attention NATSOC explain Venezuela
>>79795124
It only works with white people
>>79795124
Hitler's socialism is different from Marx's.
>Hitler's views on economics, beyond his early belief that the economy was of secondary importance, are a matter of debate. On the one hand, he proclaimed in one of his speeches that "we are socialists, we are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system",[13] but he was clear to point out that his interpretation of socialism "has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism," saying that "Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not."[14] At a later time, Hitler said: "Socialism! That is an unfortunate word altogether...
>What does socialism really mean? If people have something to eat and their pleasures, then they have their socialism."[12] In private, Hitler also said that "I absolutely insist on protecting private property... we must encourage private initiative".[15] On yet another occasion he qualified that statement by saying that the government should have the power to regulate the use of private property for the good of the nation.[16]
>Shortly after coming to power, Hitler told a confidant: "There is no license any more, no private sphere where the individual belongs to himself. That is socialism, not such trivial matters as the possibility of privately owning the means of production. Such things mean nothing if I subject people to a kind of discipline they can't escape...What need have we to socialize banks and factories? We socialize human beings".[17]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Nazi_Germany
>>79795124
protip: a large state can only try to provide for people the way people will naturally provide for themselves/the starving. the state can never keep up with industry or voluntary charity and will always hinder it
It only works in homogeneous populations that give a shit about their population
no one gives a shit about anyone anymore
>>79795308
that was hitlers interpretation but once you open the floodgates there is no turning back, it may be stable under a great leader but how can it last centuries or even generations?
>>79795208
First post, best post.
Larry wilmore is a cunt, who deserves to inhale silica powder until he dies from silicosis.
>>79795438
so it cant work?
What does NatSoc have anything to do with Venezuela, you retarded Burger?
>>79795506
i disagree for a stable system it should be stable under any moral agents but i agree with the second part
>>79795124
>Hugo Chavez
>Nicolas Maduro
What else needs to be said?
>>79795524
socialism is socialism is socialism once you justify it it sets the precedent for any of its related forms
>>79795594
so a system should be dependent on the character of its leaders? eventually any system will get shitty leadership the point is to set government up so nobody can fuck it up
>>79795683
>national socialism
>marx socalism
>>79795771
>so a system should be dependent on the character of its leaders?
A totalitarian one is. And when those leaders are people like Chavez and Maduro, what do you expect?
>>79795787
todays republican is a 70s democrat
> politics dont shift to the left when given the chance
>>79795683
>Niggers are people
>This logic
>>79795888
im saying any big government will fail eventually ESPECIALLY totalitarian ones
>>79795904
National Socialism hasn't gone more left
>>79795968
refer to >>79795904
Marxism focusses on class struggle and gibs me dat.
National socialism unifies all the classes under the nation towards a common goal: prosperity of the nation as a whole. Doesn't apply to jew parasites.
>>79795998
the ideology never changes obviously you fucking idiot if we were talking ideology everyone would be a communist im talking about practical application
>>79795488
Nazi Germany had one of the strongest free market economies in the world until around 1942 when Speer started instituting wartime controls. Even up until 1944 Germany had less restrictions on companies producing for the civilian market than the Allies.
So yeah, Fascism =/= socialism
>>79796109
Still, NS isn't the same as Marxist socialism
>>79795488
>how can it last centuries or even generations?
It can't. No country will ever reach a status of an "utopia" until they get some sort of great leader and some way or another make him immortal.
It is very unlikely someone will ever reach the same status as the same great leader that was ruling the country. Unless you turn the land into a "Brave New World" dystopia, it will never last forever.
>>79796079
>one ideology unifies people for a common goal
> but my perfect ideology unifies people for a slightly different goal
how is it not abundantly clear that any totalitarian system is trash
Who is this black turtle penis motherfucker I see posted here?
No I won't Google image search.
>>79796190
but speer did institute wartime controls any system that gives people the philosophy to control will eventually lead to more controls
>>79795124
Venezuala based their economy on a single thing, of all things a natural resource, of all things a non-renewable one. That and the rampant corruption is why it failed.
>>79795124
Could be a strong economic partner because of the oil.
Venezuela is destabilized by the Zionists.
They want US to buy oil from Saudi Arabia and they put 20 military bases close to it to also protect Israel.
>>79796193
I FUCKING KNOW
> MY PERFECT INFALLIBLE VERSION HASNT BEEN TRIED YET
>>79796190
I'm going to need a source for this
>>79795514
Yes, if you would like to learn about the true form of ideal socialism, read Plato's The Republic.
Even in homogeneous populations, it does not work, because it concentrates too much power into too few people.
>>79796330
corruption infects every socialism if not now then in 100 years its fallible because it gives some control
>>79796424
>IDEAL
stopped reading at
>IDEAL
>>79796552
Why?
ITT: faggot cucks try in vain to defend their socialist hero with a tiny, mutilated penis.
>>79796663
IF I HAVE TO EXPLAIN WHY EVERY BOOK EVER WRITTEN DOESNT PERFECTLY FIT INTO SOCIETY THEN YOU ARE TOO FAR GONE WITHIN YOUR OWN FAITH IN YOUR IDEAS TO BE REASONED WITH
>>79796234
What is the end goal of marxism? The pursuit of the well being of the 99% by forcing wealth redistribution by robbing the rich 1%. All without taking in consideration that even if you manage to do such thing, giving money to dumb people will not stop them from being dumb and wasting it.
National socialism has the same goal but, on the other hand, does not merely pursue wealth redistribution. It is more pragmatic. It focuses on hard work as a mean to reach individual independence from the contraints of being a retarded welfare nigger.
So yes, both have the same goal but one is fundamentally flawed in its approach.
>>79797080
I'm not sure why you're so angry, I clearly stated that socialism does not work later in that same post.
It's a given that an ideal society cannot exist, as there are no ideal human beings to inhabit or govern it.
>>79796786
>mei
>korean
>>79797206
wow i totally misread the first 3/4 of that post and ignored the last part my apologies here is a meme
>>79797105
both are because they assume one group of people can help another to be independent
They cant.
Same eat lolbertarians can't explain roads.
Capitalism is just better. Even the chinks realized it
>>79797560
>libertarians cant explain roads
lurk more
>>79795488
Hayek was actually kind of a fascist himself. Like most capitalists he gave up his alleged belief in freedom in order to protect his precious ideology via authoritarian rule. Pretty ironic.
>>79795208
Isn't that what everyone says with their idealogy?
>>79797484
>both are because they assume one group of people can help another to be independent
Are you implying that your parents didn't take care of you and taught you how to be an independent person?
I don't think that's true. I agree that taking someone by the hand will never allow them to become independent, but that doesn't mean that you can't help them.
You can teach a man how to fish instead of just feeding them, after all.
>>79795124
>venezuela
>>79797727
> attacking the person instead of the philosophy or logic
classic progressive
>>79797733
Doesn't mean it's not true. White people can make most of the ideologies work. Some are still vastly better than others though.
>>79798031
>implying that I am a progressive
National Socialism isn't Marxist socialism, dumbfuck.
>>79797966
natural social states (family) =/= government regulation (nanny state)
also people learn to fish without govt assistance every day
>>79798150
i just assumed because every progressive i know if they are confronted they will just start pointing out how one conservative was evil one time and bring up pinoche and shit lol
>>79798164
> le my specific form of utopian ideology hasnt been tried yet
>>79795124
Germany didn't have the controls on foreign capital that Venezuela has. Venezuela has sanctions on money leaving the country whereas Germany just swallowed up other nations.
>>79797105
This too. Venezuela failed because the people weren't given incentive to work and improve.
>natsoc
>seizing the means of production
>>79798510
national socialism has nothing to do with seizing the means of production for the government
It just means enacting pro nationalist economic policies with private ownership of the means of production, the exact opposite of Venezuela.
>>79798902
the German government didn't own the means of production and forcibly turn the economy into being based around a single commodity (oil)
>>79797975
this
the nazis never seized the means of production
the worst they ever did was take some jew banks, and for good reasons
>>79799650
Yep. Germany only had caps on how much one could earn and how they could spend it. They didn't go full retard.
>>79795124
What is there to explain, they don't have a border or a single race.
>>79800685
They aren't a nation nor a state, so why does this socialism fail?
Because there is no people to socialize, you don't have one but many and each with differences.
