They say we, like SJWs, like to stay in hugboxes and not debate. But this is clearly false, as evidenced by Alt-right YouTubers such as Stefan Molyneux, The Golden One, Millennial Woes and Black Pigeon Speaks. Some may call /pol/ a hugbox, but no opinion is censored here.
They say we are 'the other side of the coin'-just the same thing with the opposite agenda, but this is untrue, as shown by the fact that we, unlike them, advocate freedom of speech and press (at least the more moderate amongst us do.) We wish to see government taken out of economics to a large extent and advocate free market economics. We wish to see racial segregation to an extent, and they wish to see multicultural and multiracial societies in place.
They say we have created a victim narrative like the SJWs, and to some extent I agree. I believe we are somewhat justified in believing this as whites are constantly demonised in the media and our values are paraded as 'old fashioned' and something we must never go back to. But I do think some of us take it a bit too far, like users on Stormfront (the one hugbox I can think of) who blame all their problems on the Jews and blacks. Frankly, they need to grow a spine.
Every time I see Centrists advocate the "Horseshoe Theory" (a load of bullshit, more like) I get mad. I feel an overwhelming need to prove them wrong through debate. Frankly, I'm sick of Centrists masturbating over their own sense of superiority.
What do you guys think?
The "two sides of the same coin" argument is a way for them to escape the argument when they realize they have nothing intelligent to say. You can sit there and prove them wrong on each individual point, then they'll just assert that you're just on the other side of the coin, and they won't change any of their opinions or consider the possibility that they're wrong. It's a meaningless phrase that they see as really "deep".
Two sides of the same coin, would be feminism VS. MGTOW. But usually when you see criticisms of feminism, it's from leftists, who are tired of feminists polluting the left with their stupid ideology. Or it's from conservatives. Or it's from libertarians. Or it's from people who aren't very interested in politics and don't align themselves with a philosophy or party, but can just clearly see why feminism is bullshit.
You have all these different kinds of people criticizing feminism, but when you get done explaining why there isn't a patriarchy, and why the gender pay gap is a myth, and why the "pink tax" is a myth - once they start seeing that they can't win on the individual points, they'll say "b-but we're just two sides of the same coin!" Now they don't have to address anything you said, and their argument has shifted from defending their positions, to disingenuously and dishonestly pointing out that "hey, you're just one of those people who disagrees with me! I've exposed you!"
/pol/ can site histroy, facts and statistical data to prove their point
SJW/Lefties 99% cannot.
/pol/ > Anything left/Leftist
>>79400825
This is exactly what I was thinking/
I've seen it on from a lot of Centrist Facebook pages, where they say stuff like "Remember guys, the Far-right is just as bad as the Far-left and they're both the same thing."
It's infuriating.
>>79400031
The two party system is like pro wrestling, fake and gay as fuck.
The elite don't really give a fuck who is in power, just so long as the money flow keeps going straight to the top.
This is why Bernie has been fucked by any means necessary, and why Hillary correct the Record shills are so nasty.
Trump pretends to be anti establishment, while being an oligarch... he is leading the sheep to Hillary. They don't really give a fuck if he or Clinton becomes president, Trump will just be harder to control.
Bernie is the only challenge to the banker jews.
>>79400031
>Flag
>Same coin argument reproduction
Go back to to farm some potatoes
>>79401295
I say that but in reverse, simply because everybody I know is a dirty lefty and I don't want to be seen advocating the right or then they'll completely disregard anything I say
>>79401470
Would you read a bt of the thread before jumping into conclusions?
>>79400031
It's funny that you mention this - the New York Times just had an opinion piece where a journalist calls a Trump rally a "safe space" (comparable to the college safe spaces). Of course, he couldn't seem to understand that, just as people can get passionate at a Bernie rally, so too can those at a Trump Rally.
>>79400825
As this post mentioned, it really is just a cop-out. Essentially, everything is just "two sides of the same coin", and I find it comparable to the "you're with us or against us" argument. It leaves no room to be somewhat neutral, and any opposition is met with "well, let's agree to disagree". The whole point of that phrase shouldn't be to think that "all opinions are stupid, so let's just ignore our passions", but rather "we aren't getting anywhere with this, let's just save time and energy and stop talking about it".
People, like >>79400929 points out, seem to now think that having strong opinions on something is a crime. You don't have to feel strongly about everything, but it's really not fair to criticize everyone and then act morally superior because of your "neutrality". Overall, this coin argument is, well, stupid, because it really is a fancy way of saying "we disagree" without really making any point.
>>79400031
>Every time I see Centrists advocate the "Horseshoe Theory"
I'm far from being a centrist, but the horseshoe theory is pretty sound Imo. Look at most "radical right" and "radical left" parties and you'll see that they have a lot in common between them, like communism had more in common with national socialism than it did with other democratic systems
>>79401470
I'm arguing against the 'two sides of the same coin', not for it.
>>79401461
But the Republican Party still sticks to right-wing principles, does it not?
Ben Carson advocated a free market, for example, as did Ted Cruz.
>>79400825
FPBP
>>79400929
Both sides are corrupt and don't give a fuck about you.
>>79400031
Going after Islam for muh women and gay oppression is the same as going after Christians for the same thing. The only difference between the alt-right and SJWs is a male vs female component, the alt-right is unironically racist, and has drawn an arbitrary line between fags and trannies. Otherwise you really are the samefags.
>>79401552
He is reproducing the narrative, what is enough for me to descredit that potato nigger as shill.
But he even goes so far to include such illuminating conclusions like
>victime narrative like SJW...I agree
>Stormfronters are bad...
>Sick of centrist
And of course the
>what do you think/discus/btfo...
That potato nigger, and is always the same, is one of the C&D, Blacked poster shills and need to be savaged to death.
Dont fall for such cheap tactics
>"If a movement is not inherently left wing, eventually it will be taken over by the left wing" - Internet Aristocrat
Simply, the horseshoe theory is just an attempt by the left to appropriate centrists.
>>79400031
>They say we are 'the other side of the coin'-just the same thing with the opposite agenda, but this is untrue, as shown by the fact that we, unlike them, advocate freedom of speech and press (at least the more
I do think some people here really are fascists and authoritarians who would restrict free speech and other rights if they had the power.
/pol/ is a big place as is the "alt-right"
>>79401634
If you really do so stop reproducing defeatist shit like I pointed out her>>79401955
Or better go back to infinity and do your cercle jerk, and stop promoting that stupid
>we must uncuck half chan
narrative.
Stay there or come back but stop that shill tactics C&D fag
>>79401594
>see that they have a lot in common between them
I'm not even a Radical rightist, but like what?
National Socialism is not a Far-right ideology, because they were very Socialist economically.
liberals are giant babys. they are big fat soft squishy marshmallows.
you cant really argue with a child because you will lose. you will never flip them because it simply isnt in their capacity to be mature about something and admit defeat. so the only thing we can really do is show them and others how emotionally and spiritually immature they are
>>79400031
>clumping /pol/ together like this
I for one would love to argue with leftists in a place where I know that they will have to read what I write, and where I won't be banned within five minutes for thoughtcrimes.
Anyone know of such a place?
>>79401903
Samefags? How so?
We advocate free market economics, they advocate big government.
We advocate societal hierarchy, they advocate equality.
We advocate monocultural and monoracial societies, they advocate multiracial and multicultural societies.
We advocate traditionalism, they advocate post-modernism.
We advocate freedom of speech and press, they advocate censorship (in fact, that's one of the biggest contentions between us right now.)
These things are all polar opposites. How are we the same, retard?
>>79402330
It dont exist
>>79402173
Well I'm French so I can speak about the experience I had in my country. Our communist party used to be very anti immigration because it would damage the workers' right and result in lower wages, only at the benefit of "capitalists". This is a very common thing with "extreme right" (I disagree with this label btw) parties nowadays.
Same with religion. Our commies opposed both Christianity (an habit that they did not lose unfortunately) and islam.
They advocated firmly for protectionist economic doctrines, focused on agriculture, fishing, industry, which are things proposed by the Front National, an "extreme right" party.
>>79402330
Literally /pol/.
You will not get banned here for posting opinions.
>>79402330
You're already here
>>79402543
Opposition to immigrants is not exactly a Communist thing to do. Communism is internationalist and open borders.
>>79402718
I agree, but that's how our communists were back then.
>>79400031
Does having this mean i'm a middle ground person?
I fucking despise the left
>>79400031
>as evidenced by Alt-right YouTubers such as Stefan Molyneux, The Golden One, Millennial Woes and Black Pigeon Speaks.
You mean those Alt-right Youtubers /pol/ CONSTANTLY shits on?
>Every time I see Centrists advocate the "Horseshoe Theory" (a load of bullshit, more like) I get mad. I feel an overwhelming need to prove them wrong through debate.
https://www.reddit.com/r/StormfrontorSJW/
Storm/pol/ and tumblr are literally indistinguishable from eachother by anything other than their buzzwords (nigger, person of color, problematic, degenerate etc.)
>>79401903
your marxist words fall from your mouth like shit from ass. better try again
>>79402432
>We advocate free market economics
Liberal capitalism
>We advocate societal hierarchy
Unless you're a monarchist that's not really true
>We advocate monocultural and monoracial societies, they advocate multiracial and multicultural societies.
Rome was multicultural. Racism is a rather modern idea born out of the idea of progress, which is linked to abortion, eugenics, and other lefty nightmares.
>We advocate traditionalism, they advocate post-modernism.
Would be good if it were true. Unless you're Orthodox, Trad Catholic, or an esoteric it's just hot air though.
>>79402934
Well, you may be a Centrist but not have that extremely arrogant and condescending attitude that comes along with it.
Rightists are the only group without this extreme condescension.
Only Leftists and Centrists seem to have it.
Pic related is mine for reference.
>>79403053
What is your political affiliation, for reference
>>79403011
If you had read my post, you would have seen that I despise Stormfront. They're the only example I can think of of a Far-right hugbox. It's the one example I can think of where the Horseshoe Theory proves correct. But that's it, and one example is not evidence enough.
It would not be enough for science, so it shouldn't be enough for political science.
But we are the Alt-right, not the Far-right. I hate it when we get lumped together.
>>79403053
btw I agree.
Horseshoe theory is bullshit but your points still stand... because in reality 99% of /pol/'s beliefs are still LEFT.
real right is as you say , monarchism, traditionalism and would really oppose the Internet and internet "Freedom" as a whole. The Internet itself is a left-wing medium. It ingrains egalitarianism and erodes tradition.
The "alt-right" represents two sides of the same SJW coin because you unwittingly accepted their premises on race and "intersectionality" and are trying to argue on their terms. When David Duke spouts his nonsense about standing up for the *white race*, he is effectively playing on the identity politics playing field that SJWs created.
tl;dr you're being played
>>79400031
Speaking of coins, here's an interesting tidbit. The beveled edge of the coin is there because historically, on gold or silver coins, people would do something called "coin cutting" in which they would shave the round exterior of the coin in order to get some scrap gold or silver to sell while retaining the value of the coin. After that, beveled edges were put onto coins to stop the practice.
>>79403441
the Internet itself is inherently leftist
if you don't oppose the Internet as a medium you can't claim to be for "Right" or "tradition" at all.
>>79403396
> would really oppose the Internet and internet "Freedom" as a whole.
Not really. The Conservative America of the 1950's was actually pro-free speech.
Further, there is nothing about our beliefs that says freedom of speech must be trampled on.
>>79403184
Orthodox traditionalist
I don't advocate freedom of speech. I only advocate it so long as it serves my agenda. I have no problem with shutting down the speech of leftists. And their speech should be shut down because these people are an existential threat.
>>79403292
>But we are the Alt-right, not the Far-right.
Who is "we"? If we means /pol/, then we're so far right we almost fall off the spectrum.
>>79403625
what's you're view on the Internet and anonymity?
the more I use 4chan the more I realize that anonymity is a trap, it's inherently degenerate and destructive and real life is superior in every way. the Internet needs to be banned.
People who say /pol/ is reverse tumblr have never been here and just know our reputation from silly joke screencaps.
>>79403617
1950's wasn't conservative. It was liberal, just less liberal than now.
>>79403441
>You are being played into yID politics by the kike
Finaly someone got it. May we SAvaGE this thread now?
>>79403691
Come now toothpaste, diversity is /pol/s greatest strength. This isn't a nazi board. It's a board of peace.
I'm a liberal myself.
false equivalence
>>79400031
>>79400825
/leftypol/'s preferred method for dealing with /pol/ they encounter is just to Ad Hom til /pol/ leaves. Just a heads up.
>>79403992
>Implying that's not how /pol/ deals with any dissenting opinions
If I had a euro for every time I was called a cuck here, I could've bought myself a small castle.
>>79403691
Except this board doesn't shut down debate, does it?
>>79403506
Thanks anon
>>79404195
that's because this board barely ever has debate. It's all memes and short attention spans, most people don't even know how to debate. 4chan is inherently damaging to civil discussion
>>79403585
What makes you think that? Just because it's not old?
And no I'm not a traditionalist actually the old traditions religion etc were boring waste of time shit
I'm not a christcuckservative mate I'm basically a nationalist with some socialist elements mixed in
/pol/ is a hugbox but at least opposing opinions aren't censored and hidden.
In fact, the more controversial a post is, the easier it will be able to see while scrolling through the thread due to how many replies it will get.
>>79403702
It's been horrible for social life. I do go out have a few drinks occasionally with people a lot more outgoing than me and I'm usually the only one who makes it a point to not be on my phone the entire time. It's crazy.
On the other hand the internet is necessary to spread ideas quickly and efficiently, if there is ever going to be a worldwide movement against the globalists and modernity, the internet is going to be a big part of it. Just look at how effective it has been for the rise of Trump.
It's also not that hopeless, I spend most of my time here wallowing in the muck trying to spread the Gospel to people who call me a cuck all day, yet somehow I keep coming out on the better end of it spiritually, instead of being dragged down by it. So it's like anything else really, if you are glorifying God in everything that you do, then nothing, including 4chan, should be able to hurt you. If you don't have God in your life at all then you're probably going to fall for the degeneracy.
>>79404263
>that's because this board barely ever has debate.
I can guarantee you there is at least one debate going on right now on another thread. This place has debates all the time.
>>79404426
>/pol/ is a hugbox but at least opposing opinions aren't censored and hidden.
>but at least opposing opinions aren't censored and hidden.
>at least opposing opinions aren't censored and hidden.
>aren't censored and hidden.
Anon....
>>79400031
>as evidenced by Alt-right YouTubers such as Stefan Molyneux, The Golden One, Millennial Woes and Black Pigeon Speaks.
what the fuck? this only proves the point further since they just make faggy youtube videos, just like the people they complain about.
you guys are fucking pathetic.
>>79404427
The (((gospel)))
Literally kill yourself christkike
>>79403506
Thanks anon
>>79404588
>SJWs make videos
>alt-right makes videos
>SAMEFAGGGGGG
You literally sound this retarded.
>>79404588
that's just an average 4chan user
always is, always was
why can't 4chan stop blaming reddit, youtube, the "Alt-right" as some "other" or anything other than 4chan?
4chan IS the problem you losers
>>79400031
SJW's are so-called 'fighting' for rights they already have so it turns into fighting against microaggressions and petty, banal things.
Whereas most of us, i presume, are concerned about the very survival of our race and culture. We are trying to hold onto, what seems like, water and when and/or if we complain it has substantial merit because we are losing more than we win.
SJW's; have they ever really lost? It must be incredibly tough being on the winning side, where just complaining on twitter gets your opponent fired or a business to acquiesce to your demands.
>>79404588
I'm sorry, what?
Hold on a minute, Stefan Molyneux and Millennial Woes debate people all the time.
MW had a 4 hour debate recently enough with Sargon of Akkad.
Stefan Molyneux has debates constantly. He never stops/
>>79405036
unfortunately, he never actually presents an argument.
"not an argument" is also not an argument.
>>79404890
The Left have been winning since the mid-20th Century.
The Right in Europe died in 1918.
>>79405102
>he never actually presents an argument.
Yes he does. He's very thorough and sound with his arguments. He uses too many metaphors, but that's just his style.
>>79405102
4chan needs a healthy dose of self hate and self awareness. Realize these losers aren't some other group of youtubers and redditors ,they're your own. This is what 4chan looks like and it's not pretty. Look at yourself in the mirror.
in fact I'd be willing to say that the kind of people who say "we're not the alt-right, we're not losers like THIS guy *posts faggy youtube video* " look like that themselves.
if you're on 4chan there's something wrong with you. You're a loser or failure in at least one aspect. At least admit it.
>>79405344
I look great and I'm happy with who I am, what do I do now burgerman?
>>79405514
I think if you really were that happy you'd ignore my post and just be content
>>79405491
Why does there have to be something wrong with me?
I mean, there is something wrong with me because I browse /r9k/ a lot, but it doesn't have to be that way.
>>79401461
go back to plebbit. your nominee lost and nobody cares about him.
>>79400031
every single pro libshit arguements in crip/pol/, stormfront and r/thedonald got deleted.
because we practice free speech in here and the mods tolerate discussions on both sides, the alt right tend to silence the left by calling them "shitposting", "shilling" or simply pound them with cancerous memes so they'll shut up and have the thread deleted
>>79400031
SJWs "argue" by throwing every accusation they can conjure up that might have a chance at demoralizing the target. They run out of labels to demoralize us with, so they think:
>they hate me, and I'm an SJW
>I bet if I call him an SJW, I'll be able to manipulate him
>hey /pol/ clearly "we" are all the same as SJWs, wew, really makes you think huh?
You have to be a retard to actually think there's any significant comparison between people on the left and right. Those that do tend to find false equivalences in a pathological, knee jerk fashion wherever they perceive a conflict; it's another form of neurotic conflict avoidance.
>>79401542
same thing goes for /pol/
anything the left posts will be disregarded as "shitposting" or "baiting".
get a fucking grip
>>79402718
>>79402815
National communism is no oxymoron, merely something that is no longer considered - mostly because there are very few "true" communists who actually wish for absolute equality of ownership - most of them are just feel-good types and internationalists/globalists seeking to exploit the first group. Needless to say, we know who is leading the modern communists.
>>79404263
>this board barely ever has debate
are you fucking blind?
>>79406565
It will be disregarded as such ~90% of the time, solely for the reason, that the other ~10% of the time when it is not disregarded, whoever spouts lefty bullshit gets btfo mercilessly and simply stops replying to the arguments they are bombarded with. If they do not wish to improve, so should they expect us not to actively try to help them.
>>79406419
Yeah, Stormfront is shit. I said this in the OP. It's the only hugbox I can think of that we have.
Yeah, but everything contrarian on Reddit that doesn't specifically have 'Debate' in the title of it. It happens all across the political spectrum over there.
We get debate here all the time. For example, I make threads pretending to be a Marxist all the time and I get debated with.
I always respond with "just like two sides of the same wall".
>>79406565
how do you propose stopping that without shutting down free speech though? Like it or not, stupid shitposting and name calling is free speech, and it's a part of chan culture
>>79406565
to be fair if tumblr-tier lefties and stormfront-tier right wingers congregated on the same website it would be a shitshow of ebin proportions
/pol/ is certainly the congregation site of anti-political correctness people, and its probably for the best that it mostly is made up of those people. I think its good for /pol/ to have its own identity rather then being a pure debate forum for everyone to shitpost in. plus I'm not really sure pure, direct interaction, intermingling and debate between opposing ideological groups is possible on a single website because not only will the different sides get angry and not want to talk to each other, discussing things with people with similar worldviews is refreshing
anyways wew
>>79405573
I'm extremely happy, which is why I come to the bowels of the internet and talk about how great my life is.
>>79408061
Believe it or not /r9k/ fits this bill pretty well. Any politicial or morality related thread there ks exactly what you describe with extremes from both sides taking part.
/pol/ is a hugbox and an echo chamber.
Difference between lefties and /pol/ though, as soon as you go outside or read some mainstream you are confronted with leftie mainstream opinions. You are, whether you want it or not, exposed to the ideology of the 'opposing side'.
Lefties don't have this.
>>79400031
>evidenced by Alt-right YouTubers such as Stefan Molyneux, The Golden One, Millennial Woes and Black Pigeon Speaks.
you think sjws dont make youtube videos? and how exactly does making a youtube video make you somehow more correct?
>Some may call /pol/ a hugbox, but no opinion is censored here.
>cuck
>hahahahaha good point achemd
>something something there are brown people in your country
it doesnt need to be censored here, and places like tumblr donts censor anything either unless its very blatant and serves no point
>the same thing with the opposite agenda, but this is untrue
and then you literally say how youre the polar opposites on the same questions
> I believe we are somewhat justified in believing this as whites
they do to and that doesnt make them correct
>"Horseshoe Theory" (a load of bullshit, more like) I get mad.
oh you got mad? oh no, please dont even try to elaborate on whats wrong with it
> I'm sick of Centrists masturbating over their own sense of superiority.
its not centrists, its everyone whos not extreme right or extreme left
>>79400031
/pol/ is not alt-right. Never was, never be.
The only difference between the alt-right and the left is they are anti-islam and immigrant. They're enabling, but not yet promoting degeneracy like gay rights.
In fact, the "alt-right" is the work of the jews. It's /pol/ made into a "normized" ideology or political movement.
It's impressive how easily they achieved this with a handful of youtubers, a political puppet (Trump), and the fear of terror.
Kill yourself, shill.
