There are three stages in climate change denial. Which one do you fall under?
>>71787144
The second one
>>71787144
>implying we know if CO2 emissions lag Temperature increases or if it's the other way around
but it's also good because more CO2 = more fauna
>>71787144
Where's the, "it's happening because it's always happened as a natural procces, but Humans are contributing slightly" option?
>>71787144
I'm the third one. I think all these faggot crybaby scientist like Bill Nye the Science Goy are the secular equivalent of the doomsday cults that come about every couple of years and claim the world will end soon.
It's happening but humans contribute fairly small to it. And even if humans were the major cause China and India are the primary polluters out there. So unless you deal with them you're just throwing pales of water on a house fire. It's not going to do that much.
>>71787262
But what about dat ocean acidification, senpai?
>>71787144
>the climate changes naturally
>humans also obviously have an effect
>we are not the sole cause
How do you deny absolute scientific consensus and hard evidence? Why do right wingers have to be science denyers?
>>71787144
>more co2
>trees get bigger
>less co2
jeez that was hard
>>71787144
>climate change denial
>leaf in flag
you greenfags have turned your environmentalist whining into some weird new religion, and treat anyone who dares contradict your eco-quran as an infidel who needs to be eliminated
fuck you leaf, fuck you
I hope trump builds a second wall
I hope weedman keeps importing terror and you get all blown up
I hope you never, ever get your goddamn free weed
where's the option for i live on a lake in northern ontario and i want year round boating but also its not us
>>71787144
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XsLNL-fff8
>>71787144
This one
>>71787479
>>71787144
>it's happening and it's us but it's inevitable so who gives a shit if we speed it up
Kids are little shits anyway
>>71787479
>How do you deny absolute scientific consensus and hard evidence?
Like this
>>71787499
Dur hur carbon dioxide is a pollutant right?
Lel @ brainwashed nigger tier science "nerds"
My GF swears up and down that you cannot deny climate change at all. Last month she wanted to join peace corps and help Africa. Im making progress with her but it is very slow.
>>71787571
OP BTFO for the thousandth fucking time
>>71787144
>It's happening and it's us and it's not good but 'taking climate action' would make everything worse
>>71787144
Several of my professors (real scientists, not popsci loving liberals) say that the data doesn't add up. It doesn't hurt to question what we're missing.
>>71787144
The last one by default. Climate change is amoral dumbass. Humans will rrap what they sow, or a apt like we always have
>>71787144
>he thinks anybody would care about 'climate science' if there wasn't hundreds of billions of shekels worth of wealth redistribution involved
>>71787571
>>71787590
>>71787681
Make her watch that documentary about the chinks trying to build roads in low IQ land.
Also, Trump knows they are scheming for more D&C and tax $
Second one. Nasa itself said that it's all going to get cool again by 2030. Its a cycle which earth goes for like ~190 years. Warmer and warmer and then super cold again.
>>71787681
Don't worry. You'll be cucked.
>>71787144
>second one
>the second one is not actually "denial" but actually scientific fact:
>Climate change would happen regardless if there were humans on earth
>>71787144
>all the white countries need to cripple their oil industries, it doesn't matter that the Chinese, Poos, and various niggers make 50 times more carbon than us
>>71787144
Also Google neolithic climatic optimum, or Older Peron. Since the end of the ice age the world has been warmer and oceans HIGHER by at least 2m due to ta l the massive about of water dumped into the oceans before the sea beds had time to compact. That's a reason Polynesia exists. Coral grew above present sea levels and was exposed as they receded. Now it's returning to be refurbished
>>71787841
Empire of Dust
Free on jewtube
>>71787144
Can't even make a proper meme.
4th> it's happening, it's us, it's bad, there's nothing we can do about it.
>>71787144
>Muh carbon tax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkdbSxyXftc
>>71788046
>Can't even make a proper meme.
Nice lack of "meme" you got there.
>4th> it's happening, it's us, it's bad, there's nothing we can do about it.
Sucks to suck. Kill yourself if your farts are "killing the planet".
Guess how much "greenhouse gas" termites create every year?
>>71787986
Fuck also this. All the "solutions" just cuck the developed world, with barely 1/7 the world population lives. We're just going to allow 6/7+ of humanity to go through the same thing then we might as well not worry about ourselves OR wet could prevent them and be kick ass imperialists again. But until someone comes out with and ACTIONALBLE alternative/solution what do you want us to do?
>>71787144
the second and third one
We are causing climate change, but it's fucking brilliant. Bring it on.
>Scientists say...
A statement of faith. We are automatically supposed to believe something is true because "Scientists say".
NICE HOCKEY STICK MODEL FAGGOTS!
70s
“The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s hundreds of millions of people will starve to death in spite of any crash programs embarked upon now. At this late date nothing can prevent a substantial increase in the world death rate,” he said. He predicted four billion deaths, including 65 million Americans."
I'm being told that despite the consensus of 97 percent of scientists... this did not actually happen.
"By the year 2000 the United Kingdom will be simply a small group of impoverished islands, inhabited by some 70 million hungry people … If I were a gambler, I would take even money that England will not exist in the year 2000."
>>71787479
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/climate-change-yale-project-montreal-study-1.3458142
http://www.steynstore.com/product133.html
http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/04/21/earth-day-paris-united-nations-weather-channel-editorials-debates/83349848/
http://humanevents.com/2007/10/03/the-money-and-connections-behind-al-gores-carbon-crusade/
OP, trying to have a productive conversation about climate or science in general on /pol/ is a lost cause. Some will just shitpost, which is all in good fun. But there are others on this board who still unironically defend creationism.
>>71787681
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>>71787144
I started out believing in it entirely.
Then I realized that it was a massive con by rich leftists who want to make money off of fear-mongering.
Now I believe that we have a very cursory understanding of climate and are making claims based on ignorance.
Well if man made climate change exists, answer how the volitile, drastic weather changes on other planets with no men, happen?
>>71788461
KEWL HOCKEY STICK MODEL QUEERS!
80s
June 30, 1989, Associated Press: U.N. OFFICIAL PREDICTS DISASTER, SAYS GREENHOUSE EFFECT COULD WIPE SOME NATIONS OFF MAP–entire nations could be wiped off the face of the earth by rising sea levels if global warming is not reversed by the year 2000. Coastal flooding and crop failures would create an exodus of ‘eco-refugees,’ threatening political chaos,” said Brown, director of the New York office of the U.N. Environment Program. He added that governments have a 10-year window of opportunity to solve the greenhouse effect.
Sept 19, 1989, St. Louis Post-Dispatch: “New York will probably be like Florida 15 years from now.”
>>71787144
>>71788403
Also this. Fuck Bangladesh and the Netherlands and Miami and wherever else. This kind of abrupt hardship is what will make the West wake up
>>71787144
>it's happening but it has always happened in history, humans aren't contributing to it or not even close to the extent leftists would have you believe
>>71788457
WE ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE SCIENCE WHEN IT CONFIRMS THINGS WE ALREADY WANT TO BELIEVE (like that one guy who said niggers are stupid) AND DENY IT WHEN IT SAYS THINGS WE DONT WANT TO BELIEVE (like human-caused climate change)
When will people learn how science works, /pol/?
I don't care if it's happening, if it was caused by us or if it's really bad; I just don't think that the government interference would help.
>>71787144
Climate change is a thing, it was always a thing, it will always be a thing. With or without human.
>>71788461
>>71788645
BADASS HOCKEY STICK MODEL POOP DICKS!
90s
February 1993, Thomas E. Lovejoy, Smithsonian Institution: “Most of the great environmental struggles will be either won or lost in the 1990s and by the next century it will be too late.”
November 7, 1997, (BBC commentator): “It appears that we have a very good case for suggesting that the El Niños are going to become more frequent, and they’re going to become more intense and in a few years, or a decade or so, we’ll go into a permanent El Nino. So instead of having cool water periods for a year or two, we’ll have El Niño upon El Niño, and that will become the norm. And you’ll have an El Niño, that instead of lasting 18 months, lasts 18 years.”
July 26, 1999 The Birmingham Post: “Scientists are warning that some of the Himalayan glaciers could vanish within ten years because of global warming. A build-up of greenhouse gases is blamed for the meltdown, which could lead to drought and flooding in the region affecting millions of people.”
October 15, 1990 Carl Sagan: “The planet could face an ‘ecological and agricultural catastrophe’ by the next decade if global warming trends continue.”
Sept 11, 1999, The Guardian: “A report last week claimed that within a decade, the disease (malaria) will be common again on the Spanish coast. The effects of global warming are coming home to roost in the developed world.”
>>71787479
desu you really shouldnt be in the discussion if you cannot read a graph/chart/interpret data. that doesnt mean they cannot just listen to people who can and dont believe. you pretend like people cant defer to others or learn their own.
>barely noticeable increases in temperature
>muh 0.72° C temp increase
entropy of oceans - truly the least of the problems
>increase co2
most is absorbed into ocean, algea loves this part, trees say yum (pic related). heavy localization creates massive smog that is a health problem. the west doesnt have this problem anymore, we shipped it east with our jobs and economy. smog is mostly a china "problem", when their economy evaporates maybe they will have earned enough to clean their air and water.
it really is just another leftist/communist tax ...
>>71787438
I like pickled fish.
>>71787499
>more co2
>cut down all the trees
>more co2
>>71788817
>WE ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE SCIENCE WHEN IT CONFIRMS THINGS WE ALREADY WANT TO BELIEVE (like that one guy who said niggers are stupid) AND DENY IT WHEN IT SAYS THINGS WE DONT WANT TO BELIEVE (like human-caused climate change)
Don't liberals do the exact same thing just the other way around though? Not really a valid rebuttal, sure, but it does kind of undercut your whole point, picking and choosing what science you believe isn't really a /pol/ thing, everybody does that pretty much.
>>71787681
She doesn't care about environment
She only wants attention and make people think she's some kind of sjw hero
More importantly she wants the big black dick that's yo small white ding can never compete
>>71788236
Green house gases aren't really that big of a deal. Pollution in the oceans is what will ultimately kill humans, or greatly reduce our population. Keep focusing on those green house gases though.
I give a fuck less. I'm no fucking hippy. I know we're going to fuck our world in the ass and I'm here to watch.
>>71788854
>>71788645
>>71788461
RAD HOCKEY STICK MODEL HOMOSEXUALS!
00s
March 20, 2000, from The Independent, According to Dr David Viner of the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit, snowfall in Britain would become “a very rare and exciting event” and “children just aren’t going to know what snow is.”
September 2006, Arnold Schwarzenegger signing California’s anti-emissions law, “We simply must do everything in our power to slow down global warming before it is too late…The science is clear. The global warming debate is over.”
“With the pace of global warming increasing, some climate change experts predict that the Scottish ski industry will cease to exist within 20 years.”
Guardian, 14 February 2004
“Although the magnitude of the trends shows large variation among different models, Miller et al. (2006) find that none of the 14 models exhibits a trend towards a lower NAM index and higher arctic SLP.”
IPCC 2007 4AR, (quoted by Georg Hoffmann)
“Based on the rising temperature, less snow will be expected regionally. While currently 1/3 of the precipitation in the Alps falls as snow, the snow-share of precipitation by the end of the century could end up being just one sixth.”
Germanwatch, Page 7, Feb 2007
>>71788927
The problem with the absorption of CO2 into the oceans is that it increases the acidity of the water.
We are already seeing the effects of this on shelled animals and coral. If those go, then either entire ocean ecosystems disappear or are severely damaged for millions of years.
Plus the ocean can only buffer the rise of CO2 for so long. Eventually it will reach a max and will return to filling up the atmosphere.
>>71788817
WE ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE SCIENCE WHEN IT'S ACTUALLY BACKED UP BY FACTS (like how niggers are stupid) AND QUESTION IT AND THE MOTIVES BEHIND WHEN IT'S JUST FEE-FEES (human caused climate change)
>>71788995
Replace trees with plants knucklefuck. Also young plants such as farms or hurr durr tree farms suck up more carbon then older ones.
>>71787681
there is no point, africa is now china's problem, they have done more in just a few years than the west has in a century. they have ulterior motives, but so did the west.
>>71788995
there are shit loads of trees though.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2014/04/02/the-big-list-of-failed-climate-predictions/
See yall in the inferno 2030 is around the corner we are all going to melt!!!!
>>71787144
Take your Climate Cult horseshit and shove straight up your degenerate ass...
>>71787144
read it, srs http://thingsnotfoundonwikipedia.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-holocene-transgression-and-global.html?m=1
>>71787436
>pail
For future reference
>>71789266
This dubs commands it
>>71787262
>more fauna
you mean flora,no?
>>71787436
U brainwashed bub. But thats ok.
>>71787144
It's happening, it's partly our fault it's a good thing Netherlands and the UK will sink America will turn into a dust bowl Canada will prosper
Here's the theory.
1. Global tax
2. Global Army
3. Make the wealthy producers pay for raising everyone standard of living then wonder why life is getting shittier after we removed them.
>>71787436
POO
>>71787144
climate change has happened in the past and is currently happening now
global warming is pure bullshit you fucking leaf if you believe the psudoscience then you really are an idiot
>>71787353
>the science goy
Kek
>>71789175
>problem
it's not so much a problem as a solution there buddy. entropy is your friend. a slight pH decrease is enough to make a fag leftist scientist claim the sky is falling... hey quickly lets demand that everybody change their lifestyle and become 3rd world by choice to appease my neurotic knee jerk overreaction.
even in your comment you start talking about "damage to last millions of years" and "ecosystems getting wiped out".... scare tactics only work with actual verified cause/effect. the earths oceans are healthy, just another attempt to make white people guilty of something the chinaman did.
>>71787499
CO2 concentrations have skyrockets in the last couple of hundred years. Trees haven't "gotten bigger" in that same time frame, now have they?
>>71789175
This is the only thing that actually concerns me but #1 I really don't know much but think the co2 levels were way higher in the paleozoic but think they still had coral and ammonites and 2# even so human civilization would collapse, co2 emissions would stop, along with industrial ag and forests and more importantly grasslands would regrow sequestering co2 and I'm sure in a few short hundred years all would be well
I don't deny climate change but I honestly don't give a fuck because I will not be alive when it really begins to fuck shit up for real.
>>71787479
Why are all the Canadians like this? A higher proportion of you are shilling than any other country. How cucked are you by your liberals?
>>71789125
>>71788854
>>71788645
>>71788645
Like I said in another thread, the man-made climate change advocates are like the boy who cried wolf.
>>71789573
the earths atmosphere is still mixed in the same ratio of gasses it was pre-industrial revolution. if you fear a "venus" scale greenhouse gas death for the earth you're a fool. that scale of desctruction is only possible from global volcanic activity.... which actually happened to earth in the great dying (according to the fossil record). life survived.
>>71788184
What the fuck?
I was enjoying this up until 3:40
Then he went full Tumblr
So if climate change is being caused by humans,how do we stop it?
Discuss.
>>71787499
ding ding ding
global biomass growth is taking off like a bat out of hell
>IPCC: uhh uhh well uhh we don't fully understand complex nature of the feedbacks
>bu but its definitely happening and our computer models are 100% accurate this time goy, you should do what obama says..
>remember, in nu-science you should never question anything and if an authority figure says something, its true forever, unless its wrong, then the next thing they say is for sure true
behold, the modern state of ""science"""
>>71789840
What in the fuck are you talking about? I was just refuting his claim that earth's plantlife would regulate the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere, since clearly it hasn't been so far.
>>71787436
>It's not going to do that much.
so do nothing? plus things are never going to get done with everyone screaming like spoiled children "NO, you do it first!".
>>71789596
The ocean life forms back in the Paleozoic were adapted and fit for those CO2 levels. Really, if this change in acidity was more gradual, it wouldn't even be a concern. What's worrying is the rate at which the change is happening. This is a change in pH that usually occurs over millions of years, but it's happening in a couple centuries. Crustaceans and the like are having a very tough time trying to cope with this change.
Now of course, this doesn't mean the sky is falling. Human civilization would probably still carry on like nothing happened if ocean life took a big hit. (But if bees go away, then that's a different, but unrelated, story)
>>71787144
The third one.
Necessity is the mother of invention. I'm not concerned about the supposed consequences of global warming. Humanity isn't in peril.
>>71790138
>implying putting America in even more debt for some useless effort to slow climate change is a good thing
>>71787144
where is "we don't know if it's happening because all the climate shits are lying, incidentally, all their prediction models were proved wrong, so why the fuck should we believe them on anything again?"
>>71790085
>global biomass growth is taking off like a bat out of hell
source please
>>71790316
or everyone could be a vegetarian. thats free and would cut co2 emissions in half
>>71790045
your premise has been rejected. "climate change" isnt a thing and humans arent causing it.
>>71787144
Option 4. It's habbening, we have a part in it but it's currently statistically impossible to prove humans are the direct cause.
>>71787144
The 4th, I don't give a fuck, we're gonna nuke ourselves to death anytime soon anyways
>>71787144
Climate change has always been occurring. The only reason it's such an issue, is so big companies who are in bed together can register a multitude of companies, while the population levies stipulations that only big companies can afford, thus securing a market for themselves.
Pollution in general is bad for the environment, but commercialize, developed societies are dependent upon feeling good when they ferry bitumen and aggregates across the country for their roadways so the can drive their cars to a mac store to get the new phone they absolutely need.
Maybe if politicians actually cared about the climate, you'd think they'd spend a month or so on a sail boat instead of a few hours on a jet.
So no, if they want to sell me on climate change, they should spend money on producing a 20 hour long video series outlying the mathematical certainties relating to the various fields including; meteorology, geology, thermodynamics, and astrophysics. This is because you will find other trends being correlated to the variation of earth's climate.
>>71787590
John Cook is such a douche nozzle.
>>71787144
It's happening and the rich are causing it on purpose. the 20 largest super freighters hauling cheep plastic chinese goods to america cause more greenhouse emissions than every single passenger vehicle on earth combined including military ones.
If you want to stop climate change buy north american goods that do not travel across the ocean on freighters that burn fucking bunker fuel which is basically oil tar.
>>71790702
>>71790282 http://www.natureworldnews.com/articles/2431/20130613/sea-urchins-adapting-increased-oceanic-acidification.htm
Not IF it gets bad enough life can't adapt fast enough I'm sure there'll be just enough ecosystem collapse to fuck civilization, by I don't see mass extinctions, the sea life will scrape by until carbon is sequestered, probably faster than expected with civilization out of the way. And I still don't see bees going extinct. Unable to keep in man made hives and used for ag? Prehaps
>>71790435
Not him but warmer than normal temps lead to large algae blooms
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/08/140804-harmful-algal-bloom-lake-erie-climate-change-science/
>>71790702
please. the probability of that has done nothing but drop since the 60's. this is the safest time ever to be alive.
fear= the ultimate blue pill
>>71787144
>it's happening but it's not us
This is where you'll stop if you're not a fucking retard.
>>71790435
heres one source
http://www.csiro.au/en/News/News-releases/2013/Deserts-greening-from-rising-CO2
>Australian National University (ANU), found that this CO2 fertilisation correlated with an 11 per cent increase in foliage cover from 1982-2010 across parts of the arid areas studied in Australia, North America, the Middle East and Africa
http://phys.org/news/2013-07-greening-co2.html
both sources refer to a paper in a geophysical reaserch letters
keep in mind anything like this is buried and is not to be spread to the goyim by the MSM
>>71787144
I am in the "I don't give a damn about it" category.
>>71787144
I fall under the category of "some men just like to watch the world burn."
>>71789115
>I know we're going to fuck our world in the ass and I'm here to watch
90% of overpopulation is niggers quadrupling a generation with our help
if you want to save the planet, you know what you must do
>>71790977
What do you claim it is?
Climate change notwithstanding, do you attribute the meteoric rise in CO2 levels to human activity, or is that also natural somehow?
96% of green house gases is water vapor
atmospheric C02 makes up less than 1% of green house gas
the addition of human contributed C02 to the total atmospheric green house gas a tiny percent of the total >1%
its a bunch of bullshit
>>71791183
>the addition of human contributed C02 to the total atmospheric green house gas a tiny percent of the total >1%
Now you're just being fucking contrary
>>71789563
They aren't scare tactics, they are just patterns we observe in paleontology and paleoclimatology.
I could've worded my post better so it didn't sound like sensationalism, but pH is still an important factor of ocean health. Acidity works as a logarithmic function so the change of say, 0.5 pH is actually pretty significant. (Ex: Difference between 7 and 6 on the pH scale is multiplied by 10) But this doesn't mean the world is ending or whatever. The way to mitigate these effects certainly isn't by handicapping the lives of Americans, so I agree with you there. Places like China and India are the true culprits.
>>71787144
The middle. People forget the little ice age that was the 18th and 19th centuries. The fucking Mississippi river froze over annually when the founding fathers were alive, something that was never recorded in the 16th or 17th centuries. Now that we're returning to climates similar to that of the previous eras, everyone is freaking the fuck out.
>>71787144
There's a reason you post this in /pol/ and not /sci/. Because it's about the former more than the latter.
>>71790085
I'm interested to see if in the future biomass over corrects CO2 levels, due to lower CO2 production and large biomass obviously. Imagine 2060 Olympics with close to 0 CO2 and more O2, every record being broken and the world temps plumiting
>>71790761
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_fertility_rate
you can see where the problem lies
Just cause unregulated capitalism leads to global warming doesn't mean you need to deny science. If your ideology only works within a science denial framework then you are stupid.
>>71787144
>accepting any proposals the government gives that would increase control over its population
I fall under whichever won't impose more bullshit.
>>71791183
>96% of green house gases is water vapor
and humans only create 0.001% of it
>>71788995
>more trees today in the West than there ever was before
>cut down all the trees
Pick one and only one.
>>71791287
despite your unsourced scary graph, temperature has been level for the last 19 years. even the IPCC AR5 report acknowledges this, calling it "the hiatus"
so it kind of disproves the notion that more CO2 equals higher temp, since CO2 has been increasing, with no increase in temp
>>71787144
from right to left
>global warming!
>carbon fingerprint/footprint!
>muh statistics
>>71791663
maybe you should trust the scientists who got it wrong so far?
maybe you should trust them even though they falsified data
maybe you should trust them even though they are wrong
shill
>>71791290
>0.5pH
except you arent getting near that change. i dont think humans have the ability to intentionally lower the pH of the entire body of the earths oceans by that amount. you see a slight, barely noticeable, extremely localized trend and exaggerate --- because you think that will make people think the way you do. these are not global concerns.
>>71787144
>le climate change denial
People like you are the reason our country and economy is in shit right now
I can almost 99% guarantee you're from the east or calgary. We'll see how long you last without western resources and industry
People like this are why I'm a western seperatist
>>71791957
I was just using the number of .5 as an example.
>>71791819
Ah yes, the age-old political tactic of heralding authority figures so long as they support your ideology in an effort to sway the masses. Good one, leaf boy.
>>71791859
Do you have poor reading comprehension? What part of my post did you not understand? Do you see any mention of temperature? Furthermore, do you deny CO2 levels have dramatically risen?
>>71787571
So the lowest models are pretty much spot on then?
Nice to know we a the frog that never jumps from the boiling pan because the temperature is rising too slowly to be noticed,
>>71791663
implying science related education only counts if you are a "climatologist". doctors, geologists, lab techs, engineers, physicists... they can all read and interpret data too m8. there really is no evidence to support the outlandish claims you are making, there is no consensus, you were lied to by john oliver in 2015. it really is just another communist/leftist mind fuck. enjoy the wonders of technology without guilt.
>>71792185
no, none, no, no
yet temperature has no increased for 20 years, whilst CO2 has been increasing, which totally falsifies the proposal that increase in CO2 equals increase in temp
you are wrong, they are wrong, evil biased money grubbing shill
>>71787144
So far the the climate models developed over that last 30 years have grossly overstated the warming to a ridiculous degree.
Hansen's 1988 forecasts showed 3.1 C per century warming with an absolute minimum of 2.8C.
Observed warming is 0.8C, 1.0C, or even the most biased surface readings show 1.6C half of what Hansen claimed.
Why should we have any faith in the people who have been wrong for 30 years and yet claim that their new model is perfectly accurate so trust them doom is coming?
>>71792107
>i was just exaggerating because scare tactics is how i'm used to motivating brainless lefty communists.
you are just giving "scientists" a bad name. you are the real anti-scientist.
>>71787438
Ocean acidification is a misnomer.
>>71792344
have you checked out agenda 21? the UNs plan to bring in global socialism, reduce our quality of life, depopulate the countryside and force us all to live in cities with shitskins?
>>71787144
number one or two, depending on whether "natural changes" counts as "Happening"
number one if we are only talking about measurable man influence (the signal to noise ratio in the data is like 1:10, no other scientist in the world would ever consider that worth half a shit)
>>71788995
Young forests absorb and store away crazy amounts of carbon almost equal to the amount of felled trees in just a couple years. Trees aren't like gold or oil they come back quick its like the cycle of life and shit brah
>>71790282
>>71790914
And there's other solutions
http://www.nature.com/news/dumping-iron-at-sea-does-sink-carbon-1.11028
"Each atom of added iron pulled 13000 atoms of carbon out of the atmosphere by encouraging algal growth
Andhttp://qz.com/534553/seaweed-could-save-the-worlds-oceans-from-becoming-too-acidic/
"The Seaweed farms of Lidao more than reverse the local acidification threat"
>>71790138
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>>71792185
>http://thingsnotfoundonwikipedia.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-holocene-transgression-and-global.html?m=1
Tacking on high-resolution data (daily CO2 measurements) to low resolution data (air in ice bubbles has an age spread of about 70 years, gets older as you go back).
In short, an absolute abomination. Pic related. An Apples to Apples view of CO2 back to about 1850. Notice how much more variable the CO2 is.
Fig. 12 from Beck, Ernst-Georg. "180 years of atmospheric CO2 gas analysis by chemical methods." Energy & Environment 18.2 (2007): 259-282.
I AM SO SICK OF STUPID HOCKEY STICK GRAPHS THAT ARE CREATED BY TACKING HIGH FREQUENCY DATA ONTO LOW FREQUENCY DATA.
this is what climate changers actually fantasize about doing to those who don't believe in their fairy tale
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS5CH-Xc0co
I think there is clearly a significant man made contribution to the warming of the planet
Green house gas+sun=heat
Sorry fags, its really that simple. Im not saying the planet would self destruct if it were 5 degrees warmer, but still
>>71792185
The hockey stick graph has been proven false.
This is just a plot to destabilize economies like Canada or the US that have very huge resource sectors
We've caught on to your little game
>>71792559
Older trees actually add wood faster and thus sink carbon faster.
>>71787144
It's happening but it's not bad and it's also not us. I don't fall under any of these categories.
>>71792426
Thanks for the credible sources. Here's your phd.
>>71787353
This. It's basically the Ozone layer hole hysteria of the 80s but of the milennial generation. Remember how the Ozone layer would be gone and kill us by the year 2000?
![merchant[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/nOhTuhb.jpg "merchant[1].png")
>be climate scientist
>oh shit nigger i'm a scientist of useless bullshit
>panic.jpg
>psst... hey goy i have a proposition for you
>>71787144
How on earth is "It's happening but not as bad as alarmists make it out to be" a denial? The fucking sentence starts out with "I agree"
>>71792531
they see china as their model. china has had yuge urbanization projects. removing the populations from the countryside and giving the farming land to large corporations.
the infrastructure of this will end up being a mix of a High School/Fallout 4 Vault/County Jail.
the government overwatch is being developed now in britain, you my friend are test bed, the nucleus of this gambit.
diversity - one world gov't - together we are poor
>>71792759
If that was true there would be millions of mile high trees in the world fucken idiot
>>71792973
They don't get taller. They bulk up.
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=3781#.Vxr5xnqQDrs
>>71792559
>>71792759
No I think he's mostly right, young trees go through a growth spurt and then level off and mostly just sequester from leaf drop and a little slow growth. I think grasslands surpass forests though. Idk how grain crops would compare, assuming they aren't grown with fossil fuel inputs
>>71790636
This is a dumb one cause they claim the ice melting is spreading "wider" but is less "dense".
>>71792905
>this
>>71792839
NASA radiosonde (balloon) data show no warming for 58 years.
They must really be upset that they can't travel into the past to tamper the data from their old publications.
>>71791569
Well if the atmosphere was only O2 we'd all be dead.
>>71787144
How about I just don't give a fuck? It's like complaining about catering while you're on a sinking ship.
>>71787450
Tehnically humans are integrated in nature, so everything would be natural
You can't decide if something is real or not based on your feelings. Look up stats about temperatures, natural disaster frequencies, etc, and then make an informed decision for yourself. The science behind it makes sense, at least. I personally haven't taken the time to research the stats, but if you really want to know, look at historical data for trends.
>>71793114
>>71793092
Oh just missed this, although it DOES say "However, the researchers are careful to note that the rapid absorption rate of individual trees does not necessarily translate into a net increase in carbon storage for an entire forest"
But then again this says forests are the second best https://www.doi.gov/news/pressreleases/interior-releases-study-of-carbon-storage-and-sequestration-in-western-ecosystems-as-part-of-national-assessment after wetlands, so still apparently ahead of grasslands
>>71790085
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-nsU_DaIZE
>>71793574
Also i've wondered on the philosophy of this
"Humans evolved, are made of atoms and function within the laws of physics=humans are natural=everything we do is natural=there's no "unnatural" substances/materials/effects we have=all is right in the universe"
>>71792426
I'm wrong because you "refuted" a claim I never made?
>>71792559
The problem is we're adding more carbon to the atmosphere than earth's plants can absorb. This is undeniable.
>>71792686
This is a legitimate argument, but do you really think CO2 levels changed as quickly in the distant past as they have in the last hundred years? I mean we can measure the amount of CO2 humans put into the air every year.
>>71792753
I'm pretty sure you're referring to some temperature data. I plotted CO2. And even then I don't think the temperature data was "proven false."
>CAPTCHA: select all images with trees
>>71792638
That iron thing is kinda interesting
>>71793391
Luckily we have all this nitrogen and water vapor in the air. A higher O2 concentration would have an incredible affect on endurance
>>71793301
That graph shows it rising you faggot
>>71793975
No, I would say that there is definitely a difference between natural and man-made things. The world isn't used to large scale human activities that have developed in a relatively short period of time. There are many things we do that are unsustainable, like draining underground aquifers for water that take millenniums to refill.
>>71787144
Stage three is stage redpill. It's happening but the fucking kikes are pushing:
>see goyim! the world is on fire! It's like anudda shoah! The only way we can fix it is if we embrace globalism and multiculturalism!
>>71787144
The real consensus is 0.3%
>>71791183
Something is unimportant because there is not a lot! Like snake venom i your vains, such a low dose
>>71793301
Dumbshit. 2015 is the same as 2010 is the same as 1998 is the same as 1958 and 1973!
The point is, NASA/NOAA cherry pick the start of the data in their recent graph to 1979 when a period of global cooling reach its bottom. There was a large warming period in the 30s, 40s and into the 50s. They don't want you to know about that one.
>1000 years ago this was a coastal fort
>now it's 1 mile inland
explain this to me alarmists
>>71794181
Nope, look at the red line, and read here.>>71794924
Nobody here is denying here the earth is getting warmer and humans are contributing to it. What people are having troubles coming to terms with is that the government does have a role to regulate and protect the environment.
>>71787144
All three of those are true.
>The world is not currently warming.
>The warming we experienced from the 1970s-1990s is very similar to other natural warming trends in the temperature record, there is nothing unusual about it.
>A warmer world is not a bad thing. Look at what happened when the world did warm from the 1970s-1990s, world GDP and food production went up too.
>>71792753
its a plot to establish a world tax and take steps to bring china under jew domination
>>71792888
You do realize that because we stopped the use of CFCs globally the rate of ozone layer decay has slowed to almost nothing and that models predict we'll be back to pre-CFC levels by 2050?
Fucking moron. Go educate yourself.
>>71794246
I didn't mean to rule out common sense preservation, but the world's HAS has massive changes in a relatively short time, and not just from think like meteors or volcanoes, but the atoll a event, the evolution of grass or flowering plants, or plants in general/the change from a reducing atmosphere to and oxidizing one that probably killed 99% of (very early) unicellular life. Also this in relation to eocene http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v8/n1/full/ngeo2316.html "first pulse lasting less than 2000 years"
>>71794023
Yes. The graph demonstrates it. Look at 1820. Contrary to propaganda, only about 4% of atmospheric CO2 is anthropogenic. The "lifetime" of CO2 is about 5 years. Not the ridiculous 100, 1000, 6000 years or whatever that we are supposed to believe. See, for example, Murray (1992) or Peng et al. (1983). The short-term lifetime of CO2 was well established but became taboo because of the IPCC. Murry Salby, for example, an excellent Atmospheric scientist lost his job for committing that thought-crime.
>>71795527
Fucking spell check "azolla event" I just mean humans are a part of the universe, and what we do like termites making a home or elephants knocking down trees, or a gamma ray burst, is an extension of our nature
>>71787144
>WAHHAHAH WE ALL GONNA DIE ThE EARTH WILL HEAT UP 1320332CELSIUS IF WE WONT STOP
>okay okay it did not heat even 1 celsius but it sure will ,donate money into my fund goy
>>71795473
You have historical data that shows ozone hole levels are stable absent CFCs?
You didn't just look at the very first data ever recorded of ozone levels, scream "the sky is falling" and atribute blame to something you couldn't distinguish from a natural trend/variance which you have never had the data to measure or know?
>>71787144
Climate change is a natural part of what takes place on Earth.
>>71796036
Shhh. Climate is eternally stable and never has small changes, any small changes we have measured for the very first time on a global scale with satellites must be because of human actions and require global regulation of every economy. Don't be a luddite, listen to the authority of The Science.
>>71787144
Whether it exists or not, there is no technical readon why it can't be fixed. Only the fact that the climatologists don't want to give up the spotlight is stopping us from sequestering three times the annual global CO2 output of the human race every year using technology that has existed since the 1970s.
>>71796257
>there is no technical reason why it can't be fixed.
>>71787144
It's happening, but people worry too much about the wrong thing
I don't care about a 4 degree increase of the global average temp
I care about the destruction of coastal infrastructure and how the jews are changing the climate to create a new demand for construction and engineering for them to profit off of
That's why I'm majoring in civil engineering
>As potentially deadly as climate change is, it's still a less important issue than White extinction
Is this a fair statement?
>>71796462
Because people are killing themselves trying to fly by jumping off cliffs, I suppose that means airplanes can't work, either.
An industrial problem has an industrial solution.
>>71796688
I've been meaning to mention the plastic garbage in the ocean but that works too
>>71787144
It's the fucking volcanoes. How do you cucks not realize this?
I really hope these posts are ironic because this thread contains the entire spectrum of ignorance misinformation and excuse making of climate change denial
It's like someone spread misinformation as a troll and everyone thought they were being serious its the entire pretend to be retarded and retards will flock to you
But seriously do you really think that a bunch of anonymous jackoffs on a cantonese shadow puppet forum know more about climate change than a majority of scientists out there? that you have some magical scrap of info that has eluded every journalist and scientist like that there's some sort of conspiracy? who the fuck gains from green energy there aren't even many green energy companies in the first place and they don't even have the power to influence anyone
>>71797464
Propose actions and solutions or gtfo
Also, few here have denied it out right, handful have said "iz nathurrr" all I think is it won't even be as bad as I hope. The human population needs a reset and there's been plenty of collapses before. inb4
>hurr so you'll survive it like a chose one?
>>71797803
Really the best solution is a attitude change get people to care and take this seriously I truely beielve in letting individuals lead the cause against pollution rather than government though I will admit its hard but every little part helps
The government could start funding thorium reactors research or other gen 4 nuclear reactors they've got so much promise but the stigma against them is holding the technology back, we should also stop letting ourselves get cucked by oil companies/countries its disgusting that we're at the whim of dirty sandniggers because of oil
Perhaps we could also try implementing a good recycling system since we can recycle like 70% of our waste here in New York we have a zero sort recycling system where you just put your recyclables in a separate dumpster and the company sorts it out
Besides peak oil will hit soon, price will start going up compared to renewables, and it will effect EVERYONE not just the west with cap n trade or carbon credits or other self imposed handicaps.and we will all move towards green energy by TRUE necessity, not aetificia, which isn't as effective for innovation
>>71797803
Here you go.
>>71798382
Oh god I know lack of recycling here is ridiculous, how much glass the bars threw away at a catering company I worked at was insane. And is personally like to ban non biodegradable highly disposable things (plastic bags, soda can collar things etc) but that doesn't help co2 emissions that much. And not like we can dictate to China and India what to do, with 2+billion people, I know, fuck oil and Arabs but until they start running out it isn't (usually) economical to do much else
>>71798584
I heard about something like this except of silos it was caves underwater and underground and that they were going to grow special moss and sea urchin to absorb the carbon dioxide but they died too quickly from the overexposure
I'm curious if corn silage can survive underground without sunlight since photosynthesis is the way that plants use up carbon dioxide
>>71798584
No doubt I'll shortly be banned again for posting that. Funny how a little inconvenient truth can be as bad as CP and guro.
>>71798907
It's not supposed to survive, it's supposed to be contained in such a way that the surface area isn't sufficient for the outgas from its decay to return significant amounts of carbon to the atmosphere.
>>71798584
Pretty sure my iron fertilization was better
>>71792638
Corn stover sound good there but the machinery to handle/bury it would guzzle lots of fuel. What currently happens to it? Is most fed to cattle or plowed under or burned? Bovine manure fixes carbon nicely, bison build the soil of the midwest with 7000 years of eating and shitting prairie grass (mollisols) BUT the corn is grown with huge amounts of FH inputs. Might as well turn the cornfields into native pasture and turn the cows out on it.
>>71798849
India and China are ironically on the forefront of thorium technology India wants at least 25% of its energy to be nuclear powered by 2025 and even China has started to realize how bad they fucked up having to create a level above code red for the environmental disasters in the country and are trying to clean their shit up, but Indians and Chinese aren't good at science at least not as good as America I think if we put our weight behind thorium we'll get that shit down in 2025 because once we have clean efficient energy we're golden just start converting the CO2 in the air into fuel, its currently unfeasible since it requires more energy in than out but with better energy that won't be a problem
>>71787144
Climate change is real but it's not the government's job to intervene.
>>71799340
Heard thorium mentioned before. Haven't read into it much but I still like the sound of relatively conventional. Solar updraft towers? Using solar concentrators directly for industry instead of turning heat into elec and then back to heat, making things more efficient and reducing energy needs instead of worrying about meeting a huge demand of green energy. Sooner or later it will prove economical to do so, apparently China and India are realizing this
