> http://archive.is/gF5iU
> Brexit is a turning point in the history of western democracy. Never before has such a drastic decision been taken through so primitive a procedure – a one-round referendum based on a simple majority. Never before has the fate of a country – of an entire continent, in fact – been changed by the single swing of such a blunt axe, wielded by disenchanted and poorly informed citizens.
> Referendums and elections are both arcane instruments of public deliberation. If we refuse to update our democratic technology, we may find the system is beyond repair; 2016 already risks becoming the worst year for democracy since 1933. We may find, even after the folly of Brexit, that Donald Trump wins the American presidency later this year. But this may have less to do with Trump himself, or the oddities of the American political system, than with a dangerous road that all western democracies have taken: reducing democracy to voting.
I want to get off this ride.
> Isn’t it bizarre that voting, our highest civic duty, boils down to an individual action performed in the silence of the voting booth? Is this really the place where we turn individual gut feelings into shared priorities? Is it really where the common good and the long term are best served?
> The words “election” and “democracy” have become synonymous. We have convinced ourselves that the only way to choose a representative is through the ballot box.
> Electoral fundamentalism is an unshakeable belief in the idea that democracy is inconceivable without elections and elections are a necessary and fundamental precondition when speaking of democracy. Electoral fundamentalists refuse to regard elections as a means of taking part in democracy, seeing them instead as an end in themselves, as a doctrine with an intrinsic, inalienable value.
>democracy is outdated
That's literally a fascist motto
> This collective hysteria has made election fever permanent and has serious consequences for the workings of democracy. Efficiency suffers under the electoral calculus, legitimacy under the continual need to distinguish oneself, while time and again, the electoral system ensures that the long term and the common interest lose out to the short term and party interests. Elections were once invented to make democracy possible, but in these circumstances they seem to be a hindrance.
> What kind of democracy is appropriate to an era of fast, decentralised communication? How should the government deal with all those articulate citizens who stand shouting from the sidelines?
> But a much better way to let the people speak than through a referendum is to return to the central principle of Athenian democracy: drafting by lot, or sortition as it is presently called. In ancient Athens, the large majority of public functions were assigned by lot. Renaissance states such as Venice and Florence worked on the same basis and experienced centuries of political stability. With sortition, you do not ask everyone to vote on an issue few people really understand, but you draft a random sample of the population and make sure they come to the grips with the subject matter in order to take a sensible decision. A cross-section of society that is informed can act more coherently than an entire society that is uninformed.
>the will of the people when their team wins, calling democracy a broken system when they lose
progs gonna prog
> By talking to a diverse cross-section of Irish society, politicians could get further than they could have by just talking to each other. By exchanging views with elected officials, citizens could give much more relevant input than they could have in an election or a referendum.
> What if this procedure had been applied in the UK last week? What if a random sample of citizens had a chance to learn from experts, listen to proposals, talk to each other and engage with politicians? What if a mixed group of elected and drafted citizens had thought the matter through? What if the rest of society could have had a chance to follow and contribute to their deliberations? What if the proposal this group would have come up with had been subjected to public scrutiny? Do we think a similarly reckless decision would have been taken?
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>>79232584
>democracy only works when we get what we want
at least they're being honest for once
>>79232584
Vote didn't go my way == Voting is bad
> The arguments put forward against sortition are often identical to the reasons once put forward for not allowing peasants, workers or women to vote. Then, too, opponents claimed it would mark the end of democracy. Do we think Brexit might still have been possible if citizens had been truly invited to express their grievances and search for solutions together with those they had voted for?
> If David Cameron had opted for the genuine participation of citizens, he would have obtained a much clearer view of what people really wanted, a powerful list of shared priorities, an agenda for further negotiations, and created much less distrust between the masses and the ruling class. On top of that, he would have gained global admiration for daring to tackle a complex challenge by an innovative process that values people’s voices instead of counting their votes. He could have set a new standard for democracy, rather than serving as its gravedigger.
>A bloo-bloo democracy doesn't work the way we want it to work. How come those racist holocaust denying goy- I mean people DISAGREE with our progrssive ideals?
its only a matter of time before this thinking becomes mainstream
fascist left will win unless we purge the marxists from education
>>79232584
Wow, you guys are fucked.
Condolences.
>Tfw you've wanted a facist dictatorship for years
>tfw the people you wanted to purge are making their own in real time before your eyes
Where did it all go so wrong?
>>79232726
Again. The saltiest of johns right now. You left something to a vote and suddenly the group that won were "uninformed"?
And even if you did do sortition, your millennial ass wouldn't of even shown up to make the decision. All this writer wants is someone they can locate, fill with a bunch of information then send them off to make their decision for them.
>>79232584
>Reybrouck
oh well no surprises this lunatic has been shilling against democracy for years.
>>79232584
>
Thank you, Mr. Goldstein for showing us that demmocratic elections are bad for the ruling elite...err I mean, the goyim.
These people need to get out. I can only imagine how they would implement this lot system with affirmative action quotas and feeding biased information to these selected people.
>>79233590
Europe is gonna make it 3 for 3 aren't they?
Good thing I'm too old to do much more than tend my garden and resent my prostate.
>draft a "random" sample of citizens, but of course make sure that it is sufficiently diverse and multicultural
>"educate" them by subjecting them to turbo propaganda created by the government and various special interest groups
>then let them decide the fate of 65 million people
lmao is this kike for real
>>79232584
>why democracy is bad for democracy
what?
>>79233703
http://www.policy-network.net/pno_detail.aspx?ID=4760
>>79232670
Welcome to Neoliberal capitalism. You had your chance. All you had to do was organize.
Unlike the rest of the those in this thread that probably never read more than paragraph and decided to post anyway, I for one have to agree that sortition is a system that deserves some attention.
Basically you find and draw up an eligible pool of citizens ( no felons, drug addicts etc. ), hold a drawing and from it comes a small group representing a large swathe of a society.
Along with preferably a secondary elected group, they input their voices into the system.
It has a lot of merit, for one it can't be bought, if you don't know who's going to be in charge, how can you pay people off?
>>79232584
It's a sad day when even the Daily Mail seems more intelligent. The Guardian used to be alright, now it's blairite, love-the-smell-of-your-own-farts, shit 'hip' healthy recipes, SJW-tier bullshit
Oh, and everyone who reads it are psuedo-intelluctal idiots who are either 18 and 'progressive' or older than that and clearly think they're young
Agreed. Back to pre-French Revolution times imo.
>>79233105
Or, alternatively, it was just a bad system. As stated in the OP:
>Never before has such a drastic decision been taken through so primitive a procedure – a one-round referendum based on a simple majority
This was a referendum called by a right-wing PM scared of being outflanked to the right. He assumed he could guarantee the result and put Farage back in his box. Unfortunately, Boris the Bold threw his hat into the ring on the other side. A split Leave campaign allowed each partner free to delegate the bits of the argument they found distasteful to the other partner. This was all compounded by an electorate fed up with a lot of things and keen to show them leets wot 4.
Result, a complex decision reduced to monkeys ticking boxes. And I have to ask you, is that any way to fun a fucking ballroom?
>Liberals have hijacked the narrative surrounding the Brexit, immediately turning it into a negative event and pushing the idea people regretted it.
>With the UK gone, the EU can slowly eliminate the individual nation-states.
>Now the practice of Democracy can be separated from the word. The term can now be used to meaning anything.
Ok. I believe in conspiracy theories now.
>>79232584
>>79233590
lol too real
>Why elections are bad for democracy
Couldn't even read the title with a straight face.
>>79233829
And heaven forbid that person vote "the wrong way" they'd be a goddamn social pariah.
>>79233829
They really don't like the anonymity of the voting booth obviously.
Civil war is coming to my country.
I know it.
I just know it.
>>79232584
You dont expect the (((elites))) to go quietly now do you?
They've allready managed to convince 99% of your people that whites are uniquely bad and dissallowed from having racial pride.
Do you think they cant convince you that not having a vote isnt better than actually having a say, and that it's actually undemocratic to have the demos (common people) kratos (rule)
We allready live in opposite-land. Their latest meme was "reportes need to be protected from mean commoners free-speech". People bought that one.
Why wouldnt they buy "Democracy needs protection from the people to be democratic"?
>>79234074
>for one it can't be bought
yeah nah...
the people who draw the lot who is who and once that is known its even easier to manipulate since now you just need to bribe, threaten, brainwash, replace a few people and be "ok".
>>79234074
>if you don't know who's going to be in charge, how can you pay people off?
Umm...you wait until they've been picked, and then you sidle up to them in a parking structure and offer them large wads of cash?
Seriously, I agree that sortition is a worthy system, but it's not well suited to the 21st century.
>>79234074
The problem comes with who gets to decide whos eligible? The poor, the uneducated, even people with criminal records all deserve representation. Like it or not they belong to the same country you do and deserve to have their voices heard.
>>79232584
What kinda tom-fuckery is the Guardian printing now?
>>79234074
Why even bother with elected bodies then? Seriously all this does is dilute the power of the people, which is of course what the neoliberals want.
>>79232924
Im sick an tired of having this nonsense shoved down my throat by these internet ((((((((((journalists))))))))))). This needs to stop. Now.
>>79233829
This is what Germany is creating with the European Soviet Union.
Why do you think the Brits wanted out?
>>79233634
>saltiest of Johns
Who do you main friendo?
Also, good post
>>79234115
>There is no such thing as public opinion. There is only published opinion.
Winston Churchill, drunken tool of the jews.
>>79234291
>make it so you must declare your vote infront of your peers and friends
I wonder who would win every election from now on
>>79234339
>>79234475
I'm sorry, I seem to be behind on my memes. Can someone explain what ((((((this)))))) is all about? Thanks.
>>79234326
But you don't live in america.
The britbongs have never had a civil war, america has.
>>79232584
>The people, through democracy, prevail over the wishes of the establishment
>bad year for democracy
Fucking doublespeak
>leftists unironically calling for an end to democracy when they don't get their way
>>79234351
This. When you control who votes you control the outcome. It'll never be "random" or it will be until someone decides it can be used to tilt an election the way they want.
>>79232584
>democracy is only good when we get what we want
>>79232584
There's nothing the left hates more than democracy.
>>79234678
>The britbongs have never had a civil war
'murican edjoocashun
>>79234074
We should have ONE person responsible, and if he people is dissatisfied he should be killed and replaced.
It worked for thousands of years untill ZOG found the kings too hard to controll and replaced them with democracy.
Read the protocols if you havent allready. It's all there verbatim.
>>79234669
(((is jewish, or run by jews)))
)))is a jew-conscious non-jew(((
>>79232584
Actual fascism? Alright time to convince my neighbors to buy a gun before refugees settle down here.
>>79234669
browser extension that flagged all jews in this manner, social media throw a fit and started to use this to throw it off.
>>79232584
The left sure did a fast 180 after Brexit. They now share more with Hitler than any true liberal
>>79233590
We memed the wrong way. It's too late now!
>>79232726
Athens literally did shitloads of votes by the entire vote of the people on the Plinth. This stupid fucker doesn't know his history.
Only regular day to day functions were delegated to elected representatives, not huge shit like going to war or breaking an alliance.
>>79232584
One of the few things that keeps me going and not having a breakdown is that at least the worldwide forces of globalism are starting to take their masks off.
They're becoming more and more open/brazen.
>>79234863
Thanks
>>79233158
>we let everyone vote and a majority voted how we didn't want
>if only we could have limited it to a "random" small group then we could have been sure they would vote how the people really want
Who the fuck is this kike?
>>79234678
The people vs the government
the people win every time. They don't have enough people to police 350 million people, if the people ever rise they're fucked.
>>79234678
>This is the future working class of my generation
Goddamn you no child left behind
>tfw Brexit causes the regressive left to shill for fascism and totalitarianism
>>79232584
>it's all wrong when it doesn't go my way
Daily reminder: we win either way.
>>79234678
They had two. War of the Roses and the actual English Civil War.
>>79232584
It almost as if the globalist elite don't yet realize that they are basically the Bourbons at the dawn of the France Revolution.
>>79232584
Any day now they're going to come out for slavery.
>>79234818
>What is neoliberalism?
This is not a left or right wing thing.
>>79234818
That's not true. I've only just read a single sentence of yours, and already I hate you more than I hate democracy.
You are, of course, free to interpret that as a measure of my lack of contempt for democracy, or alternatively that I take anonymous internet hatred to irrational extremes.
>>79235088
>88
>>79234678
>The britbongs have never had a civil war
>>79232584
>Democracy is outdated
This is just contrarian bullshit spewing out of the mouth of some hipster who normally writes listicles so that he can feel intellectually superior to the entire western world, which was founded on democracy. Or maybe he really wants dictatorship, who knows.
>I'M MORE POLITICALLY ACTIVE THAN OLD PEOPLE, SO MY VOTE SHOULD COUNT FOR MORE!
But what did the creators of democracy even know, anyway? I mean, they didn't even read huffpo.
>>79234678
>The britbongs have never had a civil war
Jesus dude, you're making the other burgers look bad
>>79234669
It means 4chans (((kike))) detector script is working.
>>79232584
>West: We need to invade countries to give them democracy and applaud their voting to make decisions!
>West: Meh, voting is dumb and doesnt even work
Let's say hypothetically the simple peasants in the UK actually did want out of the EU
By this person's rubric, how would such a thing be achieved?
>>79235204
What are student loans and being unable to find a decent-paying job?
>>79235204
>implying they haven't already done that in America with all their shilling for illegals and work visas
>>79232584
Grauniad cuckdom
>>79235285
Just wait untill Trump wins in a landslide. This is just the beginning of (((their))) kevetching.
>>79234074
Found the progressive liberal facist.
Anything can be bought if you have the right amount of money and any control group can be swayed a certain way when the question/polling data is swayed a certain way. The "education" will undoubtedly be biased to whatever is decided to be "best" for the whole rather than showing actual, unbiased, objective information on both sides without the mudslinging.
What these facists want is the same thing that we see in teh polls: biased data the conforms to a set style of beliefs/voting procedures which produce a result that looks more favorable to the narrative. Remember how the polls were saying Remain was going to win? What happened? Leave won. Why? Because polling data was gathered from biased sources in order to push the undecided a certain direction.
The reason this article even went up is to piss on democracy as a whole and to push for reform because it didn't go their way. If Remain had actually won, this article would have NEVER shown up at all because these biased progressive think that we should all become cucks and not stand up for our rights, beliefs, or freedoms. The UK proved that democracy works even in the face of biased polls, violence, and underhanded tactics.
>>79235186
yeah you have to be blind to not see the similarities. Brussels is basically versailles, the politicans there is the aristocracy and the media is their army.
>>79234678
the brice of freedom D':
>>79234326
Using what? Forks?
"Democracy is a dictatorship of the main democrat" is not a meme anymore
But eurofaggots will stay blind as always
>>79234678
God dammit it dude.
>>79232584
>the single most important factor for a system to be called democracy is bad for democracy
>>79234074
>>79232584
Step 1. Stigmatize Democracy
Step 2. Champion Meritocracy
Step 3. Make education more scarce, shrinking qualified leader
Step 4. Ruling class starts acting like dictators.
Step 5. Lizard people openly walk around without disguises
>>79235268
I think you greatly underestimate just how stupid some of us burgers can be when it comes to world history.
>>79235345
Let's just say, hypothetically, the simple peasants in the UK actually did want to jump off a cliff because their mates did. How would such a thing be achieved?
THE GRAUNIAD MUST FALL
>>79234074
Fucker, when Athens did this IMPORTANT shit went to referendum. ALL citizens voted.
Actually since he brings up Athens, just white free males born in the city. Lets make those the only people able to vote and fuck yeah, I'm on board. You useless numales will never get a say in anything EVER again, because women and immigrants are the only people who agree.
>>79235132
>two
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Anarchy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glorious_Revolution
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobite_risings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barons%27_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Barons%27_War
>>79235484
The power of labor, if organized and united, can easily topple most governmental system.
Read the Federalist Papers. The idea that "too much democracy is a very bad thing" was a strong part of the philosophy that shaped America. It's why we don't do global referendums, why we have the electoral college, why the senate exists, why the house of representatives is not structured like a Parliament, and on and on. A robust structure designed to give a regional cross-section of the feelings of America was what shaped our United States.
Of course, the UK is not the USA, but frankly I think we do "Democracy" better. After all, I think the EU demonstrates why a society formed "from reflection and choice" is desirable to one formed "on accident and force."
>>79232584
>one round referendum
They like having rounds until they get the results they want.
>>79233095
How retarded are these people?
And they realise it now?
Thats how democracy works. You get what most people voted for.
FUKING NORMIES REEEEEEEE
>"How to not be retarded trends in UK."
>>79232584
>>79232653
I don't get it. Are these people TRYING to get themselves guillotined?
>>79232584
>Democracy is bad for democracy
Man, they really hate the tyranny of the majority, don't they? I guess it would've been fine if it had gone their way.
We're racing toward a French styled revolution world wide and these idiots are too blind to see it or the fact that they are going to be the cause of their own end.
>>79235658
Neoliberalism (the founding ideology of the EU and a belief system held by most upper class liberal/conservative elites) is basically just classical liberalism taken to its logical conclusions. Remember that democracy predates liberal thought.
>>79232584
Holy shit the Jews are fucking mad. Never seen so much propaganda.
OY VEY GOYIM
DEMOCRACY IS BAD
ONLY GOOD GOYS CAN VOTE. EVERY ONE ELSE IS AN EVIL NAZI FILLED WITH HATE.
>>79233590
Well the only way we would get a fascist dictatorship to round of em up, would be if they did it themselves first. Everything is turning out nicely actually
>>79235484
>you can't have a civil war because guns are against the law
Bless you Canada. The true north, strong and very law abiding.
>>79235586
So you're saying there should be no possible way for them to ever get out of the EU even if the people wanted it? How fucked up is that?
The founding fathers gave America the tools in the constitution to rewrite our entire system of government if the people wanted. And Brian can't even get out of a trade pact
If this wasn't done through a referendum, the politicians would succumb to the pressure from lobbyists and elites and it would never happen
>>79235730
Surely if we just fake more polls, surely this will swing things in our favour!
Fucking retards. Can't wait till they all hang.
Doesn't even have to be illegal. Willing to bet there are files on every one of the conspiring to commit treason.
>>79234074
>It has a lot of merit, for one it can't be bought, if you don't know who's going to be in charge, how can you pay people off?
>>79235530
Those with enough money to have to free time to always petition them, you dumb ass.
MOST people work too long of hours to get any serious face-time with politicians.
Meanwhile rich people can socialize with them, invite to retreats to gain their ear, and generally just be in their lives more.
Choosing my lot solves nothing.
>>79232584
I am just here waiting that UK gets some SJW dictator.
>>79234834
>>79234975
>>79235051
>>79235132
>>79235250
>>79235268
>>79235467
>>79235514
Thanks for the replies but I count about 8 of them.
Gonna need about 7 more if I plan on meeting the shit post quota.
Britbongs have never had an actual meaningful civil war like america has.
>>79234054
Noam Chomsky is one of the finest useful idiots of the global capitalist elite.
>protecting your borders is fascism, goy
>>79232584
Am I taking crazy pills?
Are these people honestly saying that voting is bad for democracy? What the fuck does that even mean? I want off this ride.
Goddamn
Let's abandon this system that has held up for thousands of years because wahhh
>>79232584
>Why elections are bad for democracy
>having a pure democracy
Don't say we didn't warn you.
>>79232584
I know these ideas are out there but it's fascinating to see the middle class progressive left voicing them.
They want a "benevolent" technocracy lording over us all, they think it will be ok because they identify as the cutlural elite. I doubt the Nomencltura felt any different during the glory days of the soviet union. Charming.
The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one. I'm amazed they get away with portraying themselves as the good guys.
>>79234074
Fuck off retarded
The government could pick people from areas that believe the answer the want
The information they give them in the information stage could be misleading propaganda
>>79232584
Fascists
>>792340
Jesus fucking Christ.
>elections are racist and privileged!
>The elite should simply get to pick representatives, none of this election garbage
These are the same fucking people that directly CAUSED both the referendum happening in the first place AND the majority vote for leave by howling at any criticisms of immigration with wassist wassist wahhhhhhhhhhhhh wahhhhh. Do they have zero fucking self awareness? If you shut down criticism people and their votes will go elsewhere. Why is this so hard a concept for these fucking idiots to understand?
>>79235575
Kek.That made my day anon. Truly a direct descendant of Thomas Paine.
Finally someone understood. This is the revenge of the ancient regime. I'm happy that in the future I can fight for the enlightned oligarchy without have to deal with the "elections result" of the paesants.
>>79232584
>>79232653
>>79232726
>we should let a small unelected population decide how the country is run.
TOTALLY NOT TOTALITARIAN GUYS. TOTALLY NOT. THIS IS DEMOCRACY.
I bet this bitch calls Trump Hitler and acts all fucking smug like she is better than everyone else.
That is one trait that I FUCKING HATE the most in people, people who act like everyone else is below them while they are fucking blind of the truth.
>>79232726
How is it, then, with a process so simple even the dead can vote in any election, that these "intellectual youth", these "articulate citizens" still can't figure out how to vote?
>>79234115
There it is.
![Thefirstmustersmallvc4[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cpT69lx.jpg "Thefirstmustersmallvc4[1].jpg")
>>79235913
I really hope this is bait.
>>79235815
>So you're saying there should be no possible way for them to ever get out of the EU even if the people wanted it?
No. What I'm saying is that in a representative democracy, the responsible approach to a massive populist desire for something inherently dangerous would be to present the case against, clearly and simply. If that failed to convince, then yes, reluctantly the retarded path would have to be taken.
Unfortunately, in this instance, nothing could be further from the truth. Both sides of the argument were riven with political self-interest and presented distorted views of reality to the electorate. That the leave campaign did so most egregiously is pretty much undeniable.
>>79235754
Frankly I don't give a shit about what belief system is held by its governing body, the structure of government should be such that it accommodates any belief system that the people hold at the time (not all governments do, but those that don't are very poor governmental structures). The point is the EU was formed by creating new organisms, procedures, and backroom deals any time an emergency that it was not equipped to handle happened. Sure this happens in America, with new agencies getting formed and new interpretations of the constitution happen, but the very constitution of the EU seems to be one shifting mess. It rushed to try and grow its authority to places it never expected to have to manage and because of this it's a patchwork mess that holds no one accountable and does not circulate well.
>>79235932
Capitalists are going to destroy those anyways. Do you honestly think the neoliberal establishment is going to let the UK get away with this unscathed? The struggle over Brexit has only just begun.
>>79235913
>what is the war of the roses
I really hope this is webm related
>>79234678
I hate it when niggers like you share my flag.
>>79233158
>Having only land owning whites being allowed to vote because they were the only ones who were probably the only group able to read and write was wrong.
>This same argument is being used against allowing a small population that is unelected being able to decide the government.
HAHHA YES, THOSE POOR FUCKING WORKERS AND STUPID PLEBS DON'T KNOW HOW TO VOTE CORRECTLY, WE SHOULD ONLY LET AN UPPER CLASS DECIDE THE FATE OF THEM.
Holy shit I am LIVID right now.
It's a good thing that leftists are authoritarian sore losers. Times like these quickly reveal their true faces.
https://twitter.com/AuerbachKeller/status/747510879151808512
>>79235913
>that damage, you're not controlling it
>>79235186
Bourbons were much more kind and merciful than any globalist
Globalists are Jacobins though it is in question on whether this is the start of The Terror or the downfall of Robespierre
>>79232726
>Select a crosssection of the publuc to vote on issues.
>Rig the selection process so only people with your political views get to vote, or skew the eduction process in favor or you views.
The left are now saying that the people can't be trusted to make decisions for themselves because when they do, they vote against leftist policy.
This is their end game. The communist state, where the party makes all the decisions bolstered by the self appointed "intellectual" class.
I can't wait till this all come crashing down and we can hang these freedom hating traitors from the highest trees.
>>79234678
TRIGGERED
>>79232584
Wow, a leftist who hates the idea that the people want to have a say in who rules them.
Not some random elite in another country they had no choice in choosing, but their own countrymen.
The sheer gall of these commoners.
>>79232584
This shit is all over the media. Even CBC is talking about it.
Democracy doesn't work when the minority population losses.
Someone was arguing with me on facebook that Brexit is bad because the people who lost are upset at the major changes.
I said nothing changed, the economy is fine and the pound stabilized in a day.
Fuck, my brain... I can't think anymore... my brain hurts... my fucking brain is hurting...
Why are people so stupid?
post yfw this backfired, and the west adopts Fascist dictatorships
I'm fucking triggered.
Though it's certainly something to see /pol/ defending democracy and the mainstream media denouncing it. This world is getting crazier by the day.
lets see how can be the greater fascists
they are in for a ride
great time to be around, next 10 years will be the best
>>79236683
>The communist state, where the party makes all the decisions bolstered by the self appointed "intellectual" class.
What is this shit? Capitalism is still going to be king. In a way those changes would be good for everyone since anti-market bullshit would be much harder to promote/.
>The Nazis are gonna win but it's gonna be the multicultural nigger loving Nazis
Jebus this guy
>The critical opinions of an outspoken public are reshaping the world. Whose voice is going to be heard? That’s the key question today. In Europe, before the invention of moveable type, the circle consisted of only a few hundred individuals: abbots, princes and kings decided which texts would be copied and which would not. But the printing press saw to it that thousands of people suddenly gained that same power. The old authority was brought down, and Gutenberg’s invention heralded the shift from the Middle Ages to the Renaissance. But with the arrival of social media, it seems as though everyone suddenly owns a printing press! Or perhaps it’s more like everyone is running a scriptorium. The man on the street is no longer a reader, but an editor-in-chief, and that has resulted in a drastic power shift. Huge, established companies are brought to their knees by the actions of a single, dissatisfied customer. Dictatorships once considered unshakeable lose their grip on the masses, who organize themselves with the use of social media.
This guy is a historian, according to him, the uprisings in the eastern block wouldn't be possible without social media.
>>79232670
>/pol/ isnt fascist
we dont mind fascism when we do it with nationalism (preferably ethno-nationalism)
>>79236807
Brexit made the world go upside down.
>>79236839
sobald der krieg beginnt werden wir die strassen mit antifablut fluten
ich kann es kaum erwarten
>>79235268
>you're making the other burgers look bad
it's okay. we're all use to it. and just because he's on /pol/ I'm certain that he's still more informed than 80% of our population. many americans don't even know that the uk is a country.
>>79235764
Is it jews? just looks like supremely butthurt libcucks to me.
>>79236683
>where the party makes all the decisions bolstered by the self appointed "intellectual" class.
That's bad but then again, so's going to your GP and having him tell you that you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
>>79236807
>/pol/ was the good guys all along
No seriously autistic NEETs who worship Hitler are better people than journalists and world leaders
Be very afraid
>>79234074
And what would stop the president from getting the information on who the lots are being drawn?
Elections are bought right now with lobbyists and advertisements. THIS WOULD ONLY MAKE IT WORSE BECAUSE INSTEAD OF HOPING THAT ENOUGH PEOPLE SEE YOUR AD SPACE ALL YOU GOTTA DO IS GO DOWN THE LIST OF EVERYONE ON THE LOT AND GIVE THEM A SHIT TON OF CASH AND THEN DO WHAT EVER THE FUCK YOU WANT TO.
>Alright new vote for limitless terms for the president, 100% aye 0% nay
>Alright new vote for increasing power of the executive branch, 100% aye 0% nay
>Alright new vote for ratifying the constitution, 99.9% aye .1% nay (they later died in a 'mysterious accident')
>Alright new vote for giving the government the power to execute people for dissenting opinions, 100% aye 0% nay
>>79234380
They think voting anti democratic and want the government to be able to pick the only people who will vote (a small handful, 32 was the number given), and then pump them with propaganda.
> 1933. We may find, even after the folly of Brexit, that Donald Trump
Hitsler
>>79232584
>Look up author
>Born 9/11
I don't trust him.
The arrogance is beyond belief.
They will thumb their nose up at the people to the bitter fucking end.
And the end is coming.
>>79236307
not bait m8
>>79236482
war of the roses wasnt a real revolution. it was just some royal fags trying to gain control and using britbongs as pawns.
>>79236641
>hes still disagreeing with me!
>must be damage control!
cmon I need about 4 more replies
>>79234678
I'm ashamed your American
>>79237116
>many americans don't even know that the uk i̶s̶ was a country
>>79237376
your'e*(gonna get so much shit for this)
>>79232584
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
YOU FUCKING KIKES THINK I DONT HATE EVERY SINGLE TRIPLE NIGGER WHO VOTED LIBERAL LAST YEAR? OF COURSE I FUCKING DO, I WANT THEM TO TAKE A LONG WALK OFF A SHORT CLIFF. BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, A VOTE WAS HELD AND THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE FUCKED US. I'M NOT BLAMING THE SYSTEM THAT ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN, I'M BLAMING THE UNHOLY RETARDS THAT VOTED FOR IT.
ARTICLES LIKE THIS ARE DRIVING ME UP THE GODDAMN WALL FUCK
>>79232584
This translates to nothing more than the globalists crying because they lost.
>>79237319
I see your logic now. On the other hand, the US has never had any real wars. It's just been a bunch of presidents using their subjects as pawns for their own goals.
>>79236760
People are stupid because they have been conditioned to think stupidly. If not for my based grandfather, I might have turned into a tumblr SJW. School and university poisons the mind, because the globalists use them to push their agenda.
Essentially, leftism is a cult, but on a worldwide scale.
>>79236760
>Why are people so stupid?
They've been indoctrinated their whole lives to think a certain way, and to react emotionally when their beliefs are challenged. They're just the useful idiots for the elites, who are the ones now openly threatening to take away every last vestige of freedom and prosperity that we still possess. Scary times.
Liberals love dictatorship, they just don't like the word. They don't like the word because normally dictatorships do not promote faggots.
>In the past five years, the European Union’s official research bureau found that less than 30% of Europeans had faith in their national parliaments and governments – some of the lowest figures in years, and an indication that almost three-quarters of people distrust their countries’ most important political institutions.
Gee golly wiz I wonder if this has something to do with the fucking referendums the national parliaments and governments ignore all the time????????
Turns out if you don't listen to the people they stop trusting you with their future.
WOW WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT
>>79232584
>primitive a procedure
>>79232584
>Instead of elections we should have focus groups who are propagandized before making a decision
Ho Le Fuck
>>79235932
I swear Chomsky is the only non comedian leftists ever cite. I'm sick of seeing "Chomsky refutes..." videos show up in my suggested watch lists and them basically amounting to "rich people make money you see and that's bad".
Why are stay fags throwing such a hiss fit.
I can honestly say leavers would have never cried so hard in their lives.
Election didn't go your way? Move on.
It's really that simple.
>>79237556
We had the civil war m8, people gave it their all on that one more than anything.
It was us against the kikes and we won, the kikes got shafted so hard they killed Lincoln.
Need 3 more replies pls
>>79237126
The point is that "intellectuals" are no longer intelligent, or when they are intelligent they are no longer honest. Orwell observed that there are things so stupid that only an intellectual would believe them, and that is much more true in our time than it was in his.
>>79232584
>The Guardian supports totalitarianism
oh wow im so surprised
>>79232864
they literally spent the entire campaign, millions of pounds of adverts saying the sky was going to fall if they left the EU.
Now its because they didn't give the experts a forum? who's fault is that? they dragged any and all expert they could find in front of a camera and made doomsday predictions. If anything they were wrong, and they are desperate to misdirect.
>>79235963
Don't sully Jefferson's good name with that shit "quote"
https://www.monticello.org/site/jefferson/democracy-nothing-more-mob-rule
>>79234678
Jesus fucking Christ, you are embarrassing us!
>>79237666
It's pretty obvious you have never actually read or even watched any of his stuff. Most liberals dislike him because he is more or less redpilled about a lot of their stupid bullshit.
>>79232584
Athens would like a word with the author
>>79237556
He's completely ignoring the English Civil War which resulted in almost 200,000 deaths (out of a population of 5 million), brought the monarchy to heel, and laid the groundwork for a full Parliamentary takeover during the Glorious Revolution
I used to think that there should be an IQ test or similar to weed out shitskins, but now I'm worried millennials would still pass, while cutting off some of the working class people that helped push brexit.
Thoughts?
The best part about these people is they have their names attached to all these fascist blogs for the Day of the Rope.
>>79232584
>>79232653
>>79232726
>>79232864
>>79233158
Translation?
>People voted against our interests. This can be prevented in the future by abolishing democracy and erecting a totalitarian state state in its place that will be run by the "moral elites" of our society.
>>79237669
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/nigel-farage-wants-second-referendum-7985017
>get your way for years
>lose once
>demand that we end democracy
One day these people will hang
>>79232584
>the vital part of democracy is bad for democracy
In other news, cancer is good for you, blaze it faggot!
>>79233829
>we can't possibly "educate" the the entire populace
>>79237892
The problem with anything like this is the government can skew the test however they like.
>>79237819
>LOL YOU'RE SO STUPID
>proceeds to provide no counter argument whatsoever
fuck off retard.
>>79237566
>>79237570
I bitched and bitched about the Iraq war and how it was illegal. How stupid politicians lied, how they tricked everyone, blah blah blah.
Finally... 15 years later, people get a chance to push back against the corrupt gangs of individuals causing all this shit and breaking our economy, and everyone starts defending them because the few people speaking against them are too outspoken!!
I am at the point now where I am going to start losing friends because of my political position.
I'm not even really a conservative!!
>>79232584
Democracy is not broken. The fact that we've allowed corporations and special interests with secret agendas to poison our elections with false information is the thing we must fix.
It's time we remove corporations from politics and hold the media accountable for lies and disinformation.
>>79237697
This. People who claim to be "intellectual" are usually so far up their own ass they can smell what they had for dinner yesterday. It's dangerous though because you get people like the OP who genuinely believe that the people must be ruled over for their own good.
It's totalitarian and disgusting.
>>79236333
>implying leaving the EU is a bad thing
Good goyim.
In principle their idea is right: democracy has a fundamental flaw, that is, the belief that because a majority of people voted on an issue we should make so for the whole other half of people who voted against.
How do we fix it? That's what the article misses.
We fix it by providing a limited state, so people would never have the power to limit others people freedom.
>>79232726
>>79232726
Athens did that because they couldn't get enough people to vote on their own. Who fact checks this bullshit?
>>79237973
indoctrinating 60 million people is much harder than indoctrinating a few thousand 'sample' people that you get to pick and choose in the first place.
>pick 5000 random london residents
>feed them government approved 'information' for 2 weeks straight
>95% victory for remain! glorious EU defeats backwards dumb nazis in a landslide!
this is literally what they want
>>79234678
What about Scotland?
Or Ireland in the 1900's?
Or Cromwell?
They've had 100 civil wars. At least. It's a United Kingdom because it didn't used to be United.
>>79232584
What universe am I in? Because it seems like the one were everything is shit.
>>79236333
>That the leave campaign did so most egregiously is pretty much undeniable.
You mispelled Remain.
>>79238044
>I am at the point now where I am going to start losing friends because of my political position.
>I'm not even really a conservative!!
I'm a conservative (a real one, not a neo-cohen fake one), and I can tell you that anyone who doesn't want to be your friend because of your political opinions was never really your friend to begin with. Genuine friendship entails personal affection and loyalty.
>>79238064
You've been fooled by a lie
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-07-01/brull---the-boring-truth-about-chomsky/2779086
>>79238195
2063. Most of the other timelines have collapsed though, so there's no going back.
>>79238066
The UK never adopted the Euro, they were never a big part of the EU. The more I watch on what the EU does, they really are useless these days.
There are too many restrictions trading outside the EU, and with Asia and other economies starting to build it, it just makes sense for the UK to expand it's market passed shitty EU.
If digits then UK civil war with globalist NATO forces against the patriotic Briton.
>>79238182
britbong only.
our civil wars are more efficient, we only needed 1 every 200 years.
>>79237892
Common sense test. There
Just fucking kill me already.
I want to get off this ride
>>79238236
I've had to unfriend over a dozen people on Facebook because they fell for lies, then started hurling insults at the people who didn't fall for the lies. That's how tragic their stupidity is.
>>79236482
source?
>>79237669
They aren't used to losing these days. Imagine the butthurt if trump is elected. I promise you there will be calls to revolt published in major news websites.
>>79238000
It's not our fault you're clinically retarded.
Just because we had our civil war before the US existed, it doesn't mean it never happened.
>>79238144
Yea but we live in the real world, so making most people happy is all we can hope for
>>79232584
world has gone to shit. Big whoop
Like we would leave the comfort of oure apartments to change anything.
>desktop legion
>>79237697
>Orwell observed that there are things so stupid that only an intellectual would believe them
And by that he meant that no ordinary man could be ever be foolish?
>>79236333
Leaving the EU isn't going to do anything really. The majority of the existed necessary economic deals will just be renegotiated, no one will devalue the pound, and the UK will start trading more outside of Europe and expand it's borders.
The EU, on the other hand, will lose funding for a useless bureaucracy that restricts it's nations from expanding and the countries will continue to perform poorly and lag behind North America and China.
>>79238571
>Just because we had our civil war before the US existed, it doesn't mean it never happened.
nigger none of those are civil wars.
just rich fags fighting thats it, you've been puppets to the elite for centuries.
jesus but cameron IS a fucking right winger
i mean im anti EU for left leaning reasons, but i was also hoping for bremain for my own personal greedy reasons for myself and my family
>>79238454
"A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him, saying, ‘You are mad; you are not like us.”
(St. Anthony the Great)
>>79238670
>10% of the nation's population died
>just rich fags fighting
>>79235542
Topkek
>>79238126
Well yes, that was what I was implying. If you had a more credible rebuttal than tired memes (of questionable grammatical legitimacy) then I might be interested in explaining the point further.
>>79238626
>UK will...expand it's borders
dude fucking what?
>The EU, on the other hand, will lose funding for a useless bureaucracy
except the whole "UK got more than it gave"
>that restricts it's nations from expanding
?
>>79238218
Funny. Entirely inaccurate, but still funny.
>>79232584
>Why elections are bad for democracy
Enough of this shit.
>>79238679
>cameron IS a fucking right winger
cameron is a right winger as much as blair was a left winger - that means not at all.
this new breed of eurocuck politician is "conservative" or "labour" or "left" or "right" in name only - in truth, they are all globalists who seek to undermine the nation and profit at the expense of the working class white man, by any means necessary.
>>79238454
>I've had to unfriend over a dozen people on Facebook
>the current year
>still using kikebook
>>79237892
Fuck off commie Brexit is awesome. Also those college educated fags are the ones who are pushing for the great cuckening to islam and feminism so good luck getting a good test with an intelligencia like that
>>79232584
so it begins, the fourth reich is here everyone
>>79238679
>cameron IS a fucking right winger
Being in the "conservative" party doesn't make him right wing.
He's still pro immigration and pro "refugee" and just all around shit.
![THUMB[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/M3HS3Pa.jpg "THUMB[1].jpg")
>>79238909
>UK got more than it gave
are you a meme?
>>79232584
>EU is so god tier Orwellian it suggests that democracy is anti democratic.
FTFY
>>79232584
Fuck "sortition".
DIRECT DEMOCRACY NOW!
>>79233590
When you thought fascism was anything other than Marxism under another name.
>>79238962
Just so. Cameron is enthusiastically pro-immigration, pro-"green" energy scams, pro-same sex "marriage", etc. He's only a right-winger from the vantage point of a Communist.
>>79238670
>nigger none of those are civil wars.
you don't know what a civil war is you dump nigger
>A civil war is a war between organized groups within the same state or country,[1] or, less commonly, between two countries created from a formerly united state.
>>79233590
That's the problem with Fascism. You might be the one getting holocausted.
>>79238909
Obviously I mean trade borders, and see graph above.
>>79232584
LOl wtf became of the Guardian. How did they ever carry Snowden's leaks in the first place?
>>79232584
Ahhhhh this is glorious, now the left get to taste the bitter pill of democracy, funny how they don't think democracy is shit when their marxist overlords are elected into power.
>>79238626
>Leaving the EU isn't going to do anything really
Apart from access to the single market. Which we quite like. Oh and passporting to the EU for the City of London, which contributes 24% of our current GDP and is now about to bugger off to Dublin or Paris (if you're interested, potato fags, I hope you get the business).
But then again, perhaps none of that will actually matter, because we'll just negotiate a Norway style deal. So the only thing that will have changed is our inclusion in the decision making process.
>>79238571
Sure, technically you've had civil wars. But I don't think you ever had one on the scale of the US revolutionary war and definitely never on the scale of the US Civil War.
50% of all US war deaths were in the civil war. This includes when you count up the death tolls of all the wars before it, the world wars, vietnam, etc.
>>79232584
People with this opinion need to go fuck themselves, and then watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in0KFyZ3NBY
>>79235629
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_War_of_Independence
>>79232584
>Oh it's the people who voted, the voting process, that's the problem!
>Not the misrepresentation of details, facts and public deception!
Daily Reminder that World Media was telling Britain to Remain. That everything was telling it to be a good dog and stay.
They said no. Somehow the globalists fucked up. They likely rigged the vote and still lost. They didn't plan ahead for widespread flooding. They severely fucked up.
That's why stock panic set in. Because there were very clear set plans on the table, at places such as Bilderberg that did not account for this.
This may have been the first human victory against these scumfucks since 1900.
>>79239286
Leftists only care about the ends. They're ideal world is the pharmaceutical lobby, Monsanto, and etc, deciding all public policy, because they companies employ scientists.
>>79232584
HOLY KIKES BATMAN.
>>79239455
Based Rex. I can't believe he's still allowed on the CBC, to be honest.
>>79238603
No, is just that a fool can be self-aware that he is a fool.
A person that calls themselves an intellectual can never be self-aware enough to call himself stupid.
>>79234074
>1 post by this ID
every time
