Tell me, Anarcho-Capitalists, how could your society last for more than five minutes?
>How do you think private police are a good idea?
>How would the poor function in your society?
>Who would make the Laws?
>Who would enforce the Laws if the police need to be paid directly?
>Who would defend your property from take-over?
>What would stop a rich person hoovering up the police for himself and strong-arming the rest of you?
>>79853688
Well, police forces will be corporations. So the nicer neighborhoods get a better and. ore expensive force, cause they paid more.
Can you prove taxation is not theft? You can't disqualify something because you don't know things about it.
Private police forces would in theory be competing with each other, therefore you could dole out community contracts and treat them as competing athletes.
They wouldn't, at least not the very poor, be productive or fuck off. Charity exists btw, if someone productive falls on hard times, communities can raise money.
Communities could agree on them, anybody passing into the community would forego rights XYZ agreed by the community
Police, that's why they're paid.
Community and individuals
The ability to leave, put community pressure or outright apply community justice in lynching him.
I'm not an ancap, I believe everything they want can be achieved with a libertarian state, but it's not hard to take apart hypotheticals.
>>79853688
>Tell me, Anarcho-Capitalists, how could your society last for more than five minutes?
By actually having potatoes to eat.
>>79853860
So...would there just be, like, one universal police force or would there just be loads of different companies of police?
Again, what's to stop the rich buying them off and leaving the poor with nothing?
At least with public police, all classes pay into it through taxes.
>>79853940
>Can you prove taxation is not theft?
Sure thing cuck. You don't have to pay taxes at all, you can move to a different country that doesn't have any tax.
Enjoy living on a deserted island in the ocean.
>>79854158
You didn't prove taxation isn't theft, you just gave a """""solution""""" to a consequence of the problem.
>>79853995
>implying the police forces wouldn't work together to set up a monopoly similar to current cable or internet providers in america
>implying charity would cover even the amount of poor we have now, let alone the amount of poor there would be without worker's protections
>implying it'd be great to let communities go 'hey let's make a law to shit on [marginalized minority here]'
>implying they'd do anything other than let the criminals do what they want in exchange for bribes
>implying people would go out of their way for each other regularly
>implying you'd be able to lynch him after he has all the police he bribed guarding him
>>79854231
It's not theft because you enjoy the benefits received via paying it, like a military to protect you, protection under the laws provided by the government and upheld by them, and access to public utilities like roads, schools, fire control, etc.
>>79854231
If you are so dense to actually believe that taxation is theft there is nothing to talk about here.
Libertarians are more cucked than democrats.
>>79853995
>Private police forces would in theory be competing with each other, therefore you could dole out community contracts and treat them as competing athletes.
That just seems incredibly awkward. Would people have to shell out cash for police to investigate a rape? What if that person's wallet was robbed?
>They wouldn't, at least not the very poor, be productive or fuck off.
But what if you're disabled? I mean, I'm all for private charity in a Conservative society, but it can't always be relied upon to provide consistent monetary aid.
>Communities could agree on them, anybody passing into the community would forego rights XYZ agreed by the community
That sounds awfully like the 'gun-free zones' thing that Liberals always go on about. How can they be effective? Criminals are going to break the Law anyway.
>Police, that's why they're paid.
But they need to be paid directly, correct? Again, what if a robbery occurs where someone loses their money?
>Community and individuals
People are assholes. This assumes people will be willing to help you themselves, or even won't be the ones taking your property.
>The ability to leave, put community pressure or outright apply community justice in lynching him.
But if he practically owns the police then there isn't much you can do, is there?
>>79854377
I didn't ask for the government to do such things, I didn't sign any contract and I didn't partake in any decision. If I deny paying taxes, I go to jail, if I resist going to jail, I'm killed. It's a modern version of slavery. I have no choice but to pay.
Besides, all the services the government offers, it can be offered by the private initiative with higher quality and competing prices.
>>79854609
Not an argument.
>>79853688
Roads?
>>79853688
>How do you think private police are a good idea?
Competition, the ones that provide the market with what they want for the best price will tend to succeed, if what people desire is guarantees that said police force is not oppressive then the ones giving transparency and some kind of insurance against their behaviour would win out.
>How would the poor function in your society?
They would get jobs like everyone else or starve. Or they'd be supported by family/friends/charities.
>Who would make the Laws?
Free market laws, David Friedman talks about this at length and free market laws are perfectly plausible.
>Who would enforce the Laws if the police need to be paid directly?
Dispute resolution organisations (among many other names) would be law enforcement businesses which there would be a free market off and would deal with resolving issues on your behalf.
>Who would defend your property from take-over?
You and whoever you paid to assist.
>What would stop a rich person hoovering up the police for himself and strong-arming the rest of you?
The free market, if there's a market desire for police that aren't suseptible to the rich buying them out then it would appear as a service, basic demand->supply
>>79853940
Because it's put to use for things that would be too impractical in private hands, like roads or police.
Strong Corporations would get a larger police force to enforce their own laws, monopolize multiple sectors of society, and in the end itll become a dictatorship ruled by a single corporation with control over all aspects of life so basically itll lead to fascism.
>>79854231
>its theft because I said so and I don't wanna pay it and they're doing it anyway.
>People will just volunteer out of the bottom of their hearts and donate money to the government even though that will NEVER work and never has worked and theres no evidence of it working
>>79854708
>I didn't ask for the government to do such things,
Well, guess what buddy, the rest of us did. Government needs to have a small role in the economy.
Police, roads and firefighters are much better in government hands.
>>79853688
>Tell me, Anarcho-Capitalists, how could your society last for more than five minutes?
Mine has lasted since the fall of communism in the 90's m8. Works fine. Now give me your watch or I'll shoot you.
>How do you think private police are a good idea?
You can pay them lot's of cash to ignore crimes. It's wonderful.
>How would the poor function in your society?
They would be used for rape and doing things we normal people don't want too.
>Who would make the Laws?
Does it matter? I mean.. Everything is private right? Might as well just be judged by my cousin or brother in law. They paid for their decrees and are now lawyer and prosecutor. They'll get me out. Nemas problemas m8.
>Who would enforce the Laws if the police need to be paid directly?
Enforce laws? I don't understand... You mean like making sure they're followed? Heh... Well, if you wanna an Hero you can always try.
>Who would defend your property from take-over?
The Mafia or other local street gangs. Or my private army that i just bought from Xe (Blackwater).
>What would stop a rich person hoovering up the police for himself and strong-arming the rest of you?
The Mafia. See? It works out.
I live in the most privatized nation in Europe. AMA.
Also Armenian Genocide never happened and Please return Istanbul you filthy Turks and Diversity is our greatest strength™
>>79854722
Roads are better in government hands.
>>79854747
>The free market, if there's a market desire for police that aren't suseptible to the rich buying them out then it would appear as a service, basic demand->supply
Thats not an answer at all thats extremely prone to corruption
>yea I need a policeman that isn't corrupt
>oh yea I'm your "not corrupt policeman" gimme your money
>money is paid
>ok
>well are you going to enforce the law?
>no I don't see any crime here
>>79854772
>>79855028
Private companies already build roads, private companies plan roads and private companies secure the exchange of money to finance such roads.
There are security companies all over the world. Private companies sell arms, equipment, and in some cases, even training for state police.
>>79854859
It's theft because it's forced upon me and if I deny it, I get kidnapped by a gang (state).
>>79854939
Then let me opt out.
>>79853688
>How do you think private police are a good idea?
They work in South Africa
>>How would the poor function in your society?
>Ancap
>Poor
>>Who would make the Laws?
Land owners
>>Who would enforce the Laws if the police need to be paid directly?
Through violence
>>Who would defend your property from take-over?
People with property and mercenaries
>>What would stop a rich person hoovering up the police for himself and strong-arming the rest of you?
Nothing. But there are lots of rich people,that would compete against him and it is way more expensive to pay mercs,than to just trade crap
>>79855157
sell armaments*
>>79855157
>It's theft because it's forced upon me and if I deny it, I get kidnapped by a gang (state).
So exactly what I said "Its theft because I don't wanna pay it even though I reap the benefits of it"
A government needs money to run, the people that work for the government don't work for free
>>79854747
> if there's a market desire for police that aren't suseptible to the rich buying them out
Except they work for profit so that's a huge assumption.
Companies get bought out all the time by other companies and the rich in the private sector.
>>79855285
>I reap the benefits of it
I didn't choose to reap the benefits, either.
>A government needs money to run, the people that work for the government don't work for free
So there must be a government because if there is no government, there is no government?
Kek.
>>79855157
>>79855028
>>79854722
The reason government infrastructure like roads and railways is superior to private built one is because it's meant to support an Army at war, a logistical nightmare that no corporation would ever have to go plan for let alone go through.
>>79855403
>I didn't choose to reap the benefits, either.
>Well I didn't wanna reap those benefits even though I do
>lemme opt out of paying for the services I use.
Every country has a government, Hell the anarchy that happened in Spain for a mere 10 years didn't last at all in the midst of all that chaos.
You just magically think if you take the head off a dog he'll keep running around because he didn't require it to keep everything organized
>>79854093
>Again, what's to stop the rich buying them off and leaving the poor with nothing?
Then a new police force will come to provide for the poor who will be paying less for the police force. You can either have one rich man or a bunch of poor men, in the end money is still money and there will still be police.
>>79855157
>Private companies already build roads, private companies plan roads and private companies secure the exchange of money to finance such roads.
Yeah, but isn't it better that the government builds them because everyone pays into the roads through taxes? What about local roads that need repairing? Often, local politicians get elected on the promise of fixing local roads, but a private company could just corner the market in that respect.
Now, I know the free market works for other things, but the building of roads isn't exactly a service that needs to be continuously done like housing or healthcare.
>>79855580
>this is normal, so it must be the right thing
>>79853688
I see 0 arguments ITT
>>79855666
>my thinking is contrary therefore I'm right even though I can't figure out how all that'll work
>>79855666
Anarchy has existed before, and it was defeated by Nations and Empires that had governments, even when on equal technological footing.
>>79855625
> who will be paying less for the police force.
But
They
Will
Be
Working
For
Profit
Where's the incentive?
Rich people buy superior healthcare compared to the poor all the time. There's no reason to think it won't happen here too.
>>79853688
>How do you think private police are a good idea?
The state is just one big company right now.
>How would the poor function in your society?
Poors don't function in any society, that's why they are poor
>Who would make the Laws?
Nobody, local people will create and enforce their own rules based on their way of governance
>Who would enforce the Laws if the police need to be paid directly?
Police forces would be paid like security forces are today, based on their prestations
>Who would defend your property from take-over?
Yourself
>What would stop a rich person hoovering up the police for himself and strong-arming the rest of you?
A concurrent police would soon appear with better prestation
>>79853688
Where are the recreational nukes?
>>79855829
Also what incentive will there be for the police to fight organized crime.
And what incentive is there to stop them from creating a monopoly via force.
>>79855737
I already proved taxation is theft. Your argument is that it brings me benefits, which I also proved I didn't ask for either, and I have no way to opt out. If I move out, sooner or later a government will overthrow my sovereignty. Then you argue that it's the right thing because it's what you're used to all your life.
>>79855837
>>Who would defend your property from take-over?
>Yourself
What's one man against an armed group, retard?
>>79855991
>I already proved taxation is theft.
No you didn't you just said "I don't wanna pay it because they forced it on me and I wanna opt out even though I reap the benefits of said tax paid services"
>I proved I didn't ask for
what a non-statement this is, "Well I said it therefore it is" this isn't an argument at all
>>79855837
Thanks chosen people of KEK.
>>79856090
according to an ancap, you should have done the obvious "gitgud" and hire an equally sized force to stop them, and if you can't pay for it thats your fault because you're bad
>>79855554
Life in Romania.
>>79856090
Nobody prevents you to create a milicia in your community, how do you think tribes did during centuries.
>>79856090
If you are worried about a group of people taking over your property, you have several options. Just because YOU can't figure out how or can't think of a solution, doesn't justify a group of people to use coercion and violence against people to take their property.
>>79856120
It's not that I don't WANT TO, it's that I can't OPT OUT of it. If I don't pay taxes, I get thrown in jail, and if I resist going to jail, I get killed. It's literally slavery. Just because the master gives food to the slave doesn't mean he should be a slave.
>>79853995
>Sir can I borrow five dollars to buy some food
>WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ON MY PROPERTY GET THE FUCK OUT N A P
>you're promptly shot for violating the NAP and people gather around your now bullet ridden body muttering "nap, nap, nap"
>atleast the roads are completely free of potholes you think, as you bleed out
>such is life in the ancap utopia
>>79854158
Paying your taxes is the most cuck thing you can do next to tipping. Keep being an "upstanding American citizen" though, proud little cuck. Little patriot cuck, little government cuck.
>>79856380
Options like what?
What, do you think one guy with a gun isn't going to be taken over by a group with guns?
It's this ridiculous idea of "if I'm nice to people, they'll respect my property rights even though there's no state whatsoever to protect it."
You AnCaps are just like Socialists in your stupid thinking.
>>79856380
>It's not that I don't WANT TO, it's that I can't OPT OUT of it. If I don't pay taxes, I get thrown in jail, and if I resist going to jail, I get killed. It's literally slavery. Just because the master gives food to the slave doesn't mean he should be a slave.
It really sounds like your only "argument" if you can call it that is "I don't wanna pay for it, I wanna opt out and its theft because I said so"
Yea and I don't wanna pay my property taxes either but I also want my kid to go to school and not live in a town dump. So while I disdain paying my property taxes those taxes I reap the benefits of paying for town utilities, municipality services like garbage, water and sewer, schools, etc.
>its literally slavery
in your magical paradise ancap world if you also don't work or choose to pay for things you need or what ever you'll die just the same and by your own shitty non-argument you'll be just as much a slave to the system as you apparently already are. Because somehow you have absolutely no liberty because you didn't get what you wanted abstractly
>>79856494
Kek.
>>79855157
>opt out
>someone already posted move to some fucking island in the middle of nowhere
>for some reason that doesn't count
The government owns the land you're on buddy, and that means you follow their laws. Sorry you don't want to accept the contract, please leave.
>>79855829
I'm not an ancap. But what I meant by them paying less is that of course the poor will get shittier police protection. But instead of it being every individual house, it'll most likely be some shit about crime insurance, or some part of a deal within the purchase of the house.
But then again shit like this is the reason I turned away from anarcho capitalism.
>>79853688
No more different than an anarcho-anything society, including that specific form of gommunizm that's never been tried.
>>79856651
>This gang wants to take my property.
>I know! I'll get another gang to take someone else's property and use it to pay for mine!
>>79856657
If I do want to pay for something, it has to be by CHOICE and completely voluntarily, otherwise it's immoral (theft, slavery, etc). Your one and only argument is that there are benefits to it. It's like saying:
>the master gives you food, you should be thankful that you are a slave!
>the rapist gave you a baby, didn't you always want a baby?
Like there is no other option to eat or procreate than to be a slave or raped.
BUT THERE IS an alternative, which is the voluntary exchange of goods and services.
>>79857231
Like I ALREADY POSTED HERE but you are too stupid and fat to read: I could move out to somewhere else, but it doesn't last, because like history has shown time after time, a government sooner or later will take over my sovereignty by force.
Ancapism isn't about giving everyone a solution to their problem, it's about letting each one decide what is the best solution for themselves.
Forcing one group of people to sack another group of people for your own benefits isn't logical, it's illogical and immoral.
>>79857529
>I know! I'll get another gang to take someone else's property and use it to pay for mine!
You're assuming everyone can just get their own personal fucking gang. Can you just walk out onto the street right now and form a gang? Go on, try it!
>>79857529
>BUT THERE IS an alternative, which is the voluntary exchange of goods and services.
You can't pick and choose when you want to have something and not pay for it.
Your metaphors are completely irrelevant and contrary to the point, you're just shifting to other garbage comparisons because you don't actually have a reasonable argument beyond your fee fees.
You complain about the system you live in, you want to not pay for the system but you still reap the benefits of the system and you magically think your liberty is compromized when you don't like something but you still have it somewhere else even though you are STILL a slave to the same system you advertise that was keeping you down will somehow let you free. Kind of ironic really because you almost seem hateful of the system paying for things that you don't wanna pay for but will end up paying someone else for because something changed even though nothing did.
You'll die the same slave as you did before except you'll be paying someone else for it.
>>79857940
I was making fun of your argument, not making an argument for gangs.
>>79857426
Crime insurance sounds very shaky. I mean, insurance companies usually try to find reasons not to pay out anyway.
>>79857997
But thats exactly what your system devolves to as if its immune to corruption.
>>79857997
But you've just made fun of your own argument.
You've just reinforced my point that one guy isn't going to be able to do much against a gang of criminals wanting to take his property.
>>79858065
The same way they do today and 10 years ago
HMO's used to drop coverage to people because they had genetic diseases under the guise of "well you technically had this disease since you were born even if you discovered it now"
>>79858291
You'd also lose coverage if you had a disease before and if you changed jobs or changed insurances you'd instantly lose coverage for that disease under a preexisting condition.
>>79857989
Are you trolling? I have said time after time in my replies that I want to pay for the things I want but VOLUNTARILY, not THROUGH FORCE. Your argument is shit because YOU imply that there are benefits, which is not even an objective argument. You can't define what benefits me or not. YOU are the one making shit comparisons because you think what benefits you will benefit me, and such it justify me being taxed. Let's say if it justifies someone to have government funded abortions, I have to partake in it? In fact, you are the one moving the goal posts, because you cite the things that benefit you for having a government, but other people say what they want from the government, and so on, when the right thing to do is let me choose which services and from who I pay for it. I don't wish to REAP from your shitty government, I want to pay other individuals for them VOLUNTARILY.
>>79858100
>>79858253
I can opt out of paying a company and pay for another. I can't opt out of government because they force me to use their service.
>>79857529
>I can't do this because I'll get my shit kicked in later because I have no friends of my own
>implying that wouldn't happen in your magical ancap society as well
Sounds to me like you're angry you're just a tiny gear in a big machine like literally 99.9% of humanity, mate. Sorry for your luck!
>>79858569
>>79858521
I never made a comparison. You somehow rationalize that if you voluntarily pay for the same service you're already getting and the same service that if you don't pay for you'll die to doesn't make you the same slave you apparently are now.
Thats not an argument, you want to opt out of services you reap the benefits of because of your fee fees hurting and thats even less of an argument than your above shit.
>>79858521
>I can opt out of paying a company and pay for another. I can't opt out of government because they force me to use their service.
But anon, you're going to be paying for it anyway so the same result is achieved.
You're just mad because you don't get to sign a consent form when you pay.
>>79858693
>I have no actual argument because I refuse to put in the effort and time to claim my own land and defend it from those who would take it, even at the expense of my own life
>Let me bitch and moan about being unable to even support my beliefs in any real way other than shitposting on a right wing imageboard for neets
>>79853860
The best way of doing things would probably be to band together as a state, and all agree to pay a set amount of money to establish and sustain some sort of state-wide police department.
>>79858521
>I can opt out of paying a company and pay for another.
I'll name off some shit you'll never get out of paying for
You'll never get out of paying the same company for water because its so extremely unlikely for multiple water companies to all prop up and start feeding you multiple sources of water
Its also heavily unlikely you'll pay anyone else for electricity for similar reasons above running multiple lines all over the place would look like a cob web.
you'll probably never get away from paying for a different sewer company since thats on par with water pipes.
With the way the internet service providers are now and your geography you'll have no choice on your internet either for the same reasons as electricity.
You probably won't get away with paying a different company to take your trash away either as retarded as it'd be
So yea, please find a country that alleviates all public services, munincipalities and shit for private infrastructure that isn't already making an oligopoly out of itself
>>79853688
At least Libertarians are known to advocate for non-violence, unlike the Left and its foremost member, Yvette Felarca.
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> Just last June Ms. Gratz filed a report with Detroit police accusing Luke Massie, national chairman of the activist group By Any Means Necessary, of displaying a knife during a heated confrontation outside a state civil rights meeting. "It was one of several attempts to either intimidate me or attack my character," she said yesterday in an interview after a speech she gave at the National Association of Scholars meeting in Boston. She said Mr. Massie had a knife in his right pants pocket and toyed with it, pulling it halfway out of his pants but not drawing its blade. Mr. Massie denies the allegation.
>>79853688
Wow, it really made me think
>>79853940
>Can you prove "Something" is not "Something
No fuck you I can't.
It's up to you to prove that it is this way.
For example, can you prove that there are no invisible undetectable dicks fucking your face right now?
If I make a statement like that you don't need to disprove it, I need to prove that its true.
WUB BOUT MUH ROADS HUH???
HERE, I POST LE SNAKE MEME, LIBERTARIANS BTFO AMIRITE?? XDD
>>79859090
>still spamming this shit in every thread
>>79858705
>>79858820
Like I already said in the other posts but you are willingly choosing to ignore: IF, and ONLY IF, an individual wants something, this individual has to pay for it BY CHOICE. With a government, there is no choice. You saying that "I'm going to pay for it anyways so there is no difference" is not argument because you literally can't tell what each individual wants for themselves.
>>79859041
Competing water/energy/sewer/roads/school/security companies already exist. The difference is that the government monopolizes it in most countries for its own benefit. Also learn the difference of government monopoly and natural/excellence monopoly.
>>79859255
I already did in the other posts, but I'll do it for you: I didn't sign a contract, but taxes are forced upon me. If I choose not to pay for them, I go to jail, and if I refuse going to jail, I'm killed. Taxation is theft, and coercion is immoral.
>>79859341
> LIBERTARIANS
I said Anarcho-Capitalists. Being a social Conservative myself, I have my own personal issues with Libertarians, but they're far more rational than AnCaps.
>>79859501
>because you literally can't tell what each individual wants for themselves.
Police, military, firefighters and roads aren't 'wants', they're needs.
We do want them, but we also need them. Everyone in society needs roads, and we all need a military. Firefighters and police are more situational, but it's doubtful you're going to go your entire life without needing them for something.
>>79859501
>Competing water/energy/sewer/roads/school/security companies already exist.
No they don't
Water and energy and sewers are all public municipalities owned by a town or state. Hence why you pay a tax on those services already.
>The difference is that the government monopolizes it in most countries for its own benefit. Also learn the difference of government monopoly and natural/excellence monopoly.
This isn't an argument because you're somehow justifying other monopolies while condemning government owned services
This morning I was awoken by my alarm clock powered by electricity generated by the public power monopoly regulated by the US department of energy. I then took a shower in the clean water provided by the municipal water utility. After that, I turned on the TV to one of the FCC regulated channels to see what the national weather service of the national oceanographic and atmospheric administration determined the weather was going to be like using satellites designed, built, and launched by the national aeronautics and space administration. I watched this while eating my breakfast of US department of agriculture inspected food and taking the drugs which have been determined as safe by the food and drug administration.
At the appropriate time as regulated by the US congress and kept accurate by the national institute of standards and technology, I get into my national highway traffic safety administration approved automobile and set out to work on the roads build by the local, state, and federal departments of transportation, possibly stopping to purchase additional fuel of a quality level determined by the environmental protection agency, using legal tender issued by the federal reserve bank. On the way out the door I deposit any mail I have to be sent out via the US postal service and drop the kids off at the public school.
After spending another day not being maimed or killed at work thanks to the workplace regulations imposed by the department of labor, enjoying another two meals which again do not kill me because of the USDA, I drive my NHTSA car back home on the DOT roads, to my house which has not burned down in my absence because of the state and local building codes and fire marshal’s inspection, and which has not been plundered of all its valuables thanks to the local police department.
I then log on to the internet which was developed by the defense advanced research projects administration and post about how ANCAP is GREAT because TAXES are THEFT.
>>79854279
>>79856494
>>79854690
All these responses to a leaf
>>79853688
>laws
no laws if you wanna do heroin go for it bro
>enforce laws
no laws
>property from take over
militias and the right to bear arms
>how would the poor function
they would get a job or die a worthless piece of shit
>How do you think private police are a good idea?
Well, there would be no police brutality or oppression from police because people would sue them in court and the private police companies would probably lose millions of dollars due to lawsuits. They are incentivized to be fair by the free market something that does not happen with state police.
>How would the poor function in your society?
The poor that exist in an An-Cap society would be poor by choice. Minimum wage laws wouldn't exist so unskilled workers could bargain/negotiate with employers for their own wage. Better unskilled workers would get paid more than lazy unskilled workers.
>Who would make the Laws?
Why do we need laws? This is why an-cap is impossible in today's society...too many people (like you) are too retarded to function without the authority of the state.
>Who would enforce the Laws if the police need to be paid directly?
What laws? The only thing that would exist in an an-cap society are property rights..which means you have free reign to protect your own property. There is no need for a police force.
>Who would defend your property from take-over?
One of the goals of an an-cap society is that everyone has a basic understanding of property rights and the principle of nonaggression.
>What would stop a rich person hoovering up the police for himself and strong-arming the rest of you?
There is no state this makes no sense. If poor people couldn't afford to purchase private police they could form their own militias to protect their private property.
Why do liberals fail to use their brain?
>>79859791
Prove they are inherently human needs.
>>79859798
Yes, they do. Just because you can't have competing companies for those services in the United Cuckstan of America it doesn't mean it doesn't exist anywhere else. Also, it is an argument to condemn government owned services because they are paid for with stolen money, which is the basis of my original argument.
>>79854722
people who own the land can build roads and charge money to cross.
if there is a cheaper and faster road the other guy will have to improve his road making travel more and more efficient
>>79859798
>This isn't an argument because you're somehow justifying other monopolies while condemning government owned services
It's basically "This authoritative figure tells me what to do, I don't like being told what to do." He doesn't see corporations as authorities, if he did he would be bitching on the other side of the coin.
>>79859972
>implying the police wouldn't pay off the courts or use private arbitration like corporations already do to fuck over the consumer
>implying minimum wage wouldn't be 'you can maybe afford the bare minimum needed to not stare to death or die of of exposure instantly
>implying workers don't need safety laws, businesses don't need regulation, and your food doesn't need to be inspected
>implying your shit wouldn't get taken over by a gang with more guys and more guns than you
>implying anyone would follow that shit when there's no reason not to
>implying poors would have the time, energy, or funds to defend their shit when they're working 19 hours a day for bread crumbs
Why the fuck do you assume anyone on earth is a fucking rational actor.
>>79859972
>The poor that exist in an An-Cap society would be poor by choice.
Are you insane? What about shitty life decisions, fraud or a crippling disability?
>Why do we need laws?
Because without them there would be no punishment for murder or rape, and the police wouldn't exist.
>One of the goals of an an-cap society is that everyone has a basic understanding of property rights and the principle of nonaggression.
Jesus Christ, just because they understand them doesn't mean they'll uphold them.
This is the kind of argument gun control Leftists make.
>There is no state this makes no sense
How does it make no sense?
By the way, I'm not a Liberal, I'm a National Conservative who supports the free market, I'm just not stupid enough to think 100% privatisation could work.
>>79860067
>Prove they are inherently human needs.
Nothing eat and sleep are inherently humans need retard, that doesn't mean in this modern age you don't need electricity, running water and means of help in case of emergency.
Unless you have no problem living in the middle of nowhere, this is the cost of society.
>>79860564
>it's the current year argument
Wew, mexican intellectual BTFOing ancaps.
>>79853688
Quit b8ing potato nigger the blue pills will never understand the progression back to a supreme form of monarchy
>debating ancaps
Its literally beep boop autism or a straight up kike you're arguing with stop it and just mock them without mercy.
>>79860698
Yes m8, take the text by face value and disregard the context and ignore any argument presented.
You have been doing that for 15 post already.
>>79860839
>"Oh God, I can't come up with an argument."
>"Oh wait, I can just ad hominem into infinity."
>>79860924
You still haven't proved how those "current year needs" justify a gang steal from me to provide a service someone else wants.
>>79860839
not an argument
Grill them long enough and you'll always find that anarchists of any sort want the state and therefore laws and police to go away because of a desire to fuck kids and/or push drugs.
>>79861081
I'm sorry your country of shitskins can't into high trust, cooperative socities and the fact that you think anarchy in that piss bucket would actually improve this is hilarious.
>>79854279
Monopolies need customers and thus can only exist through people's permission. Monopolies exist with government as well, here Rogers is a massive monopoly that fucks up our internet and phone services, does the government do anything? Also Microsoft was broken up for being a monopoly, are you better off for it? The only difference between a natural monopoly and a monopoly co-existing with a massive state is that the two will collude whereas the individual monopoly is left to fend on it's own.
IDGAF about them, if you're unproductive as many blacks and Hispanics are, I couldn't care less.
Then get the fuck out you leftist faggot.
Lmao, keep dreaming, so police force XYZ signs a contract that says if this takes place it's terminated and cops XYZ breaks the law over and over again....well that company better keep him so he can pocket a few extra grand. OH WAIT, that ALREADY happens.
So a few 100 or 1000 vs 10,000+? You do understand that an armed populace ALWAYS is a greater threat than any individual police force.
>>79861265
Not an argument.
>>79858910
So basically exacly what we have now?
>>79854690
Contract is signed to service crimes XYZ, I'm sure rape would be included.
Conservatives give more money to charities than liberals, the liberal fear in having government welfare is that EVERYONE is as shitty of a person as they are (hence the need for extortion). Besides, disabled individuals make up less than 1% of the population, I'm sure tight knit communities could respond to a very small number of people that need basic income.
Communities could be involved in larger partnerships with similar laws, in any case, you're not making a specific counter-argument, I'm just saying different ancap lands would have different laws that the individual would have to follow. This is no different than countries, it's just on a micro scale.
Police are just individual contractors, if your community has contracted company XYZ to do the policing, they would be expected to follow through with their commitment.
Wrong, blacks, Hispanics and Muslims are bigger assholes, nothing stops you from setting up high trust homogeneous societies where people know each other and minorities are mostly kept out.
How many police can he own? Besides, if the police fail in enforcing their contract, it could be found void and they wouldn't be in business for long. In any case, most police forces are around 150-300:1, so good luck fighting the general population. Besides, if police are THAT corrupt, it'd just be easier to bribe them to kill the guy than whatever he's paying them.
I will admit that libertarians are on point when they slam Karl Marx for being a shit tier philosopher with no real world experience whatsoever.
How the fuck does anyone take Karl Marx seriously? He was just a B-list actor living mostly off of his rich family and friends until he decided to start writing about his own bullshit special snowflake philosophy despite having no background in philosophy or political theory whatsoever, in a series of poorly written fiction novels. No wait, my bad that was Ayn Rand.
Marx was born to an incredibly wealthy family and the only times he wasn’t cloistered with academics, he was philandering with the wealthy elite. The first half of his career he was funded almost entirely by a wealthy businessman, and then the second half of his career was at various academic institutions when that fell through. Oh shit, I’m confused that was Murray Rothbard.
Ok, ok, Marx was basically a government bureaucrat who eventually became a college professor and did little else. Man I fucked up again, sorry. That’s Milton Friedman. I’m struggling here.
>>79856377
They have created state.
>>79861917
>so good luck fighting the general population
They do that just fine in police states.
>>79862275
>became a college professor and did little else
Even if you hate Milton Friedman, he's one of the most influential economists in the realm of academia.
>>79862522
This.
>>79862554
So is Paul Krugman. Fuck academia.
>>79853688
Don't you have a hospital to firebomb there Patty?
>>79862762
Yeah, but you can't say he did little else when his ideas are so embedded in the study of economics. No one gives a shit about Krugman except the fags who read his blog.
>>79863103
Not an argument.
>>79856120
if I steal your wallet and use your money to buy you a present, am I still in the wrong?
>why do we need government to build roads?
>We just need to negotiate with the company directly!
>We'll vote on who will represent our community because not all 10,000 can be there to negotiate
>Maybe a couple people will have the job of negotiating for the community
Fucking AnCaps are so god damn retarded
>>79853688
I'm not an ancap. I'm an egoist. Of the Stirner variety. But my answers will probably be similar if I answered from that perspective.
>How do you think private police are a good idea?
They help people take control of their world. They allow the interests of the corporation, and thus the interests of the consumers, to be met.
>How would the poor function in your society?
They would get jobs and work like everyone else. If they work well enough they will be sought after and payed more.
>Who would make the Laws?
Whoever has the power and desire to enforce their will.
>Who would enforce the Laws if the police need to be paid directly?
The police, after they are paid directly.
>Who would defend your property from take-over?
Me and the means of power I have. Maybe my private police force would do it. Maybe someone else private police force would do it. Maybe I'll be forced to do it.
>What would stop a rich person hoovering up the police for himself and strong-arming the rest of you?
He might be up against a citizen militia at that point. If the people are content with their work place and their lives, then they will fight to defend it. If they want to come in and kill some consumers, they had better have a good army, and a plan for the sudden lack of people.
You know what Milton Friedman, Ayn Rand and Murray Rothbard all have in common? Jews. All of them.
>>79863488
Yes, that is how states are founded. Every single individual living in the territory voluntarily agrees to let some person or body of persons rule them forever. This is how all states were formed.
Do you see the difference yet?
>>79853688
>Tell me, Anarcho-Capitalists, how could your society last for more than five minutes?
ok
>How do you think private police are a good idea?
By using my brain
>How would the poor function in your society?
By using there body
>Who would make the Laws?
Law is the non-aggression principle. What you call laws is what should be properly called norms which might be determined by courts, property owners are property unions.
>Who would enforce the Laws if the police need to be paid directly?
Probably some form of insurance service that would have a direct financial motivation to keep your cost of security low by investing in preventive action.
>Who would defend your property from take-over?
Many mechanism going from myself, to my family, to my neighbourhood, to my insurance company, to the items I buy to facilitate enforcing my property(locks and security systems) in situations of temporary abandonment(like going to work in the morning).
>What would stop a rich person hoovering up the police for himself and strong-arming the rest of you?
Armed citizens and the fact that this kind of shit is obvious and easy to counter. Furthermore, insurance companies and DRO's would be hired in some fashion to fight this to secure there customers.
>>79862823
Not an argument.
The thing is, anarcho capitalism will never happen. Humans naturally organize and form governments to get things done. It's how we are made. I don't think that will ever change.
>>79853688
can someone please explain what's the difference between anarcho-capitalism and plutocracy? thanks
>>79864737
You are about to witness some Olympic tier mental gymnastics or be completely ignored.
>>79853688
L.P.D. Libertarian Police Department
I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.
“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”
“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”
“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”
The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”
“Not yet. But mark my words: we're going to figure out who did this and we're going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”
“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”
He laughed. “That’s why you're the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”
“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”
I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.
“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.
“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.
“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”
It didn't seem like they did.
“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”
>>79865151
Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn't care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.
I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.
“Subway™ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®” I yelled.
Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.
“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.
I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”
He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.
“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”
“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs® on the guy.
“Because I was afraid.”
“Afraid?”
“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”
I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.
>>79865151
>>79865284
“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”
He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.
>>79855991
You didn't prove that taxation is theft. As it was stated previously, you pay taxes and you get benefits from it. And you can't say that things like schools, police, millitary, roads, hospitals aren't necesary.
>but i want to pay for things voluntarily.
That would not work, if things were like that no one would pay taxes.
People like you should be thrown out of helicopters.
>>79865055
Damn
If US became an anarcho capitalist state, me and my family would move to the US and vote to increase the size of the government. People from around the world would come too even without the welfare state because US is the land of opportunity. WE WOULD CRUSH YOUR STATELESS SOCIETY IN TEN MINUTES (or until the next election is held).
>>79860839
>just mock them without mercy.
On it cap'n.
>>79865554
I can get benefits from services I voluntarily choose to pay for, too. So the benefits argument is destroyed.
Those things aren't inherently necessary to human survival, which means I can pick and choose if they are necessary for my survival or not. The government forces them onto me. Also, I can pay companies to do those services, and if I don't like the company, I can pay another company to do it. So that argument is also destroyed.
Anarcho-capitalism is anarchism A.K.A. no state A.K.A. no taxes,l so people not paying taxes is a good thing. You just did an argument for me.
>>79865900
Don't worry, Argentina, you'll have your time in the sun.
>I'm a self-made AnCap man
>>79866661
Just because some things aren't inherently necessary for survival doesn't mean that you don't need them. We need police to protect us, we need schools for our children, we need hospitals to take care of us, we need roads for transportation, we need military to protect our country.
>>79867407
The free market offers all of those services in better quality and in competing prices.
>>79860839
Mocking them is literally the only thing that works against these delusional people.
Trying to argue with them is like speaking to a wall.
>>79867792
>No Argument: The Post
>>79867526
>Implying all of those things would work without government.
Some things are better left in the hands of government.
>>79867938
At least try to explain why.
>>79867903
>>79868035
CAn keep it all. Fucking disgusting fish
>>79868538
As long as it's voluntary.
>>79867903
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>>79868631
>as long as it's voluntary
Holy shit, how stupid are you?
>>79853688
>How do you think private police are a good idea?
Because look at our police now.
>How would the poor function in your society?
The poor would be supported by charities, help from family and those from their community. Its a lot easier to help people when the state doesnt take half your shit from you.
>Who would make the Laws?
The NAP
>Who would enforce the Laws if the police need to be paid directly?
The police, who get paid.^
>Who would defend your property from take-over?
My guns.
>What would stop a rich person hoovering up the police for himself and strong-arming the rest of you?
Well, what are you doing to stop that now? Because its happenin, on a much larger scale than would be possible in an ancap world.
>>79868631
>muh voluntarianism
You are free to leave, bro. Go live in a vlutnary society somewhere else (somalia is nice around this year) and stop trying to fuck everything up, even worse then it already is, for the rest of us
>>79860130
>the other guy whose road is a 50 mile detour
Let's face it some one would just buy all the land in a direct route. Or buy a narrow long strip blocking the way for miles between destinations so people use (((his))) road.
>>79868945
Somalia is not a voluntary society. It is under sharia law and other parts are state controlled.
But well, we cant expect a statist to be intelligent.
>>79868908
>>79868945
>>79868304
It would be a waste of time to explain it to you. Read all the previous responses in this thread and you will get a pretty good idea.
But the fact that you think that anarcho capitalism is a good idea makes me think that you are either 14 years old or too dumb to understand how the world works.
>>79868934
>Because look at our police now.
>Something is not perfect
>Hey i know guise!! Let's completely scrap it!!!! amirite guise?
>The poor would be supported by charities
Like they are now?
>help from family and those from their community.
And what about those without family and autistic people?
>Its a lot easier to help people when the state doesnt take half your shit from you.
And it's a lot easier to live when you don't have to pay a toll everytime you take your car out of a garage
>The NAP
Autism confirmed
>The police, who get paid.^
By who?
>My guns.
And when you are sleeping? And what about property in wich you are currently not residing? And what about property that you do not own but need it?
>Well, what are you doing to stop that now?
Public duty. The fact that the cops are not working for someone but for a principle.
>Because its happenin
source?
>on a much larger scale than would be possible in an ancap world.
wishfull thinking
>>79868631
A free, voluntary society simply doesn't work.
>>79869340
>>79869409
A free, voluntarily society simply works.
>>79869326
The state only controls parts of the capital, irrc. The rest you are free to ward off the niggers with your guns (good pratice, eh?) and set up you ancap society.
Please guys, ignore my fellow monkey comrade.
He's too stupid, and anarchism is like a hive of pseudo intelectuals down here. He doesn't know what he's saying, and he's probably barely 18 years old.
Come, Pedro. We have to go back to our cell or else the zoo keepers will shoot us. Remember Harambe, you would not survive three days without the goverment keeping you safe.
>>79854708
>>79863204
>>79861353
>>79869414
>>79869333
That's literally the only thing that you can say when someone tries to reason with you.
I'm going to say the same thing i stated previously: People like you should be thrown out of helicopters.
>>79869701
>>79869710
Will there ever be an argument?
>>79869390
We are completely scrapping it. We are making it private.
Also, no its not perfect. Thats not why it has to change. It has to change because it is vile, murderous, corrupt, and full of violent statists.
>>79869472
Because memes. You guys say communists are deluded and then base your "arguments" simply on a corrupt mental process without any support on the real world.
You guys are 17year old commie tier deluded
>>79869472
It doesn't, you think our society works because people do whatever they want? No, they do things because they are required to do so.
>>79869333
>I'll use your money to live a lavish lifestyle and call you all peasants
>"as long as it's voluntary"
Do I even need to say more?
>>79869815
>>79869871
>>79869888
The arguments to post ratio is absurdly high.
>>79869771
>It has to change because it is vile, murderous, corrupt, and full of violent statists.
>Let's put it under the highest bidder
Sure, the chinks will buy the police force. Then i will laugh.
This is what happens when teens don't leave mommy house.
>pic related is what i think ancaps are
>>79870027
Please try to tell me why do you think a free, voluntary society would work. Because i genuinely want to know. Without resorting to the ''not an argument'' thing, i want to know you point of view
>>79870250
People would not be corrupt. And the NAP would be judged on private courts (lol)
>>79869390
Like i said, how can we have charities when the government takes so much money from us? Those without family have the community. Autists have family or community. Did you actually read my responses?
Wait, a toll? Only governments have tolls and fees, permits, licenses, regulations, and tons of other words for taking your shit and money from you.
The police get paid by bartering for equal services, which is much easier when currency isnt being deflated by idiot keynesian economists.
So who protects you? The police? You call a person with a gun and wait. My alarm would trip and theyd get shot for aggressing towards me.
The cops are working for a principle. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Source? Read the fucking news.
And lastly, "wishful thinking" yeah, lets see how long it would take you to add up how many people staist societies have killed using their police to purge domestic enemies. Hm, an example. Saudi arabia right now.
>>79870250
There is none.
He will probably talk about that little spanish community that the sole reason it worked was because
you know
it was small.
Trust me, don't waste time on this guy.
>>79870250
I grow apples. You grow oranges. We trade, >>>IF YOU WANT TO<<<. If you don't, I go to someone else who does. Apply this logic to everything.
>>79870357
>>79870477
And then someone comes and steals all your apples because there is no government.
>But muh private police
>>79870656
I shoot the guy who tries to steal my apples.
>>79870072
Well, you obviously dont think much then.
And the person on the basement is the one who has time to draw stupid pictures instead of actually trying to understand anything else than what mommy and your tv told you
>>79870719
Drops the mic
>>79870420
>Like i said, how can we have charities when the government takes so much money from us?
Not an argument.
>Autists have family or community.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I want to see you being around a severely autistic kid without having any blood ties with him.
>Wait, a toll? Only governments have tolls and fees, permits, licenses, regulations, and tons of other words for taking your shit and money from you.
But it's a small price and requires almost no bearocracy (the road thing).
How would driver licenses work in a ancap society?
>he police get paid by bartering for equal services
By who?
>So who protects you?
Myself. And police works as a prevention force.
>Source? Read the fucking news.
source?
>And lastly, "wishful thinking" yeah, lets see how long it would take you to add up how many people staist societies have killed using their police to purge domestic enemies. Hm, an example. Saudi arabia right now.
Let's see how many people ancpa killed? none, because it literally never was tried.
>muh statism
grade A autism
>>79870477
This is not tribal africa. Our society envolves mechanism much more complex then that.
You defend going back to barter system?
>>79871109
Currency is a commodity, too. Example: I grow apples. I sell apples. I use money to buy someone's oranges.
>>79853940
Are you enjoying the benefits of tax money such as roads, utilities, police/fire services, law ownership laws, and/or a national armed forces.
If yes, it's not theft.
If no, it's theft and you should move.
>b-but i live in the middle of nowhere and take care of myself and I'm conpletely self-sufficient!
Ok, that's great. Feel free to stoo paying taxes then because you're so off the grid the government won't even know to tax you.
>>79870702
>Because you would be the only one with guns on an ancap society
>>79870719
not an a argument
Also you completely evaded the point.
ancaps is the most jewish shit imaginable
>>79871240
He will tell you that he didn't ask for those benefits.
He is that much of a fucking moron.
>>79871206
How would currency works if there is no state to back it up?
>>79871356
vacation?
>>79859343
Still spamming your antifa 1 post threads all over the board
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>>79871379
Blockchain, which has intrinsic value like gold does.
>>79871708
I didn't ask for the present. But i do want all the benefits that paying taxes give me.
>>79871206
And you can't do that now because.....?
>>79871799
Why not just pay a company to do it instead? So if you stop liking that company, you can pay a different one, unlike the government which you are obligated to do so.
>>79871825
Inflation caused by fiat currency being printed by the government devalues and destroys property.
>>79855733
fuck off and go suck stefan's cock
>>79872021
Right....but you can still sell your apples for money or for something else.
That's what people who sell vegetables in the market in towns are doing.
>>79872151
I have to pay the government to sell my apples.
>>79871554
>being so buttmad about neonazis getting btfo that you need to spam your stupid shit in unrelated threads
>>79871664
okay now i know you're trolling, even autists have given up on bitcoins
>>79872234
No you don't. Unless you are selling to big chain amrkets, most of it is done by paralel amrket, especially in Huesil
>>79872234
Well, not if you do it out of your house.
Like, if you sell apples in your neighbourhood the government won't do that.
>>79859501
>I didn't sign a contract, but taxes are forced upon me. If I choose not to pay for them, I go to jail, and if I refuse going to jail, I'm killed. Taxation is theft
You didn't sign a contract but you are on the soil of this country and paying taxes is one of the rules of this country.
You didn't sign a contract saying you won't kill anyone either but that won't stop people from putting you in jail if you do this.
>>79872599
Anarchists are so autistic that they don0t even understand the concept behind tacit aceptance
They are nigger tier, they want to enjoy living in first world but don't want to pay for it
>>79856494
>Implying most people eagerly await the moment someone steps foot on their property so as to justify shooting him in the face.
>>79872473
I used trading fruits as an example as to how voluntary exchange would work, it doesn't limit to apples, but if you insist in using that specific case, I'll tell you that in Brazil you're not allowed to grow food in most of the places. Plus you avoided the inflation caused by fiat currency argument which corrodes the value of your property. It's an invisible tax.
>>79872469
Not an argument.
>>79872599
That doesn't justify the government to claim property over my body and my actions.
"To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now." - James B. Comey, FBI Director
This is criminal. He is saying that there is not equal treatment in this case.
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>>79855202
>South Africa
You seem to be under the impression that being like South Africa is a good thing.
Pro tip: it's not
>>79853688
>How do you think private police are a good idea?
Society is contracts between indivdiuals, property owners etc, any "public" good functions the same, except funds are private. Contacts are enforced ultimately with violence between covenants (it will function the same as "public police" except funds are from covenants/individuals)
>How would the poor function in your society?
"Function"???? They would work or perish, like eveyone else. A free society is not utopia, depending on the covenant in question ot could be quite brutal and Darwinian, and?
>Who would make the Laws?
There are no " laws" merely to enforcement of contracts/ covenants
>Who would enforce the Laws if the police need to be paid directly?
Same people as now except funds are private, for irl example see south Africa private police protecting whites and rich blacks from endless ghoul hordes.
>Who would defend your property from take-over?
You, the covenants defence force, private security.
>What would stop a rich person hoovering up the police for himself and strong-arming the rest of you?
The mosy powerful nation on the planet with trillions of $$$ couldn't sustain a war against paddy farmers and hill tribes.
No billionares alive today has rhe capital to take over a significant swath of anywhere with illegitimate force.
Fyi a covenant can be as large as any modern state.
Why, what did you imagine the answers to these questions would be? It's not really complex, at all.
In case you didn't realise national libertarianism is the literal saviour of the ghoul hordes and forces the ghoul hordes to take the side of irrational marxism.
>>79872948
>I'll tell you that in Brazil you're not allowed to grow food in most of the places.
source?
>>79853688
>>79871324
literally
OP is a fucking ancapkike
I've never had a anarcho-cuckitalist be able to explain private ownership of nuclear weapons.
>hurr too expensive or complex
the ability and knowledge of making them is easy, the hard part is gov rules and laws.
>hurr someone will stop you
not if my PMC is big enough, who's going to die for free trying to stop me from doing something on my land
>wmd's aren't covered in weapons needs for self defense
What entity on what authority is going to stop me in anarchy?
>hurr consequences will never be the same if you use one
again if I use them, who's going to attack me? I killed my enemy. If another guy has nukes then we have MAD. If it stopped the is and Russians from going to war it will here too.
>>79853688
>for more than five minutes?
https://mises.org/library/pennsylvanias-anarchist-experiment-1681-1690
how does nine years strike you? that's longer than texas was a republic.
>>79873520
Societies with recreational nukes perish very quickly I'd assume. Covenants being formed will probably ban them.
You do realize there is nothing to suggest (actual) social contracts are in anyway a free for all.
>>79853688
Hahaha hah poor people haha hahaha why do I care
>>79872948
Not an argument.
I think the best options are either small government libertarian or nationalist authoritarian
>>79872948
>That doesn't justify the government to claim property over my body and my actions.
How does it not justify it exactly?
Those are the rules of the country if you don't like it you can just go somewhere else.
Paying taxes is a rule like any other, if you come to my house I tell you to take your shoes off or get the fuck out you can't just sit there and scream that i can't tell you what to do with your property(body/shoes)
>>79875300
no see this doesn't count because if he goes somewhere else some other government will come and steal his shit via taxes too!!!
but if it's a gang in his fucking post-society wasteland that's okay, because it's not the government.
>Paying taxes is a rule like any other
What makes these rules right?
>>79853860
>Well, police forces will be corporations. So the nicer neighborhoods get a better and. ore expensive force, cause they paid more.
Look at private police in Detroit
They make enough money to provide security for poor areas for free while providing security for affluent areas.
At a significantly lower cost than the Detroit police is currently operating on and they are essentially not even enforcing rule of law in most of Detroit.
>>79854279
Most all ISPs in this nation have gained regional monopolies because the local/county governments signed contracts saying that x company would have a monopoly in the region for y amount of time if they set up the infrastructure.
>>79876267
>he goes somewhere else some other government will come and steal his shit via taxes too!!!
Go live in the middle of the woods
>>79862522
The ones where they've been slowly disarmed through Draconian legislation?
>>79876764
>What makes these rules right?
Who gives the singleest fuck about it?
>>79877037
not an argument
>>79876764
The fact that 99% of the community agree on those rules.
The country is "ruled" by the people that live in it(As a group) so if over half of the population didn't like those rules they could get rid of them but as i said 99% is fine with it so if you are the 1% you can either just go along with it or move to another country without "bad government that steals your money"
>be libertarian
>get shot
>pay a million in fees ( thats the corporate """"competition"""" ) or be thrown in a private jail
>forced to slave labor til death
the dream (:
>any form of anarchy working
I don't even know why you people have the thought of it in your mind.
LMFAO
Ancaps are literally fucking special snow flakes. Honestly more fantasy and absurdity than communism.
I seriously think after reading this thread, Ancap is the single worst political ideology there is. It's just absolute cancer.
>>79878033
99% does not make it right. With your logic, if I terrorized the population to agree to my will with 99% support, I would have a right to do whatever.
>>79879184
Who is she?
> Ancap is the single worst political ideology there is.
It's cute seing them doing mental gymnastics
>>79879329
>99% does not make it right.
It actualy does
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legitimacy_(political)
> With your logic, if I terrorized the population to agree to my will with 99% support, I would have a right to do whatever.
Of course you do. It's basically how every govenment worked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv4dEVaVn0Q
>>79879656
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCozh_vbYdM
So much keks were had!
>"CALL THE POLICE!!!!!"
>"Sir, we are the police"
Anarcho autism is just cringe.
>>79879588
So the only problem you have with anarcho-capitalism is that the majority does not support it?
>>79879329
>if I terrorized the population to agree to my will with 99% support
But then they aren't agreeing with you.
They say the agree with you to not get fucked not from their own will.
On the other hand if like 99% of people in your country said that they agree with your will you would have right to do whatever you want.
>>79880154
Obviously not.
>>79861081
Git gud faggot
>>79880678
They are agreeing. For example the citizens of North-Korea agree.
>>79880742
But what if 99% agreed on anarcho-capitalism, you'd have no problem then?
>>79880154
No, obviously not.
I would still disagree with it but if 99% of the population would agree with it what could it do?
That would make ancap "right" for those people, does not mean it would be right to me (if i was in this 1%)
>>79882361
Again, they are forced to agree not agreeing, there would be consequences if they were to disagree.
I think an important fault in ancap thinking is this belief that they'll get to own some property and live freely. Remember that 1% of American society has as much buying power as the 99%. How would the US government even divide and sell the land? Is it just first-in-first serve?
The primary problem in Ancap thinking is that they can't understand that somebody owns the country already, it's the American civilization.. They just want to reset the clock so they can grab up some land like their own country and make their own rules. It's like going into a farm and complaining that one person owns all the farmland in that farm. There are other farms with their own land but you don't want to bother going there and you don't want to pay the owner to stay on his farm. You just believe you and other individuals deserve your own plot of land on the farm because you were born on the land.
Ancaps are against borders right? Could you imagine if a corporations decided to just build an entire city with terrible living conditions that attracted workers from India, China and Mexico to work in sweatshops. People would take the offer because they'd be provided food and housing that no American would accept. All of this to create cheap products just like in the shit countries. The average wage in America would drop to practically nothing. But this would never work due to the world's morality when buying products right? Almost everything isn't mass produced in the cheapest place possible because people don't give a fuck... right? I'm sure the free market would sort things out.
>>79876764
That it's been an accepted, reasonable standard for basically every single developed civilization in recorded history.
>>79883317
Its called privatisation
And if you get as much in wages as you are worth
>>79882879
I think you didn't understand, they are not forced to agreeing. The people who had to be forced are in the labour camps or dead. The only people left are the ones who agree. 99% support without force.
>>79883317
>recorded history
What timeframe in recorded history makes something reasonable and accepted? What about slavery, they still have it some places, does it make it right?
>Anarchy, as a political concept, is a naive floating abstraction: . . . a society without an organized government would be at the mercy of the first criminal who came along and who would precipitate it into the chaos of gang warfare. But the possibility of human immorality is not the only objection to anarchy: even a society whose every member were fully rational and faultlessly moral, could not function in a state of anarchy
>>79870702
But then that guy comes with a bunch of other guys to kill you and steal your apples
>>79871206
Who's going to give that money value?
>>79854817
Probably something more like fuedalism.
>>79884331
Thats not how it works.
Say you were in the mall when there was a terrorist attack.
One person stand up and start screaming at them telling them "WHAT YOU ARE DOING IS WRONG YOU SHOULD LET US GO"
They get shot.
Now what do you do? Stand up too and do the same as the other person or just sit quietly and do whatever they want you to do?(AKA sitting quiet and complying)
>>79854817
So are you saying a government would form?
So you are shilling for a government, with a argument that a government would form.
Genius.
When everyone is responsible for themselves and armed, and is paying for protection privately, you can't really subjugate people.
>>79884331
What is right and wrong is context based, you fucking retard.
What is "right" about taxes is that it works, you fucking retard.
In fact, it's worked so well it's been a necessity for any society to work throughout all of history while your shitty little political ideology has zero proof of concept, you fucking retard.
>>79884300
And what you're worth goes way down when there are more honor students in India than there are Americans in existence.
>>79853688
The koch brothers already write all the laws how would it be different?
>>79885617
>And what you're worth goes way down when there are more honor students in India than there are Americans in existence.
And thats a bad thing?
I care about the advancement of humans, not about their skin color
>>79885617
Is slavery right because it works?
>>79882361
>But what if 99% agreed on anarcho-capitalism, you'd have no problem then?
I would either adapt or gtfo
>>79885942
Children are essentially slaves but people deem this relationship beneficial and acceptable to raise kids.
Do you support a parent forcing their child to do something? Then you support slavery and violate the NAP
>>79886306
Having children is unfair to the child from the start.
And yes, the way we raise children is fucked up.
But blame biology
