theories for why the climate is changing, they would gain fame and their theories would become the accepted ones, over the carbon emission stuff.
>>72052486
yeah as expected you're a full blown retard. maybe you need any and all protein readily available in whatever 3rd world shithole you come from, but i have the freedom to choose
enjoy your heart disease you fucking pleb
Ricardo please go back to your 3D printing.
>>72052254
Does any vegan even believe humans are vegetarian by nature?
Everybody knows humans are omnivores. But omnivores don't need to eat meat. They can, and benefit from it, but doesn't need to.
>>72052716
Take deep breath.
Please don't blow up.
>>72052392
>fuck meat eaters you're all dumbass degenerates who can't control base impulses
If that were true, you and most of the rest of the vegans would be dead by now. You're that fucking annoying.
Veganism is not about proving our ancestors were herbivores and therefore we should be too. It is about saying we do not need to eat them any longer and doing so is therefore unethical since it entails suffering and exploitation.
The article doesn't cause any problems for that, vegans are not turning their brains to mush, other wise it would be plain to see. Studies actually show we have a higher IQ than average and lots of the worlds smartest people are vegetarian/vegan.
>>72049290
this number was achieved by responses to a graduate students questionnaire sent to thousands of scientists. the sheet had 3 questions on it and about 20 people responded. so yeah 99 percent of scientists agree.....that they need more tax money forever
>>72052716
I know haram things trigger you, but please don't blow yourself out Mohammad.
Do it for Aisha.
>>72051270
>Previous studies have shown that vegetarianism and veganism can lead to problems with fertility by lowering sperm counts.
This is a problem that will solve it's self
Hedonistic pleasures like a hamburger don't contribute to intelligence. It just reinforces wanting to eat more hamburgers - thus making you a fatass
>>72046095
i can't come to terms with being so hurt by my pets dying and still eating meat... what to do what to do...
>>72052944
I'm not a muslim
>>72053105
Fuck your pets, eat a steak, you nigger
>>72053165
>I'm not a muslim
>>72053079
Higher protein and fat in nutrition did contribute to the increasing brain volume of prehistoric man, which is what this thread is about.
A human being clearly doesn't need to eat a hamburger to survive though, so yes you're clearly right about that.
>>72053165
You don't need to use taqqiya on me m8.
>>72046951
> Doesn't understand what peer-review is.
> Sports the most meat-eaty flag on the board.
What the fuck, man? I guess you would be an outlier on this study.
>>72052254
CVDs are the number one fucking killer in all western countries - wonder why?
Educate yourself and read/listen to Neal Barnard and Caldwell Esselstyn.
>>72046095
okay, so we evolved. that doesn't mean we have to eat 5 pounds of meat with every meal.
if you're obsessed with protein, why not stick with eggs and cheese? why not only eat meat with one meal a day?
I can't believe people are still arguing from nature as if it means anything,
The point is not "we were meant to do this" or "we got here by doing this". What matters is that we now have the foresight to evaluate our actions, and stop eating meat. If your carnal urges are stronger than basic rational thinking or ethics, then you're an idiot.
>>72052642
i hope this is a joke.
>>72052862
>It is about saying we do not need to eat them any longer and doing so is therefore unethical since it entails suffering and exploitation.
Not everyone can live comfortably on a vegan diet.
I'd also argue that the notion that every species is capable of suffering to the same degree as humans is untrue. Shellfish, insects, and possibly fish don't have the capacity for pain and by extension suffering.
>>72052862
>lots of the worlds smartest people are vegan
How many lots exactly, Prescott?
>>72052661
poor delicious tasty fishy. with tarter sauce and crab cakes.
>>72053312
shouldn't you be harvesting coffee or smuggling cocaine or some shit
>>72053468
Are you that dense?
>>72053534
ok, so eat pescetarian, or vegetarian, or insects? you don;t have to go vegan man you can just cut down a lot on meat consumption
>>72053534
From what I've read, all of those species are capable of basic nociception and respond predictably to pain stimuli.
>>72050430
Not actually that good looking to me desu. I prefer just a nice burger, with a bunch of spicy barbecue sauce and mustard, and maybe some Kraft cheese slices, in between nice smoked buns.
>>72053394
There's a specific type of protein our bodies need that is only found in meat.
>>72052585
>What have I Don?
>>72052676
>And climate change has plenty of evidence for it.
Nowhere near enough to make a convincing case that humans and fossil fuels are exclusively at fault for it. Like I said, the situation with climate change isn't comparable with the one about lead. If a scientist could show me exactly by how much th earth will heat up per unit of CO2 then I would believe them. Right now, it's all conjecture. And bad conjecture as that. Why else do you think they changed the term to 'climate change?' Accurate science must be predictable, otherwise it's crap.
>>72053669
>fuck meat eaters you're all dumbass degenerates who can't control base impulses
>you don;t have to go vegan man you can just cut down a lot on meat consumption
Holy fuck, that backpedalling.
>>72053743
>there's a specific type of protein our bodies need found only in meat
What protein is that anon?
wow le harvard XD
hella + upvote karma 2 u OP and all my atheist bros
>>72053743
Are you fucking homeschooled faggot?
>>72046753
>human body is tuned to run on fat
Wrong, it's tuned to run on protein. That's basic biology.
>>72053594
Nah right now I'm eating some pork and drinking a beer.
Oh sorry, that's haram for you.
>>72053743
for the sake of argument, i'll agree. but the body doesn't need anywhere near the amount that americans consume.
>>72053743
And what is this misterious, specific protein?
All amino acids humans need are also found in non meat sources, and b12 can be suplemented easily.
>>72053424
>stop eating meat
Why should I? Who are you to tell me what to do? I don't have the same idiotic moral universalist mindset that you do and your moral compass is not objectively better than anyone else's. Get over yourself.
i have a mate who's vegan, but it's only because of his issues with the factory farming industry. he's said he'd eat meat again if he knew for sure that the animal was well cared for.
>>72046095
How are that news?
Meat was also what allowed humans to populate most of the world.
>>72053990
Not that anon, but...
what do you have against homeschooling, krautbro
>>72053183
how about you stick your steaks up your ass and i feed you their decomposing stinking rotting corpses you mexican piece of heartless shit?
>>72053669
I'm just pointing out that advocating for veganism isn't possible for some people or necessary if your motivations are purely ethical.
>>72053740
Reacting to painful stimuli doesn't necessarily mean it's experiencing pain as we think of it in a human context. Plants will react to damage in a manner analogous to the pain response in animals but obviously plants can't suffer.
>>72054051
b12 can be acquired through eggs and cheese. so, yeah it's really easy to eat b12 without consuming 20 pounds of ground beef everyday.
>>72054100
>he's said he'd eat meat again if he knew for sure that the animal was well cared for.
What does "well cared for" mean in this context though? Because I know vegans too, and they say the fact that animals are killed simply for our pleasures is the problem to begin with.
>>72054202
I don't think you have as good of an understanding of neurobiology as you'd like to let on.
>>72054182
really, if we didn't eat all these animals. They probably would go extinct. No one wants to eat rhino and elephant.
>>72052862
>vegans are not turning their brains to mush
based on what I've seen yes
yes they do
>>72053424
"basic rational thinking" sure lets try
>> I'm hungry
>> I have money or time
>> I choose to obtain food in exchange for my time or money
>> I eat food
What's wrong with that? Seems pretty rational to me.
"ethics" subjective. what is ethical is different for everyone and everything. you need to prove how eating meat is not ethical. You can't prove that eating meat is immoral. Animals eat eachother. Humans are animals. Therefore, humans eat other animals. Trying to say it's inhumane is a complete joke, animals aren't moral and they don't kill their prey based on morality. holding ourselves to a higher standard is a ridiculous thought when a fox will thrash a henhouse, a wolf pack will slowly drag an elk to the ground and tear it apart, a pride of lions will chase down and disembowel any number of animals, etc.
"carnal urges"
So if you're hungry (carnal urge) you're an idiot? I guess we're all fucktards by default, even vegetarians. Why are moral false dilemmas more important than carnal urges?
Your argument is circular garbage and it is entirely unsupported. Why does evaluation result in no longer eating meat?
You're god damn retarded.
>>72046095
FUCKING TOP KEK!
There was a study saying that thanks to carbs we got a bigger brain, not meat. Otherwise Lions, wolves, and any other flesh eating animal must be Intelligent as fuck. Guess what those flesh eating animals are not eating? Yes, carbs.
We did explore, or got teached (Muh aliens) how to grow crops almost 150000 years ago.
Since that we grew a larger and larger brain.
My grandfather was a hippy, and never had eaten flesh, and died at 105.
He was active til 95.
He did eat eggs and sometimes cheese tho.
We had a farm, he just ate eggs, beans, wheat products, potatoes, cabbage and salad. Oh, he drowned a bottle of wine a day since he was 20 too.
Eating flesh is degenerate as fuck, because it makes us animals, that what /pol/ doesn't want to be, a fucking nigger animal.
Animals are the same as humans. This is a fact. Just because they can't think like we do, they are less worth?
Hitler would be ashamed, go and eat your estrogene infected chicken nuggets you fat burgers.
>>72054304
So you're going to tell me that insects and shellfish have the capacity to suffer?
>>72050976
>>There seriously aren't climate change deniers on /pol/ right?
I think climate science is largely BS, Big Science is very prone to having totally wrong ideas for 20-40 years. However the precautionary principle applies, and the notion that we should be using our dwindling fossil fuel reserves to drive around and shitpost on /pol/ instead of transitioning to renewable or advanced nuclear is beyond retarded. I don't really think climate science is a conspiracy, although I am very skeptical of claims of runaway climate change, because the water vapor-clouds system is the most powerful factor in controlling temperature. CO2 and methane both cause a warming effect, but I find it hard to believe that the water vapor - cloud system does not have strong negative feedback characteristics.
We're also fucking up the environment in a bunch of other ways, and I have to imagine the polluters of the world are pleased that the average normie is focused on muh CO2 so that the huge number of other ways we abuse our home become irrelevant.
I do think the conspiracy theorists are largely right though, that muh carbon emissions will be used to get more control over people. I'm pretty sure that if burgerland / syrupland / britbongistan / eurabia are still functional places in a decade there will be all sorts of new taxes and regulations designed to increase government control and corporate profits in the name of muh environment.
>>72054460
>he drowned a bottle of wine
Poor bottle
>>72053373
Krieg' dich ein, Junge.
Flippst hier aus mit deinem Veganerkreuzzug...
>>72054333
yeah my mate got a vegan gf then went vegan. He keeps trying to borrow money off me and moves every 6 months breaking his lease. His on work cover which is welfare for people with jobs. He turned into a retard in the space of 2 years because of pussy.
>>72054460
>There was a study saying that thanks to carbs we got a bigger brain, not meat.
>Doesn't post a source
>>72054460
>There was a study saying that thanks to carbs we got a bigger brain, not meat. Otherwise Lions, wolves, and any other flesh eating animal must be Intelligent as fuck. Guess what those flesh eating animals are not eating? Yes, carbs.
http://www.amazon.com/Little-Tyke-Gentle-Vegetarian-Lioness/dp/0835606058
>>72054460
It was actually a combination of a few things that gave us our bigger brain. Protein from meat was one. Control of fire was another. Once our ancestors learned how to control fire, food could be cooked. Cooked food is easier to chew and easier to digest. This meant that our bodies did not have to put as much energy towards growing large jaws and large digestive tracts. Not having to grow such large jaws and digestive tracts allowed the energy that would be used to grow those towards larger brain growth.
>>72054460
yeah my grandmother chain smoked and ate meat and drunk like a fish and lived to 99 so fucking what. My other grandmother was fit and ate well and died at 87.
>>72054671
well in this case I can't blame veganism
we are talking about pussy magic here
supreme tier pussy magic
>>72054548
I'm going to ask you to explain why you'd say they have the capacity to suffer given that you accept they can experience and interpret pain.
In your own words, please, not a link...
>>72054421
>Implying you don't have enough money or time to buy eggs as opposed to steak
>Implying that humans are on the same level of reasoning as animals
>implying you've ever hunted an animal in your whole life
carnal urges i refer to the need to eat meat or kill an animals
many basic ethical ideas are without "proof", however that's not to say they're not incredibly obvious to even the densest of dense motherfuckers aka you
>>72054460
>Eating flesh is degenerate as fuck, because it makes us animals, that what /pol/ doesn't want to be, a fucking nigger animal.
We are animals you mong. It is true that there are animal behavior wishing humans that should be suppressed for the sake of a stable and civilized society, but eating meat is not one of them. Unless you can somehow prove that meat eating degenerates society. Pro tip, you can't.
>Hitler would be ashamed
So what? He never outlawed eating meat. He was personally vegetarian, that's it. I think he'd be far more worried about your collective suicide. Not that it matters, the faggot lost anyway.
>>72054460
Disregard the fact that the most intelligent animals are all carnivores
Disregard the fact that not all species follow the same evolutive path or are subjected to the same evolutive pressures.
>If giraffes and elephants both eat leaves, how come they are different xD Checkmate atheists
Curiously here in CR there is one of the five Blue Zones of the world, where people normally live past 100 years.
Want to know what's the main economic acivity of that zone?
Cattle farming
>mfw
>>72054460
The other side of the cooking meme is that wild tubers are fibrous as fuck, which until grains were cultivated were the main source of carbohydrates, and cooking made them much easier to eat and more digestible and nutritious. You know how a sweet potato is kind of fibrous compared to a normal potato? It would be like that but much, much worse.
However before agriculture eating animals would have been the only way humans could have survived in most parts of the world.
>>72054897
nah he went on work cover because he is weak as now. When I saw him over summer at the beach he was so fucking skinny. I blame that on being a vegan. Getting into it is pussy magic. Weird thing is she is overweight as a diabetic type 1 so maybe she is a succubus
>>72054921
>many basic ethical ideas are without "proof",
Like what? Ethics and morality are subjective, therefore foregoing meat as a moral decision might work for you but not for someone else. Unless you can prove that nesting meat is objectively immoral, impossible to do by the way, then you are not justified in forbidding its consumption on anyone other than yourself.
>>72055151
>Disregard the fact that the most intelligent animals are all carnivores
Cannibals rank rather low in the iq test, mostly from ssa africa/ pacific islands.
>>72046095
yawn
>>72054460
>Eating flesh is degenerate as fuck, because it makes us animals, that what /pol/ doesn't want to be, a fucking nigger animal.
>Animals are the same as humans.
I think that lack of meat is making you stupid.
>>72055216
>vegeterian
>overweight
SAVE YOUR FRIEND MOTHERFUCKER
HE IS DEALING WITH A COCK VAMPIRE
SHE IS SUCKING HIM DRY LIKE A JUICE BOX WHILE HAVING HIM ENSNARED BY THE PUSSY WITCHCRAFT
>>72054912
Well if we're being technical pain is a state that requires consciousness. Simple reflexive response to injury or conditions that could injure is nociception. So by definition they can't experience pain without a consciousness. What exactly is required to have a consciousness is in debate but simple nervous systems like in shellfish or insects almost certainly can not form a consciousness.
An analogous examples would be this robot. It's programmed to react to "injury" but obviously it's not experiencing pain in the sense we think of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gOWCVfnN-E
>>72050976
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkdbSxyXftc
Can we stop with this 93% or 97% bullshit already? You look like an idiot when you parrot an idea that contains a false premise from the start.
>>72055704
I think I'm gonna cook myself one of these bad boys to celebrate vegefaggot's crushing defeat.
>>72047669
Right but we don't really have an alternative like we do with carbohydrates. It would eliminate some oxidative stress but aerobic respiration is too important for eukaryotes
>>72046095
>meat is more calorie dense
>therefore early humans meeded to chew less and have smaller guts
It literally has no relation to mental development though.
>>72055860
Absolutely Delicious. The guy making it looks like a qt, too. :^)
Meatsweatfags unequivocally btfo
>>72056071
>>meat is more calorie dense
I'm pretty sure sunflower/peanuts are the densest.
>>72054182
You asked and he answered, Mr. Barbosa
>>72056259
I just meant in general, but I didn't know that. Thanks anon.
>>72056192
This is one of the stupidest images I have ever seen. Extremely disingenuous.
>>72056259
Protein and carbohydrates contain 4 calories per gram and fats contain 9 calories per gram.
>>72049070
95% of scientists believe in global warming, only 50% believe it's caused by humans.
>>72049070
Lol I got banned from reddit because I denied global warming. Protip: it doesn't exist.
This isn't actually news to anyone who knows anything really. Although i'm not sure it says that ingesting meat makes you smarter, i'm pretty sure about they're talking about how are "chewing" muscles grew smaller to make way for the BIGGER BRAIN.
I'm not even that well versed in the subject but I remember a 20 second snippet from a documentary about this whole thing
>Early man discover fire
>Use fire to cook meat
>Meat easier to chew
>Chewing muscles decrease in size over time which leaves more headspace for the brain to grow
OP took this article out of context pretty bad though.
>>72050225
>eating the slaw jew
Fucking degenerates the lot of you.
>>72046753
The brain needs sugar. Without it, it will cease to function.
HOWEVER, if the brain gets TOO much sugar, it can literally burn itself out with the sugar's energy, which leads to problems like insulin resistance. I disagree with your statement that carbs are great for short term power/physical output as a good high protein diet keeps the body energized without the extra sugar metabolizing into fat.
As a /fit/ graduate, I can firmly tell you the three necessary macronutrients, which includes carbs, are absolutely needed every day. The problem is amount.
>>72046769
faggot
>>72046095
threadly reminder:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNgA06xE_Ng
the average vegan
>>72049999
Quads of bullshit.
Fire helped us cook food that was otherwise inedible.
>>72056588
The study isn't actually saying that exactly I just realized but you get the picture.
>>72046095
Article has literally nothing to do with intelligence in relation to diet.
Its junk science thats all about guessing how much people chewed their food half a million years ago.
>>72056621
Are slaws white, /pol/?
http://www.nature.com/ncomms/2016/160419/ncomms11382/fig_tab/ncomms11382_F2.html
>have fun eating meat while you starve the planet of oxygen, faggots
>>72050326
Meat (fat) has a higher energy density than plants and carbohydrates. Thus, cavemen extended their diet and could survive on less food.
Capcha: bison
>>72056827
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzJmndZZCao
>>72052219
>make claim
>can't back it up
Into the trash it goes.
>>72056709
You can literally eat a zero carb diet and be fine.
But I would not try that shit unless I was very accustomed to a low carb diet. Besides it would make food even more booring.
Go LCHF and eat below 20 grams/day.
>>72057059
You're an idiot
>>72056546
>>72055342
Because these cannibals forgot you don't get smarter by eating someone else's brain.
>>72055860
You don't need that mat to make those things. You can but your sausage/ground beef into a 1 gallon freezer bag, spread it evenly, then cut one side of the freezer bag away. Go over to smokingmeatforum.com and they call them fatties. They're awesome out of a bbq pit.
>>72056827
>4.4kg of lettuce
Jesus fucking Christ.
>>72053993
>first year anatomy major detected
Call us back when you get through graduate school chum.
Not reading your pathetic replies either.
isn't Harvard basically a giant liberal safe space these days?
still, fuck vegans
>>72056192
Except the physiological food is wrong for the frugivore and human, considering they both can consume meat.
>>72057659
>isn't Harvard basically a giant liberal safe space these days?
yes
Harvard is also notorious for grade inflation
>>72057382
You're fucking stupid. That's what I said. Did you get your education in Somalia, Jamal?
>>72057059
>Meat (fat) has a higher energy density than plants and carbohydrates.
Doesn't, stuff like pine nuts or sunflower seed average at 600 cals per 100 grams with 20%-14% protein content. That's three times the calories of cooked meat which give you 0 carbs and 0 fiber.
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/beef-products/6197/2
Muh density is literally the most stupid argument ever that meat eaters came up with, fucking coconut milk has as much as many calories as cooked beef.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coconut_milk
>>72057371
You can. I don't much like carbs and I try to stay away from carbs, but most foods tend to have carbs anyway. I'm slowly starting to cook my own shit so I can omit carbs, eat lean chicken and occasionally splurge on a well-marbled strip steak.
>>72046095
>HARVARD
>what allowed humans to increase brain capacity and rise above wild apes (Evolution bullshit)
Harvard confirmed shit tier.
>>72053373
>humans have been eating meat for centuries with no heart attacks
>suddenly introduce processed carbohydrates and trans fat into diets
>sudden spike in deaths from heart attacks
>must be the meat
shut the fuck up
>>72058049
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/10/pine-nut-trivia-facts_n_4921114.html
10 People have been eating pine nuts since the Paleolithic period.
Roman soldiers took them as campaign food when they raided Britain over 2000 years ago. And Greek authors mentioned pine nut trees as food producers as early as 300 BC.
>>72058049
That's cool. Coconut milk isn't a macronutrient. Look up what it contains.
Fat, right?
So, blow me.
http://heuserhealth.com/three-macronutrients-energy-density/
Correct me if I'm wrong, but fat > carbs in energy density. That's why doctors tell patients to limit fat.
Back up a second m8. Are there people unironically being vegan in this thread? What types of vitamins do you have to take to make up for the lack of meat in your diet? Even if you didn't take vitamins you would still be infinitely more mindful of what you eat if you were to actually stay healthy.
>BUT IM A VEGAN AND I DONT PAY ATTENTION TO MY VITAMIN INTAKE
Well you're not healthy then you cunt.
>>72050889
>have to go vegan.
Lol? But the longest lived populations are not vegan.
>>72058132
Cooking your own food solves almost every problem in one step. Save money, eliminate toxic preservatives, control your diet, learn a valuable skill and spend time doing something other than vidya.
>>72058497
fat actually satisfies hunger cravings though meaning feel less hungry than if you ate carbs intead of fat even with the same amount of calories
>>72046095
>Implying we can't synthesize those proteins now
At this point there's no avoiding it. Livestock for purposes of slaughter is too Time consuming and expensive. Eventually everyone is just going to be eating bugs
>>72050889
Nah, if you argued that we should replace some of our meat with fish, I could agree with you. But since you are arguing to get rid of meat, I will aptly disagree.
>>72046951
>hypothesized
>That's some good science darn OP
Isn't that the majority of science?
>>72058049
The only argument vegans have that has any worth is the moral argunent and that has already been debunked ITT. Eating meat in moderation, like with everything else, is not bad for you. Go shill somewhere else.
>>72052862
>it entails suffering and exploitation.
Who gives a shit? I would exterminate so many third worlders with a push of a button if I could. Do you think I care about feelings or animals which are in plenty?
>>72046095
science is always on your side because you are all bunch o pussy eating sissies
>>72058793
>Well you're not healthy then you cunt
lol
I've known about this for awhile, it's fun telling vegetarians they're retarding themselves by not eating meat and watching them get all butthurt.
See, if they ate meat they wouldn't spaz out like the retards they are and actually look it up instead of letting their feelings dictate their diet.
>>72058957
Absolutely.
When I get to that point, I will begin to grow some of my food, such as peppers, herbs, etc. so I know where the food comes from. When I move out, I'm going to buy a nice tract of land and do some small scale farming.
>>72059006
Yep. Doctors still recommend that fat consumption is moderated because some people don't control themselves well, or they lump too much food together.
>>72060037
Literally everything in meat has an artificial vegetarian supplement these days. I don't see why you meat eaters are intent on pushing that fallacious argument.
>>72046951
Speciation, or better known as Macro-evolution, is a hypothesis. It's based off of theories such as micro-evolution where the idea sticks with cohesion. Although it has not been objectively proven (it can't be unless scientists observe that a derived population cannot reproduce with the original population), it is well-received by researchers because of the idea that continued mutation of a population segregated from the original suggests that such a change can occur.
>>72060531
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html
I'm a vegetarian but I'm also a spastic and I hate the taste of meat so
>>72056621
Nigger I will fight you over slaw and I will fight anyone who doesn't fix it with a good amount of sugar in it.
>>72058370
>humans have been eating meat for centuries with no heart attacks
[citation needed]
This has been known for a while. Nobody mentioned this ITT, but eating marrow and organ meat is also part of this hypothesis.
>>72060393
If you need medication to remain healthy you have a disease.
>humans rose above apes
>implying God did not create us that way from the start
>>72060805
>>72060805
inuits
>>72052944
> do it for Aisha
See you later sides
>>72060790
Who the hell doesn't put sugar in the slaw? That's not a world I need to be a part of.
>>72060938
>muh benevolent sky-king
>>72060897
But they aren't even real medications. They are just extracts from plants. Multivitamins are a good idea even if you do eat meat.
>>72061001
kek, Inuits have the highest rate of heart attack and colon cancer of the world, you dumbfuck.
>>72061485
How is Berkley this time of year?
>>72046095
>Vegetarians still live 10 years longer
>>72061485
Real drugs are often high doses of compounds that exist in nature. You should be able to get more than enough vitamins and minerals from meats and green vegetables.
>>72057642
Respect
>>72061537
holy shit you are fucking stupid
guess when the rates of heart attacks and colon cancer increased?
as soon as processed carbs, mcdonalds and margarine were introduced
>>72061651
>thinking its because they deprive themselves of meat
>>72051492
>The Wall Street journal
What next? Fox News?
>>72057996
Meat =\= fat you jew bastard. peanut butter has more calories per gram than beef
>>72061651
Work smarter not longer
>>72061537
meat decreases risk of heart disease
http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/pcrm.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15164336 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20683785 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/80/5/1102.full http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19263395 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24217704 http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1846638 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19560285 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24727873 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17425596 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1402.full http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279082
fibre increases risk of colon cancer
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279082
>>72061651
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1196473/
Ketogenic >>>>> vegies all day for lifespan
>>72056827
>eats grass all day
>has a stove
bubuy Y
Going Vegan won't help with global warming, it's and issue that needs to be handled on government (or greater) level through laws and regulations that deny corporations from destroying the environment and abusing people just to please stakeholders or to support the unsustainable growth based economy.
http://www.exposingtruth.com/new-un-report-finds-almost-no-industry-profitable-if-environmental-costs-were-included/
Too bad that I don't think we are unified enough to fix this shit with corporations lobbying, lawsuits, secrecy and propaganda to prevent any change that might force them and their leaders to take some actual fucking responsibility for their actions. We will probably need a devastating economic collapse of the western world or a huge natural disaster to bring the world to it's knees so people can see further a head than their own noses.
>>72060656
>http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/05/2/l_052_05.html
Interesting read. I am still skeptical as there was no claim that they were observed changing, unless I missed something. It seemed to imply speculation.
>>72061991
No shit. Meat != fats. Meat is an excellent source of fat. Beanut butter is not a paleolithic food item that was available to cavemen. We're arguing that meat was energy dense. I should probably add that cavemen didn't have access to legumes.
I'm moving the goalposts, I know. But the original argument was that meat is what is correlated with brain growth.
While we can most certainly survive without sugar, it would be quite difficult to eliminate carbs entirely from your diet. Carbohydrates are the body's main source of energy. In the absence of carbohydrate, your body will use protein and fat for energy.
Cutting out carbohydrates and replacing those calories with fats and higher fat sources of protein could increase your intake of saturated fat, which can raise the amount of cholesterol in your blood – a risk factor for heart disease.
When you are low on glucose, the body breaks down stored fat to convert it into energy. This process causes a buildup of ketones in the blood, resulting in ketosis. Ketosis as a result of a low carbohydrate diet can be accompanied by headaches, weakness, nausea, dehydration, dizziness and irritability particularly in the short term.
>>72063852
>>72061991
+ look at peanut butter's ingredients:
50g of fat per 100g. Of fucking course it's going to have a lot of calories.
>>72063852
>Beanut butter
>>72063986
saturated fat either has no effect on heart attack risk or lowers it
http://www.ncahf.org/articles/o-r/pcrm.html http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15164336 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20683785 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/80/5/1102.full http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19263395 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24217704 http://annals.org/article.aspx?articleid=1846638 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19560285 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24727873 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17425596 http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1402.full http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19279082
> Ketosis as a result of a low carbohydrate diet can be accompanied by headaches, weakness, nausea, dehydration, dizziness and irritability particularly in the short term.
[citation needed]
>>72058132
Helpful tip for those doing low carb:
I used to make my own cauliflower rice but Trader Joe's now sells it fresh or frozen, which is a pretty nice convenience and with only three net carbs per serving, pretty filling while staying in your macros.
>>72060104
There a millions of doctors and most of them know very little about nutrition, having spent only one or two days on it during medical school, often back when everyone still believed the China Study. Fat is bad when mixed in with carbs because the carbs will keep your appetite going and of course the fat is highly concentrated energy. Don't fuck up the hunger killing benefits of fat by flooding your body with carbs at the same time.
>>72046753
No my friend, you are mistaken. Ketones are ok in the short term but eventually build up and cause AG metabolic acidosis which will kill you.
Please stop trying to confuse others.
>>72065090
thats wrong, its true of type 1 diabetics who can't control ketone production but no one outside of them suffer from ketoacidosis
>>72063986
>particularly in the short term.
So short term discomfort in exchange for better health. That's something we adults like to call 'impulse control'. You put off pleasure in the present in order to have more in the future.
>it would be quite difficult to eliminate carbs entirely from your diet
You don't need to go to zero carbs. Just down to a level that your body can comfortably burn off quickly with your daily activities. Many people are able to consumer fifty carbs over the course of a day (so not all in a ten minute donut eating period) and stay in ketosis. Most vegetables have some carbs but most people on a low carb diet freely eat them because the amount of carbs and other macro nutrients are so low.
>>72065090
Don't worry, many doctors make the same mistake of confusing ketosis with ketoacidosis.
>>72065282
Negative, ketone production happens with any kind of prolonged fasting, it is meant as a last ditch survival effort right after consumption of AAs
>>72065536
and low carb diets.
i know from personal experience.
>>72065536
no one is suggesting fasting as a diet, how are ketones a last ditch survival effort? people who eat low carb never suffer from ketoacidosis
>>72046095
Haha evolution isnt real, homo. I hate vegans though.
>>72065418
Look "adult" I'm not against lowering carb consumption of lowering meat consumption, there simply has to be a balance, carbs+animal protein etc etc, but people go either way, there is no in between with most vegans or "strict carnivor ppl"
5 years vegetarian now, haven't been sick once.
>>72065418
i guess you never experienced ketosis. its not fun. its short term because its due to lack of glucose. once you start in taking glucose you recover.
its easier at the end of the day to eat carbs. the problem is people freak out and go crazy and indulge in large quantities. to make matters worse people don't eat other things to slow down digestions to control blood sugar level like fiber, fats, protein, and such.
really the problem with the american diet is the over indulgence of everything.
>>72064585
Just eat fucking cauliflower like a normal person. It isn't rice, its cauliflower made into a rice shape.
>>72065834
this is a lie. i have myself. if your main source of glucose comes from carbs you can easily cause ketosis.
>>72065834
Sorry for the quality of pic, but you understand what it says
>>72046095
It's not new.
>>72059202
>Who gives a shit
Finfag delivering the truth
i can't give two dicks about animal abuse, cruelty or anything, i just like meat and for me to eat it it has to die first, so go figure. I mostly buy meat from my local butcher, where i am sure the animals were raised properly and the meat tastes amazing.
Also, i am not surprised about the correlation between meat consumption and brain capacity, as most vegetarians/vegans are totally fucking brainless. Like, not here, not present, not alert, maybe they are clever when their malnourished brains decide to start working, but most of the times you can identify a veggie just by that blank, hungry stare. As i say with my friends, do you know what does a vegan see when he opens his lunchbox? Sadness and sorrow.
>>72052862
If those people were smart they'd realise that morality is a spook.
>>72066145
oh no i understand that carbohydrate stored in the body lasts about a day before the body runs out of it my point is that people can eat a ketogenic diet without having to worry about ketoacidosis
>>72066774
they can but they really have to watch their diet.
children for example should avoid a ketogenic diet all together as it easily can cause slowed or stunted growth, bone fractures and kidney stones. the diet reduces levels of insulin-like growth factor 1
really its simply easier to just watch your diet and not consume food like a crazy animal.
>>72067549
name me a source for that that doesn't use epileptic children
>>72054149
It's harder to properly indoctrinate the homeschooled.
>>72046095
My daughter is vegan. She's 17 years old and she can make up her own mind. I just try to make sure that she gets nutritious food. So we have a garden with vegetables an apple tree and a pear tree. And a plumb tree. The climate is very cold here and we live up a mountain. It's very dry but always cold. All the rain gets dumped on the west side of the mountains, over Ireland and the west of England as the storms come from the Atlantic Ocean.
I just live on the east side. It fucking snowed today. That shouldn't happen in late April. So I am limited in what I can grow. Root vegetables like carrot, parsnip and turnip are easy.
Potatoes are easy too, if I can keep the bugs away.
We had fucking snow today. And high winds. Not much snow and it melted quickly when the sun came round. But it is always cold here. We eat a lot of vegetables in my household. Also eggs as I keep chickens, I don't use the chickens for meat. Only eggs. And the eggs are delicious. I sometimes get meat from the farmers' market every week, as I trust the farmers.And i go fishing for brown trout in pic. When I catch a trout, I kill it immediately by smashing its head on a rock. It's instant. I don't let any fish I catch suffocate by just putting it aside. That's a slow death. I always return smaller fish back to the river, and I never take a fish with eggs or ready to spawn. Sometimes I get salmon but only in late August to early October. They are very clever creatures. Hard to catch. They remember the layout of the river and are very strong. They always return to the same place every year to deliver their babies. Pic is the river where I fish. I look after the environment.
>>72051270
https://veggiemythsdebunked.wordpress.com/
>>72057949
If I saw that placemat, I'd turn around and leave.
>>72052862
>have a higher IQ than average and lots of the worlds smartest people are vegetarian/vegan.
^Proof?
>Only vegans I know are destitute-tier people studying shit or doing menial work
