I have thought a great deal about how a feminist, like myself, addresses an audience primarily of political men who say that they are antisexist. And I thought a lot about whether there should be a qualitative difference in the kind of speech I address to you. And then I found myself incapable of pretending that I really believe that that qualitative difference exists. I have watched the men's movement for many years. I am close with some of the people who participate in it. I can't come here as a friend even though I might very much want to. What I would like to do is to scream: and in that scream I would have the screams of the raped, and the sobs of the battered; and even worse, in the center of that scream I would have the deafening sound of women's silence, that silence into which we are born because we are women and in which most of us die.
And if there would be a plea or a question or a human address in that scream, it would be this: why are you so slow? Why are you so slow to understand the simplest things; not the complicated ideological things. You understand those. The simple things. The cliches. Simply that women are human to precisely the degree and quality that you are.
And also: that we do not have time. We women. We don't have forever. Some of us don't have another week or another day to take time for you to discuss whatever it is that will enable you to go out into those streets and do something. We are very close to death. All women are. And we are very close to rape and we are very close to beating. And we are inside a system of humiliation from which there is no escape for us. We use statistics not to try to quantify the injuries, but to convince the world that those injuries even exist.
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>>81432834
Those statistics are not abstractions. It is easy to say, "Ah, the statistics, somebody writes them up one way and somebody writes them up another way." That's true. But I hear about the rapes one by one by one by one by one, which is also how they happen. Those statistics are not abstract to me. Every three minutes a woman is being raped. Every eighteen seconds a woman is being beaten. There is nothing abstract about it. It is happening right now as I am speaking.
And it is happening for a simple reason. There is nothing complex and difficult about the reason. Men are doing it, because of the kind of power that men have over women. That power is real, concrete, exercised from one body to another body, exercised by someone who feels he has a right to exercise it, exercised in public and exercised in private. It is the sum and substance of women's oppression.
It is not done 5000 miles away or 3000 miles away. It is done here and it is done now and it is done by the people in this room as well as by other contemporaries: our friends, our neighbors, people that we know. Women don't have to go to school to learn about power. We just have to be women, walking down the street or trying to get the housework done after having given one's body in marriage and then having no rights over it.
The power exercised by men day to day in life is power that is institutionalized. It is protected by law. It is protected by religion and religious practice. It is protected by universities, which are strongholds of male supremacy. It is protected by a police force. It is protected by those whom Shelley called "the unacknowledged legislators of the world": the poets, the artists. Against that power, we have silence.
>>81432834
Hahaha haha
>>81432834
SAvaGE
It is an extraordinary thing to try to understand and confront why it is that men believe--and men do believe--that they have the right to rape. Men may not believe it when asked. Everybody raise your hand who believes you have the right to rape. Not too many hands will go up. It's in life that men believe they have the right to force sex, which they don't call rape. And it is an extraordinary thing to try to understand that men really believe that they have the right to hit and to hurt. And it is an equally extraordinary thing to try to understand that men really believe that they have the right to buy a woman's body for the purpose of having sex: that that is a right. And it is very amazing to try to understand that men believe that the seven-billion-dollar-a-year industry that provides men with cunts is something that men have a right to.
That is the way the power of men is manifest in real life. That is what theory about male supremacy means. It means you can rape. It means you can hit. It means you can hurt. It means you can buy and sell women. It means that there is a class of people there to provide you with what you need. You stay richer than they are, so that they have to sell you sex. Not just on street corners, but in the workplace. That's another right that you can presume to have: sexual access to any woman in your environment, when you want.
Now, the men's movement suggests that men don't want the kind of power I have just described. I've actually heard explicit whole sentences to that effect. And yet, everything is a reason not to do something about changing the fact that you do have that power.
Hiding behind guilt, that's my favorite. I love that one. Oh, it's horrible, yes, and I'm so sorry. You have the time to feel guilty. We don't have the time for you to feel guilty. Your guilt is a form of acquiescence in what continues to occur. Your guilt helps keep things the way they are.
I have heard in the last several years a great deal about the suffering of men over sexism. Of course, I have heard a great deal about the suffering of men all my life. Needless to say, I have read Hamlet. I have read King Lear. I am an educated woman. I know that men suffer. This is a new wrinkle. Implicit in the idea that this is a different kind of suffering is the claim, I think, that in part you are actually suffering because of something that you know happens to someone else. That would indeed be new.
But mostly your guilt, your suffering, reduces to: gee, we really feel so bad. Everything makes men feel so bad: what you do, what you don't do, what you want to do, what you don't want to want to do but are going to do anyway. I think most of your distress is: gee, we really feel so bad. And I'm sorry that you feel so bad--so uselessly and stupidly bad--because there is a way in which this really is your tragedy. And I don't mean because you can't cry. And I don't mean because there is no real intimacy in your lives. And I don't mean because the armor that you have to live with as men is stultifying: and I don't doubt that it is. But I don't mean any of that.
I mean that there is a relationship between the way that women are raped and your socialization to rape and the war machine that grinds you up and spits you out: the war machine that you go through just like that woman went through Larry Flynt's meat grinder on the cover of Hustler. You damn well better believe that you're involved in this tragedy and that it's your tragedy too. Because you're turned into little soldier boys from the day that you are born and everything that you learn about how to avoid the humanity of women becomes part of the militarism of the country in which you live and the world in which you live. It is also part of the economy that you frequently claim to protest.
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>>81433406
You know what's funny? I have been called an absolutely horrible sexist, misogynist, and so forth for ignoring women. Sure, I might insult women online when they annoy me, but that's rarely.
So just think about that - people think I am a brutal misogynist, and sexist, and a vile horrible person just because I ignore women! I don't mistreat them in real life, or hit them. I just do my own thing. And apparently people don't like that.
And the problem is that you think it's out there: and it's not out there. It's in you. The pimps and the warmongers speak for you. Rape and war are not so different. And what the pimps and the warmongers do is that they make you so proud of being men who can get it up and give it hard. And they take that acculturated sexuality and they put you in little uniforms and they send you out to kill and to die. Now, I am not going to suggest to you that I think that's more important than what you do to women, because I don't.
But I think that if you want to look at what this system does to you, then that is where you should start looking: the sexual politics of aggression; the sexual politics of militarism. I think that men are very afraid of other men. That is something that you sometimes try to address in your small groups, as if if you changed your attitudes towards each other, you wouldn't be afraid of each other.
But as long as your sexuality has to do with aggression and your sense of entitlement to humanity has to do with being superior to other people, and there is so much contempt and hostility in your attitudes towards women and children, how could you not be afraid of each other? I think that you rightly perceive--without being willing to face it politically--that men are very dangerous: because you are.
The solution of the men's movement to make men less dangerous to each other by changing the way you touch and feel each other is not a solution. It's a recreational break.
>>81433406
I wouldn't rape you but I sure as hell would never consent to fucking you either.
>>81432834
cringe
These conferences are also concerned with homophobia. Homophobia is very important: it is very important to the way male supremacy works. In my opinion, the prohibitions against male homosexuality exist in order to protect male power. Do it to her. That is to say: as long as men rape, it is very important that men be directed to rape women. As long as sex is full of hostility and expresses both power over and contempt for the other person, it is very important that men not be declassed, stigmatized as female, used similarly. The power of men as a class depends on keeping men sexually inviolate and women sexually used by men. Homophobia helps maintain that class power: it also helps keep you as individuals safe from each other, safe from rape. If you want to do something about homophobia, you are going to have to do something about the fact that men rape, and that forced sex is not incidental to male sexuality but is in practice paradigmatic.
Some of you are very concerned about the rise of the Right in this country, as if that is something separate from the issues of feminism or the men's movement. There is a cartoon I saw that brought it all together nicely. It was a big picture of Ronald Reagan as a cowboy with a big hat and a gun. And it said: "A gun in every holster; a pregnant woman in every home. Make America a man again." Those are the politics of the Right.
If you are afraid of the ascendancy of fascism in this country--and you would be very foolish not to be right now--then you had better understand that the root issue here has to do with male supremacy and the control of women; sexual access to women; women as reproductive slaves; private ownership of women. That is the program of the Right. That is the morality they talk about. That is what they mean. That is what they want. And the only opposition to them that matters is an opposition to men owning women.
>>81435689
>if you're afraid of the rise of fascism, and you should be
Pourquoi?
>>81432834
>go out into those streets and do something
Are you sure you want this from /pol/?
I would be more inclined to listen to people like this if I didn't know that sitting the wrong way is sexual harrassment to them.
Get out of /pol/ fuckin feminigger piece of shit
What's involved in doing something about all of this? The men's movement seems to stay stuck on two points. The first is that men don't really feel very good about themselves. How could you? The second is that men come to me or to other feminists and say: "What you're saying about men isn't true. It isn't true of me. I don't feel that way. I'm opposed to all of this."
And I say: don't tell me. Tell the pornographers. Tell the pimps. Tell the warmakers. Tell the rape apologists and the rape celebrationists and the pro-rape ideologues. Tell the novelists who think that rape is wonderful. Tell Larry Flynt. Tell Hugh Hefner. There's no point in telling me. I'm only a woman. There's nothing I can do about it. These men presume to speak for you. They are in the public arena saying that they represent you. If they don't, then you had better let them know.
Then there is the private world of misogyny: what you know about each other; what you say in private life; the exploitation that you see in the private sphere; the relationships called love, based on exploitation. It's not enough to find some traveling feminist on the road and go up to her and say: "Gee, I hate it."
Say it to your friends who are doing it. And there are streets out there on which you can say these things loud and dear, so as to affect the actual institutions that maintain these abuses. You don't like pornography? I wish I could believe it's true. I will believe it when I see you on the streets. I will believe it when I see an organized political opposition. I will believe it when pimps go out of business because there are no more male consumers.
You want to organize men. You don't have to search for issues. The issues are part of the fabric of your everyday lives.
>>81436296
Make me.
>>81432834
>Stop raping.
No.
>>81438406
You degenerate scum. The fact that stuff like that even exists only proves the point of people like OP. Even though OP is just shitposting.
>>81438178
Here's a man's issue that is worth rallying behind; black manhood is weaponized to justify violence against black men. Masculinity for black men is dangerous, the more masculine a black man presents himself as the higher risk he is from attracting violence from cops and from people in general
Women are so fucking dumb they took the whole feminist movement and drove it into the ground so hard it's now a dirty word
>>81439023
>exists only proves the point of people like OP.
'kay. When did I give the impression I cared what people like OP want? In this world there will always be victims, either take accountability for yourself by learning to fight or become one.
>>81432834
My greatest crime was posting on the internet.
>>81432834
>2016
>still caring about the ises the women face
Remember, all men are rapists, rape enablers or perpetuators of rape culture. Now, why should those men do anything? For what reason?
>>81439403
Because women are equal but you should treat them like children by giving them immunity from violence. GUUUUURL pwer
>>81432980
>after having given one's body in marriage and then having no rights over it.
Yeah, sorry, I have read this part later. Sage.
>>81432834
I raped my ex. Feels bad man
>>81439393
Remember that you'll get jail time for that in Germany.
>>81432834
That's a lot of writing for a drunk.
>>81439156
You're the fucking idiot, in a world were women are disenfranchised do you think that there is any possible strategy or set of tactics that wouldn't face pushback and retaliation from a public that always hates change and an establishment who's power is threatened? An establishment that doesn't want itself to change will do anything it can to delegitimize its opposition
>>81438406
Well I think you just convinced me how right op is..
>>81432834
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>>81438178
Your posts remind me of something that happened to me. My Grandfather smoked his whole life. I was about 10 years old when my mother said to him, 'If you ever want to see your grandchildren graduate, you have to stop immediately.'. Tears welled up in his eyes when he realized what exactly was at stake. He gave it up immediately. Three years later he died of lung cancer. It was really sad and destroyed me. My mother said to me- 'Don't ever smoke. Please don't put your family through what your Grandfather put us through." I agreed. At 23, I have never touched a cigarette. I must say, I feel a very slight sense of regret for never having done it, because your post gave me cancer anyway.
Honestly it's not even a feminist thing. I was born in '71 in a town in rural alberta and when I was growing up, there was not a liberal within hundreds of miles in any direction.
And if you raped somebody in my town, you got to swim with a cinderblock until perdition's end. That shit was not looked kindly upon. Murdering somebody would have been a less offensive choice.
>>81439746
>M-men are so oppressive
>But women are just as strong
>B-but women can't change the system
>Because men disenfranchise them
>B-but women are just as good at everything
>So men should GIVE them whatever powers women ask for instead of women working for it
Take a look outside, at everything around you. Observe every structure created by a human, the very bricks and metal which create the civilization you live in, and ask yourself: how much of any of it was built by a woman?
Boy this JIDF sure went all-in. Have a polite sage.
Stop trivializing rape and then you won't be raped so often.
>>81439921
Oh shit, Canada bringing the bantz.
If copypasta, still pretty sweet.
>>81439746
>le epic debate man
Go suck Trudeau's cock fag, lol
>>81440082
Many architects are women, a lot of those structures were likely planned by women, putting the structure together following someone else's plan is shit even machines can do.
Is this some kind of mental-shitstream from a femblog or something?
>>81439746
btw, whose* power is threatened
Guess what: I'm a woman
I've been using 4chan for 8 years now. I'm an MIS and Marketing major, top of my class. I have an IQ of 146. I'm only a sophomore and have had 7 internships. I'm a member of the MENSA society. I'm voting Trump. I'm not a feminist, however, I'm probably more intelligent than most of you in this thread.
Wether you like it or not, females are comperable. I'm not here to steal your money. I'll probably make more than you. I'm not going to make you a sandwhich, I'll have my personal chef do it. The ironic thing is my father married for looks and I'm actually attractive as well. Cocky? Yes. Ashamed? No.
I won't show you my tits, I'll be your CEO one day.
LOL DIDN'T READ
>>81438178
Femme-Finn, you've got the wrong demographic.
>>81432834
>>81432980
>>81433125
>>81433406
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>>81438178
Two very poor farmers live next to each other, growing potatoes. One has a cow, and that cow is his pride and joy. She gives milk every day, and vastly enriches his life. The other has no cow.
One year, a famine strikes. The farmer with the cow is forced to sell her; the other farmer starves to death. The newspaper runs an article about the tragedy of the farmer who was forced to sell his cow, totally ignoring the farmer who had no cow to begin with. The mayor comes out, everyone thinks the sale of the cow was very sad, and laws are passed against that kind of thing.
A decade later, another famine strikes another pair of farmers. They both die, but at least the cow is fine.
>>81439358
You know very well that posting that .gif is only contributing to degeneracy. So why do you do it, scum?
>>81440246
From thatch huts to block fortresses to high rises, from lamp posts to electric lines to sewer systems, all of it comes down to the hands of men and you know this.
Women live off the luxuries labored for by males, and there are sure as FUCK less women working engineer or architect jobs than the careers they say are "sexist" because Men pioneered those also but a couple bitches wanted a free ride in that industry.
Are you telling us that women don't crave rape? Here is was thinking I was failure but you helped me realize I'm not
>>81440260
Yes
>>81440358
thanks m8 i need the pasta right now
>>81439746
Fuck off summerfag. If you think women are still hard done by in society, I invite you to view the list of scholarships at any major university and any internship program at any major company, particularly tech companies. Never before have there been more opportunities for women to succeed, the industry is handing them success on a silver platter. If you don't want to take this opportunity, then you deserve failure.
Fucking leafs.
>>81432834
Cunt
>>81440487
It comes down to the hands of people who got paid for their work, and will likely be replaced by automatization, so I'm not living off anything. If anyone's living off someone its' leeching neets like the young male demographic. Why do you have to belittle the work of others so hard?
>>81439746
>feminists
>anti-estabilishment
Holy fucking shit there are actually people who believes that, hahahaha. What's next, Clinton being anti wall street?
>>81432834
>And we are inside a system of humiliation from which there is no escape for us.
It's called biology you dumb cunt :^)
>>81440358
>more intelligent than anyone on this thread
>wether
>>81440246
>putting the structure together following someone else's plan is shit even machines can do.
But apparently not women.
>>81440846
>Why do you have to belittle the work of others so hard
I'm not, I'm honoring the labor of others by not allowing women to take the credit for these achievements.
It sure as fuck wasn't women who invented and constructed aqueducts. Know your role, cunt. Men build and maintain civilizations, women get fucked and watch their mouths.
>>81441193
No shit nobody wants to do a job like that. Being a construction worker is a low value job if you don't own the firm you're working for, and if you own the firm you're working for you can hire poor dumb people to do it for you.
>>81441416
This is why women will never be of value for society.
You don't run a business without understanding the work that your laborers will be doing.
>>81440051
B-but Anon, what are you talking about? Men are encouraged to, and get away with raping women all the time. Surely you are miss remembering.
>>81441494
>never be of value for society.
Let me amend this, beside spitting out babies; which is a function they'll no longer be necessary for soon enough because unlike men their function actually will be able to be done artificially.
>>81432834
Knowing this post comes from Finland, I can take comfort in the fact that it's satire.
>>81432834
Why are imlying stuff about me
You don't know >>81432834
me
Just because I'm a man does not mean I'm a mysoginist.
Predjudice takes many forms
>>81440358
Cool. You should be just as angry about the BS feminist dogma and the average dude is.
Patriarchs of the past may have created feminism through their misogyny, but today feminists are creating misogyny through their endless assault on men.
PS if you are ever in the mood for a decent adult conversation over drinks followed by forgettable yet fun at the time sex, hit me up.
>>81440668
I'm saying that the claim that feminism was 'made ridiculous' by feminists is absurd. Any movement, no matter how justified or not will always face the establishment trying to discredit said movement. Feminism looking ridiculous has far more to do with anti-feminists counter propaganda than feminists themselves.
>>81441416
Where the fuck would you be without people who can actually put your glorious plans into motion?
Your rhetoric shows you don't know shit about construction, it's realization, or how valued it is.
Go on, hire dumb people to build something, guess where you end up.
>>81441494
You can understand that work without doing that work yourself, that's why, as you said, the laborers will be doing the work and not you.
>>81441208
>take the credit for these achievements
Why are you are denying the credit of working women then? :)
>>81440051
Comparing Rape to Murder
This bait is fucked mates
>>81432834
>pol
>anti-sexist
Fuck off you deluded feminist cunt
TLDR the rest
>>81440358
Stale, stale pasta
>>81442007
>I'm saying that the claim that feminism was 'made ridiculous' by feminists is absurd.
No one cares, and if you really think that you live in a fucking sensory deprivation chamber
>>81442226
>Why are you are denying the credit of working women then? :)
Because I don't see any.
Every street I drive on, every building I enter, built, cooled, wired, and drained by men.
Not a woman was instrumental to a single second of it aside from having getting fucked one time to make another man.
>You can understand that work without doing that work yourself
Hardly. I wouldn't expect a woman to know this, but you don't become an executive chef without having ever cooked or cleaned a plate.
You're a perfect example of why women are incompetent, you want all the benefits with none of the work.
>>81442104
>Where the fuck would you be without people who can actually put your glorious plans into motion?
You can ask yourself that, men's plans wouldn't have been put into motion either without women.
>hire dumb people to build something
That's the industry standard m8. There's a reason why construction workers are either poor slavs in the EU or poor mexicans in the US, that's when the government isn't subsidizing it to fraudolent chinese companies that is.
>>81442007
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/07/14/harassing-women-on-the-street-just-became-a-hate-crime-in-this-county/
Anti feminist don't need propaganda, they just need to repost feminists 'achievements' for normal person to be completely disgusted.
>>81432834
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>>81433772
i know that feel
i get called an asshole cause i don't give my female coworkers the time of day and absolutely refuse to have anything to do with them or their projects.
>>81432834
No can do pal
>>81442573
>men wouldnt be able to do anything if I didnt get fucked LOL
Thats true, that's why that's all that we expect of you. It's all you're good for.
Equality is a practice. It is an action. It is a way of life. It is a social practice. It is an economic practice. It is a sexual practice. It can't exist in a vacuum. You can't have it in your home if, when the people leave the home, he is in a world of his supremacy based on the existence of his cock and she is in a world of humiliation and degradation because she is perceived to be inferior and because her sexuality is a curse.
This is not to say that the attempt to practice equality in the home doesn't matter. It matters, but it is not enough. If you love equality, if you believe in it, if it is the way you want to live--not just men and women together in a home, but men and men together in a home and women and women together in a home--if equality is what you want and what you care about, then you have to fight for the institutions that will make it socially real.
It is not just a matter of your attitude. You can't think it and make it exist. You can't try sometimes, when it works to your advantage, and throw it out the rest of the time. Equality is a discipline. It is a way of life. It is a political necessity to create equality in institutions. And another thing about equality is that it cannot coexist with rape. It cannot. And it cannot coexist with pornography or with prostitution or with the economic degradation of women on any level, in any way. It cannot coexist, because implicit in all those things is the inferiority of women.
I want to see this men's movement make a commitment to ending rape because that is the only meaningful commitment to equality. It is astonishing that in all our worlds of feminism and antisexism we never talk seriously about ending rape. Ending it. Stopping it. No more. No more rape.
>>81442573
>You can ask yourself that, men's plans wouldn't have been put into motion either without women.
Where? In what industry? If men would disappear, the world would immediatelly came to a crashing halt. If women, it would be easily salvageable, no critical parts would be in danger.
>>81440358
>I have an IQ of 146
>I'm so good girl
Can't even spell "comparable".
Btw, get back in the kitchen.
>>81432834
>no tits or GTFO
TITS OR GTFO PILLU
>>81442437
>Because I don't see any
Then you don't know any better.
>you don't become an executive chef without having ever cooked or cleaned a plate
And now you are blatantly twisting my words as well as showing your ignorance about reality.
Civil engineers study but do not need to be bricklayers themselves to have something built. See Emily Warren Roebling whom you have to thank for the completion of the Brooklyn Bridge.
>RRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE
>>81439921
Master of KeK
>>81442877
>implying I meant that
Why are you so obsessed with sex?
Stop being sexy. Especially you kids.
In the back of our minds, are we holding on to its inevitability as the last preserve of the biological? Do we think that it is always going to exist no matter what we do? All of our political actions are lies if we don't make a commitment to ending the practice of rape. This commitment has to be political. It has to be serious. It has to be systematic. It has to be public. It can't be self-indulgent.
The things the men's movement has wanted are things worth having. Intimacy is worth having. Tenderness is worth having. Cooperation is worth having. A real emotional life is worth having. But you can't have them in a world with rape. Ending homophobia is worth doing. But you can't do it in a world with rape. Rape stands in the way of each and every one of those things you say you want. And by rape you know what I mean. A judge does not have to walk into this room and say that according to statute such and such these are the elements of proof. We're talking about any kind of coerced sex, including sex coerced by poverty.
You can't have equality or tenderness or intimacy as long as there is rape, because rape means terror. It means that part of the population lives in a state of terror and pretends--to please and pacify you--that it doesn't. So there is no honesty. How can there be? Can you imagine what it is like to live as a woman day in and day out with the threat of rape? Or what it is like to live with the reality? I want to see you use those legendary bodies and that legendary strength and that legendary courage and the tenderness that you say you have in behalf of women; and that means against the rapists, against the pimps, and against the pornographers. It means something more than a personal renunciation. It means a systematic, political, active, public attack. And there has been very little of that.
>>81443673
thats a good looking trap
>>81439678
Keep us posted till you get v& senpai
GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW
>>81432834
Tl;dr
>>81432834
Cool story bruh.
>>81442974
Found this quote here, you cunt.
http://yquotes.com/andrea-dworkin/43886/
>>81443673
rape rape rape muh rape nobody can do anything because muh rape you know these good things well muh rape if you've ever looked at a woman without her consent muh rape, by the way MUH RAPE. sincerely every MUH RAPE i mean feminist ever
finland has been fast approaching leaf levels of shitposting lately
>>81443291
>have to thank for the completion of the Brooklyn Bridge.
Yeah because we know she's the one who mined the materials, transported them, cast them into shape, and assembled them.
Civilization is a collective effort of men that occasionally women play pretend to join in on.
They're totally unnecessary as human beings.
>>81441109
MENSA is for self important fags who need a special in-club to make them feel like their life is worth something, like you.
>>81435331
What's wrong with battle and combat? You women are different than men, to you, fights are to be avoided, but to a man, the fewer men left standing, the greater share of glory.
>>81432834
>we are very close to death
You have no idea.
>We are very close to death. All women are. And we are very close to rape and we are very close to beating.
QUICK, IMPORT MORE MUSLIMS
>>81443969
>Yeah because we know she's the one who mined the materials, transported them, cast them into shape, and assembled them
That's what the laborers did under her direction. Without her direction, no materials would have been mined, transported, casted into shape or assembled and the bridge would have been left unfinished. See? You do deny the credit of others.
I came here today because I don't believe that rape is inevitable or natural. If I did, I would have no reason to be here. Have you ever wondered why we are not just in armed combat against you? It's not because there's a shortage of kitchen knives in this country. It is because we believe in your humanity, against all the evidence.
We do not want to do the work of helping you to believe in your humanity. We cannot do it anymore. We have always tried. We have been repaid with systematic exploitation and systematic abuse. You are going to have to do this yourselves from now on and you know it.
The shame of men in front of women is, I think, an appropriate response both to what men do do and to what men do not do. I think you should be ashamed. But what you do with that shame is to use it as an excuse to keep doing what you want and to keep not doing anything else; and you've got to stop. You've got to stop. Your psychology doesn't matter. How much you hurt doesn't matter in the end any more than how much we hurt matters. If we sat around and only talked about how much rape hurt us, do you think there would have been one of the changes that you have seen in this country in the last fifteen years? There wouldn't have been.
As a feminist, I carry the rape of all the women I've talked to over the last ten years personally with me. As a woman, I carry my own rape with me. Do you remember pictures that you've seen of European cities during the plague, when there were wheelbarrows that would go along and people would just pick up corpses and throw them in? Well, that is what it is like knowing about rape. Piles and piles and piles of bodies that have whole lives and human names and human faces.
I speak for many feminists, not only myself, when I tell you that I am tired of what I know and sad beyond any words I have about what has already been done to women up to this point, now, up to 2:24pm on this day, here in this place.
>>81444319
Oh hey look it's the same Bulgarian whore from the last thread
Tits or gtfo
>>81444319
No, because she didn't really direct any of those things. Mining and everything else are their own separate industries.
>>81432834
You do realize that most men here will not change right? This is what /pol/ have chosen because women like you have gone too far. What do you really want from us men? Do you want to rule over men and enslave men because we hurt you women? Women like you are stubborn to listen to men because you feel like you are oppressed everyday? People have been oppressed in history, get over it? What a baby you are OP.
>>81444448
men have suffered 10x what woman have, have you forgotten every major war ever, you make me sick
I sincerely hope they put feminists on the front lines for no other reason than I can laugh while you die learning the hard way which sex is superior
>>81432834
Maybe you really are a women
> lots of words
> regurgitate others' thoughts
> Nothing original
> verbose, don't get to the point
> Pretentious language
> No proof you can do so much as make a sandwich
>>81443969
>Civilization is a collective effort of men that occasionally women play pretend to join in on.
Women tend to be busy with reproducing life and keeping the basics running. Men do not carry children, nor nurse, feed them, dress them.
Women do.
>>81438406
wtf? I hate rape now
>>81444757
and you know understand what your only useful role in life is welcome to pol
>>81444478
>she didn't really direct any of those things
She directed the construction of the bridge and all that such a thing involves. Of course mining and everything are their own separate industries but in relation to the construction of the Brooklyn Bridge, they happened because of her direction. Are you retarded?
>>81444757
>Men do not carry children, nor nurse, feed them, dress them.do not carry children, nor nurse, feed them, dress them
That's exactly what good fathers do.
>>81432834
tl;dr
>>81445003
Uh, no. The bridge would have been built without a cunt. It never would have been built without men. Are YOU retarded, you stupid bitch?
>>81444867
You contradict yourself there buddy
Women STFU if they understand their use
>>81445369
>The bridge would have been built without a cunt
History is it got built because she took the project into her hands and made it possible. It would have not been built without her. Why are you so mad at the historical accomplishments of this woman you have to deny them so bad?
>>81445096
I know /pol/ is retarded so I'll make sure you guys get what this post meant. Good fathers are those who carry, nurse, feed, dress and care for their children, rather than dumping them on someone else and ignoring their existence.
>>81444448
You can't hold the world on your shoulders, you have to decide who you can save and who you can't. That all depends on what you think can be done, given what resources you have available. My thing is this, your friends got raped- okay, what do you want us men to do about it exactly? Do we not have a justice system? Do we not have police? Do women not have a vote? - mind you I'm an American and don't know what your country is like.
My point is this, men will always seek out to exploit those who are weaker than they are. You are weaker than the men that raped you thus, you put yourself in that position of vulnerability and must accept the fact that you need to be a stronger or wiser person going forward.
But that's your issue to deal with, not ours as men all over the world. If you can't deal with your own problems, sounds like you need to find a man who will protect you, otherwise, get over it.
>>81445648
Nobody needs a woman if they need a bridge, it never was and never will be the case. Men will always be vital to every element of civilization, women cannot duplicate much of men's many roles, if any. Men can duplicate women's ONLY role.
>>81432834
WHITE MEN DO NOT RAPE YOU.
/pol/ DO NOT RAPE YOU.
WHITE NATIONALISTS DO NOT RAPE YOU.
THOSE WHO RAPE YOU ARE YOUR BELOVED SHITSKINS AND RAPEFUGEES.
>The power exercised by men day to day in life is power that is institutionalized. It is protected by law. It is protected by religion and religious practice. It is protected by universities, which are strongholds of male supremacy.
OH LOOK /pol/ WE ARE BEING TROLLED. TOPKEK.
>men do believe--that they have the right to rape.
SHITSKINS DO. NOT US. GTFO FUCKING BRAINDEAD WHORE
>sexual access to women; women as reproductive slaves; private ownership of women. That is the program of the Right.
THAT IS THE PROGRAM OF SHITSKIN ISLAMISTS YOU DUMB SLUT
Holy shit you deserve to be raped for being that stupid.
The day you'll get a brain just come back crawling and apologize for your stupidity please.
>>81445936
>it never was and never will be the case
Except for the Brooklyn Bridge? :^)
>women cannot duplicate much of men's many roles
Is that why they're half the workforce?
>>81446042
>THAT IS THE PROGRAM OF SHITSKIN ISLAMISTS
According to /pol/ that's the program of most right wingers as well.
>>81432834
You wouldnt be abused if you were someones wife back in the day. You would have a husband to prptect you.
>>81446060
>Is that why they're half the workforce?
As overrated button pressers who ask what your order is in a skimpy tabletop. What a contribution, ladies. Wow. Men couldn't possibly be able to remember what somebodies drink is
>>81446367
Except for when it's your husband who's abusing you I guess.
>>81446562
>his mind is so limited he can't even imagine a job above fast food
You're not employed aren't you.
Tits or gtfo
>>81446772
I work administration and customer service in an office full of women. Believe me, I'm aware how hilariously incompetent they are at what are some of the easiest, most comfortable fucking jobs that they by large choose to work in. If every woman in the workforce dropped out tomorrow I doubt there's be any significant change in the world.
>>81446181
/pol/ want good wives and to be good husbands.
How is that even related to the way sandniggers treat their women ? Please anon tell me.
We want traditional western families.
And in a traditional family, the men DO NOT DO DRUGS AND RAPE CHILDREN WHILE HIS WIFE DO EVERYTHING.
When the wife cooks, the husband repair the roof.
When the wife take care of the newborn, the husband teaches the teenager to shoot a rifle.
When the wife sings, the husband plays music to go with it.
WE ARE EQUALITY.
WE ARE WHAT THESE WOMEN PRETEND THEY CRAVE FOR.
BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN BELIEVE ROLES SHOULD BE "GENDER-RELATED". THE CELTS WOMEN USED TO TEACH SWORDFIGHT TO KIDS. MOST CHEFS ARE MEN. THERE ARE WOMEN IN THE CAR INDUSTRY. AND MEN IN FASHION.
AND IT'S FINE.
BUT FOR THESE WHORES, YOU ARE A SEXIST PIG IF SHE CANNOT TOY YOUR ASS WITH A DILDO WHILE CALLING YOU A SLUT AND TELLING YOU CHAD JAMAL AND TYRONE ARE MORE MANLY THAN YOU, BECAUSE... THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK AND JUST ARE JERKS.
THIS, THIS RIGHT THERE IS WHY THESE SLUTS SHOULD BE SHAMED.
THEY'RE NOT EVEN HUMAN. THEY HAVE ZERO PURPOSE. AND LIKE EVERY SUB SPECIE THAT DO, ALL THEY CAN DO IS TRY TO FUCK WITH RELEVANT FORMS OF LIFE.
SLUTS GTFO. FEMINISTS GTFO. GO CHOKE ON A BBC USELESS PIECES OF MEAT.
OP IS A WASTE OF AIR AND SPACE.
>>81432834
You deserve to be raped.
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>>81447304
good post i read it
>>81440358
>>81432980
You're absolutely right.
Nothing you say will get it back either, for its in our nature. Women are commodities, men are people.
>>81440358
>Wether you like it or not, females are comperable
>WETHER
>COMPERABLE
...NOT IN GRAMMAR THEN.
http://www.grammar-monster.com/easily_confused/weather_whether_wether.htm
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070511175407AAZMfy0
146 IQ GENTLEMEN.
>>81432834
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>>81438178
Nigga I'm not reading all that. What is the TL;DR
>>81447299
>I work administration and customer service in an office full of women
So you work retail and are low-level at it? Cool. I do IT in a office full of women too and my team is so compentent we're getting a raise because we're driving business good. I don't think you're aware of anything here..
>>81447304
>BECAUSE WE DON'T EVEN BELIEVE ROLES SHOULD BE "GENDER-RELATED"
Now now that's a blatant lie and you know it, /pol/ does nothing but push for women to be homemakers and criticized women who want to work and earn their own money.
>BUT FOR THESE WHORES, YOU ARE A SEXIST PIG IF SHE CANNOT TOY YOUR ASS WITH A DILDO WHILE CALLING YOU A SLUT AND TELLING YOU CHAD JAMAL AND TYRONE ARE MORE MANLY THAN YOU
That's something /r9k/ says. You know /r9k/ is other men right?
>>81448631
Why are you attempting to correct a troll's copypasta?
>>81448759
>Now now that's a blatant lie and you know it, /pol/ does nothing but push for women to be homemakers and criticized women who want to work and earn their own money.
There is a difference between a woman who do not want to fulfill her role in the family because MUH CAREER and a woman who wants to help sustain the family with a job.
The former is shit, the latter is fine.
If the spouse career is more important than the husband's career, she will dump him 80% of the time to go with a better man.
Which means a man she CANNOT be over.
WOMEN ARE WIRED TO DO SO.
>That's something /r9k/ says. You know /r9k/ is other men right?
What you think of them is irrelevant. Most of the lost souls there have dreams they could be married with a decent woman and live a happy life.
That's enough for me to consider their stance on the matter.
And I want one day of respite, one day off, one day in which no new bodies are piled up, one day in which no new agony is added to the old, and I am asking you to give it to me. And how could I ask you for less--it is so little. And how could you offer me less: it is so little. Even in wars, there are days of truce. Go and organize a truce. Stop your side for one day. I want a twenty-four-hour truce during which there is no rape.
I dare you to try it. I demand that you try it. I don't mind begging you to try it. What else could you possibly be here to do? What else could this movement possibly mean? What else could matter so much?
And on that day, that day of truce, that day when not one woman is raped, we will begin the real practice of equality, because we can't begin it before that day. Before that day it means nothing because it is nothing: it is not real; it is not true. But on that day it becomes real. And then, instead of rape we will for the first time in our lives--both men and women--begin to experience freedom.
If you have a conception of freedom that includes the existence of rape, you are wrong. You cannot change what you say you want to change. For myself, I want to experience just one day of real freedom before I die. I leave you here to do that for me and for the women whom you say you love.
>>81432834
It's not us raping you. It's the filthy muslim barbarians who think raping you is their divine right. Flay then and feed them their cocks until you have none of them left and see where your rape rate lands.
>>81449490
>There is a difference between a woman who do not want to fulfill her role in the family because MUH CAREER and a woman who wants to help sustain the family with a job
>fulfill her role
There is no role, there is only self-determination. One determines what her role is and if career for her is more fulfilling, then that is what she should do. Chances are along her career she will meet a man of equal upper standing in society to live a better life with than if she had stayed poor through her life.
>If the spouse career is more important than the husband's career, she will dump him 80% of the time to go with a better man
Sounds logical to me to want to be with a better man rather than a worse one, though I think my parameters for "better" don't exactly coincide with yours. Then again I was lucky I found the best right away.
>Most of the lost souls there have dreams they could be married with a decent woman and live a happy life
The fact they whine about women not being the subservient empty waifus the want, but rather women having mind and wants of their own triggers them is enough for me to see through their bullshit.
>>81432834
>a feminist, like myself
at this point i realized its bait and should stop reading, but i kept going
bad idea
>>81448743
tl;dr version:
absolutely nothing
just a woman complaining that her life is harder than males but trying to use philosophical wordings
>>81450507
What the fucking fuck you yammering on about, Henrikki
Sauce the pic, end the vodka bottle, go to bed
>>81432834
Women are natural human resource. 100 women can be impregnated by one man in a single year and bear children, 1 woman can't be impregnated by 100 men in a year. That's why women are protected and men don't need to be preserved as much as women. Takes one man but a hundred women. simple math finland friend
