Readings:
1 Corinthians 12:27-13:8
Matthew 10:1, 5-8
>Life of Sts Cosmas and Damian
https://oca.org/saints/lives/2011/07/01/101859-holy-wonderworking-unmercenary-physicians-cosmas-and-damian-at-r
>Russian law proposes banning protestant evangelism
http://www.christianitytoday.com/gleanings/2016/june/no-evangelizing-outside-of-church-russia-proposes.html
>EP Bartholomew letter to Pope Francis
https://zenit.org/articles/ecumenical-patriarch-bartholomews-letter-to-pope-francis-on-feast-of-sts-peter-and-paul/
>Anglo-Orthodox thoughts on Nationalism
https://heavyangloorthodox.blogspot.com/2016/06/more-thoughts-on-orthodoxy-and.html
>Jews disrupt Greek Orthodox Pentecost prayer
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.726345
Thought of the day: "Never confuse the person formed in the image of God, with the evil that is in him: because evil is but a chance misfortune, an illness, a devilish reverie. But the very essence of a person is the image of God, and this remains in him despite every disfigurement." -- St John of Kronstadt
>>79411607
>At the height of the ceremony, a small group from the Greek Orthodox, led by the bishop, came down the stairs and entered the Tomb of King David, escorted by the police. The Jewish protestors grew more frenzied. "The Jewish people lives forever!" King David lives forever!" one screamed. "May the name of your so-called God be blotted out forever," cursed another. "Nazi," someone screamed at the police.
>Seemingly oblivious to the crowd, the Greek Orthodox worshipers stayed in the Tomb only a few moments then went back up the stairs.
>A man dressed in ultra-Orthodox garb, who would only give his name as "Tzvi from Jerusalem," stood by with tears in his eyes.
>"It hurts me that they are letting these goyyim (non-Jews) come here," he said. "It hurts me that these evil men, who have oppressed the Jews throughout history, are being allowed to contaminate our holy sites. And it hurts me even more that the police, led by our Jewish government, are allowing them to do so."
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.726345
bump
Moving slowly with my summer time daily bible readings. Currently on Matthew 26
>>79413467
Such a sad chapter. This scene really gets me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKPCLQNurL0
>>79411230
Greek Orthodox here, I always get cozy when i see byzantine style religious paintings
>>79411230
Christos Rex.
>>79414121
Crap, not 26, meant 16. Now I feel kinda silly. Well, if I am able to sort out all of the chores I need to do today, I should have enough time to get to Matthew 26.
Mentally ill general?
>>79414195
Antiochian Orthodox here
Sup fami
Anyone else listen to Transforming Our Lives in Christ on Ancient Faith Radio? It's really good.
>>79414902
I'll have to check it out, I mostly just listen to old Fr. Thomas Hopko podcasts before he died. Something about his way of speaking was just so damn comfy.
>>79414195
Lutheran, Missouri Synod, here. I can appreciate the artwork of various Christians of the various regions. I do love the Byzantine-style used, but I cannot really put into words exactly how I feel.
"thou shalt not kill"
ahahhahhahahhahhahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahahahahhahahh
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fuckin cristcuck hypocrites
>>79415340
Murder, actually. The word for murder is used, even in Greek and Hebrew, not kill.
>>79415340
Ecclesiastes 3:1-8
To everything there is a season,
A time for every purpose under heaven:
A time to be born,
And a time to die;
A time to plant,
And a time to pluck what is planted;
A time to kill,
And a time to heal;
A time to break down,
And a time to build up;
A time to weep,
And a time to laugh;
A time to mourn,
And a time to dance;
A time to cast away stones,
And a time to gather stones;
A time to embrace,
And a time to refrain from embracing;
A time to gain,
And a time to lose;
A time to keep,
And a time to throw away;
A time to tear,
And a time to sew;
A time to keep silence,
And a time to speak;
A time to love,
And a time to hate;
A time of war,
And a time of peace.
>>79415340
>le Butthurt Atheist Bolshevic scum
Kill yourself you filthy animal. You secularists are the propagator of the left-wing.
What do my fellow christians think about alcohol?
I have a drinking problem which has been haunting me for years. Can anyone relate?
“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
“As the heavens are higher than the earth,
so are my ways higher than your ways
and my thoughts than your thoughts.
As the rain and the snow
come down from heaven,
and do not return to it
without watering the earth
and making it bud and flourish,
so that it yields seed for the sower and bread for the eater,
so is my word that goes out from my mouth:
It will not return to me empty,
but will accomplish what I desire
and achieve the purpose for which I sent it.
Isaiah 55
>>79416462
Nothing wrong with it as long as it's not in excess. We Orthodox like to drink and be merry, especially on feast days.Some monasteries even brew their own beer. And unlike some protestants it says in our canons that the wine used in communion has to be alcoholic, it can't just be grape juice. Legend has it when the Prince of Kiev was choosing between Orthodoxy and Islam he ruled out Islam because they prohibit alcohol and pork.
>>79416462
Drunkards dont go to heaven, i used to have a problem with a lot of substances , now i dont even drink coffee anymore.
>>79416462
Go to an A A meeting
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
>>79416462
There is always Alcoholics Anonymous, if you really are scared that you are being lead astray.
In terms of what the Bible notes, excessive drinking is what is sinful, not 1 beer or a glass of wine a night after a day of work, or having a brew with the bros while grilling.
>>79416894
Protestant here. I know, at least in the parishes I went to, alcohol-free wine is only offered as some of the congregation are alcoholics and it is given to them out of respect to abstain in alcohol. Though, I do know some will not off alcohol-free wine, but provide blessings instead
>>79416462
Jesus drank wine
Jesus didn't get drunk and make a fool of himself
>>79412491
Went on this site out of curiosity, what's it's story?
>>79414740
My man, church of st. Nicholas my dude you?
>>79417528
We put the wine and bread together in the chalice and take a small spoon and scoop out some bread that is soaked in wine. So it's really not that much wine at all, I don't think it's a problem for many people. We wouldn't make that concession for people, if someone wants non-alcoholic then they are placing themselves outside of communion with the rest of the Church body and therefore probably shouldn't receive it at all until they get over themselves.
>>79418232
Understandable. Wine soaked in the bread though, that's a bit new. Most people will do in the parishes I went would be dunking the wafer in the wine
>>79418140
DTTW is an Orthodox counter culture magazine started by Monks in California meant to appeal to young punk rockers.
http://deathtotheworld.com/about/
>>79418587
New to you, ancient to us. This video shows how it's done.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4roxMbLQFdY
Can you guys prove God exists without relying on philosophy?
>>79419070
Can you prove God doesn't exist?
>>79411230
God bless you brother
>>79419070
Can you prove you exist without relying on philosophy? I've never really understood how anyone could possibly expect God to be proven real by the scientific method. Do you expect to find God under a microscope? In a Petri dish? Maybe you'll find a great bearded man if you build a big enough telescope? I just don't get it. Science is limited in that respect.
That being said, my belief in God isn't limited to philosophy. I do believe I've felt the Holy Spirit, but these are subjective experiences. I can't prove them to you, that's why they're subjective. Orthodox Christians believe that through pray we may achieve theosis, or deification. “God became man so that men might become gods" - St. Athanasius
2 Peter 1:3 as His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue, 4 by which have been given to us exceedingly great and precious promises, that through these you may be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
But unless you open your heart to the Lord you're going to have a hard time finding this out for yourself.
Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:
8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.
this is a really comfy song lads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLT8i3zfCZY
>>79420415
Warm my heart that there are still people who genuinely believe in God out there. May God keep you safe my friend
>>79419800
Evidence of Absence is fallacious argument to make.
Stop doing it.
>>79420901
God cannot definitively be proven or disproved. And especially not through the scientific method
So stop asking for scientific evidence for God, because it is absurd
>>79420415
>Can you prove you exist without relying on philosophy?
Yes.
>Do you expect to find God under a microscope?
Scientists do a lot more than look at things under a microscope or analyze bacteria samples in a petri dish.
I don't expect anything from anything or anyone, i can only know what i know. I don't see a lot of room for God, it's just reality.
>>79421166
>God cannot definitively be proven or disproved.
This is also true for anything that isn't actually real.
And i would agree, if someone asked for evidence of a fairy, it would be an absurd request because there is none to be found.
>>79421191
>I can only know what i know.
You could know more than what you know you ignorant bloody fool
Prove to me that you are not just a figment of my imagination without using philosophy
>>79421419
>You could know more than what you know you ignorant bloody fool
I study everyday, i know more everyday, but it's not possible to know more than you know in the moment.
>Prove to me that you are not just a figment of my imagination without using philosophy
There is primary and secondary evidence, this post is secondary evidence.
I also can verify things i know, i have and am. None of this requires philosophy. I am a walking mass of evidence, literally.
>>79421337
>>>God cannot definitively be proven or disproved.
>This is also true for anything that isn't actually real.
Prove it. Now. Prove this now
>And i would agree, if someone asked for evidence of a fairy, it would be an absurd request because there is none to be found.
Why don't fairies exist? Because most people find it absurd that they would?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ridicule
You are the same kind of person who would have instantly laughed off the idea of the Earth being round
Reconsider your life
>>79419070
The philosophy shows that God's existence is a perfectly intelligible and even expected outcome given the fundamental nature of cause and effect. There are however still many other reasons for believing, like the witness of the apostles, prophecy in scripture, some of which is quite specific:
http://www.reasons.org/articles/was-jesus-arrival-accurately-predicted-in-the-bible
and even some scientific findings, like the fine tuning of the universe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EE76nwimuT0
There are so many other reasons though.
Taken together and in light of our natural longing for meaning, love and beauty, God's existence makes the most sense.
>>79421584
>but it's not possible to know more than you know in the moment.
It's possible to find out more. To learn more and to come to know more
What evidence do you have to show me that you exist and are not just an illusion? Assuming we were standing face to face
>>79421679
>Prove it. Now. Prove this now
God, Fairies, Magic, Narnia, Harry Potter, Santa Clause, Excalibur.
All of these things cannot be proven or disproven, this is evidence.
Proofs only exist in mathematics.
>Why don't fairies exist? Because most people find it absurd that they would?
That isn't what i said my friend, i said asking for evidence of a fairy is absurd, not that people would find it amusing.
>You are the same kind of person who would have instantly laughed off the idea of the Earth being round
Nice confirmation bias.
>Reconsider your life
This is projection. You shouldn't be hostile about this, it's reflective of ignorance on your part.
>>79421765
>The philosophy
stopped reading, re-read my question.
>>79421856
>It's possible to find out more. To learn more and to come to know more
That's what i said.
>What evidence do you have to show me that you exist and are not just an illusion? Assuming we were standing face to face
myself. my DNA, anything...take your pick.
>>79421337
but fairy je axiom of truf
>>79421419
>You could know more than what you know you ignorant bloody fool
Like completely submitting to the power of suggestion(>>79420415 I do believe I've felt the Holy Spirit) and be gullible about Jewish superstition
>>79421584
But the Bible is evidence, first it says that god is real and that Jesus is his prophet and that it is also the literal word of gawd.
>>79421765
Philosophers also say that there are more than 2 genders and that manspreading is a conspiracy orchestrated by the patriarchy to rape women
>>79419070
>can you guys prove God without using these academic fields that have evidence
The fuck is wrong with you.
>>79411230
Orthodox>C*tholic>Pr*t*stent desu.
>>79422125
Relying on philosophy alone to answer questions is pretty nonsensical.
>>79421954
>God, Fairies, Magic, Narnia, Harry Potter, Santa Clause, Excalibur.
>All of these things cannot be proven or disproved,
>this is evidence for they not being actually real
Absence of Evidence is NEVER evidence of absence
>Proofs only exist in mathematics.
You don't actually believe that do you? You called yourself "a walking mass of evidence"
You are not mathematics. You are a supposedly purely physical being
You are an empirist as well by this measure
>That isn't what i said my friend, i said asking for evidence of a fairy is absurd, not that people would find it amusing.
It would likewise be absurd to presume that its absence of evidence is in ANY logical ("mathematically demonstrable") sense, an evidence of absence
>>You are the same kind of person who would have instantly laughed off the idea of the Earth being round
>Nice confirmation bias.
Believe me that you would. You are already flawlessly conforming to today's contemporary Western ideologies (specifically positivism and verificationalism)
Questions to Orthodox. Why Eastern Orthodox Church remain so irrelevant? They didn't make any progress in christianization of other nations since 1054. It's not only about colonies, in countries like for example Korea, catholicism was spread by missioners. Do Icons in Eastern Orthodox Church are only symbols or something more than that?
>>79422102
>but fairy je axiom of truf
hehe
>But the Bible is evidence, first it says that god is real and that Jesus is his prophet and that it is also the literal word of gawd.
It's aggravating, i ask for evidence and it's almost always "cause bible" which is circular nonsense. It's hopeless, I'm not even denying God, i just am using my head here and he doesn't fit where they want him to fit.
If there is a God he IS physics...he IS the natural...which seems equally nonsensical.
>>79415340
proper translation is murder paddy scum
>>79422058
How is "yourself" and "my DNA" evidence of you being real instead of an illusion?
>>79422674
Ottomans, then iron curtain, uniates, etc.
>>79422463
And considering the tools and instruments we have today are still to small in scope to be able to disprove the existence of God.
Do fairies exist? Within our own world, this looks to be a no. Given the vastness of the universe, the chances are extremely possible, but we have advanced science enough within our own perspective to be able to say otherwise.
So trying to test what cannot be tested is not performing science.
>>79422463
Completely dismissing it is just as non-sensical
>>79422125
I thought you've gone tripm8. Thanks for sticking around and bringing Christ into the lives of /pol/acks
>>79422463
>relying on theorems is nonsensical
It's not nonsensical at all. Things like metaphysics and empiricism cover two somewhat topics and work together, not over one another. If a topic plays more into one field more than the one then discussion will focus on that one field. In this case, empiricism could assist metaphysics. but its not in a place currently where it can. We're still trying to wrap our heads around the quantum space. The current dislocation of terms of bullshit you see tossed around over it is example enough of that. It's doing incredible work but it hasn't been able to say anything conclusively to prove or disprove the old-age proofs. They still just stand.
>>79422627
>Absence of Evidence is NEVER evidence of absence
see picture.
>You don't actually believe that do you? You called yourself "a walking mass of evidence"
I am
>You are not mathematics. You are a supposedly purely physical being
I never made either claim, but i agree.
>You are an empirist as well by this measure
hmmm...
>It would likewise be absurd to presume that its absence of evidence is in ANY logical ("mathematically demonstrable") sense, an evidence of absence
see pic
>Believe me that you would. You are already flawlessly conforming to today's contemporary Western ideologies (specifically positivism and verificationalism)
Confirmation bias nonsense.
I have a pretty good idea of what you "probably are" as well, but I'm mature.
>>79422752
I can't help you.
How do you know God isn't an illusion?
*shrug*
>>79423151
cheer up dad, think of past glories!
>>79423037
Do you even understand what a confirmation bias is?
>>79422002
Your question doesn't make any sense "How do you prove the existence of a supernatural Being using *only" materialist findings?" Well, you can't by definition, but the fact that we are even having this conversation still amounts to strong evidence since something cannot come from nothing and yet here we are.
>>79422847
>And considering the tools and instruments we have today are still to small in scope to be able to disprove the existence of God.
An assumption
>Do fairies exist? Within our own world, this looks to be a no. Given the vastness of the universe, the chances are extremely possible, but we have advanced science enough within our own perspective to be able to say otherwise.
Irrelevant.
>So trying to test what cannot be tested is not performing science.
Not disagreeing.
>>79422879
I don't dismiss it, relying on it to answer questions is nonsensical.
This thread needs some Theotokos
>>79423200
>It's not nonsensical at all.
re-read what i said, i said relying on philosophy alone.
Metaphysics is nonsense, not going to bother with that. Mental gymnastics with no scientific foundations.
>>79411230
Greetings Orthodox brother
>>79414740
Same here. Diocese of Toledo.
>>79423319
You can't, that's all i need you to say.
My question makes perfect sense, you just refuse to answer it. That's all. Admit defeat and we can go about our merry ways.
>>79423205
How many times do I have to explain this?
THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS NOT AN EPISTEMOLOGICAL (knowledge-finding) TOOL. IT IS MERELY A COURTESY CONVENTION
>>79411230
The Pope recently expressed that the Church needs to apologize for "blessing weapons" in the past.
Is he talking about the crusades? Does he think crusaders are in Hell and the Church was wrong for endorsing them?
>>79423601
>THE BURDEN OF PROOF IS NOT AN EPISTEMOLOGICAL (knowledge-finding) TOOL. IT IS MERELY A COURTESY CONVENTION
It's the fact that you need to prove something exists before you try and tell me to disprove it.
Logic 101.
Proofs only exist in mathematics, stop saying that.
>>79423352
That's called dismissing it moron because you don't want to use any of it ever, for any reason
>>79423405
>>79423435
>>79423479
Nice
>>79423607
Current Pope really seems bent of neutering Catholicism, which even I as a Lutheran find utterly gross.
>>79423607
Probably, that's what happens with marxist liberation theology, hell he says non Christians can get into heaven and it clealy states that there is ONLY salvation through Christ in the Bible
>>79423716
It's a deflection, i said answer my question without philosophy, you've been as of yet unable to do so.
>>79423747
Number 2's my favorite
>>79423709
>It's the fact that you need to prove something exists before you try and tell me to disprove it.
What the fuck makes this a "fact", or a "need"?
>Proofs only exist in mathematics, stop saying that.
So our senses are proof of nothing then. Jolly good then
>>79423811
so he has to answer a question within a set of arbitrary boundries you set?
>>79423811
>answer my question without philosophy
Why?
>>79423939
Literally pic related
>>79423881
>What the fuck makes this a "fact", or a "need"?
Logic is the basis for courtrooms and intellectual discussions.
You have the burden of proof not me, i trust logic in this one, it's much more than a courtesy convention. Otherwise, people could be accused of literally anything and they would have to disprove the claim no matter how loaded it was, logic assists you in generating consistent results which is why i will follow it and not your emotional charge.
>So our senses are proof of nothing then. Jolly good then
You need to learn the difference between evidence and proof.
>>79424095
there ya go, thats the one I wanted
>>79423939
I asked the question. I asked not to use philosophy and take a naturalist approach, if you can't do that then it is illogical to attempt to answer my question.
>>79423868
Agreed there with you.
>>79424095
Not really arbitrary, i don't have time to talk about philosophy today, would rather you just admitted there is no evidence of God existing.
>>79424036
You don't have to. That's enough for me.
>>79423561
Wichita here
>>79423151
Thanks, man. And congrats on BREXIT. I hope Article 50 is done soon. Hopefully while Obama is there.
>>79423477
>re-read what i said, i said relying on philosophy alone.
Yes, and I responded to precisely that.
To call metaphysics nonsense is incredibly stupid of you man. All science IS DONE in a metaphysical framework. You can't dismiss metaphysics and praise science as you can't help but do science but with metaphysics.
Just googled the definition of the field:
>the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, substance, cause, identity, time, and space.
Anon, good luck to you trying to do research scientifically without relying on the field that explains the nature of all its core concepts.
>>79411230
Fuck me muvah mate, innit shitpost?
>>79424506
>All science IS DONE in a metaphysical framework.
Nooo..
there is faith in the axioms, within science you have faith that physics will work the same way every day, we study it to understand it better, and these axioms change with new knowledge.
This is true, science does require hope that axioms are axioms.
>Anon, good luck to you trying to do research scientifically without relying on the field that explains the nature of all its core concepts.
If abstract philosophy is all you have then it's pretty much irrelevant and not real.
>>79424112
>Logic is the basis for courtrooms and intellectual discussions.
And I'm telling you how to use logic. Don't think the burden of proof can be used to dismiss concepts as non-sense, false, or what they represent as non-existent
It's in no way an epistemological (knowledge-finding) tool
>Otherwise, people could be accused of literally anything and they would have to disprove the claim no matter how loaded it was,
One thing is courtrooms. And another is epistemology (the investigation of knowledge)
>logic assists you in generating consistent results which is why i will follow it and not your emotional charge.
Logic by itself never yields consistent results. Not when you get into the details
And with science it undergoes frequent fundamental shifts in its explanations, despite its data consistency (cf. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradigm_shift#Natural_sciences)
>You need to learn the difference between evidence and proof.
There is no difference
>>79424451
But why would you want me to though?
>>79424095
you're doing it too, you simply can't leave the realm of semantics
>>79424299
He has proven the existence of God, he said that he exists, you need to stop being so narrow-minded, switch to an alkaline diet and try to decalcify your pineal gland and active all your charkras and become the beacon of the cosmic truth that our Lord has bestowed upon us.
>>79424772
dude metaphysics is literally the most important science, well 5th, right behind philosophy, sociology, women's studies and African studies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c3AVj66ahg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChxvN4WjxWg
>>79424299
>would rather you just admitted there is no evidence of God existing.
This is a Christian thread, if that's what you want and believe, why did you click this thread?
Did you expect Christians are going to confirm your position? Might as well leave and go bang your head on a wall, save us the trouble. Plus i'm assuming your a fedora, if so why do you care what we believe?
>>79424855
>And I'm telling you how to use logic.
You really don't know how to use logic at all, and so your telling on how logic works has no credibility.
>One thing is courtrooms. And another is epistemology (the investigation of knowledge)
Correct.
>Logic by itself never yields consistent results. Not when you get into the details
Yes, it does, if it does not then the basis was faulty, such as a lie.
>And with science it undergoes frequent fundamental shifts in its explanations, despite its data consistency
Of course.
>There is no difference
Trust me, there is anon, don't make a fool of yourself.
>>79424926
I don't care if you do or do not.
>>79425030
yeah, go back to /pol/ and be edgy there
Can we stop these threads from devolving into a generic, worthless Theist vs. Atheist Argument #205125 for once? Literally none of the arguments presented here are new, on either side.
The internet is full of enough this shit.
>>79424222
>I asked not to use philosophy and take a naturalist approach
Why do you believe in naturalism?
>>79425244
When reddit stops raiding, it will stop.
>>79425026
>you need to stop being so narrow-minded
You're right, i don't do enough drugs, i have to free my mind.
>dude metaphysics is literally the most important science, well 5th, right behind philosophy, sociology, women's studies and African studies.
lmao.
>>79424772
>Nooo..
Again, Metaphysics is defined as:
>the branch of philosophy that deals with the first principles of things, including abstract concepts such as being, knowing, substance, cause, identity, time, and space.
Good luck telling us about the mechanics of the universe without a definition and understanding of the nature of cause or space. Discussion of axioms doesn't matter at all and the core axioms of metaphysics systems are tested all the goddamn time. You haven't argued against anything I said. Your reject is tantamount to denial.
>>79425030
My guess is to just shit post. Notice the anon never really defends his position, and just keeps going on the offensive, and when called out, he just moves around it and continues to force us to make an argument within his own bias and boundaries.
>>79425244
Yeah, pretty sure every thread this week has been nothing but a fedora throwing the exact same talking points, making the exact same question dodging comments, and just does nothing but flood it with the usual drivel.
>>79425079
Then let me ask you instead >>79425277
>>79425030
Nothing wrong with me confronting your beliefs, you should be secure enough in what you believe to not be upset by skepticism.
>>79425244
Agreed, time for Church Architecture!
>>79425244
This. That's why there are links in the OP.
>>79425400
>confronting your beliefs
your not, your just shitting up the thread, that's what annoys me.
>>79425362
>Good luck telling us about the mechanics of the universe without a definition and understanding of the nature of cause or space.
You have a fundamental lack of understanding of quantum physics.
>Discussion of axioms doesn't matter at all and the core axioms of metaphysics systems are tested all the goddamn time.
axioms are extremely important.
>You haven't argued against anything I said.
Irrelevant.
>Your reject is tantamount to denial.
Not rejecting anything you state.
>>79424506
Cheers mate. 2 Thessalonians 3:16
>>79425373
>making the exact same question dodging comments, and just does nothing but flood it with the usual drivel.
Asking for evidence is dodging and drivel?
Huh, well that's very ignorant of you.
>>79425377
Because it provides reliable and true results that are verifiable and help me and everyone understand better how the universe works.
>>79425560
I'm not, all you had to do was admit there is no evidence. I'm now here defending accusations. The state of this thread is the inherent state of Christianity at all times.
>>79425719
>using the bible as evidence
I'm sorry.
>>79423435
>>79424299
God exists cuck. Get used to it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ie9musGEqQ
>>79425054
>Yes, it does, if it does not then the basis was faulty, such as a lie
The only place where logic is consistent is syllogisms
>>There is no difference
>Trust me, there is anon, don't make a fool of yourself.
It's just semantical. No actual difference. They are both (/attempts at) justifications
>>79426023
Sure he does, that YouTube is a massive strawman. Anyone who understands legit origin theories would see why it's nonsense.
>>79425672
>You have a fundamental lack of understanding of quantum physics.
Now try explaining quantum physics without saying or implying anything about cause or space. You can reject cause and effect all you want, I'd say you have an armchair understanding of quantum physics, but to do so means that you need to have an understanding of what cause and effect even is. This is metaphysics.
>You haven't argued against anything I said.
>Irrelevant.
How the fuck do you plan on denying an argument in discourse if the sheet idea of arguing against it is irrelevant to you?
I'm done.
>>79425947
Evidence isn't disregarded just because you don't like it. The Bible (and the NT in particular) has been proven to be very reliable and accurate. The burden is on you to show why it wouldn't be.
>>79426133
>The only place where logic is consistent is syllogisms
False
>It's just semantical. No actual difference. They are both (/attempts at) justifications
There is a difference.
>>79425903
If I put a skull streaming myrrh in front of you or a bleeding crucifix or gave eyewitness testimonies of people in Chicago who've seen Saint George appear in a church in Chicago would you believe? I doubt it.
>>79424299
>would rather you just admitted there is no evidence of God existing.
No scientific evidence, as of yet
>Not really arbitrary
Pretty arbitrary to have chosen to believe in naturalism. It has no validity
I am amused that /pol/ has a degeneracy and Christian thread going on at the same time
/pol/ is truly the most human of all places on the net
Flag the ID to ignore, it's very much the same talking points we've seen all week each and every day in each and every thread.
>>79426281
>False
Other examples?
>There is a difference.
State it
>>79426190
then explain it if you understand it so well.
>>79426190
>literally quotes Lawrence Krauss with audio
>strawman
>Anyone who understands legit origin theories would see why it's nonsense
Argument from absurdity; not an argument. Try making a rebuttal against the scientific evidence presented.
>>79426219
>Now try explaining quantum physics without saying or implying anything about cause or space.
I don't get paid to teach.
>You can reject cause and effect all you want, I'd say you have an armchair understanding of quantum physics,
I'm not rejecting it, you can believe that if you want to, if you think attributing weakness to me helps your arguments then you need to learn how to argue better.
>but to do so means that you need to have an understanding of what cause and effect even is. This is metaphysics.
No, it's not, metaphysics is the question of origination. cause and effect is causality. Don't delude the two together.
>How the fuck do you plan on denying an argument in discourse if the sheet idea of arguing against it is irrelevant to you?
What argument have you made?
>I'm done.
You haven't made sense at all, i didn't know you started anything. Congratulations for being offended.
>>79426315
That's the thing they start the discussion presupposing naturalism and then demand supernatural evidence only
>>79425947
>>79425719
I was just wishing him some good thoughts you autistic fuck
>>79426265
I don't disregard evidence.
Evidence towards a scientific finding and evidence which is argumentation and pointing to a hypothesis are two different things.
I acknowledge there are hypothesis that God exists, i reject that alone is evidence he exists. The Bible, as a historical document towards major findings is somewhat reliable. Saying that also proved the existence of God is a false equivalence.
>>79415805
>A time to weep
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4ga_M5Zdn4
Kyrie eleison
I am happy there are no Calvinists ITT-Hiroshimoot
>>79426315
If i placed a magician in front of you would you believe everything he did was real?
>>79425470
I love that style of church architecture.
>>79426344
>No scientific evidence, as of yet
Okay.
>Pretty arbitrary to have chosen to believe in naturalism. It has no validity
Philosophy is arbitrary to this discussion and it deludes what is important without providing answers. It asks the logical questions, it doesn't answer them.
>>79425400
fuck you m8, this is a circlejerk for fat, virgin, crusader larpers, jelous that Abdul is getting all that white cunny
kebab removal when guize?DEUS VULT
Fedora is too mainstream and bluepill, time to replace it with prayer beads.
>>79425560
here is obligatory random bible quote.sentence how i pray for yous /pol/aks.a link about the vatican, question what pol thinks.Hey guys what do you about about Millerite1.Hey guyze what do you think about Church 6546521.Mormons, based or not?, well at least they make lotsa white babies.Dude Catholicucks LMAO.Guise, da fuq is happening with me, i can't contain my assburgers and have to spout muh red pill memes to my liberal college colleagues like the sperg i am, is this too much redpill(obligatory reply: welcome to relaity NEO DUS VOLT, you go girl dont the let curtular marxist put u down)PROTESHITS HAHAHA
Many of the People of the Scripture wish they could turn you back to disbelief after you have believed, out of envy from themselves [even] after the truth has become clear to them. So pardon and overlook until Allah delivers His command. Indeed, Allah is over all things competent.Praise Jesus
But hey I'm thinking of converting to Orthodoxy cause they seem to be based, what do you think of the Armenian Church, its the only one in town.
these thread are terrible, it's always the same and it's always shit.
>>79426457
>Other examples?
I'm not your teacher. Google.com is one tab away from studying logic.
>State it
There is no need, Proofs only exist in mathematics, if you do not believe this I'm sorry. I don't feel like you were ready for this debate.
>>79426899
>i reject that alone is evidence he exists
That's fine, but you were also rejecting evidence provided by >>79426023
The Bible alone does not prove the existence of God and I don't think anyone claims so in the first place, especially me.
>>79426559
You literally wouldn't understand it and it's irrelevant.
>>79426575
>Argument from absurdity; not an argument. Try making a rebuttal against the scientific evidence presented.
I don't have to, i have studied the topic, believe whatever you want, this is enough for me to know how bogus Christian intellectualism is, I'm sorry.
>>79427031
Armenians have nice churches, but I'm an onion dome guy myself
>>79427031
I live right next to a basilica. It is quite a pretty building, and pretty nice inside.
The church I go to is pretty modest, but given it's a more conservative protestant church, it's a bit expected. It is having some work done on it, so I hope it looks nicer once it is done.
There is a nice looking Presbyterian church nearby as well, modeled in a more gothic style
>>79426853
>insulting me
Not a Christian thing to do.
Doesn't your religion also praise tolerance?
>>79427326
>I don't have to
Naturalism, everybody.
>this is enough for me to know how bogus Christian intellectualism is
Except you haven't actually said why, so you're full of it.
>>79426984
Non-equivalency jackass
>>79427081
>Okay.
You do know how Science works right?
Protip: Not verificationism. It can never find truth, it can only try and falsify
>Philosophy is arbitrary to this discussion and it deludes what is important
What is important anon? Tell me
Science only? You favourite Discovery Channel episodes?
>without providing answers
It absolutely does provide answers. A multitude of them
>>79427415
>I am nothing but hostile to your beliefs but now let me tell you your beliefs because your defending yourselves
>>79427184
I'm not just rejecting that video, i'm saying it's about as much nonsense as Zeitgeist. I'm not interested and i know that is probably aggravating and you would like that to confirm things but if you understood the reality of the situation or Quantum Mechanics and the prevailing theories today you'd know also. Seeing how you do not, i do not see the point in trying to education as it would be entirely too complex and it would take far to long and i doubt a majority of this thread even has the language.
>>79427485
It's not equivalent, but you should find the irony in the question.
>>79427239
lol. no you don't understand it. the video goes into detail about how materialist origin theories are bunk. Everything in existence is sustained by consciousnesses.
>>79427554
>You do know how Science works right?
mmhmm
>What is important anon? Tell me
That's subjective.
>It absolutely does provide answers. A multitude of them
Not the type I'm looking for. Sorry.
>>79427415
THERE IS NO TOLERANCE FOR SIN
>you can always repent doe
>>79427588
I'm not hostile towards Christianity, i find Christianity is hostile towards others.
This is because you are a religion of conquer, not passive.
Ignorance is also hostile by nature.
>>79427732
Sure. Take care.
I apologize that is what you believe. congratulations on your fulfillment of knowing.
Hey Christians of /pol/:
I want to buy a crucifix pendant to ward off evil but after looking around I found the one I liked was attached to a string of rosary beads. Will I be cursed again if I cut off the beads and replace them with a simple silver chain?
>>79427910
lol
>>79427950
Just bc God exists doesn't mean Christianity was right all along or whatever christ cucks like to claim.
>>79428029
>congratulations on your fulfillment of knowing
no u
>>79427816
>That's subjective.
So you'd have no right to tell me that me finding meaning in raping and murdering a child is wrong
>Not the type [of answers] I'm looking for. Sorry.
Con-fir-ma-tion Bi-ass
>>79424299
we are radical chrstians (aka orthodox) here yankie, leave this thread delusional atheist may Lord salvage your soul.
>>79428031
no, the beads are for tracking prayer so sans them won't hurt
>>79427659
The theory is backed by scientific evidence, which you're trying to pass off as some conspiracy theory.
>I'm not interested and i know that is probably aggravating and you would like that to confirm things but if you understood the reality of the situation or Quantum Mechanics and the prevailing theories today you'd know also.
You mean the prevailing theory of information instead of space/time, how reality doesn't exist independent of our observation. and how materialism is dead? The reality of the situation is the evidence supports it, you're free to walk the other direction though.
>Seeing how you do not, i do not see the point in trying to education as it would be entirely too complex and it would take far to long and i doubt a majority of this thread even has the language
Ad hom, refusing to answer scientific evidence yet still dismiss it. Enjoy the intellectual shallows, buddy.
Right Wing politics are concerned with the long-term survival of Civilization
Christianity is only concerned with personal salvation to become part of a nebulous afterlife for which no evidence exists, and for which this world needs to be sacrificed, which is best expressed in the way early christians like Martin of Tours refused to fight enemies of their nations, insofar killing in this world could cost them heaven
When Jesus says "if they take your coat, let them have your shirt as well", "do not resist evil", "I have come to turn a man against his own household", "if you don't hate your self and your own family you can't follow me", "love your enemies, pray for your persecutors", "the meek will inherit the Earth", "those that wanna die will live", "blessed are those the persecuted, for they will be my Kingdom", "do not save treasures for tomorrow", "carry your cross so that you can receive eternal reward", "Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor, and you'll have treasure in heaven", "it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye than for the rich to enter Heaven", "Woe to you who are well fed, Woe to you who laugh, for you will mourn and weep" he is not kidding, or meaning the opposite, but actually setting down a morality where the world is a lie and only the afterlife is the real deal, so destroying your life in this world, "carrying your cross" as he says, is completely logical
/pol/ "christians" seem to believe Jesus actually meant the OPPOSITE of all that, and that Jesus wants you to defend your family, that Jesus wants you to kill your enemies, to become prosperous, well-fed and rich in this world, and to avoid persecution and death!
Only a person that does not actually believe in the Heaven bullshit and in eternal rewards for dying a martyr would actually re-interpret Christianity as a cult of earthly power which declares "the strong shall inherit the Earth" and "you must destroy the enemies of your nation"
>>79411230
Those are cool shoes, фaм
>>79422674
>They didn't make any progress in christianization of other nations since 1054.
Can't speak for all but russian orthodox basically don't have missionary tradition. Noone even bothered to convert pagans of Siberia. Basic idea is "save yourself and thousands will be saved around you", just be a chrisitan example for people and they'll probably convert too. Many tribes really did.
>Do Icons in Eastern Orthodox Church are only symbols or something more than that?
People really start to weasel when asked that. Something more I guess.
>>79428191
>So you'd have no right to tell me that me finding meaning in raping and murdering a child is wrong
Law dictates what is right and wrong. Morality is subjective.
>Con-fir-ma-tion Bi-ass
That's not what confirmation bias is.
>>79428191
>So you'd have no right to tell me that me finding meaning in raping and murdering a child is wrong
its wrong bc it hurts ppl.
>>79428031
Thinking simple material objects hold some kind of mystic power is idolatry anon. Rosary beads are just a tool for prayer, nothing more, you won't be "cursed" for even throwing it into a fire.
>>79428217
Thanks. I hope he can too.
>>79428270
nice cherry picking
>>79428239
>The theory is backed by scientific evidence, which you're trying to pass off as some conspiracy theory.
That's exactly what it is.
>You mean the prevailing theory of information instead of space/time, how reality doesn't exist independent of our observation. and how materialism is dead? The reality of the situation is the evidence supports it, you're free to walk the other direction though.
Not the prevailing theory.
>Ad hom, refusing to answer scientific evidence yet still dismiss it. Enjoy the intellectual shallows, buddy.
It's not ad hominem, it's the reality of it.
Congratulations
>>79428270
Yeah, okay. We all believe what you make us out too. That was easy.
>>79428323
>That's not what confirmation bias is.
>Uhhh Duhh I'm only looking for CERTAIN answers answers anon, please don't bother me with yours
ok
>Law dictates what is right and wrong. Morality is subjective.
And whence cometh the law?
Cometh not through oughts and shoulds?
>>79428323
>Morality is subjective.
what's your evidence for this claim?
>>79428684
You stopped making sense.
>>79428701
Morality depends on your perception.
To one person murder might be a good thing, to another bad.
That's why we have laws, which your religion also institutes. Man came together and figured out what benefits everyone and not just one.
>>79428734
I was asking where do you think the law ultimately comes from m9..
>>79428481
>scientific evidence is a conspiracy theory
You finally said it.
>Not the prevailing theory.
The Quantum world saw to it that it is.
>It's not ad hominem, it's the reality of it.
You haven't supported a single claim of yours ITT with any evidence. You aren't right because you say so. How old are you?
>>79428856
Hard question for any historian to answer. It goes back at least as far as Babylon, probably much much farther back than that.
>>79428819
>what benefits everyone
So... the collective (greater)... GOOD?
HOLY SHIT STOP THE PRESSES
>>79428031
the rosary prayer is the meditations on the gospel, and not to be worn as a neckalce. If you want to ward of spirits pray the rosary, go eat communion and never loose the state of grace
>>79428270
i imagine something is lost in translating to english and the fact that the bible was manipulated by the roman church to passify ppl and reorientate a socially crumbling society but point well made.
>>79414427
Never rush through the Olivet Discourse.
>>79429006
Yeah but where does it gain its legitimacy doe?
>>79428309
Protestantism is a mental virus desu
>>79428981
>You finally said it.
False
>The Quantum world saw to it that it is.
False, there are many people who claim to understand quantum physics who do not. It's not something i wish to debate about, it's an unfortunate situation.
>You haven't supported a single claim of yours ITT with any evidence. You aren't right because you say so. How old are you?
Science is a laborious and difficult thing for someone with no basis in it and only theory and philosophy background to understand correctly. I do not doubt your intelligence, i doubt your preparation outside of wikipedia.
>>79416462
>Two great European narcotics, alcohol and Christianity.
>>79429020
Are you going to say what is good is god?
well okay then. I suppose. i'll keep just saying good.
>>79429080
Society.
>>79428819
>Morality depends on your perception.
>To one person murder might be a good thing, to another bad.
you've mistaken moral ontology with ethical epistemology. this happens when people conflate how we know something, with the objectivity of the thing being known.
all truths depend on minds to be known and articulated. if you were to be consistent with this view, then all truths dependent on minds would be subjective as well.
that would be everything we think to be true, not just ethical propositions, but scientific propositions, mathematic propositions, etc.
>>79428324
Why is hurting ppl wrng?
>>79429296
How do you get society to agree with the same morality?
>>79428701
your the one giving morality meaning. even if you agree to an 'objective morality' it has to come through your subjective consciousness for it to have any meaning.
No one is convincing anyone in these arguments of semantics/opinions
Let's just recognize how beautiful Christian art/architecture is.
>>79416462
Figure out why you get drunk, and solve the real problem.
Christianity is not a religion that bans alcohol; Islam is.
Jesus drank, gave men drink, made wine, and promised wine in heaven.
He did say, however, not to get drunk, not to be drunk, and not to be a drunk. If you find you cannot enjoy in moderation, abstain.
Either way Jesus is not going to love you any more, or any less, than He already does. You can find all of the Love, Acceptance, Meaning and Purpose you need in Him.
(And being drunk in the Spirit has no hangovers)
>>79429307
Few things are objective anon, but to blast a hole so big in reality that you could fit God makes it so literally anything imaginable or deity will fit too. It would be dishonest to shoehorn in God and not everything else as well.
I have faith in mankind's ability to find answers, from my perspective that is the only thing i can possibly have faith in.
>>79429489
Repugnant.
>>79429421
Far too circumstantial to answer.
In what context?
>>79429543
Your faith in mankind is misplaced.
>>79429521
Do I get the aids if i get creampied by the holy spirit?
>>79429609
Just save us all some time and realize that without God, there is no objective basis for morality. "Society" has both people not murdering each other, and murdering each other, and both say it is good.
>>79429670
As is your faith in your friends.
>>79429730
>t. Zero
>>79429609
ALL CONTEXTS
>>79429803
kek
Same image was in my head when I posted it. Nevertheless, having faith in mankind is willful ignorance of the 20th century, and hopeless optimism about the 21st.
>>79429769
>Just save us all some time and realize that without God, there is no objective basis for morality.
False
>"Society" has both people not murdering each other, and murdering each other, and both say it is good.
And they have been following that relatively well all the way back into prehistory. Even animals tend to be this way in most cases.
>>79429427
it's the same with any other truth.
take the moon for example:
it's out there, and it exists regardless of what people's opinion of it are, some could think it's made out of cheese, but what these people think has no bearing at all whatsoever on its existence.
>>79429543
batshit insane non-sequitur, i think you replied to the wrong post, had literally nothing to do with what i was saying
>>79429842
Not answerable.
>>79429317
bc you are causing suffering. its not morally wrong in that sense. (morality implies there is a higher authority which creates right and wrong which i don't think God does) Its just a shitty thing to do. More of an emotional thing but right and wrong are necessarily emotional. Purely logical beings wouldn't have right and wrong just what furthers interest.
>>79429730
Ahh Serbia (or Kosovo), never stop being crazy.
>>79429199
>False
You called a source that cites scientific data that supports and idealistic worldview a conspiracy theory. How can you do so without criticizing the data and not be intellectually dishonest?
>there are many people who claim to understand quantum physics who do not.
Like individuals like you who come to this thread.
>It's not something i wish to debate about, it's an unfortunate situation.
I guess nobody like having their worldview shattered, especially naturalists.
>Science is a laborious and difficult thing for someone with no basis in it and only theory and philosophy background to understand correctly.
Buddy, you're the one making unsourced claims, not me. I think I understand that key rule of science better than you at the very least.
>I do not doubt your intelligence, i doubt your preparation outside of wikipedia.
Great assumption of opposing research, but again, it's a miss. You can't go all day making distractions away from your behavior like this. You need to explain yourself.
>>79429894
If you say so.
Transhumanism is the next thing. Christianity isn't important like it was back before we understood the universe very well.
>>79430002
>You called a source that cites scientific data that supports and idealistic worldview a conspiracy theory.
No thanks.
>Like individuals like you who come to this thread.
Congratulations.
>I guess nobody like having their worldview shattered, especially naturalists.
Assumptions
>Buddy, you're the one making unsourced claims, not me.
Neh.
>Great assumption of opposing research, but again, it's a miss. You can't go all day making distractions away from your behavior like this. You need to explain yourself.
Congratulations on your argument.
>>79428481
whoa full on denial mode. You ok buddy? Did we break you?
>>79428270
>/pol/ "christians" seem to believe Jesus actually meant the OPPOSITE of all that, and that Jesus wants you to defend your family
John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
>>79429904
>>"Society" has both people not murdering each other, and murdering each other, and both say it is good.
>And they have been following that relatively well all the way back into prehistory. Even animals tend to be this way in most cases.
BUT OUGHT YOU NOT YOU REDUCE THE FREQUENCY OF THE LATTER AND INCREASE THE FREQUENCY OF THE FORMER???
How do you do it?
>>79429937
'Oy ye of little faith'
>>79430190
Denial is assuming God exists with no evidence other than superficial and "supernatual" evidence. Your arguments don't hold up, have never held up, still dont hold up.
I'm not very energetic today.
>>79430049
If transhumanism robs you of what we perceive to be human nature then I agree with you.
>>79429938
>More of an emotional thing but right and wrong are necessarily emotional. Purely logical beings wouldn't have right and wrong just what furthers interest.
What if I feel the incessant urge to fucking kill you? Why shan't my emotion TRUMP YOURS
If it's all emotion, all I have to do is feel it more intensely than the sum-total of my victims' agony and pain
Unless you're trying to say some emotions are more valuable than others. Now why in God's name would you do that?
>>79430471
It will.
>>79430176
I knew something was up, but I should've stopped sooner.I blame Poe's Law.
>>79429914
>it's out there, and it exists regardless of what people's opinion of it are, some could think it's made out of cheese, but what these people think has no bearing at all whatsoever on its existence.
except quantum physics tells us objects don't exist as we traditionally understand it until observed. Our minds are literally creating reality. Doesnt get more subjective than that. see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4C5pq7W5yRM
>>79430632
>Poe's Law
If you want my disinterest to validate you, i'm fine with that today, i can explain physics to you until i'm blue in the face, you've already told me you know what it is and what the answers are.
Where does that leave room for me to tell you otherwise?
>>79429914
>batshit insane non-sequitur, i think you replied to the wrong post, had literally nothing to do with what i was saying
can't just *TOSS* things out because you don't understand it anon.
>>79430376
Why don't you try reading the Sermon on the Mount (Matthew 5-7) and see if you feel like there is any truth to be found in the teaching of Jesus Christ. That's the first step.
>>79430819
Come on senpai, you already have the satisfaction of tricking me that long, don't rub it in my face.
>>79431021
>Read the bible
I'm reading Hyperion atm, but thank you, science fiction interests me more than fantasy these days.
>>79430557
>Unless you're trying to say some emotions are more valuable than others.
no thats foolish. Hey if might makes right for you than go for it. Its your truth. Just know it only works for you if your the top dog and then only briefly. You'll never really know peace.
When someone starts quoting pop atheists like Mr Starwaman and disingenuous misrepresentation of an argument Lawrence Krauss you know you are arguing with a pseudo intellectual YouTube atheist.
>>79431062
I'm not tricking you. You want me to explain Quantum Physics to you, an unreasonable request to make, i did the intelligent thing to ignore it instead. It takes years of work, time and money, to even begin to get it.
>>79431218
Thank you.
>>79431180
>Hey if might makes right for you than go for it. Its your truth.
It's the truth. And there can be nothing more mighty than GOD
>just know it only works for you if your the top dog and then only briefly. You'll never really know peace.
The mightiest Being in existence is telling us to care for each other, I have no reason to be a dog to anyone
Maybe only a sheepdog to my flock. See >>79430191
>>79430376
Denial is denying God despite all the evidence that it exists. I can tell by the end of your life your gonna be pissin yourself m8. Naturalism/materialism is dead. It has been for a while.
If there is a God, he is the axiom, the things we take for granted and we are just studying him. In which case, god is real and trying to attribute supernatural to him is blasphemous because he is a natural component.
>>79431154
Then don't waste our time in Christian threads if you're not at all interested.
>>79431454
>The mightiest Being in existence
>Jesus the Prophet
fucking heretic
la ilaha illa allh
>>79431579
>Denial is denying God despite all the evidence that it exists.
there is no evidence, just hypothesis.
>I can tell by the end of your life your gonna be pissin yourself m8.
I've had a death experience, I'm not afraid of it anymore "m8" it's not a very scary thing. Finding peace with death can be done without expecting an afterlife.
>Naturalism/materialism is dead. It has been for a while.
*rolls eyes*
>>79431154
This comment is fedora as fuck, kill yourself faggot.
>>79431740
I'm not interested in dogma diatribe.
>>79431824
>la ilaha illa allh
muḥammadur -rasūlu-llāh!!!
OH SHIT... I mean fuck off Kosovan heretic
>>79431454
God doesn't operate with might makes right. If it did free will wouldn't exist. Christians fundamentally misunderstand what God is. They think its some sort of sky king with human emotions. Its the conscious force which sustains and is everything. Not the 'ruler' of reality. Why would you need to rule over and dominate yourself? lol.
>>79431274
>You want me to explain Quantum Physics to you
No I don't. I never once asked this. That has nothing to do with what I've been telling you.
>i did the intelligent thing to ignore it instead
You ignored a theory supported by our current understanding of Quantum Mechanics with experimental data to back it and falsifications of all attempted excuses and workarounds. You literally dismissed sourced evidence from top researchers in the field like Don Page and even Quantum gravity researchers as a conspiracy theory. Do I have to spoonfeed you?
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1961ZPh...
http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v47/...
http://philoscience.unibe.ch/document...
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvMx1...
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1...
http://arxiv.org/abs/0704.2529
http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/n...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nttB3...
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/9903047
http://www.bottomlayer.com/bottom/kim...
http://arxiv.org/abs/1106.4481
http://www.newscientist.com/article/d...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiNJRh...
http://arxiv.org/abs/1206.6578
http://www.nature.com/news/2007/07041...
http://arxiv.org/abs/1207.5294
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/201...
http://meetings.aps.org/Meeting/MAR07...
http://www.nature.com/nnano/journal/v...
http://www.livescience.com/19268-quan...
http://arxiv.org/abs/0909.1469
http://www.nature.com/news/2011/05041...
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/200...
http://www.nature.com/news/2010/10031...
http://arxiv.org/pdf/0801.0337
What is a virus? What makes it specifically a virus as opposed to a microorganism? For one thing, a virus cannot reproduce by itself. Microorganisms like amoebas, protozoa, and the cells in your body can do that on their own.
A virus is just a container for its own genetic material which injects it into microorganisms. Viral DNA or RNA simply consists of instructions which compel the infected cell to make more viruses, in order to infect yet more cells.
Viruses do not have to be biological! Everybody's heard of computer viruses. They are very small, simple programs which, if simply left sitting in storage media like a flash drive or CD, would be inert and powerless.
Like a biological virus, they cannot reproduce themselves, they need a host to do that. Computers in this case. The virus is simply instructions for a computer which compel it to make more viruses in order to infect more computers.
Some have more of a purpose than that. There are types which commandeer large numbers of computers to serve the interests of the guy who programmed it, such as bitcoin mining or sending out mass spam emails. This is called a botnet.
There are some which bring up fraudulent messages that look like legitimate system warnings, asking you to buy software from the company responsible for making that virus in order to fix a nonexistent issue. This is known as scareware.
Now, viruses can be biological and they can be software. In either case, if you boil it down to basics, it's just *information* designed to compel some sort of host to propagate it to more hosts, spreading faster than it can be removed.
So it should come as no surprise that there can exist viruses designed to do this to the human brain, consisting of information written down, recorded as audio or in some other format comprehensible to us.
One example is a chain letter. It includes a strong but unverifiable incentive if you send it to 5 friends, like *"your crush will confess to you tomorrow"*. Of course that doesn't happen but because it's conditional on you sending it to five people, by the time you find that out, the author of the chain email has already gotten what he wanted from you; for you to spread it.
There's also an unverifiable punishment if you don't spread it which works the same way. Something like *"If you don't send this to five people, a headless ghost girl will visit you in your bed tonight"*. By the time you discover that was a load of BS, you've sent the mail on to five more people.
There is often some sort of imminent time limit, like *"send it within 24 hours"* or *"five minutes from when you see this"*, and the reward is conditional upon sending it within that period. This is to add urgency and prevent you from thinking too carefully about what the email is and what it's designed to do.
Then, there are often testimonials from people it has purportedly worked for. *"I sent it to five of my friends, now I'm married to my crush!!"* This is to create the appearance that it works and diminish your doubts.
Pyramid schemes aren't identical to this but share a great many of the same motivational methods. The unverifiable promise of future riches if you stick with the program and recruit as many friends and family into it as you can.
The testimonials from members who are either within the small percentage who actually did profit (and are being misrepresented as typical) or were coached to misrepresent how much success they had.
